From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 1 00:01:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15039; Mon, 1 Jul 96 00:01:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06324; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:00:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 30 Jun 1996 23:57:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06101; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 23:57:55 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06095; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 23:57:53 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15005; Sun, 30 Jun 96 23:57:47 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu id m0uaa7O-0000XMC (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.37); Sun, 30 Jun 96 23:57 EDT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 96 23:57 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: mykle@Vinton.COM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199606300307.UAA22520@eunice.Vinton.COM> (mykle@Vinton.COM) Subject: linux on the thinkpad 760 X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] From: mykle hansen Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:07:57 -0700 (PDT) howdy. i ust got linux up on my thinkpad 760, but the only X configration that I can make work is the standard VGA resolution -- 640x480. the screen is 800x600, and i want to find or invent a workable XF86 Config file to use the full screen under X. has anybody already done this? Does anybody have any general advice on how to make the thinkpad screens interact with the XFree server? all of the standard screen configration stuff has to do with the inner details of cathode ray tubes, and none of it really applies to flat screens ... You need to get the 3.1.2E beta of the server; the released code doesn't support that chipset. I don't have a config file, but there are several others on the list who do. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 1 11:59:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19100; Mon, 1 Jul 96 11:59:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04182; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:57:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:52:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03541; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:52:16 -0400 Received: from allegro.net (mail2.allegro.net [204.253.83.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03534; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:52:14 -0400 Received: from ALLEGRO-Message_Server by allegro.net with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Jul 1996 11:55:58 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 12:45:51 -0400 From: Quinnten Allen To: tp750@cs.utk.edu UNSUB TP750 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 1 14:55:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27911; Mon, 1 Jul 96 14:55:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21809; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:52:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:48:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21010; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:48:17 -0400 Received: from hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.104]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20988; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:48:12 -0400 Received: (from mfukatsu@localhost) by hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.9/ELEE) id LAA21191; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:48:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:48:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Fukatsu To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP755CD, Linux, modem Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I saw someone mention that there were people working on drivers for the Modems for these things, and I was wondering how we can find out how the progress is going. I was also wondering if it would be possible to access the modem by loading the dos drivers into the mwave chip by using dosemu? Has anyone tried this? -Mike -- mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu mfukatsu@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu http://www.elee.calpoly.edu/~mfukatsu/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 1 14:55:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27916; Mon, 1 Jul 96 14:55:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21803; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:52:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:50:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21436; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:50:40 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21417; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:50:36 -0400 Received: from eng.conic.lmco.com ([158.185.125.202]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA13634; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:50:03 -0700 Received: from ENGINEERING/SpoolDir by eng.conic.lmco.com (Mercury 1.21); 1 Jul 96 11:52:34 PDT Received: from SpoolDir by ENGINEERING (Mercury 1.21); 1 Jul 96 11:52:21 PDT From: "Tom Franklin" Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instr. To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:52:20 PDT Subject: Port Replicator w/ 760E? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <7ADC63074EA@eng.conic.lmco.com> I have a port replicator with the PCMCIA slots, and I wonder if anyone knows if this will work with the new PCI 760E machines. THANKs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 1 14:58:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28060; Mon, 1 Jul 96 14:58:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22804; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:57:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:54:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22079; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:54:12 -0400 Received: from allegro.net (mail2.allegro.net [204.253.83.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22046; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:54:05 -0400 Received: from ALLEGRO-Message_Server by allegro.net with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Jul 1996 14:57:52 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 15:50:19 -0400 From: Quinnten Allen To: tp750@cs.utk.edu UNSUB TP70 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 1 20:56:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16469; Mon, 1 Jul 96 20:56:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22631; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:55:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:45:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21611; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:45:31 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21587; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:45:26 -0400 Received: from ssh.fibertron.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uatYE-001BoPC; Mon, 1 Jul 96 18:42 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960702004538.0095bce8@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 18:45:38 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Com port probs on Win95? Has anyone else had com port problems using Win95 on Thinkpads? I can't seem to get my external com port to work, and a couple other folks I know have had the same problem. It appears enabled (ComA) and shows up in Device Manager, but I can't talk to anything that I plug into it, and a light box shows no lights. Ideas? ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 1 21:13:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16999; Mon, 1 Jul 96 21:13:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24032; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:12:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:11:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23917; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:11:32 -0400 Received: from unix.asb.com (root@unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23908; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:11:28 -0400 Received: from sls12.asb.com (sls12.asb.com [165.254.128.22]) by unix.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA29085 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:24:18 -0400 From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Help w IBM pcmcia ethernet card .lan driver Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 01:11:19 GMT Organization: Just me and I'm not organized Message-Id: <31d876ea.7783256@unix.asb.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 I've tried the IBM site but can't find a .lan driver for the IBM Ethernet II card. I understand the Win95 client for Netware uses the same driver. The card works fine as a client under DOS/WIN but I'd like to install a 4.1 server on my thinkpad for class demos. Anybody have any idea 1. where I can find a driver 2. which other standard driver may work (ne2000 doesn't - I tried) TIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 1 22:03:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18387; Mon, 1 Jul 96 22:03:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28568; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:02:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:01:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28399; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:01:03 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28392; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:01:00 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id SAA02114; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199607020159.SAA02114@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: Re: Com port probs on Win95? To: ssh@wwsi.com (Steve Hultquist) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960702004538.0095bce8@[166.93.8.14]> from "Steve Hultquist" at Jul 1, 96 06:45:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Has anyone else had com port problems using Win95 on Thinkpads? I can't seem > to get my external com port to work, and a couple other folks I know have > had the same problem. It appears enabled (ComA) and shows up in Device > Manager, but I can't talk to anything that I plug into it, and a light box > shows no lights. i haven't gotten mine to work yet either. i did find that under the "thinkpad features" tool (which is a control panel of sorts but not one of the official windows95 Control Panel programs) it seems that individual com ports can be turned entirely off, or back on. try that first. i am curious about the BIOS in my thinkpad 760 -- it seems that there are tons of things that can be tweaked, and the thinkpad features program is the only way to see all of them in one spot. is there documentation for this BIOS? how can other operating systems do things like turn on auto-detection of a drive swap, or adjust power management, etc ... i am thinking of Linux in particular. -mykle- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 2 11:44:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22469; Tue, 2 Jul 96 11:44:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09590; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:43:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:37:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08834; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:37:38 -0400 Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08788; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:37:26 -0400 Received: from spoke.execpc.com (spoke.execpc.com [169.207.8.46]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25696 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:37:22 -0500 (CDT) From: kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Also just got our 760ED Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 15:38:58 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <31d9423d.2038156@mailgate.execpc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Since I had bemoaned the long time, it's only fair to report that our 760ED just showed up today. We got this off an order that had been placed April 24, 1996. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: emjay@execpc.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 2 13:15:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26571; Tue, 2 Jul 96 13:15:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18502; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:13:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:10:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18030; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:10:17 -0400 Received: from econ.lsa.umich.edu (supply.econ.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.12.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17999; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:10:08 -0400 Received: from smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu by econ.lsa.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id NAA19914; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shinichi Sakata" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607021709.NAA14731@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Hibernation of TP755CX with OS/2 Hi, About a week ago, I sent a message to this list to ask how to hibernate TP755CX running OS/2. I really appreciate Bob Cowles and Victor Kress's kind helps. The problem has been solved now. My problem was basically due to the limitation of TP755CX's hibernation. Taling with IBM's support staff, I found that the hibernation file must be made on a FAT partition, while I made it on a HPFS partition. So, I made a hibernation file on a FAT partition this morning. Hibernation is now working. Has anybody seen this limitation in any document of TP755CX? Shinichi -- ============================================================================= Shinichi Sakata, Ph.D. The University of Michigan Internet: ssakata@umich.edu Department of Economics Phone: (313) 764-2368 / 2355 240 Lorch Hall, 1220 Fax: (313) 764-2769 611 Tappan Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 ============================================================================= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 2 16:07:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08654; Tue, 2 Jul 96 16:07:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05413; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:04:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:00:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04979; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:00:46 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04966; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:00:41 -0400 Received: (from rickt@localhost) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) id PAA12601 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:00:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Rick Tait Message-Id: <199607022000.PAA12601@psa.pencom.com> Subject: Another internal HD in TP 755 CX??? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:00:29 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Is it possible? If I yank out the battery or floppy drive, can I add another hard-drive. The reason I ask is that I have access to another 540MB HD like my existing internal HD. It'd be real nice to fit that in too. Thanks in advance, /rickt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Tait rickt@psa.pencom.com Unix cowboy, Technofuturist, Cryptoanarchist, Libertarian, Brit hacker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 2 16:46:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12259; Tue, 2 Jul 96 16:46:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09251; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:43:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:42:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08954; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:42:12 -0400 Received: from balder.ssds.com ([204.131.72.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08948; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:42:09 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by balder.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) id OAA05054 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:41:52 -0600 Received: from denver(134.127.16.1) by balder via smap (V1.3) id sma005052; Tue Jul 2 14:41:37 1996 Received: by denver.ssds.com id OAA24750; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:41:36 -0600 (MDT) From: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com (Christopher Liljenstolpe) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Big hard drive q again Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 20:40:20 GMT Sender: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Organization: SSDS, Inc. Reply-To: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Message-Id: <31d988ba.17574524@denver.ssds.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Greetings, I have been pricing large (1.2 and 2.1 GB hard drives for my TP and am getting a little annoyed). I have friends that have gotten 1.2 G HD's for their laptops for $650, and 2.1's for $1100. The best price I have found for a TP755CE is $1100 for a 1.2 and $1400 for a 2.1. Does anybody know of a cheeper source (or a source for just the caddy)? -=Chris -- ( ( | ( Chris Liljenstolpe ) ) (| ), inc. SSDS, Inc; 8400 Normandale Lake Blvd.; Suite 993 business driven Bloomington, MN 55437; technology solutions TEL 612.921.2392 FAX 612.921.2395 Fram Fram Free! PGP Key 1024/E8546BD5 FE 43 BD A6 3C 13 6C DB 89 B3 E4 A1 BF 6D 2A A9 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 2 17:04:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14113; Tue, 2 Jul 96 17:04:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11618; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:01:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:00:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11338; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:00:25 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11324; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:00:21 -0400 Received: from ssh.fibertron.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0ubCW0-001BS4C; Tue, 2 Jul 96 14:57 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960702210036.0099d304@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 15:00:36 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Another internal HD in TP 755 CX??? At 03:00 PM 7/2/96 -0500, Rick Tait wrote: >Is it possible? If I yank out the battery or floppy drive, can I add >another hard-drive. The reason I ask is that I have access to another >540MB HD like my existing internal HD. It'd be real nice to fit that in too. Nope. The 760 was the first that allowed for multiple batteries/hard disks. ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 2 23:40:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04022; Tue, 2 Jul 96 23:40:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10813; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:33:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:26:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10224; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:26:53 -0400 Received: from lotus.com (lotus.com [192.233.136.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10218; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:26:51 -0400 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd2.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA09975; Tue, 2 Jul 96 23:57:58 EDT Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00373; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:19:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9607030319.AA00373@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.03 Beta) id 508828EAE13C77C18525635C00146876; Tue, 2 Jul 96 23:19:00 EDT To: "Shinichi Sakata" Cc: thinkpad From: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus Date: 2 Jul 96 23:43:49 EDT Subject: Re: Hibernation of TP755CX with OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain I've never seen nor experienced the limitation. I've been using solely HPFS and hibernation for some time now with no problems ... -Bill ssakata @ econ.lsa.umich.edu ("Shinichi Sakata") 07-02-96 01:09 PM To: thinkpad @ cs.utk.edu @ INTERNET cc: (bcc: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus) Subject: Hibernation of TP755CX with OS/2 Hi, About a week ago, I sent a message to this list to ask how to hibernate TP755CX running OS/2. I really appreciate Bob Cowles and Victor Kress's kind helps. The problem has been solved now. My problem was basically due to the limitation of TP755CX's hibernation. Taling with IBM's support staff, I found that the hibernation file must be made on a FAT partition, while I made it on a HPFS partition. So, I made a hibernation file on a FAT partition this morning. Hibernation is now working. Has anybody seen this limitation in any document of TP755CX? Shinichi -- ============================================================================= Shinichi Sakata, Ph.D. The University of Michigan Internet: ssakata@umich.edu Department of Economics Phone: (313) 764-2368 / 2355 240 Lorch Hall, 1220 Fax: (313) 764-2769 611 Tappan Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 ============================================================================= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 3 07:56:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23554; Wed, 3 Jul 96 07:56:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17327; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:55:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:51:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17065; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:51:04 -0400 Received: from mail.physics.ox.ac.uk (mail.physics.ox.ac.uk [163.1.244.140]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17058; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:50:58 -0400 Received: from geoff.physics.ox.ac.uk (pc138.physics.ox.ac.uk) by mail.physics.ox.ac.uk with SMTP (Oxford Physics Sendmail for ) id AA09140; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:50:41 +0100 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960703115149.006e9ea4@mail.physics.ox.ac.uk> X-Sender: hogangp@mail.physics.ox.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 12:51:49 +0100 To: "Shinichi Sakata" From: Geoff Hogan Subject: Re: Hibernation of TP755CX with OS/2 Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >My problem was basically due to the limitation of TP755CX's >hibernation. Taling with IBM's support staff, I found that the >hibernation file must be made on a FAT partition, while I made it on a >HPFS partition. So, I made a hibernation file on a FAT partition this >morning. Hibernation is now working. > >Has anybody seen this limitation in any document of TP755CX? Not having an Etherlink III I didn't reply to your original posting, however I too have had problems hibernating (and suspending) with an Ethernet card (ICcard (D-Link DE650 clone)) activated (under OS/2 Warp Connect). The problem in this case was the NDIS driver (as far as I could tell). By having CONFIG.A and CONFIG.B and using the OS/2 Alt-F1 menu to choose, I can have either a LAN activated configuration - lots of LAN drivers, etc, Ethernet activated, but can't use hibernate (not too much of a problem as I'd be on mains anyway) and an "on the road" configuration with no LAN drivers, Ethernet disabled, but hibernate (usually) working fine. And this is on an all HPFS disk. I do occasionally have the machine (TP 755CX) seize up on me when I try and hibernate, even with the Ethernet disabled, but very seldon, and usually its fine and I have no FAT partition. I am therefore surprised to hear IBM tell you that it should be FAT. The ThinkPad Book .INF file doesn't mention this when talking about creating a hibernation file under OS/2, though it does specify not on a compressed drive. Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr G P Hogan Laser Group, Clarendon Laboratory, Tel: +44 1865 272205 Parks Road, Oxford, OX1 3PU Fax: +44 1865 272400 UK Email: g.hogan@physics.ox.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 3 13:54:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12588; Wed, 3 Jul 96 13:54:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17505; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:51:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:47:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17008; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:47:23 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16999; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:47:19 -0400 Received: from ssh.fibertron.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0ubVyo-001BisC; Wed, 3 Jul 96 11:44 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960703174737.006819d0@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 11:47:37 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Com port probs I have had a number of folks e-mail me that they have the same problems, but no one has (apparently) found the solution. When I get back to my light box (next Tuesday), I'll try to do an exhaustive test of all comm ports to see what I can do. If anyone has a solution, please post it and save me that effort! Thanks! ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 3 14:09:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13462; Wed, 3 Jul 96 14:09:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18924; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:06:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:04:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18644; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:04:55 -0400 Received: from nvc.cc.ca.us ([198.94.160.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18637; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:04:47 -0400 Received: by nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.0) id AA18838; Wed, 3 Jul 96 11:04:20 -0700 Received: by marauder.nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.1) id AA00759; Wed, 3 Jul 96 11:02:26 -0700 X-Squishy-Bearz: Puffy, Cozy, Wuzz Wuzz, and Pierre X-Url: http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx From: "Chris Osborn" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:02:24 PDT Reply-To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us To: "Steve Hultquist" Subject: Re: Com port probs Cc: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960703174737.006819d0@[166.93.8.14]> References: <2.2.32.19960703174737.006819d0@[166.93.8.14]> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mynah 0.8ca m68k) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mynah 0.8ca m68k Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=Us-Ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit On Jul. 03 96, 10:47 PDT, "Steve Hultquist" wrote: > I have had a number of folks e-mail me that they have the same > problems, but no one has (apparently) found the solution. When I > get back to my light box (next Tuesday), I'll try to do an exhaustive > test of all comm ports to see what I can do. If anyone has a > solution, please post it and save me that effort! I too have had nothing but problems with the COM ports under Win95. For some reason Win95 tends to ignore the ThinkPad settings and discover COM ports that aren't really there, and assign them all the same IRQ. The only way I've ever been able to get things to work was to delete *all* of Win95's COM port drivers and reboot, going into Easy Setup and doing an initialization, and then letting Win95 re-discover the COM ports again. After I did that, I'd use the ThinkPad tools to enable the port I really wanted, delete all of Win95's COM drivers *again*, reboot, and it seemed to figure out what was really going on. At least I *think* that was what I did. --- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 3 14:21:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14010; Wed, 3 Jul 96 14:21:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20342; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:18:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:16:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20185; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:16:33 -0400 Received: from nvc.cc.ca.us (nvcc.nvc.cc.ca.us [198.94.160.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20179; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:16:29 -0400 Received: by nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.0) id AA18970; Wed, 3 Jul 96 11:16:19 -0700 Received: by marauder.nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.1) id AA00822; Wed, 3 Jul 96 11:15:11 -0700 X-Squishy-Bearz: Puffy, Cozy, Wuzz Wuzz, and Pierre X-Url: http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx From: "Chris Osborn" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:15:10 PDT Reply-To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us To: "Steve Hultquist" Subject: Re: Com port probs Cc: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960703180816.009ca1e4@[166.93.8.14]> References: <2.2.32.19960703180816.009ca1e4@[166.93.8.14]> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mynah 0.8ca m68k) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mynah 0.8ca m68k Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=Us-Ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit On Jul. 03 96, 11:08 PDT, "Steve Hultquist" wrote: > Hmm.... What do you think the initialization did? Usually (as I > understand it) initialization just finalizes a BIOS update... The initialization wipes out any of the settings that you may have put there with the ThinkPad tools. It seemed to be the only way I could be sure that I didn't have any weird settings for the COM ports. The main problem seems to be that Win95 discovers ports that aren't there. Try using the ThinkPad tools and disable *both* the IR and Serial, and delete the Win95 COM drivers. Strangely, Win95 will discover some COM port that isn't there. --- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 3 15:00:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15277; Wed, 3 Jul 96 15:00:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23525; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:58:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:55:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23100; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:55:54 -0400 Received: from econ.lsa.umich.edu (supply.econ.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.12.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23067; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:55:49 -0400 Received: from smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu by econ.lsa.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id OAA01338; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:55:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shinichi Sakata" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607031855.OAA23792@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> To: g.hogan@physics.oxford.ac.uk Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hibernation of TP755CX with OS/2 Hmmm... It sounds that the problem is specific to Etherlink III. The support person just said "Our specialist told me that the problem does not occur if the hibernation file is put on a FAT partition." I am using the latest version of NDIS driver for Etherlink III, by the way. I also found another problem, which may be really a limitation. If I boot my machine in my university office where I use TCP/IP connection, then the machine does not work with IBM PEER connection at home unless I reboot the machine. Similarly, if I boot my machine at home, the machine does not work in my office until I reboot it. I know that I miss something. But I don't know what it is. Shinichi >> My problem was basically due to the limitation of TP755CX's >> hibernation. Taling with IBM's support staff, I found that the >> hibernation file must be made on a FAT partition, while I made >> it on a HPFS partition. So, I made a hibernation file on a FAT >> partition this morning. Hibernation is now working. >> >> Has anybody seen this limitation in any document of TP755CX? Geoff> Not having an Etherlink III I didn't reply to your original Geoff> posting, however I too have had problems hibernating (and Geoff> suspending) with an Ethernet card (ICcard (D-Link DE650 Geoff> clone)) activated (under OS/2 Warp Connect). The problem Geoff> in this case was the NDIS driver (as far as I could tell). Geoff> By having CONFIG.A and CONFIG.B and using the OS/2 Alt-F1 Geoff> menu to choose, I can have either a LAN activated Geoff> configuration - lots of LAN drivers, etc, Ethernet Geoff> activated, but can't use hibernate (not too much of a Geoff> problem as I'd be on mains anyway) and an "on the road" Geoff> configuration with no LAN drivers, Ethernet disabled, but Geoff> hibernate (usually) working fine. Geoff> And this is on an all HPFS disk. I do occasionally have Geoff> the machine (TP 755CX) seize up on me when I try and Geoff> hibernate, even with the Ethernet disabled, but very Geoff> seldon, and usually its fine and I have no FAT partition. Geoff> I am therefore surprised to hear IBM tell you that it Geoff> should be FAT. The ThinkPad Book .INF file doesn't mention Geoff> this when talking about creating a hibernation file under Geoff> OS/2, though it does specify not on a compressed drive. Geoff> Geoff From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 3 16:19:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19496; Wed, 3 Jul 96 16:19:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20894; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:22:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:20:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20500; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:20:07 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20484; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:20:04 -0400 Received: from ssh.fibertron.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0ubWUT-001BkUC; Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:17 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960703182021.009a3c48@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 12:20:21 -0600 To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Com port probs Cc: "ThinkPad List" At 11:15 AM 7/3/96 PDT, Chris Osborn wrote: >The main problem seems to be that Win95 discovers ports that aren't >there. Try using the ThinkPad tools and disable *both* the IR and >Serial, and delete the Win95 COM drivers. Strangely, Win95 will >discover some COM port that isn't there. I've seen this, too, and wondered about it. I've also wondered where "ComB" is! -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 3 16:23:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19542; Wed, 3 Jul 96 16:23:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19343; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:10:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:08:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19076; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:08:10 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19058; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:08:05 -0400 Received: from ssh.fibertron.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0ubWIl-001BjeC; Wed, 3 Jul 96 12:05 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960703180816.009ca1e4@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 12:08:16 -0600 To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Com port probs Cc: "ThinkPad List" At 11:02 AM 7/3/96 PDT, Chris Osborn wrote: >On Jul. 03 96, 10:47 PDT, "Steve Hultquist" wrote: > >> I have had a number of folks e-mail me that they have the same >> problems, but no one has (apparently) found the solution. When I >> get back to my light box (next Tuesday), I'll try to do an exhaustive >> test of all comm ports to see what I can do. If anyone has a >> solution, please post it and save me that effort! > >I too have had nothing but problems with the COM ports under Win95. >For some reason Win95 tends to ignore the ThinkPad settings and >discover COM ports that aren't really there, and assign them all >the same IRQ. > >The only way I've ever been able to get things to work was to delete >*all* of Win95's COM port drivers and reboot, going into Easy Setup >and doing an initialization, and then letting Win95 re-discover >the COM ports again. Hmm.... What do you think the initialization did? Usually (as I understand it) initialization just finalizes a BIOS update... >After I did that, I'd use the ThinkPad tools to enable the port I >really wanted, delete all of Win95's COM drivers *again*, reboot, >and it seemed to figure out what was really going on. Reboot, reboot, reboot.... Welcome to "easy" Windows 95! >At least I *think* that was what I did. OK. Thanks for the insight. I'll let you know what I find! ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 3 16:28:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19789; Wed, 3 Jul 96 16:28:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02058; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:26:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:22:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01506; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:22:52 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01500; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:22:48 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id QAA13123; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:18:22 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA4712; Wed, 03 Jul 96 16:16:59 -0700 Message-Id: <9607032316.AA4712@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 284D4EEF338D96558525635C00687FD0; Wed, 3 Jul 96 16:16:52 EDT To: "Chris Osborn" Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 3 Jul 96 16:14:40 EDT Subject: Re: Com port probs X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain there's a series of steps to take that may fix this for some of you-- after upgrading the bios, go into easy setup & reinitialize. still in easy setup, go into config, choose serial, and set both com ports to 'disabled.' ***you should not make any changes to mwave software settings, com ports, or the infrared port after this point, until you have upgraded the mwave dos, the mwave windows, the dsp, and thinkpad utilities. if you did make changes before upgrading to the 95 versions of the software, start over by reinitializing in easy setup. *** do not reboot during the following steps if win95 asks you to *** once you've run all the thinkpad win95 upgrades, go into thinkpad setup and: 1) disable infrared 2) under serial, enable serial a on com1 & disable serial b 3) under dsp, telephony function, enable the modem on com2 in the device manager, remove all com ports from all configurations. remove the mwave modem from all configurations. shut down, power off & restart. 95 will pick up the ports again when you reboot. one will ask you for a driver-- select 'windows default driver.' device manager should list one as 'mwave communications port,' one as a printer port, and one or two as 'communications port'. if it only lists one as 'communications port,' go into 'add new hardware' & add a standard serial port. then you should have two in device manager: one that has 'com 1' or 'com 2' after it & one with nothing after it. select the one with nothing after it, go into 'properties' & change the driver to ibm 'thinkpad infrared port.' reboot. makes a world of difference. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 3 16:33:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19888; Wed, 3 Jul 96 16:33:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02801; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:31:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:30:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02579; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:30:10 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (root@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02558; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:30:07 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id OAA20740; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:29:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:29:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: thinkpad Subject: Com ports Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am happy to report that the comport and modem work fine when running OS/2 Warp. ;) --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 4 19:50:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00220; Thu, 4 Jul 96 19:50:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25931; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:47:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:35:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25227; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:35:54 -0400 Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25192; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:35:34 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (scooter-ppp-de.NeoSoft.com [206.109.9.222]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA11464; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:35:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:35:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199607042335.SAA11464@mailbox.neosoft.com> X-Sender: dkeyes@popmail.neosoft.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) From: "David R. Keyes" Subject: Re: Also just got our 760ED Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 03:38 PM 7/2/96 GMT, you wrote: >Since I had bemoaned the long time, it's only fair to report that our >760ED just showed up today. We got this off an order that had been >placed April 24, 1996. I am getting my 760ED Monday. It was shipped yesterday by PC's Compleat. I ordered the predecessor model 760CD in the beginning of February, and switched to the 760ED within hours of the announcement, after being assured that I wouldn't lose my waiting priority. I was told in April and May that I was "at the very top" of the list; by early June I was instead 66 out of 217 on the list. By the end of June I was 44 on the list. So this Tuesday, July 2, I asked about the Toshiba Tecra 720n and, although I did not complain, I said I was probably going to cancel my 760ED order because I was tired of waiting. They would have shipped the Tecra this week, since they had an order coming in on the 5th. However, I was thinking of just staying indefinitely with my 750C which by now has 20 meg RAM and an 810 meg hard drive. The next day, July 3, PC's Compleat called (having discussed my call of the previous day among themselves), to say that there had been some mistake, that I should have been higher on the list given my February order date, that they had pulled a 760ED from someone else's order who should have been below my priority on the waiting list, and they were configuring it that day and would ship the next day (July 3). My advice to all of you in this period of waiting for allocations with short supply, irrespective of where you order from, is to check on your priority on the wait list from time to time, and try to make sure you are moving up and not down on the list. I found PC's Compleat to be courteous and responsive to my calls, and I would have no hesitation in dealing with them again. As you know, the short supply is not a problem attributable to any one dealer. David R. Keyes From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 4 20:13:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00419; Thu, 4 Jul 96 20:13:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26879; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:09:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:09:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26795; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:09:16 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26789; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:09:14 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA04650; Thu, 4 Jul 96 20:06:35 EDT Date: Thu, 4 Jul 96 20:06:35 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607050006.AA04650@nile.gnat.com> To: dkeyes@mailbox.neosoft.com, kustner@emjay.com Subject: Re: Also just got our 760ED Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu more on supply of machines. Rockwell Computers on Madison Ave in NYC received 15 760 ED's and 24 Tecra 720's late last week. The 760 ED's were all gone the first day, the Tecras were gone the second day, but they expect more of both soon (they report incidentally that a lot of long time thinkpad users, like me, have switched to the Tecra -- I'm sure pleased with it -- the display is great, and I really appreciate the more standard hardware!) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 4 20:14:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00425; Thu, 4 Jul 96 20:14:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27155; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:11:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:10:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26911; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:10:04 -0400 Received: from hal.com (hal.COM [192.88.244.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26885; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:10:00 -0400 Received: by hal.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA00167; Thu, 4 Jul 96 17:09:58 PDT Received: from bomber.hal.com(148.57.51.36) by hal.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000164; Thu Jul 4 17:09:57 1996 Received: by bomber.hal.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.2) id AA23666; Thu, 4 Jul 96 17:09:56 PDT From: sherred@hal.com (Jonathan Sherred) Message-Id: <9607050009.AA23666@bomber.hal.com> Subject: digest version of this mailing list ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can I get set up to receive a digest version of this mailing list ? Also, has anyone gotten Linux with Xwindows running well on a 701C ? Further, is there any way to get a MIDI port on a 701C ? I have only the basic port expander and there is no game port or MIDI port there. -- Jonathan Sherred office phone: (408) 341-5248 sherred@hal.com http://www.hal.com/users/sherred/ HAL Computer Systems Silicon Valley - Campbell, CA, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 5 22:30:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12217; Fri, 5 Jul 96 22:30:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21685; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:29:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:18:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20815; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:18:19 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (ts700-702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.110.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20763; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:17:56 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (uucp@localhost) by lugs.org.sg (8.7.1/8.7.3) with UUCP id IAA00260; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 08:34:57 +0800 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ucBDW-0002BaC; Fri, 5 Jul 96 21:46 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00093; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:27:44 +0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:27:44 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: Jonathan Sherred Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: digest version of this mailing list ? In-Reply-To: <9607050009.AA23666@bomber.hal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Can I get set up to receive a digest version of this mailing list ? Refer to the listserver. > Also, has anyone gotten Linux with Xwindows running well on a 701C ? Yup, if U are refering to the Xfree86 server. I use the SVGA Server as it supports the C&T 65545 LCD Chipset. > Further, is there any way to get a MIDI port on a 701C ? I have only the > basic port expander and there is no game port or MIDI port there. Not too sure. BTW, does the TP701C have a OPL-2 or OPL-3 ? (I lost some of my docs) Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 5 23:40:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14092; Fri, 5 Jul 96 23:40:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26079; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:38:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:36:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25761; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:36:25 -0400 Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU (psuvm.psu.edu [128.118.56.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25755; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:36:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199607060336.XAA25755@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9694; Fri, 05 Jul 96 23:33:25 EDT Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU (NJE origin RFM@PSUVM) by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with RFC822 id 2489; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:33:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 23:33 EDT From: "Bob Munzenrider" Subject: Upgrading a TP700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu I'm looking for advice. I have an original Thinkpad 700, mono, a real kludge by today's standards, but reliable. I upgraded it last year with a larger hard drive from Sigma (which works just fine). This year, I'd like to explore the possibilities of upgrading the microprocessor. My TP700 has a 486SL/25 chip, and is capable of being upgaded to a 486SL/50, if one can find any such around. Does anyone know where I can obtain the microprocessor upgrade? Barring that, does anyone have any ideas on alternatives? Thanks. Bob Munzenrider, Penn State Harrisburg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 6 23:54:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08089; Sat, 6 Jul 96 23:54:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20927; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:53:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:40:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20136; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:40:41 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20120; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:40:34 -0400 Received: (from rickt@localhost) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) id WAA21146 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 22:40:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Rick Tait Message-Id: <199607070340.WAA21146@psa.pencom.com> Subject: 32MB RAM (TP 755CX) for sale or swap for TP 760C RAM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 22:40:06 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Subject says it all. I have a 32MB memory module (that goes under the keyboard) for my wife's TP755CX (works on any TP75x), and I wish to sell it or swap it for some memory for my new TP760C. Doesn't need to be a straight swap -- ie, if someone has a 16MB module for a TP760 we can go cash either way etc. My location is Dallas, TX. Please get in touch via email and we'll work it out! Thanks, /rickt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Tait rickt@psa.pencom.com Unix cowboy, Technofuturist, Cryptoanarchist, Libertarian, Brit hacker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 00:01:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08229; Sun, 7 Jul 96 00:01:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21370; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 00:00:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:59:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21180; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:59:22 -0400 Received: from interramp.com (pop3.interramp.com [38.8.32.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21174; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:59:20 -0400 Received: from us027545.interramp.com by interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-pop-local) id XAA29604; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:59:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:59:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199607070359.XAA29604@interramp.com> X-Sender: us027545@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rickt@psa.pencom.com From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 32MB RAM (TP 755CX) for sale or swap for TP 760C RAM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:40 PM 7/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >Subject says it all. > >I have a 32MB memory module (that goes under the keyboard) for my >wife's TP755CX (works on any TP75x), and I wish to sell it or swap >it for some memory for my new TP760C. > >Doesn't need to be a straight swap -- ie, if someone has a 16MB >module for a TP760 we can go cash either way etc. > >My location is Dallas, TX. Please get in touch via email and we'll >work it out! I saw 32 meg ICs new for the 755 series for $410. 32 meg cards for the 760 series go for $1000-1100. 16 megs go for $350. Just to let you know the current pricing. All those prices are for new memory. Good luck. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - C:\Mark_Bell\800_College_Drive_#104\Vineland_NJ\08360\6093274029 My toys: P133, TP 760C, Saturn, PSX, TurboDuo, Sega w/CD, SNES - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 09:46:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28502; Sun, 7 Jul 96 09:46:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19966; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 09:45:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 09:41:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19725; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 09:41:48 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19719; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 09:41:45 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA02188; Sun, 7 Jul 96 09:38:59 EDT Date: Sun, 7 Jul 96 09:38:59 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607071338.AA02188@nile.gnat.com> To: bytehead@interramp.com, rickt@psa.pencom.com Subject: Re: 32MB RAM (TP 755CX) for sale or swap for TP 760C RAM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "I saw 32 meg ICs new for the 755 series for $410. 32 meg cards for the 760 series go for $1000-1100. 16 megs go for $350. Just to let you know the current pricing. All those prices are for new memory. Good luck." Of course seeing prices does not mean that you can get working memory at these prices. I got a very good price on a 32 meg module for the Toshiba Tecra 720CDT, memory made by PNR, unfortunately it just did not work! In fact the PNR 16 meg module did not work either (these modules are both designed for the 600 series machines, and supposedly should be compatible). I replaced it with MPM memory that works fine. $410 for a 32 meg card for the 755 is an excellent price (if it works!) Since memory prices have fallen so much, for some people, depending on circumstances, you may be better off donating your memory to someone tax-deductible -- you can probably deduct the depreciated price, and that can be more than you can sell it for! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 10:33:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29305; Sun, 7 Jul 96 10:33:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21794; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:32:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:30:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21689; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:30:57 -0400 Received: from interramp.com (pop3.interramp.com [38.8.32.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21683; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:30:55 -0400 Received: from us027545.interramp.com by interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-pop-local) id KAA08407; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:30:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:30:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199607071430.KAA08407@interramp.com> X-Sender: us027545@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 32MB RAM (TP 755CX) for sale or swap for TP 760C RAM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 09:38 AM 7/7/96 EDT, you wrote: >"I saw 32 meg ICs new for the 755 series for $410. 32 meg cards for the >760 series go for $1000-1100. 16 megs go for $350. Just to let you >know the current pricing. All those prices are for new memory. Good >luck." > >Of course seeing prices does not mean that you can get working memory >at these prices. I got a very good price on a 32 meg module for the >Toshiba Tecra 720CDT, memory made by PNR, unfortunately it just did >not work! In fact the PNR 16 meg module did not work either (these >modules are both designed for the 600 series machines, and supposedly >should be compatible). I replaced it with MPM memory that works fine. > >$410 for a 32 meg card for the 755 is an excellent price (if it works!) > >Since memory prices have fallen so much, for some people, depending on >circumstances, you may be better off donating your memory to someone >tax-deductible -- you can probably deduct the depreciated price, and >that can be more than you can sell it for! True, but the brand was Goldenram, and I've had *0* problems with both using their modules in my 755cx and 760c model Thinkpads. They are also IBM certified and their memory is covered under EZ-Serve. :) Good stuff so far. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - C:\Mark_Bell\800_College_Drive_#104\Vineland_NJ\08360\6093274029 My toys: P133, TP 760C, Saturn, PSX, TurboDuo, Sega w/CD, SNES - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 15:22:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05642; Sun, 7 Jul 96 15:22:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05654; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:21:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:15:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05078; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:15:28 -0400 Received: from mail-a.bcc.ac.uk (mail-a.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05062; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:15:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199607071915.PAA05062@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from thinkpad.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:15:07 +0100 X-Sender: ucklw08@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Dr. Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Mailing List Historical (Searchable?) Archive? Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:15:12 +0000 Is this mailing list (or digest) archived somewhere where it would be easily accessible -- via ftp, gopher, netscape? Occasionally it would be nice to be able to search for things like the specific hd models which can be installed in the existing TP750 340MB carrier --and-- the procedures to follow to do the installation. Maybe it might even be nice for IBM PC Company to archive this mailing list. Thanks, AJ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 15:32:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06849; Sun, 7 Jul 96 15:32:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06390; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:32:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:30:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06293; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:30:47 -0400 Received: from laptev.imonics.com (laptev.imonics.com [205.139.208.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06287; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:30:45 -0400 Received: from phalanx (phalanx [205.139.208.113]) by laptev.imonics.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14007 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Sender: randi@imonics.com Message-Id: <31E0103A.6A24@imonics.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 15:30:02 -0400 From: Randip Singh Organization: Imonics Corp. ( -- Medaphis Inc. ) X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: password on the hard drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a thinkpad 750Cs. I added a 1M hard-drive on to it. the problem is that I had a password for the hard drive which I dont remember. I have been told that the hard drive is now useless. IS there some way I can remove the password and reclaim the hard drive ? Has anybody had sucess with this ? Thanks -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randi Singh randi@imonics.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 15:40:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07775; Sun, 7 Jul 96 15:40:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06927; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:39:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:37:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06831; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:37:53 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06825; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:37:51 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA02602; Sun, 7 Jul 96 15:35:13 EDT Date: Sun, 7 Jul 96 15:35:13 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607071935.AA02602@nile.gnat.com> To: randi@imonics.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: password on the hard drive "I have a thinkpad 750Cs. I added a 1M hard-drive on to it. the problem is that I had a password for the hard drive which I dont remember. I have been told that the hard drive is now useless. IS there some way I can remove the password and reclaim the hard drive ? Has anybody had sucess with this ?" One would certainly hope that the drive is useless if you have forgotten the password, otherwise what use is a password? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 15:59:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08764; Sun, 7 Jul 96 15:59:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08009; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:58:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:57:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07878; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:57:26 -0400 Received: from laptev.imonics.com (laptev.imonics.com [205.139.208.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07857; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:57:19 -0400 Received: from phalanx (phalanx [205.139.208.113]) by laptev.imonics.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14542; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Sender: randi@imonics.com Message-Id: <31E01672.6397@imonics.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 15:56:34 -0400 From: Randip Singh Organization: Imonics Corp. ( -- Medaphis Inc. ) X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Dewar Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: password on the hard drive References: <9607071935.AA02602@nile.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Dewar wrote: > > "I have a thinkpad 750Cs. I added a 1M hard-drive on to it. > the problem is that I had a password for the hard drive which > I dont remember. I have been told that the hard drive is now > useless. IS there some way I can remove the password and reclaim the > hard drive ? Has anybody had sucess with this ?" > > One would certainly hope that the drive is useless if you have > forgotten the password, otherwise what use is a password? Point taken. However there is a power on password and IBM support/service can fix that. I am hoping that there is way to fix the hard drive password problem too rather than trash the hard drive. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randi Singh randi@imonics.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 16:53:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10957; Sun, 7 Jul 96 16:53:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10618; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:52:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:49:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10327; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:49:35 -0400 Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10321; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:49:33 -0400 Received: from smtp.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA07595; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:49:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199607072049.PAA07595@Kitten.mcs.com> To: Randip Singh Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.99c) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:49:13 CDT From: Ron Heiby Reply-To: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: password on the hard drive ** Reply to note from Randip Singh Sun, 07 Jul 1996 15:56:34 -0400 This has been asked several times before. Every time it has been asked, the answer has been the same, and the same as what is written in the documentation that comes with the ThinkPad. If you forget the hard drive password, about the best you can do is re-use the "shell" with a new drive. Ron. cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 17:12:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11594; Sun, 7 Jul 96 17:12:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11774; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:11:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:09:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11570; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:09:38 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@Eisner.DECUS.Org [192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11564; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:09:36 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I6SQH30EAO001WYD@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 17:09:20 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: password on the hard drive In-Reply-To: <199607072049.PAA07595@Kitten.mcs.com> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <836773760.579000.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > If you forget the hard drive password, about the best you can do is re-use > the "shell" with a new drive. Yes there has been no report of anyone successfully cracking this. It's actually a good thing - the cost of a lost Thinkpad is nothing compared to the grief I could have over some of the data on the disk. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 20:58:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19972; Sun, 7 Jul 96 20:58:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23855; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:57:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:54:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23588; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:54:42 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23581; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:54:34 -0400 Received: from ssh.fibertron.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0ud4YK-001B4xC; Sun, 7 Jul 96 18:51 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960708005450.00983454@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 18:54:50 -0600 To: Randip Singh , Robert Dewar From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: password on the hard drive Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 03:56 PM 7/7/96 -0400, Randip Singh wrote: >Robert Dewar wrote: >> >> "I have a thinkpad 750Cs. I added a 1M hard-drive on to it. >> the problem is that I had a password for the hard drive which >> I dont remember. I have been told that the hard drive is now >> useless. IS there some way I can remove the password and reclaim the >> hard drive ? Has anybody had sucess with this ?" >> >> One would certainly hope that the drive is useless if you have >> forgotten the password, otherwise what use is a password? > > Point taken. However there is a power on password > and IBM support/service can fix that. I am hoping that there is > way to fix the hard drive password problem too rather than trash > the hard drive. The way they "fix" this is to replace the motherboard! ss -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 21:15:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20529; Sun, 7 Jul 96 21:15:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25488; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:14:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:13:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25365; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:13:19 -0400 Received: from unix.asb.com (root@unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25353; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:13:14 -0400 Received: from sls49.asb.com (sls49.asb.com [165.254.128.129]) by unix.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA03674 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:29:10 -0400 From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: password on the hard drive Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 01:13:02 GMT Organization: Just me and I'm not organized Message-Id: <31e05fc1.1668072@unix.asb.com> References: <9607071935.AA02602@nile.gnat.com> <31E01672.6397@imonics.com> In-Reply-To: <31E01672.6397@imonics.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Sun, 07 Jul 1996 15:56:34 -0400, you wrote: >Robert Dewar wrote: >> >> "I have a thinkpad 750Cs. I added a 1M hard-drive on to it. >> the problem is that I had a password for the hard drive which >> I dont remember. I have been told that the hard drive is now >> useless. IS there some way I can remove the password and reclaim the >> hard drive ? Has anybody had sucess with this ?" >> >> One would certainly hope that the drive is useless if you have >> forgotten the password, otherwise what use is a password? > > > Point taken. However there is a power on password > and IBM support/service can fix that. I am hoping that there is > way to fix the hard drive password problem too rather than trash > the hard drive. > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Randi Singh randi@imonics.com > In the olden days DR DOS had the ability to password protect a HD. The password was stored somewhere in track zero. Low level formatting the drive removed password protection. Of course LL formatting an ide drive isn't a walk in the park either. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 21:41:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21717; Sun, 7 Jul 96 21:41:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27082; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:39:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:38:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26967; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:37:59 -0400 Received: from pointer.netpoint.net (pointer.netpoint.net [198.69.200.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26961; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:37:51 -0400 Received: from mailhub.netpoint.net (dppp01.netpoint.net [198.69.200.101]) by pointer.netpoint.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA20315; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:30:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199607080130.VAA20315@pointer.netpoint.net> To: Mark Bell To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.05f) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:37:38 EST From: Bill Schwartz Reply-To: Bill Schwartz Subject: Re: 32MB RAM (TP 755CX) for sale or swap for TP 760C RAM Addressed to: Mark Bell thinkpad@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Mark Bell 07/07/96 10:30am -0400 We dist the GoldenRam upgrades and would like to know where you can get 32MB for the TP755 for $410.00 that will work. Bill High Performance Cartridges Inc. PO BOX 545890 Surfside, Fl. 33154 Phone 1-305-868-8430 Fax 1-305-864-7367 URL: http://www.netpoint.net/hpcart/HPRAM.HTM Thinkpad Memory Systems From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 22:12:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24012; Sun, 7 Jul 96 22:12:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29124; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:11:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:08:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28719; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:08:21 -0400 Received: from interramp.com (pop3.interramp.com [38.8.32.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28712; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:08:15 -0400 Received: from us027545.interramp.com by interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-pop-local) id WAA21560; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:08:00 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:08:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199607080208.WAA21560@interramp.com> X-Sender: us027545@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Bill Schwartz From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 32MB RAM (TP 755CX) for sale or swap for TP 760C RAM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 09:37 PM 7/7/96 EST, you wrote: >Addressed to: Mark Bell > thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > >** Reply to note from Mark Bell 07/07/96 >10:30am -0400 >We dist the GoldenRam upgrades and would like to know where you can >get 32MB for the TP755 for $410.00 that will work. > >Bill > >High Performance Cartridges Inc. >PO BOX 545890 >Surfside, Fl. 33154 >Phone 1-305-868-8430 >Fax 1-305-864-7367 >URL: http://www.netpoint.net/hpcart/HPRAM.HTM >Thinkpad Memory Systems > > Ok, this is to everybody: (Since I had a lot of replies in my mailbox, and this one to the list): From penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow). I've done business with him before. He is trustworthy and delivers IBM products (and certified accessories) on time. As always, YMMV. Here is his message in misc.forsale.computers.memory: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 760E series.. and 560 series... 16meg = $250 32meg = $1100 64meg = $2000 (requires a small deposit) 760C series: 16meg = $255 32meg = $1115 701 series.. 8meg = $155 16meg = $245 755 series.. DRAM cards.. 16meg = $250 32meg = $410 755 series 540meg HDD $225 810meg HDD $400~ bare 720meg slim drive $275 bare 814meg slim drive $295 bare 1.08gig slim drive $425 one new 755 series 1.3gig toshiba drive at $500, incl shell.. 2.1 gig for 760CD & 755/350 series $775.00 with shell for 755 series, w/o shell but with plug assy. for 760CD & ED series + FedEx COD <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - C:\Mark_Bell\800_College_Drive_#104\Vineland_NJ\08360\6093274029 My toys: P133, TP 760C, Saturn, PSX, TurboDuo, Sega w/CD, SNES - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 7 22:13:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24021; Sun, 7 Jul 96 22:13:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29362; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:12:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:10:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28913; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:10:20 -0400 Received: from interramp.com (pop3.interramp.com [38.8.32.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28900; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:10:18 -0400 Received: from us027545.interramp.com by interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-pop-local) id WAA22045; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:10:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:10:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199607080210.WAA22045@interramp.com> X-Sender: us027545@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Also, another note... A few months ago, a gent on AOL was also selling Kingston 32 meg IC DRAM cards for $450/ea. in the Laptops forsale board. I don't know if he has any left or is still selling memory. I know a few board members did buy from him and were very satisfied. Again, YMMV. It is best to research and search the net and hardcopy sources extensively. The deals you find will surprise you, but caveat emptor. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - C:\Mark_Bell\800_College_Drive_#104\Vineland_NJ\08360\6093274029 My toys: P133, TP 760C, Saturn, PSX, TurboDuo, Sega w/CD, SNES - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 8 10:45:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25405; Mon, 8 Jul 96 10:45:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18842; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:42:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:28:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17602; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:28:57 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17590; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:28:54 -0400 Received: (from rickt@localhost) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) id JAA05169 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:28:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Rick Tait Message-Id: <199607081428.JAA05169@psa.pencom.com> Subject: PCMCIA joystick adapter? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:28:25 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Anyone know of such a product? Not having a stick on Apache on my TP is driving me nuts! /rickt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Tait rickt@psa.pencom.com Unix cowboy, Technofuturist, Cryptoanarchist, Libertarian, Brit hacker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 8 11:00:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26079; Mon, 8 Jul 96 11:00:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20400; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:59:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:57:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20270; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:57:47 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20263; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:57:41 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA04695; Mon, 8 Jul 96 10:54:54 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Jul 96 10:54:54 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607081454.AA04695@nile.gnat.com> To: rickt@psa.pencom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCMCIA joystick adapter? thre are PCMCIA products that provide joystick adapters, I saw one in the store the other day (at Rockwell Computers), don't know the make. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 8 11:19:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26622; Mon, 8 Jul 96 11:19:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22309; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:18:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:17:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22165; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:17:11 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22157; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:17:08 -0400 Received: from hyper (dwhite@hyper.shadow.net [204.177.71.251]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24180; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:19:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside X-Sender: dwhite@hyper To: Robert Dewar Cc: rickt@psa.pencom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCMCIA joystick adapter? In-Reply-To: <9607081454.AA04695@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > thre are PCMCIA products that provide joystick adapters, I saw one in > the store the other day (at Rockwell Computers), don't know the make. > found through Alta Vista: http://www.fscentral.com/gamecardpc.htm This PCMCIA (PC Card) adapter lets you connect your joystick up to your laptop! The Game PC Card is compatible with type 2 and 3 PCMCIA slots and supports CPU clock speed ranging from 8 MHz to 200 MHz. It features an industry-standard 15-pin joystick port allowing you to connect any IBM PC compatible controller. If you wish to enjoy a bit more interactiveness than even this site permits, just us call toll-free at 1-800-477-SIMS <7467> (within the US and Canada) and we'll be pleased to take your credit card order over the phone. You can reach us weekdays from 10:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Central Time. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 8 11:28:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27024; Mon, 8 Jul 96 11:28:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23190; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:28:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:26:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23019; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:26:12 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (CNRI.Reston.VA.US [132.151.1.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23010; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:26:06 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa10891; 8 Jul 96 11:23 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (Bouncing Bass Player Edition)) id LAA24990; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:22:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:22:26 -0400 From: Ken Manheimer Message-Id: <199607081522.LAA24990@glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US> To: Jonathan Sherred Cc: Elvin , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Linux, X on the thinkpad Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US X-Mailer: VM 5.95 (beta) / 19.13 XEmacs Lucid Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives For those not acquainted with the "Linux on the IBM Thinkpad" web pages - though recently revised (so, for instance, it has no reference to the 760 models), you'll find there info about running X on the thinkpad, among many other crucial baseline tidbits. See . Ken Manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 8 11:59:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28659; Mon, 8 Jul 96 11:59:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26242; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:57:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:55:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25999; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:55:26 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (ts700-702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.110.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25914; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:55:00 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (uucp@localhost) by lugs.org.sg (8.7.1/8.7.3) with UUCP id XAA17135 for cs.utk.edu!thinkpad; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:34:42 +0800 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0udIKM-0002BmC; Mon, 8 Jul 96 23:34 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA00160; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:55:50 +0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:55:50 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCMCIA joystick adapter? In-Reply-To: <199607081428.JAA05169@psa.pencom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Anyone know of such a product? > Not having a stick on Apache on my TP is driving me nuts! Yeah, just wondering, what products are there for extra ports for PCMCIA ? My multiport is always acting up and having a multi-functio port on PCMCIA will be cool... A serial port on PCMCIA will be good... Also, any one got any info on USB ? (Universal Serial Bus) Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 8 20:22:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24990; Mon, 8 Jul 96 20:22:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05308; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:20:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:16:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05040; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:16:54 -0400 Received: from ginger.vnet.net (root@ginger.vnet.net [166.82.1.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05034; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:16:47 -0400 Received: from vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by ginger.vnet.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA15173 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 19:22:38 -0400 Received: from pop.vnet.net by vnet.net with SMTP id AA07780 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:16:04 -0400 Received: from swanmed.swanmed.com (ACCS-AS03-DP05.atln.grid.net [206.80.171.82]) by pop.vnet.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA05228 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:16:04 -0400 Message-Id: <31E1A738.3504@swanmed.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 20:26:32 -0400 From: BluesHarp Reply-To: jss@swanmed.com Organization: Swan Medical, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Proxima projector problems with my 760ELD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had trouble today with my TP 760ELD and a proxima projector. It looked like it couldn't synch up kept flashing on the Proxima output. A similar TP (but perhaps with a newer bios) worked just fine. Also a 17" monitor had no problem. Any ideas? Thanks, Jim Safran swan@swanmed.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 9 10:13:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04014; Tue, 9 Jul 96 10:13:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06912; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:12:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:05:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06293; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:05:56 -0400 Received: from econ.lsa.umich.edu (supply.econ.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.12.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06287; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:05:51 -0400 Received: from smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu by econ.lsa.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id KAA13011; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shinichi Sakata" Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607091405.KAA23106@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Etherlink III cable change problem A week ago, I said that I need to reboot my Thinkpad 755CX with 3com Etherlink III PC card (Combo) running OS/2 WARP Connect if I move one LAN to another. I thought that this was strange, because some people had already mentioned that they carry their hibernated thinkpads from one place to another and their LAN connections at multiple places just work file. Today, I finally found a simple cause for my problem. The two LANs, to which I am connecting my machine, use different types of cables. One of them uses coax cables and the other uses TP cables. After waiting for 35 minutes on the phone, I finally reached a technical support guy at 3com and explained the situation. Then The guy said "It is normal. What you have to do is JUST reboot your machine." I repeatedly tried to explain why I am concerned with this feature, but he did not understand my point. His final comment was that I should talk with the marketing department responsible for the future product feature improvement. The only useful information I got in the phone call was that the 3com drivers only check the connected transceiver at the boot time. When the card service tells the drive to reinitialize the network card, the driver uses the previously obtained information about the transceiver instead of checking it again. The tech guy could not explain why the driver was designed in this way. Shinichi -- ============================================================================= Shinichi Sakata, Ph.D. The University of Michigan Internet: ssakata@umich.edu Department of Economics Phone: (313) 764-2368 / 2355 240 Lorch Hall, 1220 Fax: (313) 764-2769 611 Tappan Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 ============================================================================= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 9 11:56:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09053; Tue, 9 Jul 96 11:56:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16757; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:53:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:44:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15921; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:44:26 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15915; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:44:23 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0udeuu-001BqBC; Tue, 9 Jul 96 09:41 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960709154434.009559dc@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 09:44:34 -0600 To: "Shinichi Sakata" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Etherlink III cable change problem At 10:05 AM 7/9/96 -0400, Shinichi Sakata wrote: >The only useful information I got in the phone call was that the 3com >drivers only check the connected transceiver at the boot time. When >the card service tells the drive to reinitialize the network card, the >driver uses the previously obtained information about the transceiver >instead of checking it again. The tech guy could not explain why the >driver was designed in this way. You might be able to use card services such that you could unplug the card, have the drivers unloaded, then plug it back in and have them reload (and re-check). I'm not certain (I know this would work on 95, but I haven't used OS/2 PnP support for PC Cards enough lately!), but it's worth a try! ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 9 12:27:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10239; Tue, 9 Jul 96 12:27:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19946; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:26:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:24:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19712; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:24:24 -0400 Received: from econ.lsa.umich.edu (supply.econ.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.12.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19706; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:24:21 -0400 Received: from smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu by econ.lsa.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id MAA14445; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:24:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shinichi Sakata" Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607091624.MAA24232@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> To: ssh@wwsi.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960709154434.009559dc@[166.93.8.14]> (message from Steve Hultquist on Tue, 09 Jul 1996 09:44:34 -0600) Subject: Re: Etherlink III cable change problem Thanks for your suggestion, but I have already tried it. It did not work, unfortunately. Shinichi >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Hultquist writes: Steve> At 10:05 AM 7/9/96 -0400, Shinichi Sakata wrote: >> The only useful information I got in the phone call was that >> the 3com drivers only check the connected transceiver at the >> boot time. When the card service tells the drive to >> reinitialize the network card, the driver uses the previously >> obtained information about the transceiver instead of checking >> it again. The tech guy could not explain why the driver was >> designed in this way. Steve> You might be able to use card services such that you could Steve> unplug the card, have the drivers unloaded, then plug it Steve> back in and have them reload (and re-check). I'm not Steve> certain (I know this would work on 95, but I haven't used Steve> OS/2 PnP support for PC Cards enough lately!), but it's Steve> worth a try! Steve> ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Steve> Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, Steve> NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne Steve> http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 9 16:17:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19513; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:17:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09366; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:09:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:06:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08991; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:06:31 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08963; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:06:17 -0400 Received: from hyper (dwhite@hyper.shadow.net [204.177.71.251]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17619; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:08:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside X-Sender: dwhite@hyper To: Shinichi Sakata Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Etherlink III cable change problem In-Reply-To: <199607091405.KAA23106@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Shinichi Sakata wrote: > work file. Today, I finally found a simple cause for my problem. The > two LANs, to which I am connecting my machine, use different types of > cables. One of them uses coax cables and the other uses TP cables. > > After waiting for 35 minutes on the phone, I finally reached a > technical support guy at 3com and explained the situation. Then The > guy said "It is normal. What you have to do is JUST reboot your > machine." Interestingly, I was able to switch media (running the command line dos utility to alter config) on the fly under DOS/Windows.... until I switched to CardSoft's CardWizard. Then I had to eject the card and reenter it. Give that a try - it's vnot as good as a working driver, but it beats rebooting. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 9 22:54:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08036; Tue, 9 Jul 96 22:54:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11398; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:53:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:49:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10812; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:49:49 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net (ndanger@bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10805; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:49:45 -0400 Received: by bolero.rahul.net id AA02604 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:49:42 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Lute Subject: HD Password. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi. I'm new to the list and have what is probably a fairly basic question: I have a 750C with a 340M HD that I'm trying to set up for somebody else. The machine was acquired with a hard disk password in place and nobody knows what it is. Is there a way to bypass it? It isn't the one you can disable by disconnecting the batteries. It's on the HD itself, and it renders any TP you install it in completely useless. 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A 340M disk is not worth much so it is not a big loss, you can rescue the caddy and get a generic disk to put inside it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 9 23:24:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09499; Tue, 9 Jul 96 23:24:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14254; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:23:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:22:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14160; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:22:51 -0400 Received: from mail.his.com (root@mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14154; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:22:47 -0400 Received: from sgs.his.com (sgs.his.com [205.252.80.23]) by mail.his.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA24819 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:22:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199607100322.XAA24819@mail.his.com> From: "Simon G. Smith" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 09 Jul 96 23:31:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon G. Smith" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Simon Smith's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD Password. My following comment will probably show how ignorant I am about hard drives. Could you just take one of these big drives and get a big magnet & erase it? Simon Smith From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 06:50:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25198; Wed, 10 Jul 96 06:50:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17202; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 06:49:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 06:43:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16866; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 06:43:46 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16855; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 06:43:43 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA68516 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:43:13 GMT Message-Id: <199607101043.KAA68516@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip139-92-52-106.vi.at.ibm.net(139.92.52.106) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smanhAN4o; Wed Jul 10 10:43:07 1996 From: "Siegfried Hanisch" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 12:41:13 +0100 Reply-To: "Siegfried Hanisch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Siegfried Hanisch's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: replacement HD for 701CS? Hi! Can someone tell me what HD types are supported by the 701CS? I think about removing the 360MB drive and reusing the caddy with a bigger drive. Can I use any 2.5" IDE disk or are there restrictions, e.g. in the BIOS? Is there some kind of "system partition" with the setup program in it? (My old Compaq Areo notebook had such a partition). If yes, how can I recreate it on the new drive? Greetings # Quick to judge Siegfried Hanisch # Quick to anger =====================================# Slow to understand siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net # Ignorance and prejudice ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # And fear =====================================# Walk hand in hand http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8925811/ # Rush - "Witch Hunt" PGP public key available # Team OS/2 # From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 09:02:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29793; Wed, 10 Jul 96 09:02:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26549; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:01:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:56:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26034; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:56:21 -0400 Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26028; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:56:19 -0400 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA28590 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:56:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 10 Jul 96 07:56 CDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960710125625.00688a30@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: runngdog@popmail.mcs.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:56:25 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Dane Tyson Subject: 760ED Evaluations After the long, long wait, we saw a number of "Got My ED!" postings a week or so ago, but so far no followup postings regarding these machines. As one who gave up waiting and opted for the Tecra 720CDT, I'm very curious about the experiences of new ED users. Is the machine simply an incremental upgrade from the 760CD, or are there other significant differences? Pros? Cons? Regards, Dane Tyson From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 10:06:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04623; Wed, 10 Jul 96 10:06:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02228; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:04:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:02:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01928; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:01:58 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01921; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:01:55 -0400 Received: from eng.conic.lmco.com ([158.185.125.202]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA22043; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:01:26 -0700 Received: from ENGINEERING/SpoolDir by eng.conic.lmco.com (Mercury 1.21); 10 Jul 96 07:04:01 PDT Received: from SpoolDir by ENGINEERING (Mercury 1.21); 10 Jul 96 07:03:31 PDT From: "Tom Franklin" Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instr. To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:03:26 PDT Subject: Re: HD Password. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <2BACF503EF@eng.conic.lmco.com> >this keeps coming up, the question about HD passwords, so here is the >answer. there is no known way of making any use of this disk at all. >A 340M disk is not worth much so it is not a big loss, you can rescue >the caddy and get a generic disk to put inside it. Has anyone tried a low level format to get rid of the password? I have never located an IBM low level format routine, but this might work if the information is saved on the disk itself. If the information is saved in EEPROM you might be able to desolder it and reprogram. If someone could figure out how to defeat the password they could buy many drives cheaply. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 12:29:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11592; Wed, 10 Jul 96 12:29:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15201; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:27:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:14:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13746; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:14:05 -0400 Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13728; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:13:48 -0400 Received: from babelfish.execpc.com (babelfish.execpc.com [169.207.6.60]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08857; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:13:40 -0500 (CDT) From: kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: Dane Tyson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED Evaluations Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:16:23 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <31e3d56b.4585798@mailgate.execpc.com> References: <1.5.4.32.19960710125625.00688a30@popmail.mcs.net> In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960710125625.00688a30@popmail.mcs.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:56:25 -0500, you wrote: > Is the machine simply an incremental >upgrade from the 760CD, or are there other significant differences? Pros? >Cons? I was one of those, but I feel unqualified for a number of reasons: 1. I played for a week with a 760C (not a CD), but that's it. 2. I've never worked with or seen a 720CDT. 3. I'm still in the process of setting it up. We are a Windows 3.1 house, so I wiped the machine and have installed Win 3.1/DOS 6.22. IBM said that everything you can do multimedia-wise with Windows 95, you can do with Windows 3.1. I have downloaded from their Web site and installed all the drivers. I haven't worked with the modem yet or the port replicator. The machine does run *very* warm on the bottom and I'm aware of the complaints/issues with that. I will also be trying to hook this into a TV later before handing this off to a marketing person. I also haven't really tested the CD-ROM yet, so you can see, I've a ways to go. I have downloaded a few MPEG files, both sound and video. I was impressed by the clarity of the sound on the speakers even when turned up, but the MPEG standard and the IBM drivers get credit for that. I'm open to hearing about any "drop-dead" MPEG clips on the WWW that I can download. 8^) I have not had to wait long with service and have had no problems with the drivers. Also, no problems (yet) with the pixels. From the side, you still get a good view of the screen. Regards, Tom Kustner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 12:35:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11963; Wed, 10 Jul 96 12:35:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15835; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:33:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:30:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15634; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:30:57 -0400 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (phr@netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15617; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:30:52 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA25039; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:30:39 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:30:39 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199607101630.JAA25039@netcom2.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: HD password What is this about the HD password making the whole thinkpad useless? Do you mean that the Thinkpad stays useless after you take the drive back out and put in an unprotected one? That would make trying a used disk sound very dangerous. On the other hand, a password that protects only the data on the drive is useless. All someone after your data has to do is pull out the drive and put it into another machine that doesn't check for disk passwords. The only way to really protect the privacy or your disk data is by encrypting all of it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 13:14:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13290; Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:14:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18868; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:10:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:07:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18460; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:07:30 -0400 Received: from BROWNVM.brown.edu (brownvm.brown.edu [128.148.19.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18449; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:07:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199607101707.NAA18449@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4944; Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:04:14 EDT Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin ST402711@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5645; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:04:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:03:31 EDT From: Tim Johnson Subject: Re: HD Password. To: "Origin of LISTS.TP750" >Hi. I'm new to the list and have what is probably a fairly basic >question: I have a 750C with a 340M HD that I'm trying to set up >for somebody else. The machine was acquired with a hard disk password >in place and nobody knows what it is. Is there a way to bypass it? Have you considered contacting the person it was stolen from to get the password? -Tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 13:17:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13338; Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:17:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19393; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:15:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:13:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19047; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:13:39 -0400 Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (kodakr.kodak.com [150.220.251.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19040; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:13:36 -0400 Received: from CLAUDIA ([129.126.232.4]) by kodakr.kodak.com with SMTP id AA24336 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:10:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199607101710.AA24336@kodakr.kodak.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:15:00 -0400 From: "King, Randall" Subject: Question about PCMCIA To: "'SMTP:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Hello all, We have been working on a problem here for a while, and I was wondering if anyone else had run across this problem. We have a whole slew of machines trying to use Megahertz 28.8K modems and we are having a problem trying to make connections at 28.8 in Windows 3.1. I have pretty much narrowed the problem down to either the modem itself, or the PCMCIA drivers. We can receive at 28.8K fine, but sending 28.8K is a problem. I have reloaded the current drivers from IBM, and I am a bit perplexed. Has anyone heard of this problem before? Anyone have any suggestions? We are trying to grab another PCMCIA modem to see if it does the same thing. Just to stop the questions: 1) Yes the modems on the other send are all set up for 28.8 2) The modems send and receive fine in Windows 95 (at 28.8) 3) An external modem hooked up to the serial port will connect fine at 28.8. 4) We are trying to use MSMail for the data transfers (ewwww!) RK ps- What is IBM's tech support number for something like this? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 13:37:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14088; Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:37:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21076; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:34:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:32:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20800; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:32:22 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20794; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:32:17 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA06226 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:31:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199607101731.KAA06226@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: update on tp760EL and linux To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:31:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi. since i asked this question a while ago, and found out the answer, i thought i'd pass it along. i installed Linux on my thinkpad, and needed to find a working XF86Config file. research bore out that the chipset in this machine is only supported by the most very recent release of XF86_SVGA, the svga X server for linux. that version is 3.1.2E. Then i got a config file from a kind man named Meinhard Mayer. (i will include his FAQ at the end of this message, so that you don't need to bug him with e-mail if you want to try this yourself.) i set it up and it all works, sort of. His config file is written for a 760C, and i think there is probably some difference between his chipset and mine. The server works, except that the screen is garbled on startup, and won't refresh until after i've done fn-F7 to switch video modes. after that point, the X server works but the other virtual consoles, if you switch to them, are blank. also, i don' think that anybody has written a 16-but X server for this chipset, so it's strictly 8-bit for now. it's possible that i just need to specify a slightly different chipset value in the XF86Config file, but i haven't played with it yet because once i get X running, everything is fine. the color is great and the speed leaves nothing to be desired. (your mileage may vary.) here is Mr. Mayer's info file. -mykle- ----- HOW to make XF86_SVGA work on the IBM ThinkPad 760 C (and related machines with the Trident 9320 chipset). --------------------- 1. You need to get the beta release of XFree86 3.1.2E from ftp.xfree86.org and install it according to the RELEASE notes; get rid of all the symbolic links in /usr/X11R6/lib to previous versions. Also get the server XF86_SVGA from there! 2. Get the XF86Config file which works with my ThinkPad 760C from my machine: lynx.ps.uci.edu:dist use this as a starting point. 3. Don't forget to run ldconfig, to update the shared libraries database. 4. type startx, and everything should work. If you are still using the old 3.1.2Dd server please install the new version. If you succeed im getting the 16bpp mode to work, please let me know mmayer@uci.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 13:37:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14093; Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:37:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21074; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:34:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:33:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20867; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:33:15 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20850; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:33:10 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09524; Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:29:49 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:29:49 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607101729.AA09524@nile.gnat.com> To: phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD password the password belongs to the disk, not to the machine. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 13:38:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14403; Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:38:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21438; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:36:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:34:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21008; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:34:20 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20995; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:34:04 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA06242 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:33:04 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199607101733.KAA06242@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: sleeplessness To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:33:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi. i've recently noticed that once i've had a PCMCIA card in my 760EL running windows95, the darn thing won't sleep or hibenate, even after i've ejected the cards. has anybody else had this problem? i used to be using CardWizard, because it came with one of the cards, but it seemed superfluous under windows95, so i turned it off. i have no problem sleeping or hibenating the same system under Linux, so i don't think it's a problem with either the BIOS or the hibernation file. -mykle- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 13:51:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15145; Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:51:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22910; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:49:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:47:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22726; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:47:07 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22716; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:47:05 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09786; Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:44:23 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:44:23 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607101744.AA09786@nile.gnat.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux on Tecra? I know this is a thinkpad mailing list, so I apologize in advance for an inappropraite post, but I no quite a few Tecra converts are still reading the list. Has anyone got X working at 768 x 1024 on the Tecra. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 14:29:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16965; Wed, 10 Jul 96 14:29:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25700; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:21:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:20:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25449; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:20:01 -0400 Received: from bbnplanet.com (poblano.near.net [198.114.157.116]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25442; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:19:59 -0400 Subject: Re: update on tp760EL and linux To: mykle hansen Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:19:20 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hawkinson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199607101731.KAA06226@eunice.Vinton.COM> from "mykle hansen" at Jul 10, 96 10:31:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9607101419.aa11075@poblano.bbnplanet.com> > His config file is written for a 760C, and i think there is probably > some difference between his chipset and mine. The server works, > except that the screen is garbled on startup, and won't refresh > until after i've done fn-F7 to switch video modes. after that > point, the X server works but the other virtual consoles, if > you switch to them, are blank. This is an X server bug; it will be fixed in in XFree86 3.1.2F. > also, i don' think that anybody has written a 16-but X server for > this chipset, so it's strictly 8-bit for now. That's my understanding... --jhawk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 16:02:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20790; Wed, 10 Jul 96 16:02:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04878; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:57:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:54:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04478; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:54:57 -0400 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04472; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:54:52 -0400 Received: from wrc.xerox.com ([13.0.32.53]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14674(5)>; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:54:03 PDT Received: from sugaree.wrc.xerox.com by wrc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23442; Wed, 10 Jul 96 15:54:00 EDT Message-Id: <31E40A1F.2707@wrc.xerox.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:53:03 PDT From: James Reno Organization: xerox X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Johnson Cc: "Origin of LISTS.TP750" Subject: Re: HD Password. References: <199607101707.NAA18449@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I could not have stated my thoughts any better! If you had the MANUAL you would read: "Neither IBM nor an IBM authorized dealer can make the hard disk drive usable." Reno From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 17:16:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25194; Wed, 10 Jul 96 17:16:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09204; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:42:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:39:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08851; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:39:42 -0400 Received: from vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us (root@vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.215.250]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08833; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:39:36 -0400 Received: from vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.215.200]) by vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00886 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:28:09 -0400 Received: from SERVER1/MAILQ by vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (Mercury 1.21); 10 Jul 96 16:39:42 +1100 Received: from MAILQ by SERVER1 (Mercury 1.21); 10 Jul 96 16:39:21 +1100 From: "Peter W. Borders" Organization: Business Division - TCC VB To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:38:56 EST Subject: Password Protected HD's Reply-To: tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <16BDD8951DD@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us> If anyone has an unuseable HD because of a forgotten/lost password I will take it off of your hands for $10 plus shipping. Mainly I would like one to experiment with. Not a lot of money but more than you will get throwing it in the trash. Pete Borders From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 19:23:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02149; Wed, 10 Jul 96 19:23:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23472; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:23:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:18:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22977; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:18:43 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net (root@bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22968; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:18:39 -0400 Received: by bolero.rahul.net id AA27118 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:09:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:09:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Lute Subject: Re: HD Password. To: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <31E40A1F.2707@wrc.xerox.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd rather not turn this into a flame-war. I simply asked a question. This is not a stolen or illegitimately acquired machine. It's a machine that has been transferred between departments in a large company. If you've ever worked in such an environment, you know that when machines move, they frequently move without their original manuals. In as much as the Internet is a dynamic medium populated by knowledgable people, it might be much faster to ask a question here then to wait days or weeks for IBM to ship a replacement manual. How can you assume a machine is stolen simply because the manuals are missing? They could be missing for any number of reasons. Do you always jump to the worst assumption about new people on the list? I was under the impression that this list was intended to be a serious place to discuss important technical matters concerning Thinkpads. In case you both really were joking, remember that I don't know you, can't see you and wouldn't normally expect to be accused of being a thief in a forum supposedly populated by mature technical professionals. P.S. Thank you to everybody else who answered my question with helpful advice (the drive is a doorstop), and no I can't sell it to anybody regardless since it's owned by my employer, and if I sold it outside of our Purchasing Department, it really would be stealing. ******************************AREA 51!*********************************** * Mr. Kelly Lute * Revel in the strangeness of my webpage at * * Reverend Doktor Chunk * http://www.rahul.net/ndanger/index.html * * ndanger@rahul.net * FEATURING "THE EROS SPACE GALLERY" and more! * ******************************AREA 51!*********************************** X-ray Delta One to Mission Control - Transmission Concluded On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, James Reno wrote: > I could not have stated my thoughts any better! If you had the MANUAL you > would read: > > "Neither IBM nor an IBM authorized dealer can make the hard disk drive > usable." > > Reno > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 19:36:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04076; Wed, 10 Jul 96 19:36:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24365; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:34:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:33:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24253; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:33:55 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24244; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:33:52 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA05437; Wed, 10 Jul 96 19:31:11 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 19:31:11 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607102331.AA05437@nile.gnat.com> To: ndanger@rahul.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD Password. "I'd rather not turn this into a flame-war. I simply asked a question. This is not a stolen or illegitimately acquired machine. It's a machine that has been transferred between departments in a large company. If you've ever worked in such an environment, you know that when machines move, they frequently move without their original manuals. In as much as the Internet is a dynamic medium populated by knowledgable people, it might be much faster to ask a question here then to wait days or weeks for IBM to ship a replacement manual. How can you assume a machine is stolen simply because the manuals are missing? They could be missing for any number of reasons." But it is not the manuals you need, it is the memory of the guy who set the password. I trust he did *not* write it down anywhere. Whgat you need to do is to try to find out who set the password and ask him what it was. There is no other solution, otherwise you have to go buy a new disk. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 19:45:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04178; Wed, 10 Jul 96 19:45:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25338; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:44:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:42:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25228; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:42:51 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25222; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:42:47 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA11846; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:42:31 +1000 From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA27139; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:42:29 +1000 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:42:27 +1000 (EST) To: James Reno Cc: Tim Johnson , "Origin of LISTS.TP750" Subject: Re: HD Password. In-Reply-To: <31E40A1F.2707@wrc.xerox.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII try the NSA. with all the talk of downsizing the government in the D.C. area they may be looking for ways they can do some cost recovery : - ) . Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, James Reno wrote: > I could not have stated my thoughts any better! If you had the MANUAL you > would read: > > "Neither IBM nor an IBM authorized dealer can make the hard disk drive > usable." > > Reno > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 20:01:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05297; Wed, 10 Jul 96 20:01:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26660; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:00:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:59:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26506; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:59:11 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26499; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:59:08 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA02594 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17236; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:59:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:59:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: HD password Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII has anyone thought about trying a password protected thinkpad drive in one of those adapters that lets you put your thinkpad drive into a regular PC? If an IBM engineer somewhere would care to spill the beans and let us know how the password is used on the hard drive (i.e. encrypting all the data, or a flash rom chip somewhere storing the password in memory) then there might be a way around it. Josh Hosseinof hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 10 21:24:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09027; Wed, 10 Jul 96 21:24:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04659; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:22:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:21:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04518; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:21:22 -0400 Received: from husc.harvard.edu (root@husc.harvard.edu [140.247.30.45]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04510; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:21:20 -0400 Received: from pop2.fas.HARVARD.EDU by husc.harvard.edu with ESMTP id VAA18315; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from deathstar by pop2.fas.HARVARD.EDU with SMTP id VAA23375; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960711012107.0071d9d8@mail.cybercom.net> X-Sender: dchan@mail.cybercom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:21:07 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: "Derek V. Chan" Subject: Re: HD Password. The only way to make an unusable drive usable is to take apart the drive and replace the drive's interface and controller (on the drive) with a new one. So, basically, you're switching the platters w/ another drive. -- Derek >Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 19:31:11 EDT >From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) >To: ndanger@rahul.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: HD Password. > >"I'd rather not turn this into a flame-war. I simply asked a question. >This is not a stolen or illegitimately acquired machine. It's a >machine that has been transferred between departments in a large >company. If you've ever worked in such an environment, you know that >when machines move, they frequently move without their original manuals. >In as much as the Internet is a dynamic medium populated by knowledgable >people, it might be much faster to ask a question here then to wait >days or weeks for IBM to ship a replacement manual. How can you assume >a machine is stolen simply because the manuals are missing? They could >be missing for any number of reasons." > >But it is not the manuals you need, it is the memory of the guy who >set the password. I trust he did *not* write it down anywhere. Whgat >you need to do is to try to find out who set the password and >ask him what it was. There is no other solution, otherwise you have >to go buy a new disk. > DISCLAIMER: The above information is provided for your convenience. No assumptions regarding the reliability or accuracy of the above statement(s) or data should be made. __ Derek V. Chan | PGP Fingerprint: CB C4 65 BA 04 04 9C 9A chan4@fas.harvard.edu | FF DE 71 81 83 21 45 6B dchan@cybercom.net) | Finger either address for PGP public key. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 00:07:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15931; Thu, 11 Jul 96 00:07:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17124; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:06:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:03:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16606; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:03:43 -0400 Received: from jthome.jthome.com (jthome.jthome.com [199.232.255.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16599; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:03:37 -0400 Received: (from rickt@localhost) by jthome.jthome.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA15211 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:03:30 -0400 From: Rick Tait Message-Id: <199607110403.AAA15211@jthome.jthome.com> Subject: Modem already used by Dialup Networking in Win95? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:03:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Folks, I am seeing this problem a *lot* on my 760c, but not on my 755cx. Might anyone have nay ideas as to why this is happening? It's driving me crazy! Basically, whenever I try and dialout using Dialup Networking, its telling me that the modems are in use of Dialup Networking or another program and that I should close the program and then I can use the modem. This is of course untrue, as I am not using the modem neither is another program. I can't even get extended diags via the modems control panel - it says the "port is open". There are no conflicting interrupts or anything like that. ANY suggestions? Two modems on this machine - 1xMWave DSP and 1x28.8 Megahertz XJack PCMCIA card. The Megahertz works like a dream on the 755cx and indeed when it works on the 760c it works fine too. Anyone seen anything like this before? Thanks, /rickt -- PSA newbie, Unix cowboy, Internet junkie Just another roadside casualty on the so-called 'Information Superhighway' From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 08:48:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09400; Thu, 11 Jul 96 08:48:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25770; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:47:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:42:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25196; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:42:37 -0400 Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (kodakr.kodak.com [150.220.251.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25189; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:42:34 -0400 Received: from CLAUDIA ([129.126.232.4]) by kodakr.kodak.com with SMTP id AA26030 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:39:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199607111239.AA26030@kodakr.kodak.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:38:00 -0400 From: "King, Randall" Subject: RE: Question about PCMCIA To: "'SMTP:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Well, now I understand. I called IBM yesterday, and got bounced around to a few internal help desks before finally getting an 'answer'. I thought this may have been interesting to the list. Basically I found that if I replace the card services from IBM with the ones from Megahertz the modem works fine. So I confronted IBM with the question: "Why can't I connect and send at 28.8K using _your_ card services with my Megahertz modem?" Their reply: "Oh, we just checked with our communications department and Megahertz is no longer 'Thinkpad proven'. We can't help you, sorry." End of story. As you can tell, I had kittens when I heard this (we have 1500 thinkpads, almost all using Megahertz modems of one kind or another). The really annoying part was that they wouldn't (couldn't?) even tell me why! Has anyone here heard anything from IBM explaining why they don't support Megahertz cards anymore? So beware if you have any problems with your Thinkpads and Megahertz products. RK ---------- >From: King, Randall >To: 'SMTP:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' >Subject: Question about PCMCIA >Date: Wednesday, July 10, 1996 1:14PM > > >Hello all, >We have been working on a problem here for a while, and I was wondering if >anyone else had run across this problem. We have a whole slew of machines >trying to use Megahertz 28.8K modems and we are having a problem trying to >make connections at 28.8 in Windows 3.1. I have pretty much narrowed the >problem down to either the modem itself, or the PCMCIA drivers. We can >receive at 28.8K fine, but sending 28.8K is a problem. I have reloaded the >current drivers from IBM, and I am a bit perplexed. Has anyone heard of >this problem before? Anyone have any suggestions? We are trying to grab >another PCMCIA modem to see if it does the same thing. > >Just to stop the questions: > 1) Yes the modems on the other send are all set up for 28.8 > 2) The modems send and receive fine in Windows 95 (at 28.8) > 3) An external modem hooked up to the serial port will connect fine at >28.8. > 4) We are trying to use MSMail for the data transfers (ewwww!) > >RK > >ps- What is IBM's tech support number for something like this? > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 09:09:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10014; Thu, 11 Jul 96 09:09:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27843; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:09:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:07:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27632; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:07:43 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27626; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:07:40 -0400 From: Received: from (phi-pa1-10.ix.netcom.com [199.183.42.42]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA18673; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:07:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 08:56:05 PDT Subject: RE: Modem already used by Dialup Networking in Win95? To: Rick Tait , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Have you by any chance installed a new Netscape beta with cooltalk? If the cooltalk is enabled in the start-up you will get the error you mentioned. -=Alan=- >Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by quasar.voicenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA26142 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:12:52 -0400 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id AAA16874; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:05:14 -0400 >Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:03:45 -0400 >Received: > by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id AAA16606; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:03:43 -0400 >Received: from jthome.jthome.com (jthome.jthome.com [199.232.255.20]) > by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id AAA16599; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:03:37 -0400 >Received: (from rickt@localhost) by jthome.jthome.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA15211 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:03:30 -0400 >From: Rick Tait >Message-Id: <199607110403.AAA15211@jthome.jthome.com> >Subject: Modem already used by Dialup Networking in Win95? >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:03:29 -0400 (EDT) >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] >Content-Type: text >X-UIDL: 7f6fdc43db770d7b51a26bbe55a691f1 > >Folks, > >I am seeing this problem a *lot* on my 760c, but not on my 755cx. >Might anyone have nay ideas as to why this is happening? It's driving >me crazy! > >Basically, whenever I try and dialout using Dialup Networking, its >telling me that the modems are in use of Dialup Networking or another >program and that I should close the program and then I can use the >modem. This is of course untrue, as I am not using the modem neither >is another program. > >I can't even get extended diags via the modems control panel - it >says the "port is open". There are no conflicting interrupts or >anything like that. ANY suggestions? > >Two modems on this machine - 1xMWave DSP and 1x28.8 Megahertz XJack >PCMCIA card. The Megahertz works like a dream on the 755cx and indeed >when it works on the 760c it works fine too. > >Anyone seen anything like this before? > >Thanks, >/rickt >-- >PSA newbie, Unix cowboy, Internet junkie >Just another roadside casualty on the so-called 'Information Superhighway' > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 10:51:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14039; Thu, 11 Jul 96 10:51:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07981; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:49:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:45:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07464; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:45:49 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@ppp1.lugs.org.sg [203.127.221.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07448; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:45:42 -0400 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ueN6O-0002C0C; Thu, 11 Jul 96 22:52 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA00229; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:06:27 +0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:06:26 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 16bpp and above on Linux/XFree86 on 701C Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Just a simple question. Can Xfree86 go up to 16bpp and above on the 701C ? WIndows works fine with >8bit (Thought 24 bpp, not much diff.) And one big question, how do I set XFree86 to go 16bpp and 32bpp ??? Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 11:16:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15162; Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:16:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10524; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:15:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:14:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10272; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:14:16 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10256; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:14:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id LAA10603; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:10:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:10:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" Reply-To: "John H. Kim" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Subject: Re: 16bpp and above on Linux/XFree86 on 701C Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Elvin wrote: > Just a simple question. Can Xfree86 go up to 16bpp and above on > the 701C ? WIndows works fine with >8bit (Thought 24 bpp, not much diff.) > And one big question, how do I set XFree86 to go 16bpp and 32bpp ??? Here's my answer a month ago: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:10:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Bjoern Stabell Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: display and graphics chip set of 701s On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Bjoern Stabell wrote: > Does anyone know how many bits of each RGB component the display and > graphics chip set can handle [on the TP701]? The 701 uses the C&T 65545 video chipset. It isn't originally designed for 24-bit color, but IBM tweaked something to get 24-bit color to work under DOS-VESA, Windows, and OS/2. It seems to work except it requires a strange synch frequencies many monitors can't handle. On the LCD I get a wavy white line along the right side. Not that 24-bit color is useful on an LCD - I tested it and it's indistinguishable from 16-bit color on my TFT, other than being slower and the white line. The 16-bit (64k and 32k color) modes are standard, and fully supported under DOS, Windows, and OS/2. > I'm using Linux, and the SVGA X server I use doesn't seem to understand > anything beyond 640x480 in 256 colors with a resolution of 6 bits in each > of the three color dimensions (RGB). Anyone know of a better server or if > better support is planned for the ct65545 chipset? There XFree server offers minimal support for the CT65545. It'll only do 8-bit video (256 colors, or 8 bits from a palette of 18-bits, which is where Bjoern gets the "6 bits in each..." figure). It doesn't even use the video acceleration or programmable clock. You can buy the AcceleratedX server for $99. It is also limited to 8-bit color, but it does use the acceleration and programmable clock. http://www.xinside.com There's also been some pre-release work to enable the XFree server to use acceleration and 16-bit and 24-bit color. I've tried several of these "alpha" drivers without success. They put the video in an unusable mode. 5% of the time it is unrecoverable, requiring I reboot. The other 95% of the time, I can get it back to a usable mode by hitting Fn+F1. I suspect there's something simple I'm missing here, but I don't have the time or knowledge to look into it further. http://www.cygnus.com/~raeburn/ct5xx.html http://www.castle.net/X-notebook/index_linux.html > Tragic. I would so much have liked to run 640x480 in 16bit on the TFT > and 1024x768 in 256 colors on an external CRT. :( Is that doable with, > lets say, Windows 95? 1024x768 in 256 colors on an external CRT should be doable. I don't have a monitor so I haven't tried. I know the AcceleratedX drivers are capable of doing it. Tell me if you can get any of the 16-bit Linux drivers working. I use Win95 right when I need to work in 16-bit mode while still preserving Unix long-filenames. Win95 sucks up far too much disk space and RAM for the marginal improvements it gives me over Win3.1. I'd love to dump it if I could do my 16-bit color work in Linux. -- John H. Kim There are only two industries that call their jokim@mit.edu customers 'users,' and one of them is illegal. ---------- End Forwarded message ---------- Since then, Bjoern reports he's gotten the latest XFree86 alpha driver to work in 16-bit and 24-bit modes. The 16-bit is displaced by about 40 pixels on the LCD, and the 24-bit mode flickers, but they work for him. I have not been able to get it to work. It comes up, doesn't lock up the graphics like it used to, but I get a blank screen. If I switch to a terminal session and back, I can see the X desktop for an instant before it goes black again. So it's working, it's just not displaying properly. I haven't had time to figure out what the problem is, and all my mail to Bjoern has bounced. If you get it to work, I'd love a copy of your XF86Config file. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 11:24:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15459; Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:24:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11233; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:24:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:23:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11008; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:23:00 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11002; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:22:57 -0400 Received: from [128.125.223.186] (comserv-g-42.usc.edu [128.125.223.186]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id IAA19926; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:22:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:24:10 -0700 To: Rick Tait , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: whittle@usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: Modem already used by Dialup Networking in Win95? At 12:03 AM 7/11/96, Rick Tait wrote: >Folks, > >I am seeing this problem a *lot* on my 760c, but not on my 755cx. >Might anyone have nay ideas as to why this is happening? It's driving >me crazy! > >Basically, whenever I try and dialout using Dialup Networking, its >telling me that the modems are in use of Dialup Networking or another >program and that I should close the program and then I can use the >modem. This is of course untrue, as I am not using the modem neither >is another program. > >I can't even get extended diags via the modems control panel - it >says the "port is open". There are no conflicting interrupts or >anything like that. ANY suggestions? > >Two modems on this machine - 1xMWave DSP and 1x28.8 Megahertz XJack >PCMCIA card. The Megahertz works like a dream on the 755cx and indeed >when it works on the 760c it works fine too. > >Anyone seen anything like this before? > >Thanks, >/rickt >-- >PSA newbie, Unix cowboy, Internet junkie >Just another roadside casualty on the so-called 'Information Superhighway' > Rick, I get a similar problem on my 701C occasionally. Finally I realized it had something to do with when I plug it in or unplug the adapter during the same session. For some reason it thinks I'm using the modem or some such. The solution for me has been to either *leave* it plugged in (or unplugged) and/or reboot it when I get that message. PITA, I know, but I don't know of another way. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle USC Graduate School of Business Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 11:32:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15644; Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:32:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12014; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:31:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:30:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11845; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:30:30 -0400 Received: from Princeton.EDU (root@Princeton.EDU [128.112.128.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11828; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:30:27 -0400 Received: from dvorak.Princeton.EDU by Princeton.EDU (5.65b/2.125/princeton) id AA20299; Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:29:16 -0400 Received: by dvorak.Princeton.EDU (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI.AUTO) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id LAA25276; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:29:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199607111529.LAA25276@dvorak.Princeton.EDU> From: jtoth@Princeton.EDU (Gabor J.Toth) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:29:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: "John H. Kim" "Re: 16bpp and above on Linux/XFree86 on 701C" (Jul 11, 11:10am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 16bpp and above on Linux/XFree86 on 701C > Since then, Bjoern reports he's gotten the latest XFree86 alpha driver > to work in 16-bit and 24-bit modes. The 16-bit is displaced by about > 40 pixels on the LCD, and the 24-bit mode flickers, but they work for > him. Is it still a palette of 256 colors only? Or is there any way to get more then 256 colors on your screen? -,- - - -,- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gabor J.Toth jtoth@princeton.edu http://www.princeton.edu/~jtoth - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 11:52:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16833; Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:52:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13740; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:51:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:49:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13464; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:49:10 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13454; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:49:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id LAA10884; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:50:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:50:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: "Gabor J.Toth" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 16bpp and above on Linux/XFree86 on 701C In-Reply-To: <199607111529.LAA25276@dvorak.Princeton.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, Gabor J.Toth wrote: > > Since then, Bjoern reports he's gotten the latest XFree86 alpha driver > > to work in 16-bit and 24-bit modes. The 16-bit is displaced by about > > 40 pixels on the LCD, and the 24-bit mode flickers, but they work for > > him. > > Is it still a palette of 256 colors only? Or is there any way to get > more then 256 colors on your screen? The hi-color modes have no palette, palette being defined as a set of colors from which a smaller number may be displayed simultaneously. (S)VGA cards use a lookup table to assign a certain color from the 262,144 color (18 bit) VGA palette to each of 256 color slots. 16-bit mode can display 65,536 colors simultaneously. 24-bit mode could display 16,777,216 colors simultaneously if you had that many pixels on your screen. Both of these modes will do >256 colors with ease. The 16-bit mode will actually be *poorer* than 8-bit (256 color) mode if you're using 256 or fewer shades of the same color. 16-bit mode assigns 5 bits to RB and 6 bits to G. 8-bit uses a palette based on 8 bits for all RGB. If you're only using 256 shades, the 8-bit mode can do finer gradiation. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 13:44:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21702; Thu, 11 Jul 96 13:44:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24519; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:43:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:34:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23814; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:34:47 -0400 Received: from hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.104]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23791; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:34:42 -0400 Received: (from mfukatsu@localhost) by hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.9/ELEE) id KAA16784; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:34:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:34:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Fukatsu To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Installing Redhat 3.0.3 on TP755CD Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I want to install Redhat on my Thinkpad, but when I try to use the floppyless install from CD, my kernel freezes right after mounting the CDROM. I don't see any way around this so I'm thinking about starting with the 3 floppies. My question is this. Is it possible top install off the CD using the floppies? I have installed Slackware 3.0 in the past and had to install the A disk set from a DOS partition before I could install off the CD, because you can't have the floppy as your root disk if you need to swap out the floppy for the CDROM drive. It seems that Redhat would have the same problem. Does anyone have any suggestions? (I sure wish that floppyless install worked....) -Mike -- mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu mfukatsu@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu http://www.elee.calpoly.edu/~mfukatsu/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 15:04:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25981; Thu, 11 Jul 96 15:04:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01794; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:03:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:00:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01549; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:00:52 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01535; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:00:41 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA13903; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199607111859.LAA13903@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: Re: Installing Redhat 3.0.3 on TP755CD To: mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (Michael Fukatsu) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Michael Fukatsu" at Jul 11, 96 10:34:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I want to install Redhat on my Thinkpad, but when I try to use the > floppyless install from CD, my kernel freezes right after mounting the > CDROM. I don't see any way around this so I'm thinking about starting > with the 3 floppies. My question is this. Is it possible top install > off the CD using the floppies? I have installed Slackware 3.0 in the > past and had to install the A disk set from a DOS partition before I > could install off the CD, because you can't have the floppy as your root > disk if you need to swap out the floppy for the CDROM drive. It seems > that Redhat would have the same problem. Does anyone have any > suggestions? (I sure wish that floppyless install worked....) i had the same frustration installing slackware. however, the A disks aren't that large, and installing them from the DOS partition was pretty simple. be sure to also include the kernel series (i think it's K) so that you can pick a kenel that supports your CD-ROM. then you can do the other packages from CD when you boot on your new kernel. there are a lot of other CD-issued products that require the simultaneous use of CD and floppy, and it's darn annoying. so far it's Windows NT (although the alterative of a Network Install exists for me) and the Adaptek drivers for my SlimSCSI PCMCIA card (which, fortunately, windows95 doesn't requre). in general, i wish manufacturers would get a clue about how many laptop users can have one or the other but not both ... -m- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 17:48:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05707; Thu, 11 Jul 96 17:48:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18893; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:48:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:43:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18363; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:43:41 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18351; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:43:22 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:12:44 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960711211242.0066d568@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> X-Sender: ui2k@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:12:42 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: PCMCIA joystick adapter? More of a followup, but what does that mean: "supports clock speeds ranging..." (see quote below...) AFAIK, the clock-speed was relevant back in the earliest days of PCs, when from XT to AT the clock _and_ the bus speed increased, and sometine in the later mid-eighties, when overclocking of the motherboard including the ISA-Bus were common. In the last decade or so, this must have been irrelevant, since the ISA-bus is hardly coupled to the CPU. And in the case of a PC-Card (formerly PCMFBI...), this should be absolutely irrelevant, since the bus-speed of the card is way slower than the CPU, anyway... If the AD-converter, which is basically what the game-port is, could do 200 MHz, wow! - instant oscilloscope! Decode FM-Radio - watch VHF-TV - read ham-morse-code... I just _had_ to say that... Axel <[snip] >This PCMCIA (PC Card) adapter lets you connect your joystick up to your >laptop! The Game PC Card is compatible with type 2 and 3 PCMCIA slots and >supports CPU clock speed ranging from 8 MHz to 200 MHz. It features an industry-standard >15-pin joystick port allowing you to connect any IBM PC compatible controller. >[snip] ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 20:38:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13717; Thu, 11 Jul 96 20:38:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02079; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:37:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:34:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01610; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:34:14 -0400 Received: from cdale1.midwest.net (root@cdale1.midwest.net [204.248.40.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01604; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:34:12 -0400 Received: from decatur13.midwest.net (decatur13.midwest.net [206.158.68.13]) by cdale1.midwest.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA22080 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:32:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:32:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199607120032.TAA22080@cdale1.midwest.net> X-Sender: sboland@midwest.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: sboland@midwest.net (Stan Boland) Subject: Thinkpad and voice over internet I am having trouble using a TP with several different voice programs (Webtalk, Televox, IPhone). Has anyone out there used a TPad with these programs or any other voice program. Stan Boland Blazer Travel sboland@midwest.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 11 20:48:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14057; Thu, 11 Jul 96 20:48:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03075; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:47:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:45:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02704; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:45:27 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02667; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:45:07 -0400 Received: from liv-11.rust.net (liv-11.rust.net [206.42.195.111]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA10874 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960711204624.1d0f4e9c@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: Question PCMCIA I'm running a Megahertz 28.8 cellular pcmcia modem at full 28.8. He's a copy of my Trumpet screen: CARRIER Transmit: 28800 Receive: 28800 V.34 I use the IBM drivers under Win 3.11 on a 701C. Very seldom does it not do 28.8. B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 12 11:40:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02425; Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:40:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15642; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:39:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:32:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14994; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:32:05 -0400 Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14937; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:31:50 -0400 Received: from bo.execpc.com (bo.execpc.com [169.207.9.138]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04829; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:31:35 -0500 (CDT) From: kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: sboland@midwest.net (Stan Boland) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad and voice over internet Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:32:08 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <31e66f6a.72615573@mailgate.execpc.com> References: <199607120032.TAA22080@cdale1.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <199607120032.TAA22080@cdale1.midwest.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:32:33 -0500 (CDT), you wrote: >I am having trouble using a TP with several different voice programs >(Webtalk, Televox, IPhone). Has anyone out there used a TPad with these >programs or any other voice program. I'm new to all this, but I thought you can not use the modem at 28.8 speed *and* play sound. I know I couldn't the other day (couldn't play a .WAV file while I was logged in on the Internet). Someone else a while back said you'd have to go at 14.4 speed to do that (I haven't tried that yet).. The reason is that the Mwave chip handles the modem and the sound and it apparently can't quite do it all. Corrections welcome to this information - I could be wrong. Tom Kustner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 12 13:33:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08414; Fri, 12 Jul 96 13:33:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25023; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:32:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:28:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24692; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:28:03 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@Eisner.DECUS.Org [192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24685; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:28:00 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I6ZJKJQ87K002AG9@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:27:42 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: Thinkpad and voice over internet In-Reply-To: <31e66f6a.72615573@mailgate.execpc.com> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <837192462.706000.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > I'm new to all this, but I thought you can not use the modem at 28.8 > speed *and* play sound. I know I couldn't the other day (couldn't > play a .WAV file while I was logged in on the Internet). I don't do this very often but with Netscape and .wav file sounds I don't have any trouble running at 28.8 and receiving them. I'd heard the same thing you did, and was pretty surprized the first time I tried this - it worked! I think real audio worked too (can't recall). Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 12 14:09:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10271; Fri, 12 Jul 96 14:09:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27476; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:08:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:01:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27026; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:01:23 -0400 Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27008; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:01:08 -0400 Received: from core.fibertron.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id NAA25627; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:45:11 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by core.fibertron.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA11069; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:59:22 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960712180130.0096e21c@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:01:30 -0600 To: billy@mix.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Thinkpad and voice over internet At 01:27 PM 7/12/96 -0400, billy@mix.com wrote: >> I'm new to all this, but I thought you can not use the modem at 28.8 >> speed *and* play sound. I know I couldn't the other day (couldn't >> play a .WAV file while I was logged in on the Internet). > >I don't do this very often but with Netscape and .wav file sounds I >don't have any trouble running at 28.8 and receiving them. I'd heard >the same thing you did, and was pretty surprized the first time I >tried this - it worked! I think real audio worked too (can't recall). It depends on the ThinkPad. This got to be possible starting about with the 755CX. Before that, the Mwave was a little less capable, and doing both v.34 and sound taxed it too heavily (I suspect compression as the culprit). FWIW and YMMV. ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 13 00:10:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11314; Sat, 13 Jul 96 00:10:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13869; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:09:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:04:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13045; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:04:07 -0400 Received: from paris.ics.uci.edu (mmdf@paris.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13039; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:04:04 -0400 Received: from cy4.ics.uci.edu by paris.ics.uci.edu id aa09391; 12 Jul 96 20:49 PDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 701 -- video-out under Win95? Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:49:28 -0700 From: Joe Hummel Message-Id: <9607122049.aa09391@paris.ics.uci.edu> Hi all. I've got a 701 problem I can't figure out... I want to hook a monitor to my thinkpad, which I do via the multiport adaptor. When I then boot my TP, I see the self-test info and the RAM test on both the laptop screen and the monitor, but as soon as win95 starts booting the monitor goes blank. Any ideas? One strange note: when win95 is running, if I go into the 701 config utility (FN+F1), the monitor then functions properly and I see the config screen on both the laptop and the monitor. Then when I exit the config util, the monitor goes blank. Thanks in advance, - joe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 13 01:36:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14561; Sat, 13 Jul 96 01:36:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18223; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:35:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:33:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18006; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:33:24 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18000; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:33:16 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uexHj-001Cn1C; Fri, 12 Jul 96 23:30 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960713053329.0096dd44@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:33:29 -0600 To: Joe Hummel , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: TP 701 -- video-out under Win95? At 08:49 PM 7/12/96 -0700, Joe Hummel wrote: >Hi all. I've got a 701 problem I can't figure out... I want to >hook a monitor to my thinkpad, which I do via the multiport adaptor. >When I then boot my TP, I see the self-test info and the RAM test >on both the laptop screen and the monitor, but as soon as win95 starts >booting the monitor goes blank. Any ideas? > >One strange note: when win95 is running, if I go into the 701 config >utility (FN+F1), the monitor then functions properly and I see the >config screen on both the laptop and the monitor. Then when I exit >the config util, the monitor goes blank. Are you sure the monitor can handle the synch rate that you're feeding it from the Thinkpad? If it's new and high-end, then obviously it can. If it's not...... What happens when you try to put it *only* on the monitor? ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 13 05:35:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23551; Sat, 13 Jul 96 05:35:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11378; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 05:35:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 13 Jul 1996 05:32:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10666; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 05:32:13 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@ppp2.lugs.org.sg [203.127.221.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10620; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 05:32:03 -0400 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uf1Aj-0002BnC; Sat, 13 Jul 96 17:39 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA00132; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:30:29 +0800 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:30:28 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: Joe Hummel Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 701 -- video-out under Win95? In-Reply-To: <9607122049.aa09391@paris.ics.uci.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Hi all. I've got a 701 problem I can't figure out... I want to > hook a monitor to my thinkpad, which I do via the multiport adaptor. > When I then boot my TP, I see the self-test info and the RAM test > on both the laptop screen and the monitor, but as soon as win95 starts > booting the monitor goes blank. Any ideas? > One strange note: when win95 is running, if I go into the 701 config > utility (FN+F1), the monitor then functions properly and I see the > config screen on both the laptop and the monitor. Then when I exit > the config util, the monitor goes blank. Ever tried SETTING the 701 to display to the monitor ??? I know this may be dumb, but sometimes even I myself forget to press FN+F7 to set switch between LCD/CRT/LCD+CRT. Give it a try :) If not, try checking out the video drivers for ur vga drivers. Also, next time, try booting up the system (LCD only) and after everything starts up (after he boot sequence) then switch to CRT or LCD+CRT. (The LCD+CRT mode seems to use a lower sync freq which works on most VGA monitor) Lastly if driven to desperation, use dos. A text mode display WOULD work on any VGA monitors.. I hope :) Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 13 07:32:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01024; Sat, 13 Jul 96 07:32:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14548; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 06:33:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 13 Jul 1996 06:32:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14462; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 06:32:14 -0400 Received: from portal.chevron.com (portal.chevron.com [192.131.127.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14456; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 06:32:10 -0400 Received: by portal.chevron.com id AA08465 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu); Sat, 13 Jul 1996 03:32:04 -0700 Received: by portal.chevron.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Sat, 13 Jul 1996 03:32:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Davenport, Clyde R (crda)" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Video Resolution Problems Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 03:31:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 13 TEXT Hi All, I seem to be having a problem configuring my 755CD to use 800 x 600 on my IBM 9524 monitor. It has worked in the past but somewhere in my travels and switching from Docked to Undocked the configuration has changed. I have tried configuring it via Thinkpad/Display and also under Win95 Display but it does not work. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Clyde Davenport crda@chevron.com 510-842-5016 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 13 13:43:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05894; Sat, 13 Jul 96 13:43:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07639; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:42:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:36:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07291; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:36:19 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07285; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:36:12 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Sat, 13 Jul 1996 19:35:40 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960713173540.00671624@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> X-Sender: ui2k@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:35:40 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: TP 701 -- video-out under Win95? Hi all Butterfliers out there! >>Hi all. I've got a 701 problem I can't figure out... I want to >>hook a monitor to my thinkpad, which I do via the multiport adaptor. >>When I then boot my TP, I see the self-test info and the RAM test >>on both the laptop screen and the monitor, but as soon as win95 starts >>booting the monitor goes blank. Any ideas? >> >>One strange note: when win95 is running, if I go into the 701 config >>utility (FN+F1), the monitor then functions properly and I see the >>config screen on both the laptop and the monitor. Then when I exit >>the config util, the monitor goes blank. I think it has to do with the color-depth. A while ago, I did a presentation with the 701, via overhead-display hooked up to the port-replicator... I had some trouble with that, too, but I think with Descent (I always trouble_shoot_ with games...), it worked double-screen. As far as I can recall, double-screen only worked with 265 colors (or less), not with the 16bit I usually use under win95. By the way, when I'm in win95 with 16bit color, and a DOS-box is opened, is scrambles my display. It is ok if I F1 into BIOS and ESC back, but it is a bit annoying when selfextractors use a DOS-box... keep foldin' those keyboards, axel ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 13 18:02:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13586; Sat, 13 Jul 96 18:02:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23219; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:01:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:55:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22716; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:55:10 -0400 Received: from ns.interserf.net (root@ns.interserf.net [205.244.8.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22699; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:55:04 -0400 Received: from serfer25.interserf.net (serfer25.interserf.net [205.244.8.44]) by ns.interserf.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA07717 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:12:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:12:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199607132212.SAA07717@ns.interserf.net> X-Sender: vicgonzlez@interserf.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vic Gonzalez Subject: 701C parallel port pass thru devices Hi folks - Has anyone had any luck getting parallel port pass thru devices working with the 701C. I'm trying to use my thinkpad (running WIN 3.1) with the multiport II port replicator and an Easyphoto parallel port scanner. My printer will still work but it won't recognize the scanner. I had a similar problem when I was trying to use a parallel port CD-ROM. I finally gave up. I'm getting ready to take this back too. :( Does anyone have any success stories and maybe some tips or pointers on how to get these kind of devices to work on the 701s? Thanks for any help or insight. -Vic From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 13 18:47:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15176; Sat, 13 Jul 96 18:47:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25895; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:47:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:46:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25740; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:46:07 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25732; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:46:00 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0ufDPC-001CtEC; Sat, 13 Jul 96 16:43 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960713224617.0097e3b4@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 16:46:17 -0600 To: Vic Gonzalez , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: 701C parallel port pass thru devices At 06:12 PM 7/13/96 -0400, Vic Gonzalez wrote: >Hi folks - > Has anyone had any luck getting parallel port pass thru devices working >with the 701C. I'm trying to use my thinkpad (running WIN 3.1) with the >multiport II port replicator and an Easyphoto parallel port scanner. My >printer will still work but it won't recognize the scanner. I had a similar >problem when I was trying to use a parallel port CD-ROM. I finally gave up. >I'm getting ready to take this back too. :( There have been major problems with the BIOS support for advanced parallel port functions. Early on in the life of the 701, we needed a number of BIOS upgrades to get a parallel-port CD-ROM to work consistently (and then, frankly, it didn't always work!). My advice is to make sure you have a fairly recent BIOS installed, and, if you do, call IBM and talk with them about any known problems with the current 701 BIOS level and the parallel port. ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 13 18:52:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15280; Sat, 13 Jul 96 18:52:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26172; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:51:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:50:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26044; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:50:37 -0400 Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26025; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:50:34 -0400 Received: from milou.jrn.columbia.edu (dialup205.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.36.205]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id SAA16644; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960713225023.00873b70@jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:50:23 -0400 To: ibm-tp500@virginia.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Yann Nicolas Subject: PCMCIA CD-ROM drive? This is more of a general laptop-related question, but I'm looking for a good PCMCIA CD-ROM drive. I'd like something that takes its power from the laptop instead of having to carry yet another power supply... I'm looking at a quad-speed or above... SCSI-2 PCMCIA interface should be included... Thanks in advance for any advice/experiences/tips... PS: it's for use with a ThinkPad 701c. -- Yann Nicolas Systems Manager - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 13 22:41:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22746; Sat, 13 Jul 96 22:41:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08813; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 22:40:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 13 Jul 1996 22:36:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08414; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 22:36:32 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08408; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 22:36:28 -0400 From: Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA26148 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 02:36:20 GMT Received: from slip166-72-214-90.ca.us.ibm.net(166.72.214.90) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaBxECKs; Sun Jul 14 02:36:07 1996 Received: by slip166-72-214-90.ca.us.ibm.net (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0051; Sat, 13 Jul 96 19:37:52 -0700 Message-Id: <9607140237.AA0051@slip166-72-214-90.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 96 19:32:03 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: 701C parallel port pass thru devices X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <50_120_1_837300723> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 701C parallel port pass thru devices > > Hi folks - > Has anyone had any luck getting parallel port pass thru devices working > with the 701C. I'm trying to use my thinkpad (running WIN 3.1) with the > multiport II port replicator and an Easyphoto parallel port scanner. My > printer will still work but it won't recognize the scanner. I had a similar > problem when I was trying to use a parallel port CD-ROM. I finally gave up. > I'm getting ready to take this back too. :( > Well, this won't be of much help except to show that it works for someone. I've used a parallel port CD-ROM since I got my 701C in May. In fact the day I got it I formatted the hard drive and installed Warp Connect from a CD-ROM. I did that with the BIOS which came with the 701C but have since upgraded to BUTUS30. Two weeks ago I bought a 1GB drive for my 701C and again installed Warp Connect from my CD-ROM via the parallel port. Since we don't use windows I don't know whether it would work but I doubt that this would be the difference. Good luck, Lee ||-----------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net OR laniear@netcom.com || || "Free advice is seldom cheap" || || 69th Ferengi Rule of of Acquisition || ||-----------------------------------------|| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 14 08:00:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25843; Sun, 14 Jul 96 08:00:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17232; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 07:59:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 14 Jul 1996 07:53:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16966; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 07:53:19 -0400 Received: from fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (fub46.fddi1.fu-berlin.de [160.45.1.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16957; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 07:53:08 -0400 Received: by fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.29.1) id ; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:53:05 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Subject: 701 Keyboard To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:53:04 +0200 (MES) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text The keyboard of my 701 is extremely stiffy and I don't know if this holds for all 701s or if its just characteristic of the one I got. I use an old 720 and a 755CX, and I have used some of the 350 Series - all of them being easier to use. Has anyone the same problem and, possibly, got a replacement? Does it make sense trying to get a replacement? (Some day, I read that after some time the keyboard would get more responsive but this doesn't seem to be the case). Or is there something one can do with the rubber beneath the keys (which is responsible for this 'obstacle' to fast typing). Thanks for your comments Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 14 09:10:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28054; Sun, 14 Jul 96 09:10:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21619; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:10:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:08:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21390; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:08:00 -0400 Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21383; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:07:53 -0400 Received: from milou.jrn.columbia.edu (dialup217.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.36.217]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id JAA19423 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960714130741.0084a7d0@jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:07:41 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Yann Nicolas Subject: Re: 701 Keyboard >Has anyone the same problem and, possibly, got a replacement? >Does it make sense trying to get a replacement? (Some day, I read >that after some time the keyboard would get more responsive >but this doesn't seem to be the case). Or is there something one >can do with the rubber beneath the keys (which is responsible >for this 'obstacle' to fast typing). Mine's stiff as well, but not as much as it used to be... I've had my 701 for about 2 month now and it gets better in time (I use it about 12 hours a day)... -- Yann Nicolas Systems Manager - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 14 09:32:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28782; Sun, 14 Jul 96 09:32:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22890; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:32:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:30:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22798; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:30:54 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22791; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:30:52 -0400 Received: from liv-20.rust.net (liv-20.rust.net [206.42.195.120]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23236 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 09:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960714093212.2b87346c@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: 701 Keyboard >Has anyone the same problem and, possibly, got a replacement? >Does it make sense trying to get a replacement? (Some day, I read >that after some time the keyboard would get more responsive >but this doesn't seem to be the case). Or is there something one >can do with the rubber beneath the keys (which is responsible >for this 'obstacle' to fast typing). I have had my 701C for some 7 to 8 months. I would say the keyboard is getting a little better but the real truth, I've learned how to press them. High speed typing it will never be, but at 4.5 lbs it's out of this world. B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 14 10:27:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00481; Sun, 14 Jul 96 10:27:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25885; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 10:27:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 14 Jul 1996 10:24:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25537; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 10:24:12 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25530; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 10:24:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id KAA03243; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 10:25:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 10:25:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Keyboard In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960714093212.2b87346c@rust.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Does it make sense trying to get a replacement? (Some day, I read >that after some time the keyboard would get more responsive >but this doesn't seem to be the case). Or is there something one I complained about the left side of the keyboard being loose when I pushed on the trackpoint. The new keyboard seemed much softer - I never mis-hit the left-shift key like I used to. The keyboard was replaced again recently, and the looseness with the trackpoint is back but the keyboard is still soft. Try asking to get it replaced. After all, you paid top dollar for your computer, it should at least be comfortable to type on. The keys tend to feel hard if you don't hit them straight on. You could also try adjusting your typing position. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 05:08:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10233; Mon, 15 Jul 96 05:08:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07324; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 05:07:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 04:55:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06323; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 04:55:00 -0400 Received: from glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (glacier-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06316; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 04:54:57 -0400 Received: from era-t.ericsson.se (era-t.ericsson.se [147.214.76.10]) by glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/glacier-0.9) with SMTP id KAA29063; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:54:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from granite (granite.ericsson.se) by era-t.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.0-LME1.4) id AA15631; Mon, 15 Jul 96 10:54:23 +0200 From: James.Peroulas@era-t.ericsson.se (James Peroulas T/RG) Received: by granite (SMI-8.6/client-1.3) id KAA14068; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:57:14 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:57:14 +0200 Message-Id: <199607150857.KAA14068@granite> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, vicgonzlez@interserf.net Subject: Re: 701C parallel port pass thru devices Cc: erajper@era-t.ericsson.se X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > >Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:12:56 -0400 >From: Vic Gonzalez >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: 701C parallel port pass thru devices >Message-Id: <199607132212.SAA07717@ns.interserf.net> > >Hi folks - > Has anyone had any luck getting parallel port pass thru devices working >with the 701C. I'm trying to use my thinkpad (running WIN 3.1) with the >multiport II port replicator and an Easyphoto parallel port scanner. My >printer will still work but it won't recognize the scanner. I had a similar >problem when I was trying to use a parallel port CD-ROM. I finally gave up. >I'm getting ready to take this back too. :( > > Does anyone have any success stories and maybe some tips or pointers on >how to get these kind of devices to work on the 701s? > > Thanks for any help or insight. >-Vic It's been a long time but I have managed to get a parallel port tape backup and a parallel port scanner to work with the 701. I did have some problems and I think they had to do with an IRQ conflict. I think that the sound card, by default, has the same IRQ setting as the parallel port. Try disabling _everything_ including the trackpoint. Once you get it to work that way, start re-enabling things until it stops working. Then, you know what the problem is. Good luck, JP From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 07:32:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12436; Mon, 15 Jul 96 07:32:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20307; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:32:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:30:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20037; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:30:18 -0400 Received: from portal.chevron.com (portal.chevron.com [192.131.127.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20018; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:30:13 -0400 Received: by portal.chevron.com id AA02348 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 04:30:07 -0700 Received: by portal.chevron.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 04:30:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Davenport, Clyde R (crda)" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FW: Video Resolution Problems Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 04:29:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 11 TEXT >Hi All, >I seem to be having a problem configuring my 755CD to use 800 x 600 >on my IBM 9524 monitor. It has worked in the past but somewhere in >my travels and switching from Docked to Undocked the configuration has >changed. > >I have tried configuring it via Thinkpad/Display and also under Win95 >Display >but it does not work. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >Thank you > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 08:14:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13330; Mon, 15 Jul 96 08:14:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22774; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:14:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:12:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22579; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:12:39 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22570; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:12:35 -0400 Received: from ricktait (dfw-tx10-02.ix.netcom.com [199.183.201.130]) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) with SMTP id HAA28026 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:12:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199607151212.HAA28026@psa.pencom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Rick Tait" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:17:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Good price on 16MB DIMM for 760c? Reply-To: rickt@psa.pencom.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Subject says it all. Where can I get a good price for a 16MB DIMM for my 760c? Mail order is fine, and a reputable company would be nice too. Thanks in advance, /rickt From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 08:14:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13332; Mon, 15 Jul 96 08:14:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22772; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:14:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:12:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22591; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:12:40 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22574; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:12:38 -0400 Received: from ricktait (dfw-tx10-02.ix.netcom.com [199.183.201.130]) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) with SMTP id HAA28023 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:12:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199607151212.HAA28023@psa.pencom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Rick Tait" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:17:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Win95 & Thinkpads Reply-To: rickt@psa.pencom.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) I'm running both my Thinkpads (755cx & 760c) with Win95, and I don't have any of the Thinkpad Features programs that the manual is always referring to. I have my MWave DSP's working, I have updated the system program as recommended by IBM, but I just don't have the Features stuff (whatever it does). Do I need it? Where do I get it? What stuff aside from regular Win95 are you folks on this list running on your Win95 Thinkpads? Thanks in advance, /rickt From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 08:47:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14518; Mon, 15 Jul 96 08:47:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25669; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:46:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:44:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25300; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:44:10 -0400 Received: from mhv.net (root@csbh.mhv.net [199.0.0.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25294; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:44:08 -0400 Received: from taifun (monroe-201.dialup.frontiercomm.net) by mhv.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA21848; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:45:42 -0400 Sender: yce@mhv.net Message-Id: <31EA2B86.73173882@mhv.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:29:10 -0400 From: Yves-Chandler Eynard X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.3.92 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: rickt@psa.pencom.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 & Thinkpads References: <199607151212.HAA28023@psa.pencom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick Tait wrote: > > I'm running both my Thinkpads (755cx & 760c) with Win95, and I don't > have any of the Thinkpad Features programs that the manual is always > referring to. I have my MWave DSP's working, I have updated the > system program as recommended by IBM, but I just don't have the > Features stuff (whatever it does). > > Do I need it? Where do I get it? What stuff aside from regular Win95 > are you folks on this list running on your Win95 Thinkpads? The 'features' consist of some appletts, some handy, some not, but small and worth the drive space. (the type that you don't notice until you *need* them) You should be able to grab them from IBM's web site (www.pc.ibm.com, I think... maybe it's www.ibm.pc.com.. whatever). -- Yves-Chandler Eynard yves@mhv.net OCTET International From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 08:50:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14782; Mon, 15 Jul 96 08:50:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25861; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:49:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:48:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25749; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:48:33 -0400 Received: from mhv.net (root@csbh.mhv.net [199.0.0.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25743; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:48:31 -0400 Received: from taifun (monroe-201.dialup.frontiercomm.net) by mhv.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA22207; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:50:25 -0400 Sender: yce@mhv.net Message-Id: <31EA2CA5.7DA41159@mhv.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:33:57 -0400 From: Yves-Chandler Eynard X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.3.92 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755cx and virtual screens Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used to have a virtual screen on my thinkpad. 1024x768 as I recall and the mouse was used to pan the display (like X). Now on a reinstall of the same o/s (win95, ugh) I've seemed to have lost that feature. Where did it go? I though I installed all the goodies, and the program that I used to set that virtuosity (Display) now does not offer the virtual screen option (or any of the lcd options for that matter save for the vertical expansion). Thanks in advance. -- Yves-Chandler Eynard yves@mhv.net OCTET International From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 09:04:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15297; Mon, 15 Jul 96 09:04:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27130; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:04:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:02:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26936; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:02:45 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26930; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:02:42 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id IAA29548; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:58:18 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA5130; Mon, 15 Jul 96 08:56:41 -0700 Message-Id: <9607151556.AA5130@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id D461B4623A9E3FAE852563680046E7C2; Mon, 15 Jul 96 08:56:41 EDT To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 15 Jul 96 8:56:13 EDT Subject: Re: Win 95 & Thinkpads X-Lotus-Type: Memo w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...Do I need it? Where do I get it? What stuff aside from regular Win95 are you folks on this list running on your Win95 Thinkpads?..." ~~~~~ i don't know if it's necessary or not (i just use it as a matter of routine), but here it is: http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tpsu.html#755S Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 12:51:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26677; Mon, 15 Jul 96 12:51:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19106; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:50:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:45:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18667; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:45:04 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18638; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:44:58 -0400 Received: from eng.conic.lmco.com ([158.185.125.202]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA11152; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:43:39 -0700 Received: from ENGINEERING/SpoolDir by eng.conic.lmco.com (Mercury 1.21); 15 Jul 96 09:46:20 PDT Received: from SpoolDir by ENGINEERING (Mercury 1.21); 15 Jul 96 09:46:19 PDT From: "Tom Franklin" Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instr. To: rickt@psa.pencom.com Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:46:12 PDT Subject: Re: Good price on 16MB DIMM for 760c? Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <549B8D164C@eng.conic.lmco.com> > Where can I get a good price for a 16MB DIMM for my 760c? > Mail order is fine, and a reputable company would be nice too. I am in the process of buying one from a local company called The Chip Merchant. They do mail order also, I think. Their URL is: http://www.thechipmerchant.com. They quoted me $216 for a 16MB DIMM for my TP760C. Their local number is (619) 268-4774. They give a life time warranty and through my experience are reputable. Good Luck. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 14:30:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00315; Mon, 15 Jul 96 14:30:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27290; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:29:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:27:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27028; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:27:18 -0400 Received: from pointer.netpoint.net (pointer.netpoint.net [198.69.200.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27016; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:27:08 -0400 Received: from mailhub.netpoint.net (dppp26.netpoint.net [198.69.200.126]) by pointer.netpoint.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA10269; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:09:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199607151809.OAA10269@pointer.netpoint.net> To: "Tom Franklin" , Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.99e) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:16:37 EST From: Bill Schwartz Reply-To: Bill Schwartz Subject: Re: Good price on 16MB DIMM for 760c? Addressed to: "Tom Franklin" Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "Tom Franklin" Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:46:12 PDT We are authorized re-sellers of MPM who is the only mfg of authorized IBM memory for the Thinkpad series. I believe Chip Merchant only gives two or three year warranty not lifetime as MPM does. MPM is also the only vendor who give international service agreements backed by IBM. We are offering that dimm for $300.00 with all of the MPM and IBM benifts. Bill > > Where can I get a good price for a 16MB DIMM for my 760c? > > Mail order is fine, and a reputable company would be nice too. > > I am in the process of buying one from a local company called The > Chip Merchant. They do mail order also, I think. Their URL is: > http://www.thechipmerchant.com. They quoted me $216 for a 16MB DIMM > for my TP760C. Their local number is (619) 268-4774. They give a > life time warranty and through my experience are reputable. Good > Luck. HIGH PERFORMANCE CARTRIDGES INC> PO BOX 545890 SURFSIDE, FL. 33154 FAX 1-305-864-7367 URL: http://www.netpoint.net/hpcart/hpcart.html Advanced Memory Systems For IBM Thinkpads, and all PC"S From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 14:48:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01114; Mon, 15 Jul 96 14:48:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29257; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:47:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:45:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28939; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:45:32 -0400 Received: from gemini.adnc.com (gemini.adnc.com [206.251.228.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28919; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:45:28 -0400 Received: from jtp.adnc.com by gemini.adnc.com (SMI-8.6/SVR4 Mailer ADN 1/96) id LAA11426; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:46:32 -0700 Received: by jtp.adnc.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB7243.361769E0@jtp.adnc.com>; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:46:07 -0700 Message-Id: <01BB7243.361769E0@jtp.adnc.com> From: Joshua Gerber To: "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Good price on 16MB DIMM for 760c? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:46:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Bill Schwartz[SMTP:hpbill@netpoint.net] Sent: Monday, July 15, 1996 12:16 PM To: Tom Franklin; Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Good price on 16MB DIMM for 760c? We are authorized re-sellers of MPM who is the only mfg of authorized IBM memory for the Thinkpad series. I The *only* mfg of authorized IBM memory for Thinkpads? I don't think so.... ~josh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 20:12:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14314; Mon, 15 Jul 96 20:12:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27084; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:11:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:07:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26232; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:07:21 -0400 Received: from mailee.bellcore.com (mailee.bellcore.com [192.4.13.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26212; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:07:16 -0400 Received: from ernie.bellcore.com (hora.bellcore.com [192.4.4.124]) by mailee.bellcore.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA21838 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:18:34 -0400 Message-Id: <31EAD10A.6F0A@bellcore.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:15:22 -0400 From: ernie cohen Reply-To: ernie@bellcore.com Organization: bellcore X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5aGold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: not-so-easy-serve Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm breaking a three-year posting silence to share the saga of my futile attempts to get my 760CD serviced. Considering that the machine came 5.5 months after its first promised delivery date, I think this is my last ThinkPad. Near the end of May, my machine suddenly stopped working. I called it in and was told it needed to be serviced, either by easy-serve or by the local service place. Since I live on this machine, I took it to the local service place to save time (!). He immediately diagnosed the problem as needing a new cpu board. He called this in to IBM, but was told that he couldn't get a replacement part without a printed purchase order. (Never mind that every 760CD ever produced is still under warranty for several months.) After trying in vain to get a copy from the IBM distributor, the repair guy decided to send it directly to easy-serve as the path of least resistance. So it sat at easy-serve for about 25 days; every time I called, there were dozens of cpu boards due to come in within a couple of days. (For the final week, the boards were unable to clear customs (!?) ). Since I had to travel on business, I made specific arrangements with them to call me to get an address to ship to when the machine was repaired. In the middle of the trip, I checked voicemail to receive a message that the machine was fixed and that I had two hours to give them a different address to ship to or they would ship back to my home. Of course it was too late to stop delivery, so it sat there for a week waiting for me to return. When I arrived home and opened the box, I discovered the machine in pieces. Apparently, the two batteries shipped in the machine had somehow broken through the front panel of the base. I called IBM, figuring that they would want FedEx to inspect the box, but they said no, just send it back. I am now informed that the machine needs not only a new base but a new system board ($1200 or so total), which they want to charge to my company (since their QA department says that it is impossible for the damage to have been sustained in shipping). And of course it's not fixed yet. Just a little reality counterpoint for those waxing rhapsodic over IBM's legendary "service". From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 20:58:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18190; Mon, 15 Jul 96 20:58:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00658; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:58:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:56:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00426; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:56:39 -0400 Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com (dsd.northrop.com [153.113.2.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00407; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:56:25 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufyQo-0004y4C; Mon, 15 Jul 96 19:56 CDT Received: from astpc35.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0ufyPL-0002osC; Mon, 15 Jul 96 19:54 CDT Message-Id: From: "Scott A. Stratmoen" To: "ernie@bellcore.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 19:56:05 +0600 Reply-To: "Scott A. Stratmoen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Scott Stratmoen's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: not-so-easy-serve On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:15:22 -0400, ernie cohen wrote: > >Just a little reality counterpoint for those waxing rhapsodic over IBM's >legendary "service". > I should point out that after IBM held on to my 750 for over a month they shipped it back with the case trashed. After two calls to the CEO I received a settlement offer and accepted it. As the 750 was my personal system I didn't take no for an answer..... ____ Scott A. Stratmoen 847-259-9600 ex 4762 strat@dsd.northrop.com sstratmoen@radiomail.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 15 22:42:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21907; Mon, 15 Jul 96 22:42:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08607; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 22:41:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 15 Jul 1996 22:39:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08327; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 22:39:14 -0400 Received: from cdale1.midwest.net (root@cdale1.midwest.net [204.248.40.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08320; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 22:39:11 -0400 Received: from decatur27.midwest.net (decatur27.midwest.net [206.158.68.27]) by cdale1.midwest.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA24838 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:36:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:36:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199607160236.VAA24838@cdale1.midwest.net> X-Sender: sboland@midwest.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: sboland@midwest.net (Stan Boland) Subject: More on ThinkPad & Televox Voice over internet I'm still struggling along, trying to get this 755CE to work with voice over the internet. Suggestions that I have tried are: Reduce speed to 14400. Go to half duplex. Precede connection with AT-SSE=1 (Supposed to allow voice over data). It works OK right up to the point of making a connection and then hangs up the mouse buttons and all keys except Alt,Cntl,Del. Any other ideas out there? I sure appreciate those that I have received so far. Stan Boland Blazer Travel sboland@midwest.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 16 00:25:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23197; Tue, 16 Jul 96 00:25:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16729; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:24:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:21:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16455; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:21:41 -0400 Received: from orca.akula.com (root@orca.akula.com [206.216.189.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16443; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:21:33 -0400 Received: from [206.216.189.126] (dialup-26.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.126]) by orca.akula.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/akula) with SMTP id AAA32729 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:22:24 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 00:22:27 -0500 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: nil@akula.com (Stan Lobunets) Subject: test -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 16 02:14:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24964; Tue, 16 Jul 96 02:14:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23372; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 02:14:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 16 Jul 1996 02:11:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23060; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 02:11:34 -0400 Received: from judgmentday.rs.itd.umich.edu (judgmentday.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23054; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 02:11:31 -0400 Received: from tty2-10.tc.nd.edu by judgmentday.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) with SMTP id CAA21616; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 02:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607160611.CAA21616@judgmentday.rs.itd.umich.edu> From: "Gabriel Ash" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 01:11:45 Reply-To: "Gabriel Ash" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Gabriel Ash's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: WHAT SCSI ? Hello all. I would like to buy a PCMCIA SCSI card for my TP 701c. It runs on OS/2 Warp blue, single boot, with winos/2 support (which is heavily used). It is intended for use with a Taravan tape, a CD-rom and perhaps a zip-drive later on. Price *is* a consideration. Can anybody offer some advice on Do's and Dont's? Many Thanks ------------- Gabriel Ash Notre-Dame ------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 16 03:38:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27916; Tue, 16 Jul 96 03:38:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01078; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 03:37:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 16 Jul 1996 03:35:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00701; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 03:34:59 -0400 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (root@linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00689; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 03:34:54 -0400 Received: from warper.teuto.de by linteuto.teuto.de with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0ug4eH-000k73C; Tue, 16 Jul 96 09:34 MET DST Message-Id: From: "Philipp Adelt" To: "rickt@psa.pencom.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 09:34:37 +0100 Reply-To: "Philipp Adelt" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Philipp Adelt's Registered PMMail 1.5 Subject: Re: Win95 & Thinkpads On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:17:37 +0000, Rick Tait wrote: >[No feature applets installed] >Do I need it? Where do I get it? What stuff aside from regular Win95 >are you folks on this list running on your Win95 Thinkpads? They should be available on http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tps/dskt3.html If you don't find them, search for 755cx and 760c to find the files for your Thinkpads on http://204.146.167.73/searchfiles.html Good luck! Ciao, Philipp! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 16 03:38:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27921; Tue, 16 Jul 96 03:38:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01076; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 03:37:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 16 Jul 1996 03:35:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00853; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 03:35:37 -0400 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (root@linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00836; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 03:35:33 -0400 Received: from warper.teuto.de by linteuto.teuto.de with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0ug4eQ-000k7DC; Tue, 16 Jul 96 09:34 MET DST Message-Id: From: "Philipp Adelt" To: "rickt@psa.pencom.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 09:34:37 +0100 Reply-To: "Philipp Adelt" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Philipp Adelt's Registered PMMail 1.5 Subject: Re: Win95 & Thinkpads On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:17:37 +0000, Rick Tait wrote: >[No feature applets installed] >Do I need it? Where do I get it? What stuff aside from regular Win95 >are you folks on this list running on your Win95 Thinkpads? They should be available on http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tps/dskt3.html If you don't find them, search for 755cx and 760c to find the files for your Thinkpads on http://204.146.167.73/searchfiles.html Good luck! Ciao, Philipp! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 16 05:24:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00949; Tue, 16 Jul 96 05:24:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12752; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 05:23:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 16 Jul 1996 05:14:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10195; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 05:14:57 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10186; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 05:14:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id FAA11790; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 05:15:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 05:15:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: ernie cohen Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: not-so-easy-serve In-Reply-To: <31EAD10A.6F0A@bellcore.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, ernie cohen wrote: > When I arrived home and opened the box, I discovered the machine in > pieces. Apparently, the two batteries shipped in the machine had somehow > broken through the front panel of the base. I called IBM, figuring that > they would want FedEx to inspect the box, but they said no, just send it > back. I am now informed that the machine needs not only a new base but a > new system board ($1200 or so total), which they want to charge to my > company (since their QA department says that it is impossible for the > damage to have been sustained in shipping). And of course it's not fixed > yet. That's the same type of problem I ran into. Once their QA department judges how damage was sustained, anything you, the customer, have to say on the matter is worth zero to them. They are never wrong, so you must be lying... My 701 might be my last Thinkpad too. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 16 11:54:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21284; Tue, 16 Jul 96 11:54:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16536; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:53:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:46:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15889; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:46:24 -0400 Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15880; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:46:14 -0400 Received: from blueterrier.execpc.com (blueterrier.execpc.com [169.207.6.133]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01977 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:46:05 -0500 (CDT) From: kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Fax Manager for ProComm Plus 2.11 and Mwave modem Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:47:17 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <31ebb8ff.6525254@mailgate.execpc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 The Fax manager for ProComm Plus 2.11 doesn't work with the Mwave 28.8 modem on our Thinkpad. IBM is apparently aware of the problem but they offer no help. I haven't contacted Datastorm yet but do have the latest modem file, to no avail. Has anyone gotten this combination to work? This problem also exists for Aptiva users, since they have the same modem. Tom Kustner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 16 13:17:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22894; Tue, 16 Jul 96 13:17:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24152; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:17:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:10:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23469; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:10:30 -0400 Received: from mail2.pilot.net (mail2.pilot.net [198.232.147.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23458; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:10:27 -0400 From: Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248]) by mail2.pilot.net with SMTP id KAA09172 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 1ebcdef0; Tue, 16 Jul 96 10:14:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:14:07 -0700 Message-Id: <1ebcdef0@ima.jud.ca.gov> Subject: source for hard drives To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I'm looking for a source(s) for the low profile notepad hard drives that will fit into a Thinkpad 701. Also, does anyone have any comments regarding the PC Card hard drives? I'm interested in observations regading durability and compatibility across OSes. My system: Thinkpad 701C, 12 MB RAM (soon to be 24) OS(es): Warp 3.0, Win 3.11. Linux real-soon-now. Once I stabilize my hardware configuration, this should be a Warp/Linux box. Thanks in advance, Mitchell A. Yee mitchell_yee@jud.ca.gov From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 16 13:25:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23111; Tue, 16 Jul 96 13:25:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24885; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:24:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:23:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24642; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:23:07 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24636; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:23:02 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA12902 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199607161721.KAA12902@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: driver & BIOS updates To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:21:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi. i had a look at the offered files on IBM's web page for thinkpads and Windows 95. i would love to know whether any of these solve my current problem of not being able to hibernate under W95 ... but i wasn't able to find any information on what drivers have been updated, or are recommended to be updated, or anything like that. is there a list of recommended updates anywhere? -mykle- p.s. linux runs really well on my system -- all of the card management stuff works great, the hibernation and sleep modes work, power consumption is moderate, cards eject without hanging the system, etc. why can't windows95 get it together? sigh ... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 16 16:33:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29224; Tue, 16 Jul 96 16:33:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13468; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:31:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:27:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12871; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:27:10 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12852; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:27:06 -0400 Received: from eng.conic.lmco.com ([158.185.125.202]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA03670; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:26:36 -0700 Received: from ENGINEERING/SpoolDir by eng.conic.lmco.com (Mercury 1.21); 16 Jul 96 13:29:17 PDT Received: from SpoolDir by ENGINEERING (Mercury 1.21); 16 Jul 96 13:28:53 PDT From: "Tom Franklin" Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instr. To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:28:47 PDT Subject: Re: Good price on 16MB DIMM for 760c? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <7051F747A3@eng.conic.lmco.com> > I am in the process of buying one from a local company called The > Chip Merchant. They do mail order also, I think. Their URL is: > http://www.thechipmerchant.com. They quoted me $216 for a 16MB DIMM > for my TP760C. Their local number is (619) 268-4774. They give a > life time warranty and through my experience are reputable. Good > Luck. Well I got my 16MB DIMM and it works great. Apparently Chip Merchant does have a lifetime replacement warranty. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 16 19:10:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06422; Tue, 16 Jul 96 19:10:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26945; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 19:07:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 16 Jul 1996 19:04:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26573; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 19:04:02 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26567; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 19:03:58 -0400 Received: from dialin_23.enteract.com (dialin_23.enteract.com [206.54.253.38]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id SAA09044 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 18:03:35 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: source for hard drives Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:09:06 GMT Message-Id: <31ec1d70.2583030@smtp.enteract.com> References: <1ebcdef0@ima.jud.ca.gov> In-Reply-To: <1ebcdef0@ima.jud.ca.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 I've got a PC Card Hard drive in my 701C. Here are my comments: 1) If you stay with Windows and Warp, you'll need to download a small program with drivers that'll configure the drive. It's something like pcmata200.exe, I think. It works fine with Windows 3.11, and is unneeded for 95, which I'm using now. Caveat: When I upgraded to Windows 95, it wouldn't recognize the data on the drive. I let it format the drive as something it could read; I've since learned that if I'd used the app from IBM in DOS mode and loaded the old drivers, I could've moved the data onto my hard drive and *then* let Windows re-format the drive. 2) There doesn't seem to be any power management for pc card drives. While the drive eventually spins down, there is a constant low-pitched whine emitting from my speakers as long as the card is in the slot, even if I turn it off using Windows 95's capabilities. 3) They're rugged, or at least mine is. I've dropped the thing and had it sat on by guests too many times to count and never had a problem. And I bought mine used! By the way, it's a Mobilemax 131MB from Maxtor, doublespaced to 250MB, which is a lot of room considering my 701 came with a 360. I got it mostly because I don't like compressing my internal drive, and if the sucker was a 340MB model, I'd be in heaven, disk-space wise. I've never switched it with another system so I don't know how that works. Lots of laptop mags have ads for these, but they aren't cheap new. I'd love to from anyone who's found a good deal on these myself! epbrown On Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:14:07 -0700, you wrote: > I'm looking for a source(s) for the low profile notepad > hard drives that will fit into a Thinkpad 701. epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown for information about laptops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 00:33:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22713; Wed, 17 Jul 96 00:33:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22014; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 00:32:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 00:27:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21514; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 00:27:49 -0400 Received: from orca.akula.com (root@orca.akula.com [206.216.189.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21494; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 00:27:40 -0400 Received: from [206.216.189.115] (dialup-15.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.115]) by orca.akula.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/akula) with SMTP id AAA19367 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 00:28:30 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 00:28:35 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: nil@akula.com (Stan Lobunets) Subject: Linux of the 701 Hello, I have a TP701c DX4/75 24/540 running Win95. I just installed RedHat 3.0.3 Linux, and have some questions. I'm a total newbie in UNiX, so pardon my ignorance. The installation went pretty smoothly. When I got to the part where I had to specify options for MetroX (commercial X-server that ships with RedHat), things got a little confusing. There was no preset option for my laptop screen, so I chose Generic 640x480 13". There were two edit boxes to enter the width and the height of the display, but I didn't do it at first. When I started X, everything on the screen looked to big (the Control Panel, xclock, window title bars, etc.) I tried reinstalling, and this time specify the physicall dimensions of the screen, but that didn't seem to help. I also tried to use XF86 server, and use the settings I got from the Linux Laptop page, but couldn't start X at all (at least I learned how to use vi a little ;-)) If somebody is running MetroX, or has XF86config for TP701c, I'd appreciate some help. What's the deal with MetroX? Is it any better than XFree86? Also, I installed LILO, and it would display LI at startup and nothing else would happen. Adding 'linear' as the first line in lilo.conf didn't seem to change anything. Thanks for any help. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 17 02:18:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26439; Wed, 17 Jul 96 02:18:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23848; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:06:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:04:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23604; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:04:32 -0400 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca [206.75.222.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23595; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:04:27 -0400 Received: from dec.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA27396; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:04:19 -0600 From: pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) Received: by dec; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/05Apr96-0129PM) id AA29542; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:05:54 -0600 Message-Id: <9607170505.AA29542@dec> Subject: Re: Linux of the 701 To: nil@akula.com (Stan Lobunets) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:05:54 -0600 (MDT) Cc: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: from "Stan Lobunets" at Jul 17, 96 00:28:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hello, > > I have a TP701c DX4/75 24/540 running Win95. I just installed RedHat 3.0.3 > Linux, and have some questions. I'm a total newbie in UNiX, so pardon my > ignorance. The installation went pretty smoothly. When I got to the part > where I had to specify options for MetroX (commercial X-server that ships > with RedHat), things got a little confusing. There was no preset option for > my laptop screen, so I chose Generic 640x480 13". There were two edit boxes > to enter the width and the height of the display, but I didn't do it at > first. When I started X, everything on the screen looked to big (the > Control Panel, xclock, window title bars, etc.) I tried reinstalling, and > this time specify the physicall dimensions of the screen, but that didn't > seem to help. I also tried to use XF86 server, and use the settings I got > from the Linux Laptop page, but couldn't start X at all (at least I learned > how to use vi a little ;-)) If somebody is running MetroX, or has > XF86config for TP701c, I'd appreciate some help. What's the deal with > MetroX? Is it any better than XFree86? Also, I installed LILO, and it would > display LI at startup and nothing else would happen. Adding 'linear' as the > first line in lilo.conf didn't seem to change anything. Thanks for any > help. I've not used MetroX (I use the Caldera Linux release which comes with Accelerated-X and of course XFree) so I'm not sure I can help much. On a laptop screen things will look large though. If the chipset in the 701 is the same as my 755CD, then its a WD90C24A. You can use the "SuperProbe" command in Linux to find out the chipset. As for the lilo, are you sure you re-installed lilo after adding the "linear" option? All you have to do to re-install is enter "lilo" at the shell prompt. You will see something like: Added linux * Added dos I have always been able to fix the lilo problem you state by adding "linear". Hope this help you! > nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ +----------------------------Ren & Stimpy--------------------------------+ | "Psst. Hey Guido. It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the | | cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it. That's | | why he's gonna kill us. So we gotta beat it. Yeah. Before he lets | | loose the marmosets on us! Don't worry, little missy! I'll save you!" | +------------------ Brad Pepers -- pepersb@cuug.ab.ca -------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 03:15:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28814; Wed, 17 Jul 96 03:15:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00998; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 03:13:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 03:10:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00730; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 03:10:45 -0400 Received: from igate.ska.com (firewall-user@igate.ska.com [198.240.202.195]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00699; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 03:10:32 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by igate.ska.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) id JAA19184 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:04:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mx2.ska.com(198.240.223.100) by igate.ska.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma019171; Wed, 17 Jul 96 09:03:38 +0200 Received: from firestorm (firestorm.foa.ska.com [159.122.18.221]) by mx2.ska.com (8.7.5+phmap-1.3/8.7.3/MX1-02-APR-96) with ESMTP id JAA15263 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:09:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from wsf20 (wsf20 [159.122.18.180]) by firestorm (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA15323 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:07:33 +0200 Received: from wsf20 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wsf20 (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA02279 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:08:50 +0200 Sender: Alan.Hodgkinson@ska.com Message-Id: <31EC9181.5867@ska.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:08:49 +0200 From: Alan Hodgkinson Organization: Credit Suisse, Zurich X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: source for hard drives References: <1ebcdef0@ima.jud.ca.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been using a MiniStor 131MB (uncompressed) PCMCIA drive for almost a year now and haven't managed to break it. This is under DOS/Win 3.1. It came with a driver that double spaced the drive to 260 MB. I had problems with using the drive with compression (which may have been my fault) and since I was planning to use Linux I stopped using the compression. Unfortunately there isn't a Linux driver for the drive (yet). If anyone knows of one please let me know. The drive came with a plastic box which protects it when it's in my backpack. My option is that the drive is well made and I would buy it again. Have fun, Alan. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 03:55:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00162; Wed, 17 Jul 96 03:55:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04658; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 03:54:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 03:53:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04526; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 03:53:07 -0400 Received: from sisyphus.cs.kun.nl (sisyphus.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04505; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 03:53:01 -0400 Received: from atlas by sisyphus.cs.kun.nl via atlas.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.42] with SMTP id JAA11232 (8.6.10/2.1) for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:52:52 +0200 Sender: mauricek@cs.kun.nl Message-Id: <31EC9BD3.41C67EA6@cs.kun.nl> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:52:52 +0200 From: Maurice klein Gebbinck Organization: University of Nijmegen, Computing Science Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Good price on 16MB DIMM for 760c? References: <7051F747A3@eng.conic.lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Franklin wrote: > > > I am in the process of buying one from a local company called The > > Chip Merchant. They do mail order also, I think. Their URL is: > > http://www.thechipmerchant.com They quoted me $216 for a 16MB DIMM > > for my TP760C. Their local number is (619) 268-4774. They give a > > life time warranty and through my experience are reputable. Good > > Luck. > > Well I got my 16MB DIMM and it works great. Apparently Chip Merchant > does have a lifetime replacement warranty. On their price sheet of 7/16/96 (http://www.thechipmerchant.com/prices.htm) I saw a SO DIMM 16 Mb 3.3v for $172. Is this the right chip for a ThinkPad 701C? Has anyone tried this combination (The Chip Merchant memory, unknown brand(?), TP701C) already? Regards, Maurice -- Maurice klein Gebbinck University of Nijmegen, Computing Science Institute Toernooiveld 1, 6525 ED Nijmegen, The Netherlands Phone +31 24 3652710, Fax +31 24 3553450 http://www.cs.kun.nl/~mauricek From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 04:23:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00381; Wed, 17 Jul 96 04:23:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08047; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:23:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:21:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07859; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:21:41 -0400 Received: from igate.ska.com (firewall-user@igate.ska.com [198.240.202.195]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07819; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:21:32 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by igate.ska.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) id KAA23948; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:15:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mx2.ska.com(198.240.223.100) by igate.ska.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma023921; Wed, 17 Jul 96 10:14:45 +0200 Received: from firestorm.foa.ska.com (firestorm.foa.ska.com [159.122.18.221]) by mx2.ska.com (8.7.5+phmap-1.3/8.7.3/MX1-02-APR-96) with ESMTP id KAA16060; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:20:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from fs@localhost) by firestorm.foa.ska.com (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) id KAA15748; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:18:38 +0200 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:18:38 +0200 From: Frank Sheeran Message-Id: <199607170818.KAA15748@firestorm.foa.ska.com> To: nil@akula.com, pepersb@cuug.ab.ca Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux of the 701 Hi Stan, When you say "too big", what do you mean? I see two possible problems. #1) The resolution is actually 320x240. Every "pixel" is actually taking up four dots on your screen - a 2x2 square. I know alot more about Unix and X (worked in the X consortium) than PC's, but I DONT KNOW why these apparently stupid resolutions even exist... Maybe its for compatability back to the early 80's or something. Try typing "xclock -geometry 320x240" into an xterm. If that fills the entire screen, then you are in this super low-res mode. Take advantage of the fact that the server is commercial, and that you are paying for support - get on the phone and tell them to give you instructions on fixing it. If they claim they don't support your chipset at anything higher, ask if they have an alpha or beta you could test for them. #2) You are really in 640x480. You are used to seeing workstations or high-res PC's running X, where a 100x100 xclock is the size of a postage stamp, and now its taking up 10% of your screen. If this is the case, then the problem is simply that you are used to seeing smaller things. Bad news: X programs almost never pick good sizes across different screens. The best some do is use device-independent units, where sizes of things are specified in inches, etc., and this is even worse when text 1" on the 21" monitor is suddenly is also 1" on your tiny laptop... Good news: X programs almost always are co mpletely configurable via their "resource file" and take the same command line options. So, you can easily come up with more reasonable sizes (colors, fonts, control layouts, etc.). Bad news is that this will take a bit of reading. Try the O'Reilly and Associates' X series volume 3 for a good introduction to being an X end-user. Or if there are other X programming books around, the first few chapters usually run through this end-use stuff too. Or just ask someone for some explanations... Good luck! Frank Sheeran From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 06:49:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04772; Wed, 17 Jul 96 06:49:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22792; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:48:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:42:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22446; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:42:16 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22440; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:42:14 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA04669; Wed, 17 Jul 96 06:39:30 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 06:39:30 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607171039.AA04669@nile.gnat.com> To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, mauricek@cs.kun.nl Subject: Re: Good price on 16MB DIMM for 760c? little note on memory. It's quite important to make sure that memory you buy really will work. I have a Tecra 720CDT, and originally we bought PNS memory and neither the 16MB nor the 32MB versions worked, they caused random memory errors. The MPM memory we got to replace it worked fine. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 06:49:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04773; Wed, 17 Jul 96 06:49:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22791; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:48:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:46:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22652; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:46:07 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22646; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:46:04 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA04685; Wed, 17 Jul 96 06:43:20 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 06:43:20 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607171043.AA04685@nile.gnat.com> To: Frank.Sheeran@ska.com, nil@akula.com, pepersb@cuug.ab.ca Subject: Re: Linux of the 701 Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Frank said "#1) The resolution is actually 320x240. Every "pixel" is actually taking up four dots on your screen - a 2x2 square. I know alot more about Unix and X (worked in the X consortium) than PC's, but I DONT KNOW why these apparently stupid resolutions even exist... Maybe its for compatability back to the early 80's or something." The exist for compatibility with a lot of early software that uses this resolution, particularly game programs. There are lots of features in the PC that are traced back to the ancient PC-1 (e.g. the clock frequency, which still echoes the 4.77 megahertz processor frequency of the early 8088s. The only advantage of the Intel architecture over many clearly superior competitive designs is backwards compatibility, and the reason that PC's are successful (or at least one of them), is precisely the rather extraordinary backwards compatibility that has been preserved. This particular ancient junk feature may be one you don't need, but it is pretty likely that at least some of the software you use will be relying on some other similar junk feature! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 06:57:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04940; Wed, 17 Jul 96 06:57:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23319; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:56:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:55:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23155; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:55:17 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@ppp1.lugs.org.sg [203.127.221.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23135; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:55:09 -0400 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ugUMr-0002CXC; Wed, 17 Jul 96 19:02 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA00127; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:54:25 +0800 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:54:25 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: Stan Lobunets Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux of the 701 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > seem to help. I also tried to use XF86 server, and use the settings I got > from the Linux Laptop page, but couldn't start X at all (at least I learned > how to use vi a little ;-)) If somebody is running MetroX, or has > XF86config for TP701c, I'd appreciate some help. What's the deal with Hmm, I'm using XFree86 on my TP701C and it works fine. Ur xf86config has to be fine tuned quite a bit for it to work. Ur chipset is the CT65545. Support is no problem with the new versions of XFree > MetroX? Is it any better than XFree86? Also, I installed LILO, and it would > display LI at startup and nothing else would happen. Adding 'linear' as the > first line in lilo.conf didn't seem to change anything. Thanks for any > help. linear does not help. Lilo does not work with the TP701C. Use loadlin instead. Feel free to ask me if U need more help. I run linux too on my TP701C (8mb can really turtlize my system) Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 07:17:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05153; Wed, 17 Jul 96 07:17:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25242; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:16:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:15:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25080; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:15:19 -0400 Received: from fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (fub46.fddi1.fu-berlin.de [160.45.1.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25043; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:15:06 -0400 Received: by fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.29.1) id ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:15:00 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Subject: Re: Linux on the 701 To: stan@syberia.com Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:15:00 +0200 (MES) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text This is a working XF86Config for the 701. I got it somewhere on the net but I can't remember where. There used to be a 701 page but. unfortunately, there is no link in the official linux on laptops page: --- Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/sun/" EndSection Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" AutoRepeat 500 5 ServerNumLock EndSection Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/pcaux0" Emulate3Buttons Emulate3Timeout 50 EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Unknown" Bandwidth 65 HorizSync 24-75 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies VertRefresh 30-120 # multisync Mode "640x480" DotClock 28.32 HTimings 640 648 920 816 VTimings 479 490 502 525 EndMode EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Generic SVGA" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" Chipset "ct65545" VideoRam 1024 # Option "linear" Speedup "all" EndSection Section "Screen" Driver "svga" Device "Generic SVGA" Monitor "Generic Monitor" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "640x480" ViewPort 384 289 Virtual 1024 768 EndSubsection EndSection ----- You might have to change the pointer section, that is, the information in 'device': /dev/pcaux0. I changed it to /dev/mouse and everything worked fine. Good luck Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 07:21:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05163; Wed, 17 Jul 96 07:21:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25621; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:21:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:20:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25464; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:20:30 -0400 Received: from fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (fub46.fddi1.fu-berlin.de [160.45.1.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25452; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:20:26 -0400 Received: by fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.29.1) id ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:20:23 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Subject: Re: Linux of the 701 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:20:23 +0200 (MES) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > > MetroX? Is it any better than XFree86? Also, I installed LILO, and it would > > display LI at startup and nothing else would happen. Adding 'linear' as the > > first line in lilo.conf didn't seem to change anything. Thanks for any > > help. > linear does not help. Lilo does not work with the TP701C. Use > loadlin instead. > > I don't have a problem with LILO. I use the the os2 boot manager to start LILO (there is a small dos partition on my machine...) Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 08:07:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05875; Wed, 17 Jul 96 08:07:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27783; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:01:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:59:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27514; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:59:15 -0400 Received: from isak.telepost.no (isak.telepost.no [193.212.240.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27508; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:59:08 -0400 From: Received: by isak.telepost.no; Wed, 17 Jul 96 14:05:07 +0200 X400-Received: by /c=no/admd=telemax/prmd=internet/; converted ( IA5-Text); Relayed; 17 Jul 1996 14:05:04 +0200 X400-Received: by /c=NO/admd=TELEMAX/; Relayed; 17 Jul 1996 11:58:58 Z X400-Received: by /c=no/admd=telemax/prmd=david/; Relayed; 17 Jul 1996 13:56:24 +0200 X400-Received: by /c=no/admd=telemax/prmd=notes/; Relayed; 17 Jul 1996 14:03:28 +0200 X400-Received: by mta MHINTERNET in /c=no/admd=telemax/prmd=internet/; converted ( IA5-Text); Relayed; 17 Jul 1996 14:05:04 +0200 X400-Mts-Identifier: [/c=no/admd=telemax/prmd=notes/; XGW-960717140328+0200-03432] Content-Identifier: Rolling Stones S Content-Return: Prohibited X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 ( 2 ) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited X400-Originator: Kirk.Wedge@STARSHIP.Notes.telemax.no X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <"0717120328-Rolling Stones Stripped on 760CD LD*/c=NO/admd=Telemax/prmd=Notes/o=STARSHIP/s=Wedge/g=Kirk/"@MHS> Date: 17 Jul 1996 14:03:28 +0200 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Rolling Stones Stripped on 760CD & LD Mime-Version: 1.0 Has anyone been able to access the enhanced features (videos, interviews, etc) on the Rolling Stones Stripped CD? I have tried on a 760CD and 760LD, but just see (and can play) the audio tracks. On a friend's PC with a Soundblaster multimedia kit (NEC CD, I think), we can see the disk as a normal CD-ROM. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 12:36:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10054; Wed, 17 Jul 96 12:36:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21668; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:32:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:27:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21051; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:27:12 -0400 Received: from vader.akula.com (root@vader.akula.com [206.216.189.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21030; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:27:02 -0400 Received: from [206.216.189.127] (dialup-27.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.127]) by vader.akula.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/akula) with SMTP id MAA31199; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:28:07 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:27:51 -0500 To: Frank Sheeran From: nil@akula.com (Stan Lobunets) Subject: Re: Linux of the 701 Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu At 10:18 AM 7/17/96, Frank Sheeran wrote: >Hi Stan, > >When you say "too big", what do you mean? I see two possible problems. It looks as though I'm using a 17" monitor at 640x480, and can only see a portion of that 17" monitor screen. Nothing (except xclock) looks pixelated, os I dont' think it's 320x240. The xclock is about 1.3" diameter. The "Good Stuff", I can only see Kill, and xterm launch buttons, and I don't know how the hell to move the bar up. Also, on startup, Arena starts, and I can't see the title bar and menus, only the toolbar, again I don't know how to move the window down. The whole thing seems to be buggy somehow, Control Panel sometimes freezes, and I can only see its window's outline. Thanks to everybody who replied to my post,I didn't expect that many replies. Can anyone explain to use fips to resize my Win95 partition? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 19:16:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00922; Wed, 17 Jul 96 19:16:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25261; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:15:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:09:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24839; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:09:40 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24833; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:09:37 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_9.enteract.com (dialin_6_9.enteract.com [206.54.253.56]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id SAA17451 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:09:28 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Windows 95 Video Modes for 701? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:15:04 GMT Message-Id: <31ed721a.51074286@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Hi, all! I upgraded to Windows 95 couple of weeks ago, and the display, while 24-bit, doesn't seem as rich in color-depth as when I used the C&T setup program from IBM, from the Video Features diskette. I'm wondering if this would work with Windows 95, or is their an updated version for 95, or is this as good as it's going to get? My current setting are: 640x480, True Color (24-bit), wih the display set to Chips & Tech. Accelerator, Laptop Display Panel, Energy Star Compliant. Everything's fine except for a dithered look to .gifs and .jpgs with large areas of a single color, like a sky or green field. Not horrible, but the old drivers *seemed* better... And while I'm here, what about the hard drive settings. Mine never stopped spinning until I set the system as a desktop rather than mobile. Any tips? Thanks in advance for any help, epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown for information about laptops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 19:36:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02535; Wed, 17 Jul 96 19:36:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26565; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:35:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:33:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26357; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:33:57 -0400 Received: from ng.netgate.net (root@ng.netgate.net [204.145.147.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26351; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:33:54 -0400 Received: from gulch.spe.com (mail.spe.com [205.214.175.7]) by ng.netgate.net (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23799 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjm@localhost) by gulch.spe.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA00583; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:33:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:33:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199607172333.QAA00583@gulch.spe.com> From: Patrick May To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscription request Hello, I just joined this list soon after purchasing a ThinkPad 760ELD with 24 meg (as soon as the chips come in), 810 meg harddrive, and CD-ROM. I've ordered another 810 meg drive and plan to install Linux on it. Has anyone here done this? What are the correct settings for XFree-386? I've found a few web pages with info on running Linux on the 701 and 750, but none on this model. Thanks for your time. Regards, Patrick May From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 19:41:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02851; Wed, 17 Jul 96 19:41:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27004; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:40:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:39:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26809; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:39:28 -0400 Received: from pdx.oneworld.com (iceberg.pdx.oneworld.com [204.87.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26803; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:39:25 -0400 Received: by pdx.oneworld.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0uggB3-000hq5C; Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:38 PDT Received: from lscsjc.latticesemi.com by lscc.lattice.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ugg5k-000SIwC; Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:33 PDT Received: from joshua.poker by lscsjc.latticesemi.com (4.1/LSC-SM-1.2) id AA06409; Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:33:16 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:33:15 PDT From: cmoon@lscsjc.latticesemi.com (Cho Moon) Message-Id: <9607172333.AA06409@lscsjc.latticesemi.com> Received: by joshua.poker (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19705; Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:33:18 PDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 701cs battery meter and Win95 Hello, I've been using two IBM NiMH batteries on 701cs with Wi95 without any problems for the past few months. All of a sudden, after I swapped the batteries, I noticed that the battery meter on the Win95 taskbar is gone. Fn-F2 worked OK until today when it started showing 0% reading on one battery and 8% on the other (both batteries were almost fully charged -- and they work fine without A/C adapter). The "Power" properties in the control panel shows that battery level is unknown and "Enable battery meter on taskbar" is grayed out. Some time ago, I recall someone reporting a similar problem. Could you tell me how this problem was resolved? Thank you. Cho Moon | Cho W. Moon | | Lattice Semiconductor, 1820 McCarthy Blvd., Milpitas, CA 95035-7425 | | (408) 428-6400x250 (voice) (408) 944-8444 (fax) cmoon@latticesemi.com | From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 17 22:00:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09240; Wed, 17 Jul 96 22:00:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06423; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:59:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:56:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06233; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:56:14 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06227; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:56:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id VAA21164; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:57:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:57:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" Reply-To: "John H. Kim" To: epbrown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 95 Video Modes for 701? In-Reply-To: <31ed721a.51074286@smtp.enteract.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, epbrown wrote: > My current setting are: 640x480, True Color (24-bit), wih the > display set to Chips & Tech. Accelerator, Laptop Display Panel, Energy > Star Compliant. Everything's fine except for a dithered look to .gifs > and .jpgs with large areas of a single color, like a sky or green > field. Not horrible, but the old drivers *seemed* better... The dithering is caused by the TFT. While the display chipset is capable of 24-bit color, the TFT is only capable of about 15-bit color. I've tested mine side by side with a monitor and it's pretty obvious. I didn't notice any difference between the Win3.1 video drivers and the Win95 drivers. Unless you're using an external monitor or a program that runs faster with 24-bit color (i.e. insists on dithering in 15/16-bit or 8-bit mode), I'd recommend you just run the machine in 15-bit mode (32k colors). It's 2/3rds the number of bits for the hardware to push around as 24-bit mode, meaning the video will be faster and look the same. > And while I'm here, what about the hard drive settings. Mine never > stopped spinning until I set the system as a desktop rather than > mobile. Any tips? There are two different power saving settings, one for battery and one for AC. The BIOS is smart enough to switch which is displayed depending on whether you're currently running off battery or AC. It's easy to miss this unless you read everything carefully. Chances are you set the hard drive spindown time in one mode, and tested it in the other. Also, Win95 likes to hit the hard disk at odd times to play with its swapfile. If you have a lot of memory, just turn it off. Otherwise change it to a fixed size. The "let Windows manage my swapfile size" option isn't very smart, and caused many many crashes on my computer due to the swap partition filling up. One thing I'm not happy about is that you can't disable the hard drive spindown in standby mode (Fn-F2 or shut the cover). I leave my machine running Linux almost all the time. If I accidently shut the cover and login remotely, every time I do something that accesses the disk, I have to wait a few seconds for the hard drive to spin up. After the disk access, it immediately spins down because the cover is shut. Arrrrrgh.... -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 00:05:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14901; Thu, 18 Jul 96 00:05:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15525; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:02:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:59:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15151; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:59:45 -0400 Received: from vader.akula.com (root@vader.akula.com [206.216.189.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15145; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:59:37 -0400 Received: from [206.216.189.105] (dialup-05.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.105]) by vader.akula.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/akula) with SMTP id AAA01896 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:00:36 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:00:35 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: nil@akula.com (Stan Lobunets) Subject: Win 95 and Linux on 701c I finally got X working, the fonts and uios are the size they are supposed to be. I used XFree86-SVGA server this time instead of MetroX (thanks to all who sent me config files) One minor problem is that some windows open beyond 0,0, and I can't move them, because I can't see their title bars. Also, when I scroll around in virtual desktop, the screen flickers somewhat. When I switched back to Win95 , the internal speaker started emitting this feedback sound, sort of like a fast busy signal. I couldn't make it go away without lowering down the volume. Has anyone seen this before? I wonder if this might've been caused by my screwing around with Linux. Couple of more questions, is there a way for Linux to see msdos partitions and vice versa? I apologize if the questions are Linux and not Thinkpad specific, but I seem to get much faster and better help here than in newsgroups. Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 06:49:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05428; Thu, 18 Jul 96 06:49:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20416; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 06:45:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 06:41:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20007; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 06:41:04 -0400 Received: from fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (fub46.fddi1.fu-berlin.de [160.45.1.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19982; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 06:40:44 -0400 Received: by fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.29.1) id ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:40:10 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Subject: Re: Linux on 701 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:40:09 +0200 (MES) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > all who sent me config files) One minor problem is that some windows open > beyond 0,0, and I can't move them, because I can't see their title bars. You can define the initial position in your .xinitrc or in your system's xinitrc. > Linux. Couple of more questions, is there a way for Linux to see msdos > partitions and vice versa? I apologize if the questions are Linux and not > Thinkpad specific, but I seem to get much faster and better help here than > in newsgroups. Thanks. > > You got to mount your dos partition, e.g. mount -t msdos /dev/hda2 dosc where -t defines the file system, /dev/hdax or sdax the partition and dosc the mount point. For help type "man mount"... As far as I know LINUX can also read/write to the revised FAT filesystem used in Win 95. Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 07:50:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07600; Thu, 18 Jul 96 07:50:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24225; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 07:47:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 07:41:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23742; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 07:41:09 -0400 Received: from hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (HOOPLA.CS.NYU.EDU [128.122.129.127]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23735; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 07:41:05 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id HAA18020; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 07:54:16 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: news From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Newsgroups: thinkpad Subject: Thinkpad 560 with 30 day no questions money back? Date: 18 Jul 1996 07:54:15 -0400 Organization: NYU Media Research Lab. Lines: 9 Sender: fox@hoopla.cs.nyu.edu Message-Id: Reply-To: fox@cs.nyu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: hoopla.cs.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 I bought my 755CE directly from IBM with a 30 day money back guarantee, but now IBM no longer sells directly this way. They refer you to a retailer, and apparantly the terms are return for defect only. Does anyone know a way to buy a 560 on similary terms? How about one of the other new subnotes? I need to verify full Linux compatibility before I can commit to a machine. -- David Fox http://found.cs.nyu.edu/fox xoF divaD NYU Media Research Lab fox@cs.nyu.edu baL hcraeseR aideM UYN From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 08:56:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09754; Thu, 18 Jul 96 08:56:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29077; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:53:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:50:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28719; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:50:29 -0400 Received: from pontocom.com.br (cebolinha.pontocom.com.br [200.239.240.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28711; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:50:24 -0400 Received: from manta.pontocom.com.br by pontocom.com.br (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA28468; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:47:25 -0700 Received: by manta.pontocom.com.br with Microsoft Mail id <01BB748C.8CCFE960@manta.pontocom.com.br>; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:36:08 -0300 Message-Id: <01BB748C.8CCFE960@manta.pontocom.com.br> From: Marcelo Manta To: "'Thinkpad'" Subject: New Member Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:36:06 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I'm new to the list and I would like to introduce myself. I have a Thinkpad 755CD with 16 Meg, 810 Meg drive and a Xircom network = adapter. I'm using right now Win95 and almost everything works fine = (that's excelent for Win95). I'm seriosly consider shift to Linux, but I don't have drivers for Mwave = (that's means -> modem!!! and sound board) and for Xircom board (my = network connection). If anyone knows drivers for that stuff I'm very = interested. Also, I use TCP/IP largely because I'm technical manager of an ISP in = Brazil. So I think I could help when the subject is TCP/IP config. Regars, Marcelo Manta From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 09:00:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09798; Thu, 18 Jul 96 09:00:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29571; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:57:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:56:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29275; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:56:18 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29269; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:56:16 -0400 Received: from hyper (dwhite@hyper.shadow.net [204.177.71.251]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA20835 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:58:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside X-Sender: dwhite@hyper To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: question Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What do people think is a reasonable market price for a 750 mono with 12M ram, dinged up cosmetically but functional and with almost 1 yr left on warr? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 09:14:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10511; Thu, 18 Jul 96 09:14:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01446; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:11:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:09:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01215; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:09:52 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01209; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:09:46 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09327; Thu, 18 Jul 96 09:06:56 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 09:06:56 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607181306.AA09327@nile.gnat.com> To: dwhite@shadow.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question "What do people think is a reasonable market price for a 750 mono with 12M ram, dinged up cosmetically but functional and with almost 1 yr left on warr?" Very low, perhaps a few hundred dollars no more. If you look these days, you can buy quite nice color notebooks brand new for about $1000. You can't buy mono notebooks at all any more. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 09:25:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10990; Thu, 18 Jul 96 09:25:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02408; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:21:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:20:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02125; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:20:11 -0400 Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02058; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:20:01 -0400 Received: by portal.visa.com id AA11029 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:19:43 GMT Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:19:43 GMT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:18:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Huber To: Robert Dewar Cc: dwhite@shadow.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: <9607181306.AA09327@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > "What do people think is a reasonable market price for a 750 mono with 12M > ram, dinged up cosmetically but functional and with almost 1 yr left on warr?" > > Very low, perhaps a few hundred dollars no more. If you look these days, > you can buy quite nice color notebooks brand new for about $1000. > You can't buy mono notebooks at all any more. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^> if that's true, then are they not collector's items and consequently worth much more?? Sorry!! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 09:30:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11417; Thu, 18 Jul 96 09:30:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02972; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:27:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:24:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02500; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:24:26 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02489; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:24:01 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09442; Thu, 18 Jul 96 09:20:22 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 09:20:22 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607181320.AA09442@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, rhuber@interactive.visa.com Subject: Re: question Cc: dwhite@shadow.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu try waiting a few decades first :-) "if that's true, then are they not collector's items and consequently worth much more??" Anyone interested in a PC-1 in good condition as a collector's item? L-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 10:30:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13914; Thu, 18 Jul 96 10:30:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07908; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:26:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:23:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07412; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:23:10 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07405; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:23:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id KAA23070; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:24:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:24:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" Reply-To: "John H. Kim" To: dwhite@shadow.net Cc: Robert Dewar , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: <9607181306.AA09327@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don Whiteside wrote: > > What do people think is a reasonable market price for a 750 mono with 12M > ram, dinged up cosmetically but functional and with almost 1 yr left on warr? I just sold mine (same config with less warranty) for about $650. I had no idea what it was worth so I did a DejaNews search for other mono 486s offered for sale: PB 486??/33 12/200 w/modem $950 LTE 486DX2/50 12/250 2.5 yr warranty $899 Lxmrk 486SLC/25 4/130 w/modem $750 LTE 486??/25 20/250 $730 TP350 486SX/25 12/250 w/modem $700 Aero 486SX/25 4/170 $625 Sharp 486DX/33 4/124 $600 PB 486??/33 4/200 $600 Twnhd 486??/33 4/200 $575 Mdwst 486SX/25 2/120 $550 Cntra 486??/25 4/125 w/modem $500 Lxmrk 486SLC2/50 4/170 $475 Lxmrk 486SLC/25 4/120 $430 Lxmrk 486SLC/25 4/80 w/modem $300 Keep in mind the SLC processors are 16-bit external bus. Robert Dewar wrote: > > Very low, perhaps a few hundred dollars no more. If you look these days, > you can buy quite nice color notebooks brand new for about $1000. > You can't buy mono notebooks at all any more. No insult intended to Robert, but he's had every top of the line Thinkpad to play with ever since this list started. I don't give much weight to his opinion on the value of the low end models. Mono offers a couple advantages that may be attractive to a buyer: Longer battery life, better visibility in sunlight, lower repair costs should the LCD break (not really a factor if it's still under warranty), etc. One last note, I noticed most of the offers I got were my asking price minus $100, both the first time I posted the forsale, and the second time at a different price. The first time was while school was in session. I asked $800 and got almost a dozen offers for $700. The second time was during the summer and I asked $700. I got one offer for $650, a couple for $600, and one for $590. If you can wait, I'd suggest selling it once school starts, add $100 to what you want to get, and post. :) -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 11:10:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15962; Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:10:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11567; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:08:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:06:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11258; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:06:25 -0400 Received: from orca.akula.com (root@[206.216.189.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11252; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:06:17 -0400 Received: from [206.216.189.126] (dialup-26.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.126]) by orca.akula.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/akula) with SMTP id LAA14356 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:07:09 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:07:09 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: nil@akula.com (Stan Lobunets) Subject: Re: question At 10:24 AM 7/18/96, John H. Kim wrote: >One last note, I noticed most of the offers I got were my asking price >minus $100, both the first time I posted the forsale, and the second >time at a different price. The first time was while school was in >session. I asked $800 and got almost a dozen offers for $700. The >second time was during the summer and I asked $700. I got one offer >for $650, a couple for $600, and one for $590. If you can wait, I'd >suggest selling it once school starts, add $100 to what you want to >get, and post. :) Well, I tried selling my 701c recently (24/540, DX4), and I got offers from $900 to $1300, which I thought was ridiculous, so I kept it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 11:47:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21426; Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:47:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14892; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:46:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:44:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14547; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:44:09 -0400 Received: from slip-3 (mail@slip-3.slip.net [204.160.88.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14540; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:44:07 -0400 Received: from hbv by slip-3 with smtp (Exim 0.52 #1) id E0ugvBz-0003mb-00; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:40:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Ho X-Sender: hbv@slip-3 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On the subject of old thinkpads, I have a question.. I have a TP755cx with a dock 1, and since I have graduated, I may bring the computer to work in the near future. My wife occasionally uses the computer. We always think about getting her a computer. What will be the best second hand Thinkpad computer we should get? She only uses it for writing and her checkbook (hence only Excel and Word or Wordperfect are needed.) She loves Win3.1 and will get mad at me for getting any Win95;), and she will put in an astrologer program which basically runs on DOS, although we are thinking of getting a Windows version.(in either case, size and memory is not a problem, the program is only 4MB big). She will also use it to read her email, although we may think about putting Netscape there. Do you think a 310MB HD will be more than enough? Do you think we can get a HD that holds even less space? (we have a tape backup, besides, the majority of other softwares will be in the 755cs.) Obviously we would like to have one that can also dock, and should have at least one slot for the modem card. We would not mind having a mono. The only color usage is whenever she wants to see a birthchart. =20 What will be the price range for the cheapest machine? Remember, we are only getting a second machine, so the more economical, the better;) (I almost thought that I should get her the old suitcase like IBM 486 laptop that runs on win3.0...but thought that I might as well ask for advice first;)) Thanx V. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Vincent B. Ho =A6=F3=ABO=A9=D3 1996=A6~=A4T=C3=BF=A5=AB=A6{=A5=DF=A4j= =BE=C7=B0=D3=AC=EC=BA=D3=A4h=B2=A6=B7~=A5=CD =20 San Francisco State Univerisity MBA Graduate 96'=20 (415)255-5963 hbv@slip.net http://www.slip.net/~hbv/hbv.html=20 =A4=A4=A4=E5=A5=BB=AD=B6=A6a=A7}(Chinese Homepage): http://www.slip.net/~hb= v/hbvchi.html Club Viola Signorelli Firenze; NAWCC #134571; Team H; Shoujo, H, MG ML Minami Ozaki Fan Page & Gallery http://www.slip.net/~hbv/ozaki.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 11:47:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21427; Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:47:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14881; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:46:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:43:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14505; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:43:55 -0400 Received: from tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (root@tec.oz.cc.utah.edu [155.99.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14499; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:43:52 -0400 Received: from cor.oz.cc.utah.edu (root@cor-oz [155.99.2.2]) by tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA18677 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:43:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ctsasync55.cc.utah.edu (ctsasync55.cc.utah.edu [155.99.156.55]) by cor.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA29103 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:43:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199607181543.JAA29103@cor.oz.cc.utah.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Joseph" Organization: University of Utah To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:44:12 -0600 Subject: Win95 - 750c Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Greetings, I have a TP 750c with 12 megs of RAM and running PC DOS 7.0 and Win 3.11. I would like to install Win 95 on my system. Please let me know if it is possible?! If it is possible; please tell me the particulars (RAM needed, HD space needed, settings for DOS, Win, and TP files, versions of drivers needed, etc). Many Thanks in advance, Joseph G.Oertli@m.cc.utah.edu "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare, Act IV, Scene II, Henry VI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 11:52:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21459; Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:52:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15588; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:51:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:49:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15285; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:49:53 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15274; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:49:50 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA19665; Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:46:24 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:46:24 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607181546.AA19665@nile.gnat.com> To: nil@akula.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question "Well, I tried selling my 701c recently (24/540, DX4), and I got offers from $900 to $1300, which I thought was ridiculous, so I kept it." Seems to me that $1300 is reasonable, given the new prices of these machines. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 11:52:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21464; Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:52:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15607; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:51:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:50:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15358; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:50:15 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15330; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:50:07 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA18753; Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:42:23 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:42:23 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607181542.AA18753@nile.gnat.com> To: dwhite@shadow.net, jokim@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: question Cc: dewar@gnat.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "No insult intended to Robert, but he's had every top of the line Thinkpad to play with ever since this list started. I don't give much weight to his opinion on the value of the low end models." I buy LOTS of low end notebooks for friends, and recently have bought some very nice color machines brand new for under $1000, which is easy to do in New York stores. For example, a Sharp PC 3010 brand new 486 66 MHz, 4MB 340 hard drive with 10.4" passive color display is $999 at TriState. A Compaq LTE Elite 486 75MHz with 8MB RAM 420 MB hard drive, is $1188 It is these kind of prices that make me think that a mono machine is not worth much these days. I usually consider that a used machine vs a new one should reduce the price at least by 40%. So I am starting with a figure of $600 for comparable used color machine. The mono is worth substantially less, and that is where my figure of a few hundred dollars comes from. Of course it is all up to what people are willing to pay, but I would not advise people to get a used mono machine to save a few hundred dolalrs over a brand new color machine. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 12:25:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22605; Thu, 18 Jul 96 12:25:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18686; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:24:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:23:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18460; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:22:59 -0400 Received: from orca.akula.com (root@orca.akula.com [206.216.189.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18454; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:22:57 -0400 Received: from [206.216.189.128] (dialup-28.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.128]) by orca.akula.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/akula) with SMTP id MAA14929; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:10:37 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:10:37 -0500 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: nil@akula.com (Stan Lobunets) Subject: Re: question Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 11:46 AM 7/18/96, Robert Dewar wrote: >"Well, I tried selling my 701c recently (24/540, DX4), and I got offers from >$900 to $1300, which I thought was ridiculous, so I kept it." > >Seems to me that $1300 is reasonable, given the new prices of these machines. Not to me. I spent $2300 for this setup 4 months ago, but I guess it's my problem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 12:43:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23201; Thu, 18 Jul 96 12:43:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20307; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:42:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:40:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20060; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:40:26 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19986; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:39:59 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA02087; Thu, 18 Jul 96 12:35:36 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 12:35:36 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607181635.AA02087@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, nil@akula.com Subject: Re: question Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu $2300 4 months ago is a little high, you could have bought that on the street in NYC for not more than $2100, but you have to consider that $1300 is for a second hand machine, you can't expenect to get new prices for a second hand machine, so you can't compare your new price with some one elses second hand price directly. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 12:50:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23651; Thu, 18 Jul 96 12:50:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20939; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:48:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:45:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20535; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:45:23 -0400 Received: from gateway.sequent.com (gateway.sequent.com [138.95.18.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20449; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:44:35 -0400 Received: from eng5.sequent.com (eng5.sequent.com [138.95.7.49]) by gateway.sequent.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA29572; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:39:09 -0700 Received: (from patmason@localhost) by eng5.sequent.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) id JAA17597; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:43:25 -0700 From: Pat Mason Message-Id: <199607181643.JAA17597@eng5.sequent.com> Subject: Re: question To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: nil@akula.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9607181546.AA19665@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Jul 18, 96 11:46:24 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > "Well, I tried selling my 701c recently (24/540, DX4), and I got offers from > $900 to $1300, which I thought was ridiculous, so I kept it." > > Seems to me that $1300 is reasonable, given the new prices of these machines. > Well, I had basically the same story as nil. It may not be a ridiculous price relative to new machines and prices but to me it's ridiculous to sell for that kind of price. I wonder how many people would be willing to part with their 701c for that kind of price? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pat Mason | email: patmason@sequent.com Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. | (503) 578-5826 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 12:51:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23668; Thu, 18 Jul 96 12:51:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20943; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:48:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:47:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20795; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:47:32 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20782; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:47:28 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA04127 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199607181646.JAA04127@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: xircom To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:46:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm seriosly consider shift to Linux, but I don't have drivers for Mwave = > (that's means -> modem!!! and sound board) and for Xircom board (my = > network connection). If anyone knows drivers for that stuff I'm very = > interested. for the Xircom card, i understand that the reason there's been no Xircom drivers is that Xircom has ben unwilling to provide technical info for free. the guy who wrote the card services package mentioned in his last release notes that Xircom has changed this policy, so there may be Xircom support soon -- i know that everybody wants it. (i recently had to return my cool Xircom combo card so that i could get a Linux-supported 3com card. clearly it would make sense for Xircom to support the linux market.) for the MWave, i don't know where support would come from. i know there is a DSP development toolkit available for Linux which might let you write one ... the modem-simulator may work anyway if, at the BIOS level, it tells the system that it's a serial port. this is how most modular modem cards work. but either way, one cool thing about Linux is that you don't really have to abandon your current operating system to use it, unless your hard disk is super-small. you can use the UMSDOS package to create a filesystem inside your DOS partition so that you don't have to repartition or format anything, and at that point it's pretty easy to load linux, try it out, check out the hardware support, and erase it if it doesn't seem useful. -m- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 13:03:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24182; Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:03:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22085; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:01:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:00:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21888; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:00:26 -0400 Received: from itchy.mindspring.com (itchy.mindspring.com [204.180.128.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21877; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:00:23 -0400 Received: from rchalk.mindspring.com (user-168-121-80-185.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.80.185]) by itchy.mindspring.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07087; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607181700.NAA07087@itchy.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@pop.atl.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:57:38 -0400 To: nil@akula.com (Stan Lobunets) From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: question Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu I have tried several times to sell high-end thinkpads on the internnet, and the usual attitude seems to be that if it's 3 months old, and has been replaced by a newer model, then it's worthless! For example, I posted a 760CD Pentium 120, new, manufactured in March of 1996, and priced at $6500+ . IBM has now announced the ED at $7,000, with limited availability, and I get comments like "Who would want that obsolete piece of junk???" Excuse me? I thought a P-120, with all the bells and whistles that come on this machine would still be desirable at $1500 less than the 760ED, but the best offer I got was $3500. I think I'll try the local newspaper... Richard At 11:07 AM 7/18/96 -0500, you wrote: >At 10:24 AM 7/18/96, John H. Kim wrote: > >>One last note, I noticed most of the offers I got were my asking price >>minus $100, both the first time I posted the forsale, and the second >>time at a different price. The first time was while school was in >>session. I asked $800 and got almost a dozen offers for $700. The >>second time was during the summer and I asked $700. I got one offer >>for $650, a couple for $600, and one for $590. If you can wait, I'd >>suggest selling it once school starts, add $100 to what you want to >>get, and post. :) > >Well, I tried selling my 701c recently (24/540, DX4), and I got offers from >$900 to $1300, which I thought was ridiculous, so I kept it. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Richard Chalk PHONE: 770-992-3700 4330 Sprucebough Drive FAX: 770-998-3781 Marietta, GA 30062 EMAIL: rchalk@mindspring.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 13:13:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24526; Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:13:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22695; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:08:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:06:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22485; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:06:49 -0400 Received: from itchy.mindspring.com (itchy.mindspring.com [204.180.128.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22477; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:06:48 -0400 Received: from rchalk.mindspring.com (user-168-121-80-185.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.80.185]) by itchy.mindspring.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07529; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607181706.NAA07529@itchy.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@pop.atl.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:03:59 -0400 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: question Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (stuff deleted) >I usually consider that a used machine vs a new >one should reduce the price at least by 40%. This illustrates my earlier point. Why is a $7000 notebook, with 30+ months of warranty remaining, only worth $4200? This is much too general a statement. Used can be 1 week old, or 5 years old. Richard Richard Chalk PHONE: 770-992-3700 4330 Sprucebough Drive FAX: 770-998-3781 Marietta, GA 30062 EMAIL: rchalk@mindspring.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 13:14:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24536; Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:14:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22451; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:06:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:05:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22323; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:05:29 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22306; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:05:23 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id MAA28421 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:05:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id MAA17315 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:05:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:05:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: intro/socket service help Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings: I have had a 750c since aug 95, just discovered this list. It has 12 meg ram total, 340 hard drive, qlogic scsi card, megahertz 14.4 card. There are two points I'd appreciate help with: socket services: I'm using win95, novaback, qlogic scsi card, python 4mm dat. All works fine from win95, but I'm trying to make a disaster recovery diskette and tape (novaboot) When I boot the floppy I get "no card services found." Looks Like I need socket services for dos. Any sites where this software might be available? hard drive shell: I got a larger drive (540 WD from Segue for $139). This is what prompted the backup/restore escapade referred to above. It would be nide to find another shell/carrier for the hard drive. Anyone know if these are available? Also, any suggestions on opening it without breaking it or otherwise messing it up? best regards...harry seaman From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 13:16:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24715; Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:16:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23282; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:15:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:14:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23066; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:14:10 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23060; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:14:07 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id MAA28585; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:14:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id MAA19601; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:14:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:14:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: Don Whiteside Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Don Whiteside wrote: > What do people think is a reasonable market price for a 750 mono with 12M > ram, dinged up cosmetically but functional and with almost 1 yr left on warr? Well, I can tell you what I paid, in aug 95: 750c, 340 meg drive, 8 meg ram added (12 total), XJ2144 modem, 2 batteries, IBM quick charger/discharger $1350 I think mono might be a plus for those wanting to use a notebook in outdoor light. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 13:22:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25002; Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:22:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23973; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:21:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:20:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23750; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:20:18 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23742; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:20:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id NAA23817; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:21:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:21:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Robert Dewar Cc: dwhite@shadow.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: <9607181542.AA18753@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > It is these kind of prices that make me think that a mono machine is not > worth much these days. I usually consider that a used machine vs a new > one should reduce the price at least by 40%. So I am starting with > a figure of $600 for comparable used color machine. The mono is worth > substantially less, and that is where my figure of a few hundred dollars > comes from. Of course it is all up to what people are willing to pay, but Well, that's your opinion then, as a buyer who thinks a mono is worth "substantially less." The price will be higher for sellers and buyers who don't mind, or want a mono. There are folks out there that don't think color is worth more than about $100. Like I said, I got nearly a dozen offers a month and a half ago in the $700-$750 range for my mono 750 (w/ 12 MB RAM). You can say what you want, the Usenet market voted about $700 for my mono. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 13:51:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26162; Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:51:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25821; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:49:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:46:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25563; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:46:44 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com ([205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25554; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:46:26 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA10583; Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:09:15 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:09:15 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607181709.AA10583@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, rchalk@atl.mindspring.com Subject: Re: question Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "This illustrates my earlier point. Why is a $7000 notebook, with 30+ months of warranty remaining, only worth $4200?" Because that $7000 notebook, if you could find it new, is worth less thean $1500. When you drive a car out of the store, it immediately loses some value,, computers are like that but much worse. If you can afford to be one year behind the power curve on notebooks, you can save HUGE amounts of money, but if you buy latest technology as soon as it comes out, expect it to depreciate incredibly rapidly! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 13:51:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26167; Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:51:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25828; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:49:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:47:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25591; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:47:23 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com ([205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25582; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:46:56 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09014; Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:03:49 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:03:49 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607181703.AA09014@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, patmason@sequent.com Subject: Re: question Cc: nil@akula.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "I wonder how many people would be willing to part with their 701c for that kind of price?" Well one of the problems of buying any machines is that the price goes down incredibly rapidly (anyone remember the original price of the 701c :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 14:17:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27124; Thu, 18 Jul 96 14:17:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28282; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:15:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:15:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28030; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:15:02 -0400 Received: from hq14.pcmail.ingr.com ([129.135.251.242]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28015; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:14:56 -0400 Received: by hq14.pcmail.ingr.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB74AA.F5436E40@hq14.pcmail.ingr.com>; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:13:49 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Russell, Mark S" To: "'Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Migrating to Win95 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:13:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 12 TEXT I'm about to switch my 760C over to Win95. I currently have Win 3.1/OS2 on it, but I have to move to Win95 for compatibility reasons. Has anyone recently made this same switch? And, if so, are there any hints or suggestions as to things to avoid or look out for? I plan to follow the information posted on the ThinkPad web site for the 760C. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Mark Russell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 14:34:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27590; Thu, 18 Jul 96 14:34:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00163; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:32:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:31:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29934; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:31:42 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29928; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:31:38 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA28885; Thu, 18 Jul 96 14:25:08 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 14:25:08 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607181825.AA28885@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, jokim@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: question Cc: dwhite@shadow.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu a month and a half is a LONG time in this field. In that month and a half an entire new generation of thinkpads (the 760E models) has appeared, and consequently all previous models lose another notchof value. Also memory prices have plummetted in those 6 weeks, so the extra 8MB of memory is worth perhaps $75-100 less. I really doubt you can get $700 today for a used machine. I bet I can get an equivalent machine new for VERY close to that (I don't see mono machines advertised, but you can usually pick them up VERY cheap).. To give an idea of how much prices fall, I bought two weeks ago a NEC multi-media machine brand new that was in its time the first machine with a 2X CDROM, absolutely a top of the line machine two years ago. It cost me $299 complete (including everything except a monitor). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 14:38:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27716; Thu, 18 Jul 96 14:38:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00636; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:36:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:34:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00309; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:34:57 -0400 Received: from pelican.cit.cornell.edu (PELICAN.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [128.253.114.140]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00294; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:34:49 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by pelican.cit.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03chaos) id AA13622; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:33:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9607181833.AA13622@pelican.cit.cornell.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:09:15 EDT." <9607181709.AA10583@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:33:50 -0400 From: Bob Cowles "This illustrates my earlier point. Why is a $7000 notebook, with 30+ months of warranty remaining, only worth $4200?" The reason is that people on the Internet are either looking for the greatest new technology at almost any price, or they are looking for an incredible deal. The in-between people buy from a dealer. Bob Cowles ----------------------- Bob Cowles || "This could come out better if we rdc1@cornell.edu || planned it." Dr. Chaos From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 14:47:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28028; Thu, 18 Jul 96 14:47:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01245; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:41:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:39:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00927; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:39:41 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00911; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:39:37 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA05269 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:38:27 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199607181838.LAA05269@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: my thinkpad beefs To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:38:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi. i feel strangely compelled this morning to vent my spleen over a couple of annoying Thinkpad problems, just to see whether anybody else's experience is similar. the first problem i have is really a sales problem. when i ordered the machine -- a 760EL -- i asked for a second drive to fit in the UltraBay(tm). when i got the system unpacked, i did indeed have a second drive, but i couldn't fit it in the UltraBay without an adapter device, which wasn't included and which i haven't seen any reference to in any of the IBM sales literature. i felt somewhat ripped-off, but i may have been unclear when i ordered the second disk drive that i wanted it for the Ultrabay specifically. (do any of you use this adapter, or know what it costs? i am going to have to bite the bullet and get one ...) the second problem i have is with the process of switching items in the UltraBay. this really couldn't be much more awkward. in order to install or remove the floppy, you have to insert a little plastic bracket that fills up the top half of the front access hole for the bay. to install this bit of plastic you have to remove the battery, at which point the screen weighs more than the bottom and the whole thing flopps over. the instructions say that you should open the screen 180 degrees before lifting the keyboard flap, but it only opens about 160 degrees, so even on a flat & level surface it cranes the base unit up into the air if the battery is removed. then, you have to seat the thing just right and slide-lock it in place. it is possible to lock it in place while it's in a slightly wrong position that just barely prevents you from installing the floppy, but it's the sort of thing where a grumpy person would be tempeted to grab a hammer and make it fit. why, oh why, couldn't IBM just give the floppy a full-face front panel of the same shape as the CD-ROM's? it would just plop right in. furthermore, the panel on the bottom of the system is held shut by the same latch that holds the keyboard flap closed. this is so they can be attached to the same security device, but the practical upshoot is that the moment that the Thinkpad flops backwards, the plastic memory cover falls off. plop. i don't like exposing my RAM to the elements in this way! in fact, the only thing that keeps the memory from also falling out is the friction of its pin connectors. so: i am just about ready to lay a piece of duct tape across the nice sleek bottom of my Thinkpad, and i have given up any hope of swapping between the floppy and the CD without shutting down first. too bad, because Linux supports it even if Windows 95 doesn't. i still think that the 701 model is a brilliant hardware design, but this one is really getting on my nerves. caveat: i will never, ever, complain about my nice job where they buy me these fun toys. i just am griping because i dislike bad computer designs on principle -- as a sysadmin, i am usually the one who suffers because of them. =) thanks for listening to me gripe. -mykle- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 14:56:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28415; Thu, 18 Jul 96 14:56:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02139; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:49:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:47:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01860; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:47:35 -0400 Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01853; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:47:32 -0400 Received: from smtp.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA20214; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:47:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199607181847.NAA20214@Kitten.mcs.com> To: fox@cs.nyu.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.99e) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:47:12 CDT From: Ron Heiby Reply-To: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560 with 30 day no questions money back? ** Reply to note from fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) 18 Jul 1996 07:54:15 -0400 I'm not a lawyer, but I read at one point that if you walk into a store and specifically say to them that your intended use is XYZ, and you specifically ask them if the FooBar computer will allow you to successfully do XYZ, and they say something like, "sure", then they have made an EXPLICIT warranty of fitness for a particular purpose. Even if they attempt to disclaim IMPLIED warranties of fitness for a particular purpose, they cannot disclaim an explicit warranty. Best to get it in writing, even if that just means writing it on the credit card slip. Oh, yes. Use a credit card. Of course, the other thing you can do is find someone else with a similar 560 running Linux and make sure that they have got it to do whatever you consider "full". Ron. cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 15:44:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00610; Thu, 18 Jul 96 15:44:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07445; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:38:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:35:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07095; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:35:53 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07066; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:35:38 -0400 Received: from hyper (dwhite@hyper.shadow.net [204.177.71.251]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27253; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:37:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside X-Sender: dwhite@hyper To: Robert Dewar Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: <9607181703.AA09014@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > "I wonder how many people would be willing to part with their 701c > for that kind of price?" > > Well one of the problems of buying any machines is that the price goes > down incredibly rapidly (anyone remember the original price of the 701c :-) I really don't understand the attitude, personally. How many people would be suprised to be offered 15% less for a car they'd bought the week before? People are buying used because they want to save money or _have_ to save money, they're taking a bigger risk, etc. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect to pay much less. And in the computer market one if pleasantly suprised if it's not considered _useless_ in a year. That being said, I wouldn't unload my 'pad for a few hundred dollars - I'd just sell the dock and accessories and keep the pad for the rare occassions I needed to work remotely. It's worth more as an occassional toy. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 15:44:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00615; Thu, 18 Jul 96 15:44:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07458; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:38:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:36:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07233; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:36:49 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07217; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:36:46 -0400 Received: from hyper (dwhite@hyper.shadow.net [204.177.71.251]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27353; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside X-Sender: dwhite@hyper To: Robert Dewar Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: <9607181709.AA10583@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > When you drive a car out of the store, it immediately loses some value,, Robert, Robert, when will you learn to wait for them to open the sliding glass doors first? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 16:53:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05311; Thu, 18 Jul 96 16:53:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14310; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:51:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:46:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13785; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:46:32 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13771; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:46:24 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA19641; Thu, 18 Jul 96 15:47:48 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 15:47:48 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607181947.AA19641@nile.gnat.com> To: mykle@vinton.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs "the first problem i have is really a sales problem. when i ordered the machine -- a 760EL -- i asked for a second drive to fit in the UltraBay(tm). when i got the system unpacked, i did indeed have a second drive, but i couldn't fit it in the UltraBay without an adapter device, which wasn't included and which i haven't seen any reference to in any of the IBM sales literature. i felt somewhat ripped-off, but i may have been unclear when i ordered the second disk drive that i wanted it for the Ultrabay specifically." The adapter is quite inexpensive, and is definitely listed in the parts catalog, so it is no secret. If you did not make it clear that you were ordering the hard drive for the ultra bay, then you certainly would not expect to get the adapter! As to changing things, I never bother with the silly covers at the front, and I have never had any trouble, that will solve a lot of the problems with changing things. My lid lies down PAST 180 degress, so that sounds odd (but my machine is a 760CD, which may be different). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 17:04:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05874; Thu, 18 Jul 96 17:04:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15352; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:03:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:02:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15195; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:02:12 -0400 Received: from mhub1.tc.umn.edu (0@mhub1.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15180; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:02:06 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by mhub1.tc.umn.edu; Thu, 18 Jul 96 16:01:22 -0500 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Thu, 18 Jul 96 16:01:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:01:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Christian N Michalek To: Robert Dewar Cc: nil@akula.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: <9607181546.AA19665@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I bought a 701C 16/720 for 1249.00 On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > "Well, I tried selling my 701c recently (24/540, DX4), and I got offers from > $900 to $1300, which I thought was ridiculous, so I kept it." > > Seems to me that $1300 is reasonable, given the new prices of these machines. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 18:32:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09748; Thu, 18 Jul 96 18:32:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22596; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:31:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:27:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22180; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:27:50 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22173; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:27:46 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA21093 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:27:42 +1000 From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA16731; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:27:41 +1000 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:27:40 +1000 (EST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i bought a JAZ (external) drive a while back. great concept. removeable 1GB drive cartridges, small footprint and not too heavy, and an international powerpack. bought it and used it in the u.s. and when i came back to australia i just switched power cords (i prefer cords made for 240v rather than adapters). when it has worked it has worked nicely, in the u.s. and in aus. for backups and for running programs when the drive is made 'non-removeable'. problem: i now seem to be getting a 'no devices found' message for everything i try. been through all the basics many times: pcmcia card well seated, all connections (seem) very solid, JAZ drive turned on, SCSI terminator light on, disk spinning, then i start up the machine and the same problem...no devices found. beginning to wonder if my pcmcia card is okay. i have the following: tp 755ce, 16mb ram, 840 hdd, wfwg 3.11, new media bustoaster SCSI pcmcia card, corel drivers and Iomega drivers. suggestions welcome! regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 21:41:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22224; Thu, 18 Jul 96 21:41:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07730; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:37:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:33:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07234; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:33:43 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07226; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:33:41 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-f-38.usc.edu [128.125.223.110]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id SAA09465; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960719013355.006b946c@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:33:55 -0700 To: Richard Chalk , dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: question Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 01:03 PM 7/18/96 -0400, Richard Chalk wrote: >(stuff deleted) > >>I usually consider that a used machine vs a new >>one should reduce the price at least by 40%. > >This illustrates my earlier point. Why is a $7000 notebook, with 30+ months >of warranty remaining, only worth $4200? Probably because it was overpriced to begin with. ;-) ------- Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 21:41:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22229; Thu, 18 Jul 96 21:41:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07728; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:37:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:33:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07240; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:33:44 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07228; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:33:42 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-f-38.usc.edu [128.125.223.110]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id SAA09458; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960719013351.006bafb4@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:33:51 -0700 To: Richard Chalk , nil@akula.com (Stan Lobunets) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: question Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 12:57 PM 7/18/96 -0400, Richard Chalk wrote: >I have tried several times to sell high-end thinkpads on the internnet, and >the usual attitude seems to be that if it's 3 months old, and has been >replaced by a newer model, then it's worthless! > >For example, I posted a 760CD Pentium 120, new, manufactured in March of >1996, and priced at $6500+ . IBM has now announced the ED at $7,000, with >limited availability, and I get comments like "Who would want that obsolete >piece of junk???" > >Excuse me? I thought a P-120, with all the bells and whistles that come on >this machine would still be desirable at $1500 less than the 760ED, but the >best offer I got was $3500. > >I think I'll try the local newspaper... Precisely! One of the first rules of marketing is to know your target audience, then know how to reach them. The problem most of us run into is that we think the Internet is a good place to sell stuff. NO WAY! It may be a good place to BUY stuff, but certainly not for selling (well, it depends on what you're selling). What you have to keep in mind is that the Internet, even with its increasing popularity, is filled with relatively knowledgeable computer users--usually that means nutballs that have to have the latest & greatest every time something new is released each week (just look at Robert, for an extreme example!). That means anything you've taken out of the box is worth very little to these people--you almost couldn't give it to them. Hence, you're using the wrong avenue to reach your buyer. The *real* buyer you want is someone who's not so bent on being on the "cutting edge" and doesn't have as much access to information as these other Internet folks. Hence, he sees something priced less than the brand-new stuff (that's all he has to compare to), and sees it as a better deal for him. The way you reach this guy is *NOT* the Internet, but probably something more traditional--like the newspaper. Like many of the rest of you, when I got a new machine (a 701C), I was interested in unloading my 750C. I too posted on the 'net (last November) and was met with some absurdly low offers that really depressed me. Just over $1,000 or so. Soooo...I invested a whopping $30 and put an ad in the Sunday L.A. Times. I got my asking price of $2,000 a week later, after shagging down a number of phone calls. Sure, some people bickered for a lower price, but even if I had given it to them, it beat--by FAR--what I would have gotten selling it over the Internet. Sure I had to hold the buyer's hand for a little while and help him get started, but those couple hours or so were worth it to get that difference in selling price. In a sense, *that's* what he "paid" for it is the lack of that need that partially depresses selling prices on the 'net. And that, friends, is Marketing 101 for today. ;-) ------- Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 22:10:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23211; Thu, 18 Jul 96 22:10:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09904; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:06:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:05:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09707; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:05:36 -0400 Received: from gateway.sequent.com (gateway.sequent.com [138.95.18.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09685; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:05:32 -0400 Received: from relay1.sequent.com (relay1.sequent.com [138.95.14.34]) by gateway.sequent.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA28720; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:00:39 -0700 Received: from w-krader.sgp.sequent.com ([158.84.104.234]) by relay1.sequent.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA08275; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:04:51 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960719020454.009edaa0@ozsqnt.aus.sequent.com> X-Sender: krader@ozsqnt.aus.sequent.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:04:54 +0800 To: Alden S Klovdahl From: "Kurtis D. Rader" Subject: Re: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 08:27 19-07-96 +1000, Alden S Klovdahl wrote: > >problem: i now seem to be getting a 'no devices found' message for everything >i try. been through all the basics many times: pcmcia card well seated, all >connections (seem) very solid, JAZ drive turned on, SCSI terminator light on, >disk spinning, then i start up the machine and the same problem...no devices >found. From the Win95 "start" button, go to "settings", "control panel", "system". Make sure the PCIC adaptor and BusToaster cards were configured correctly by Win95 and it says they are funcioning properly. Possible problem: power is turned of to the PCMCIA slots. This will show up in the "system" display as a disabled PCIC controller. Use the thinkpad features program or ps2 command to enable power for the PCMCIA slots. Possible problem: interrupt conflict with another card. For example, I've been unable to find a configuration that will allow me to use my BusToaster and Xircom IIPS ethernet cards at the same time. -- Kurtis D. Rader, x8,3714 -- Sr. Technical Consultant -- (currently in Singapore) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 18 22:23:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23905; Thu, 18 Jul 96 22:23:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10865; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:19:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:19:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10768; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:18:59 -0400 Received: from franklin.usa1.com (franklin.usa1.com [204.249.224.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10756; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:18:56 -0400 Received: from pritari.usa1.com ([205.247.41.57]) by franklin.usa1.com (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11518) with SMTP id AAA219 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:17:44 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960719021231.00681554@usa1.com> X-Sender: lionman@usa1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:12:31 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Phil Subject: microphone on Thinkpaad 755CX I am having a devil of a time getting acceptable performance from the microphone on my 755 CX especially with net phone products like WebPhone or IPhone. Even an external mic needs to have the control set to maximum for anywhere hear audible sound. Any suggestions for how to get a higher gain out of the microphone?? Thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 08:58:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22060; Fri, 19 Jul 96 08:58:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02978; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:54:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:43:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02199; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:43:53 -0400 Received: from dmog10.bell.ca (dmog10.bell.ca [198.235.69.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02184; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:43:32 -0400 Received: from dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (dcoc41.qc.bell.ca [142.119.11.11]) by dmog10.bell.ca with ESMTP id IAA28451; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:41:33 -0400 Received: from dcocps.qc.bell.ca (dcocps.QC.Bell.CA [198.235.99.39]) by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca with SMTP id IAA20956; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:38:04 -0400 Received: from cmxc5q (blmi05-s08.QC.Bell.CA) by dcocps.qc.bell.ca (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07539; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:40:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9607191240.AA07539@dcocps.qc.bell.ca> From: "Eric Trepanier" To: "mykle hansen" Cc: Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:42:24 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Mykle, > hi. i feel strangely compelled this morning to vent my spleen over > a couple of annoying Thinkpad problems, just to see whether anybody > else's experience is similar. > > the first problem i have is really a sales problem. when i ordered > the machine -- a 760EL -- i asked for a second drive to fit in the > UltraBay(tm). when i got the system unpacked, i did indeed have > a second drive, but i couldn't fit it in the UltraBay without an > adapter device, which wasn't included and which i haven't seen any > reference to in any of the IBM sales literature. i felt somewhat > ripped-off, but i may have been unclear when i ordered the second > disk drive that i wanted it for the Ultrabay specifically. I've had more than my share of gripes with the IBM ThinkPads. In a similar manner, I ordered a 760CD, fully equipped with a Dock II, a monitor, an ISA TokenRing card, etc. This was to be used as a mobile desktop replacement. When I received everything, I quickly realized that I couldn't put the monitor on top of the Dock II docking station. I called my IBM rep and he said, "ah yes, if you want to put the monitor on top of the Dock II, you must also buy a Dock II display shelf." A 125$ ripoff that allows you to mount the monitor... It's not so much the price itself (since I was already paying well over 15000$ for the whole unit) but I wish the rep would have told me so before. So I ordered the thing and it took me only 2 months to receive it (back-order...). > the second problem i have is with the process of switching items in > the UltraBay. this really couldn't be much more awkward. [...] > [...] why, oh why, couldn't IBM just give the floppy a full-face > front panel of the same shape as the CD-ROM's? it would just plop right in. Amen to that... That would simplify things greatly... > caveat: i will never, ever, complain about my nice job where they > buy me these fun toys. i just am griping because i dislike bad > computer designs on principle -- as a sysadmin, i am usually the > one who suffers because of them. =) thanks for listening to me > gripe. My biggest gripe yet is the incredibly badly engineered AC adaptor connector. Why they came up with this 2 inch horizontal connector is beyond me. I have already had to replace 3 AC units this year, because the connector things keeps breaking off at the slightest pressure. Of all the laptops I have used before (Dell's, Toshiba's, Compaq's, etc...) I have not once seen such a lousy design... Still the 760CD is one hell of a nice machine to work with. It just seems like it suffers from a couple of very bad hardware design issues that could be so easily corrected... Eric -- Eric Trepanier (514-391-8126) Bell Sygma Telecom Solutions Internet: etrepani@qc.bell.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 09:21:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22646; Fri, 19 Jul 96 09:21:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05428; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:17:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:15:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04834; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:15:08 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04804; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:15:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id JAA27196; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:14:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:14:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" Reply-To: "John H. Kim" To: Eric Trepanier Cc: mykle hansen , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs In-Reply-To: <9607191240.AA07539@dcocps.qc.bell.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Eric Trepanier wrote: > My biggest gripe yet is the incredibly badly engineered AC adaptor > connector. Why they came up with this 2 inch horizontal connector is > beyond me. I have already had to replace 3 AC units this year, because the > connector things keeps breaking off at the slightest pressure. Of all the If it's the same thing as the 750's connector, there's an RF choke inside the thing. Mine broke in half and you could slide the choke up and down the cord. I didn't bother getting it fixed until the cable started to fray near the connector because of the 90 degree turn it usually made there. IBM replaced it by shipping me a new AC adapter overnight so I never really considered it a problem. (That's why the AC adapter is new, Howard. :) Your cord acts like an antenna and picks up RF signals. The RF choke filters much of this out. Just how useful this is open to question. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 09:44:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24012; Fri, 19 Jul 96 09:44:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08035; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:41:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:38:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07568; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:38:03 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07562; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:38:01 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA24842; Fri, 19 Jul 96 09:33:15 EDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 09:33:15 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607191333.AA24842@nile.gnat.com> To: etrepani@qc.bell.ca, mykle@vinton.com Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Eric said "It's not so much the price itself (since I was already paying well over 15000$ for the whole unit) but I wish the rep would have told me so before. So I ordered the thing and it took me only 2 months to receive it (back-order...)." Did you tell him you wanted to pu the monitor on top of the unit? If not how is he supposd to mind read. I always find it very helpful to look through the entire catalog of spare parts for a machine I intend to buy to figure out what might be needed. That has saved me many surprises and is a good idea. Yes, it is nice if your sales representative is good enough to know all this stuff, and guess what you might want. But it reall is easy hese days, especially with www, to find out what is available, and figure out for yourself if you might need it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 10:16:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25107; Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:16:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10340; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:09:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:06:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10051; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:06:36 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10041; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:06:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id KAA27354; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:07:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:07:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs In-Reply-To: <9607191333.AA24842@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > Eric said > > "It's not so much the price itself (since I was already paying well over > 15000$ for the whole unit) but I wish the rep would have told me so before. > So I ordered the thing and it took me only 2 months to receive it > (back-order...)." > > Did you tell him you wanted to pu the monitor on top of the unit? If not > how is he supposd to mind read. Well, considering most pictures of docking stations show the monitor on top, we could turn this statement on its head: Did the salesman tell you another part was required to place a monitor on top of the dock? If not, how were you supposed to read his mind? I mean, putting the monitor on top has to be a pretty standard configuration. Why else would IBM make a part for it? The salesman has (presumably) seen the product. You have not. I think the job of the salesman should be to help you make an informed decision about what you're buying, not to push products out the door. Those who say "Tough, that's just the way it is, you should have researched the product before buying it," just don't get it. It's impossible to know that you know everything about a product before you buy it. You can research it until it's obsolete and you're still not gonna know if you missed a little detail like Eric did. You are probably going to buy this stuff just once. The salesman sells this stuff 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year. He should take the time to learn what he is selling. It's up to us, the customers, to demand a higher standard from salesmen. If we don't complain, it's not gonna change. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 10:23:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25326; Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:23:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10724; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:13:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:13:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10633; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:13:13 -0400 Received: from dmog10.bell.ca (dmog10.bell.ca [198.235.69.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10623; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:13:06 -0400 Received: from dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (dcoc41.qc.bell.ca [142.119.11.11]) by dmog10.bell.ca with ESMTP id KAA01008; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:12:22 -0400 Received: from dcocps.qc.bell.ca (dcocps.QC.Bell.CA [198.235.99.39]) by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca with SMTP id KAA21662; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:08:54 -0400 Received: from cmxc5q (blmi05-s08.QC.Bell.CA) by dcocps.qc.bell.ca (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08603; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:12:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9607191412.AA08603@dcocps.qc.bell.ca> From: "Eric Trepanier" To: "Robert Dewar" Cc: Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:13:50 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Did you tell him you wanted to pu the monitor on top of the unit? If not > how is he supposd to mind read. Oh come on! A guy calls a sales rep, and orders a laptop, a monitor and a docking station. You really expect him to have to tell the rep "I am going to put the monitor on top of the docking station"??? If the sales rep had had any sense of anticipation and knowledge of his products, he could have told me that I needed something additionnal. I agree with you that it is a good idea to look at what's available before ordering, but there are some things that are just not obvious enough... Here is the complete product desciption of the Dock II as it appears on www.pc.ibm.com. Tell me, does anything here suggest that you will not be able to put a monitor on top of the Dock II alone? Dock II: The feature-rich, full-function desktop unit When you're away from the office, the portability of your ThinkPad makes your life easier. When you get back to your desk, portability takes a back seat to power. No problem -- that's where the ThinkPad Dock II, along with your choice of supported peripheral devices and expansion cards, comes into play. The Dock II gives you the right combination of features to convert your ThinkPad into a powerful desktop system. The Dock II also offers two full-length 16-bit ISA slots; built-in PCMCIA card slots; two 5.25-inch storage bays for IDE or SCSI-2 devices such as CD-ROM or hard disk drives; cable management with a full complement of ports; multimedia and business audio support with built-in stereo speakers, audio in/out jacks, a headphone jack and a volume control dial; and security for your notebook and PCMCIA cards, including a slot for an optional cable lock. Dock II is Plug and Play-ready. Dock II offers hot/warm docking and undocking of your ThinkPad, so you can access SCSI storage, PCMCIA or attached peripheral devices while in a power-on or suspended state...usually without rebooting your notebook. With its fail-safe docking mechanisms, Dock II provides a high degree of data loss protection. Most likely, you will want to complement your Dock II with an external keyboard and an external monitor. Dock II, keyboards and monitors are all available in handsome black. The IDE Conversion Card (part number 46H5994) lets you use IDE devices in Dock II when your Dock II is connected to PCI bus systems. Eric -- Eric Trepanier (514-391-8126) Bell Sygma Telecom Solutions Internet: etrepani@qc.bell.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 10:32:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25584; Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:32:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11867; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:24:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:23:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11673; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:23:31 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@[192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11662; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:23:29 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I7955ZBLU8002OF6@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:23:01 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs In-Reply-To: Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <837786181.509000.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > Your cord acts like an antenna and picks up RF signals. The RF choke > filters much of this out. Just how useful this is open to question. I believe this is more to keep the Thinkpad from radiating rf signals that could interfer with radio and tv reception. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 10:32:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25593; Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:32:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11691; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:23:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:22:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11551; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:22:48 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11544; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:22:44 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09306; Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:19:57 EDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:19:57 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607191419.AA09306@nile.gnat.com> To: jokim@mit.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs John said "The salesman has (presumably) seen the product. You have not. I think the job of the salesman should be to help you make an informed decision about what you're buying, not to push products out the door. Those who say "Tough, that's just the way it is, you should have researched the product before buying it," just don't get it. It's impossible to know that you know everything about a product before you buy it. You can research it until it's obsolete and you're still not gonna know if you missed a little detail like Eric did." Sure I certainly agree in an ideal world, but the job of a salesman in keeping up with the details on a rapidly moving field like this is really very hard.. Thinkpads in particular have been hard to deal with because they are constantly changing the design in tiny trivial ways (batteries that are just slightly smaller, and, in the case of the switch to the 760, hard disks that are identical except for one small ridge that makes it ipossible to use old hard disks (except in the Ultra bay with the help of a file attacking the little plastic holder). Yes, it would be nice if sales people knew all this stuff, but I certainly do NOT expect it and do not count on it, and try to find out as much as I can myself. What I have found is that I know some stuff that the salesman doesn't, and he knows some stuff I don't, and between us, I have been able to avoid surprises in the thinkpad line -- but, as I noted before I find it VERY useful to just go through the list of available accessories in the catalog before buying anything. I did that for the Tecra, for example. This is especially true if you are buying something pretty new. One of the troubles in the computer field is that things change rapidly. Very often the salesman has *not* seen the product you are buying, and if he does see it, then next month the fact he saw last mnths model is if anything likely to be misleading. So you don't get the usual effect of a sales person learning stuff. Of course the competence of sales peope varies tremendously. In some of the stores in NYC, I have been told MOST extraordinary things. My best experience is at Rockwell, where the sales people at least seem competent, and have not made the kind of statements that makes you wonder if they know what a computer is :-) I still can't count on them to know everything about new products they have barely seen themselves, but generally I have had good experience there, and frequently recommend the place to others (and so far I have not had any bad feedback). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 10:58:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26657; Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:58:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14164; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:50:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:47:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13683; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:47:46 -0400 Received: from orca.akula.com (root@orca.akula.com [206.216.189.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13677; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:47:44 -0400 Received: from [206.216.189.128] (dialup-28.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.128]) by orca.akula.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/akula) with SMTP id KAA26341; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:48:25 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:48:29 -0500 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: nil@akula.com (Stan Lobunets) Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Cc: jokim@mit.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:19 AM 7/19/96, Robert Dewar wrote: >John said >Of course the competence of sales peope varies tremendously. In some of >the stores in NYC, I have been told MOST extraordinary things. My best >experience is at Rockwell, where the sales people at least seem competent, >and have not made the kind of statements that makes you wonder if they >know what a computer is :-) I still can't count on them to know everything >about new products they have barely seen themselves, but generally I have >had good experience there, and frequently recommend the place to others >(and so far I have not had any bad feedback). Rocwell used to get a lot of bad rap about their Mac department, rightly so. I would not advise any novice computer user to buy anything from them (this actually applies to any retail or mail-order place). For example, a year or so ago they sold a Mac as having 16MB of RAM, while it actually had 8MB and running RAM Doubler. I stopped by that store once, and I found the salespeople extremely pushy, and lose complete interest in you as soon as they found out that I wasn't a "dummy." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 11:01:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26686; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:01:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14474; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:51:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:48:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13761; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:48:35 -0400 Received: from dmog10.bell.ca (dmog10.bell.ca [198.235.69.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13748; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:48:30 -0400 Received: from dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (dcoc41.qc.bell.ca [142.119.11.11]) by dmog10.bell.ca with ESMTP id KAA02030; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:47:48 -0400 Received: from dcocps.qc.bell.ca (dcocps.QC.Bell.CA [198.235.99.39]) by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca with SMTP id KAA21969; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:44:19 -0400 Received: from cmxc5q (blmi05-s08.QC.Bell.CA) by dcocps.qc.bell.ca (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09023; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:47:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9607191447.AA09023@dcocps.qc.bell.ca> From: "Eric Trepanier" To: , Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:49:11 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I believe this is more to keep the Thinkpad from radiating rf signals > that could interfer with radio and tv reception. Whatever it is, whatever purpose it serves, ThinkPads are the only laptops I have ever seen that use such a type of connector. I don't believe that IBM is the one that got it right... I've seen scores of laptops that use a short round-type connector, such as those found on many portable electrical appliances such as portable CD Players (Sony Discman) or plain old walkmans... The plain fact is that IBM's connector snaps off very easily. When its under warranty, it's no problem to get a new one from IBM, but after the warranty expires, it's gonna hurt me to have to pay ~125$ for such a piece of crap... Eric -- Eric Trepanier (514-391-8126) Bell Sygma Telecom Solutions Internet: etrepani@qc.bell.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 11:02:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26750; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:02:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14587; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:52:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:49:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14040; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:49:31 -0400 Received: from orca.akula.com (root@orca.akula.com [206.216.189.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14023; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:49:27 -0400 Received: from [206.216.189.128] (dialup-28.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.128]) by orca.akula.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/akula) with SMTP id KAA26352; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:50:19 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:50:23 -0500 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: nil@akula.com (Stan Lobunets) Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Cc: dewar@gnat.com, etrepani@qc.bell.ca, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:21 AM 7/19/96, Robert Dewar wrote: >I trust the monitor shelf is also in "handsome black" :-) >It sure is annoying when documents like this are full of junk details >and miss out the useful stuff! In the catalog that came with my 701, there was this keyboard that came in beige/white or black. They wanted $50 more for the black version ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 11:04:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26760; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:04:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15267; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:56:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:55:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15042; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:55:24 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15030; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:55:20 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA18637; Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:52:24 EDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:52:24 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607191452.AA18637@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, nil@akula.com Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Cc: etrepani@qc.bell.ca, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu nil said "In the catalog that came with my 701, there was this keyboard that came in beige/white or black. They wanted $50 more for the black version ;-) " Please, give credit where due, I am sure this was not merely black, but *handsome* black! :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 11:04:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26765; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:04:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15242; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:56:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:54:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14775; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:54:22 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14766; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:54:20 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA18293; Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:51:30 EDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:51:30 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607191451.AA18293@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, nil@akula.com Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Cc: jokim@mit.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu nil said "Rocwell used to get a lot of bad rap about their Mac department, rightly so. I would not advise any novice computer user to buy anything from them (this actually applies to any retail or mail-order place)." OK, I should clarify my recommendation -- I have NO dealings with the MAC side of the operation, only with the PC side, and there my experiences with the sales people have been pretty good. One thing that is definitely nice about Rockwell is the way they have many notebooks on display to try out, so it is a good place to visit to look at machines even if you don't buy one here. I have found their prices to be reasonable for systems (unlike some other NY stores they do not play the game of selling scarce machines well above list price), but their prices on memory are very high -- but you can always bargain!) P.S. if you advise novices not to buy from retail places and not to buy from mail-order places, where on earth *do* you advise them to buy. Seems to me a lot of products are only available in one of these two kinds of places! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 11:10:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27240; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:10:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15930; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:01:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:00:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15804; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:00:47 -0400 Received: from orca.akula.com (root@orca.akula.com [206.216.189.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15780; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:00:43 -0400 Received: from [206.216.189.128] (dialup-28.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.128]) by orca.akula.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/akula) with SMTP id LAA26526; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:01:43 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:01:46 -0500 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: nil@akula.com (Stan Lobunets) Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Cc: dewar@gnat.com, jokim@mit.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:51 AM 7/19/96, Robert Dewar wrote: >P.S. if you advise novices not to buy from retail places and not to buy >from mail-order places, where on earth *do* you advise them to buy. Seems >to me a lot of products are only available in one of these two kinds of >places! Oh, I always have them bring me along. Gives me a chance to play with all the new toys. As for NYC stores, J&R reps seem to be knowledgable somewhat, and they do let you play with the machines. But their return policy is unacceptable to me (10 days and only store credit, or 15% restocking fee). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 11:38:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28520; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:38:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18459; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:30:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:28:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18126; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:27:58 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18118; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:27:55 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id KAA16452 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:27:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id KAA08225 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:27:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:27:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: help-HD swap Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm trying to replace the original 340 hd with a western digital 540. Got the novastore recovery diskette and tape all set, managed to get the hd plastic caddy open and the new hd installed. Now, how do I get into bios setup to tell it about the new hd parameters? do I need to? I got into the "easysetup" program, but get to recognize the hd. Also, it won't boot off the floppy now, although it did after I put the new hd in but before I poked around in "easy setup" Any comments or suggestions will be gratefully appreciated. Is there a site for FAQ's on this subject? BTW, it's a 750c, 12 meg ram total, qlogic pcmcia scsi, python dat. thanks...harry seaman From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 11:48:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28902; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:48:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19422; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:38:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:37:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19311; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:37:53 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19305; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:37:51 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA00484; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:35:01 EDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:35:01 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607191535.AA00484@nile.gnat.com> To: hseaman@execpc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: help-HD swap I don't think you need to do anything to have the BIOS recognize the new disk (at least this is true with IBM disks). As for booting off floppy, you most likely accidentally told easysetup not to boot from the floppy, go into the appropriate screen, and make sure that the floppy is set as your primary boot device (i.e. it is sitting in the first box on the screen). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 11:48:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28907; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:48:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19113; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:35:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:34:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18833; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:34:30 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18825; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:34:28 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA29427; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:31:35 EDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:31:35 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607191531.AA29427@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, nil@akula.com Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Cc: jokim@MIT.EDU, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu ah so, you advise them to buy at a retail store, but to take someone along who can advise them -- sure that's good advice -- I have helped a lot of people buy stuff, but I must say my experience with J&R has been poor, not nearly so good as Rockwell -- of course I am a good customer at Rockwell, and they all know me, and that helps! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 12:01:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29700; Fri, 19 Jul 96 12:01:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21288; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:54:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:53:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21186; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:53:52 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21180; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:53:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id LAA28153; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:54:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:54:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Harry Seaman Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: help-HD swap In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Harry Seaman wrote: > I'm trying to replace the original 340 hd with a western digital 540. Got > the novastore recovery diskette and tape all set, managed to get the hd > plastic caddy open and the new hd installed. 540 is an EIDE drive. You may need to flash upgrade your BIOS. When the 750s first came out, only 170 and 340 MB drives were available. When the 755's and 540/810 MB EIDE drives became available, IBM put out a BIOS update for the 750s so they could use the EIDE drives. You can get the latest BIOS from ftp.pcco.ibm.com in /pub/mobiles. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 12:10:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29882; Fri, 19 Jul 96 12:10:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22088; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:02:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:01:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21980; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:01:50 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21970; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:01:48 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA06677; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:58:29 EDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:58:29 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607191558.AA06677@nile.gnat.com> To: hseaman@execpc.com, jokim@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: help-HD swap Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Ah that is absolutely right, I had to do the BIOS upgrade for my 750 to get it to recognize the new disks, sorry I forgot that! -------- "540 is an EIDE drive. You may need to flash upgrade your BIOS. When the 750s first came out, only 170 and 340 MB drives were available. When the 755's and 540/810 MB EIDE drives became available, IBM put out a BIOS update for the 750s so they could use the EIDE drives. You can get the latest BIOS from ftp.pcco.ibm.com in /pub/mobiles." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 12:32:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00421; Fri, 19 Jul 96 12:32:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12256; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:27:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:24:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11845; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:24:42 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11834; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:24:38 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09991; Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:21:46 EDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:21:46 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607191421.AA09991@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, etrepani@qc.bell.ca Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu I trust the monitor shelf is also in "handsome black" :-) It sure is annoying when documents like this are full of junk details and miss out the useful stuff! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 12:47:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01121; Fri, 19 Jul 96 12:47:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25672; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:43:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:39:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25284; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:39:27 -0400 Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25278; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:39:24 -0400 Received: (from whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA00793; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:39:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:39:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 750 (ahem) P Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does Windows 95 have Pen support? How about NT or OS/2? Will my Windows 3.1 Pen drivers work with 95? Chris (Still plugging away with Win 3.11, 4! MB of ram and 170MB disk) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 13:53:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05205; Fri, 19 Jul 96 13:53:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00423; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:47:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:43:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29978; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:43:45 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@Eisner.DECUS.Org [192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29972; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:43:43 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I79BRXHECG002UM9@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:43:38 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs In-Reply-To: <9607191447.AA09023@dcocps.qc.bell.ca> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <837798218.85000.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > The plain fact is that IBM's connector snaps off very easily. I can't argue with that, and would ask any IBM people reading this list to please try their best to put all the rf chokes, ferrite beads and/or whatever inside the Thinkpad itself. Or do something like the USA telephone cable supplied with my 755 that has a little ball on one end formed by winding the cable itself though it a few times. That kind of thing is much easier to live with as there's no chance of breaking off something protruding from the computer itself. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 14:02:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05703; Fri, 19 Jul 96 14:02:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01216; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:58:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:57:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01049; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:57:19 -0400 Received: from news1.radix.net (news1.radix.net [204.157.34.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01043; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:57:16 -0400 Received: from dialin23.annex3.radix.net (dialin23.annex3.radix.net [204.157.137.46]) by news1.radix.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA15688 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:58:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199607191758.NAA15688@news1.radix.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "kevin king" To: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:57:29 -0500 Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Reply-To: xanadu@radix.net Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) > > Did you tell him you wanted to pu the monitor on top of the unit? If not > > how is he supposd to mind read. > > Oh come on! A guy calls a sales rep, and orders a laptop, a monitor and a > docking station. You really expect him to have to tell the rep "I am going > to put the monitor on top of the docking station"??? > Tell me, does anything here suggest that you will not be > able to put a monitor on top of the Dock II alone? > > Dock II: The feature-rich, full-function desktop unit > Most likely, you will want to complement your Dock II with an external > keyboard and an external monitor. Dock II, keyboards and monitors are all > available in handsome black. I totally agree with you Eric. The monitor shelf is a scam and a rip-off. As you have proven, it is not clearly mentioned in the literature despite it's necessity. And the price for this part is ridiculous. Also - let the buyer beware holds true, but that's not valid as an excuse for incompetent salespeople. kevin From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 14:25:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06595; Fri, 19 Jul 96 14:25:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03115; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:23:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:22:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03015; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:22:04 -0400 Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03009; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:22:02 -0400 Received: from milou.jrn.columbia.edu (milou.jrn.columbia.edu [128.59.192.33]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id OAA14937 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960719182150.00897254@jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:21:50 -0400 To: From: Yann Nicolas Subject: Dock II question... What exactly comes in a Dock II docking station? I'd like to dock my ThinkPad 701 so I can have access to a CD-ROM drive... Now for $600+ for a Dock II, what do you get? Do you have to buy the SCSI CD-ROM drive extra? Thanks. -- Yann Nicolas Systems Manager - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 16:08:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11624; Fri, 19 Jul 96 16:08:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11655; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:04:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:00:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11289; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:00:28 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11277; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:00:22 -0400 Received: from hyper (dwhite@hyper.shadow.net [204.177.71.251]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA17993; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside X-Sender: dwhite@hyper To: Yann Nicolas Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Dock II question... In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960719182150.00897254@jrn.columbia.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Yann Nicolas wrote: > What exactly comes in a Dock II docking station? I'd like to dock my > ThinkPad 701 so I can have access to a CD-ROM drive... Now for $600+ for a > Dock II, what do you get? Do you have to buy the SCSI CD-ROM drive extra? Yes. Really, the dock is a glorified port replicator. There is room for two internal devices, meaning a HD and a CD. The CD doesn't have to be scsi, I imagine, tho I have never tried putting an IDE drive in. The big advantage of the dock is the SCSI controller. However, if you don't need to put another drive in, I strongly reccomend the port replicator. You can get a SCSI PCMCIA card fairly inexpensively and the $100 or $250 PR and still come out with more money than the dock would leave you. I might have a different attitude if they at least included the tray to put the monitor on... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 16:17:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11960; Fri, 19 Jul 96 16:17:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12493; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:11:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:10:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12160; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:10:11 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12025; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:08:43 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id PAA22113; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:08:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id PAA29734; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:07:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:07:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: Robert Dewar Cc: jokim@MIT.EDU, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: help-HD swap In-Reply-To: <9607191558.AA06677@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > Ah that is absolutely right, I had to do the BIOS upgrade for my 750 to > get it to recognize the new disks, sorry I forgot that! > > -------- > > "540 is an EIDE drive. You may need to flash upgrade your BIOS. When > the 750s first came out, only 170 and 340 MB drives were available. > When the 755's and 540/810 MB EIDE drives became available, IBM put > out a BIOS update for the 750s so they could use the EIDE drives. > You can get the latest BIOS from ftp.pcco.ibm.com in /pub/mobiles." > Thanks to all for the help. I just flashed the latest bios (sytps142) but fdisk still says no hard disk found. Also, easysetup test shows hdd-1 greyed out. I'm think it's a bad hard drive... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 16:21:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11980; Fri, 19 Jul 96 16:21:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12938; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:16:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:15:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12800; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:15:33 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12777; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:15:28 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA189311 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 20:14:48 GMT Received: from slip129-37-211-66.wi.us.ibm.net(129.37.211.66) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smau08Dmb; Fri Jul 19 20:13:47 1996 Message-Id: <31EFEB24.1114@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:13:57 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Wilson" Reply-To: jcwilso@ibm.net Organization: Badger Valve & Fitting X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5a (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Dock II Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yann, I have a Dock II station for use w/ my 755cx and I love it. I have an external SCSI ZIP Drive, printer, internal SCSI HD and internal SCSI CD-ROM connected to it. Along with an expanded keyboard w/ a TrackPoint it works like a charm. I ran out of money for a good quality external monitor so I get by w/ the TP's 10.4" TFT screen. The Dock II Features are: Speaker-in jacks Audio out jacks Headphone jack stereo speakers connector for external floppy drive connector for external keyboard connector for mouse or other pointer device parallel port serial port SVGA video port 2 ISA adapter card slots 1 1" Drive bay (this is where my CD-ROM is installed) 1 1/2 height bay (this is where my SCSI HD goes) External SCSI port 2 PCMCIA slots Installation of internal components is pretty easy. I particularly like having the SCSI adapter built in... makes adding devices a breeze. If you plan on using an external monitor you will probably want to buy the display shelf to rest it on (shelf covers the TP when docked and the monitor sits on top). Good Luck What exactly comes in a Dock II docking station? I'd like to dock my ThinkPad 701 so I can have access to a CD-ROM drive... Now for $600+ for a Dock II, what do you get? Do you have to buy the SCSI CD-ROM drive extra? Thanks. -- Yann Nicolas Systems Manager - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html Joseph C. Wilson jcwilso@ibm.net Milwaukee, WI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 16:22:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12297; Fri, 19 Jul 96 16:22:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13232; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:18:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:17:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13085; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:17:16 -0400 Received: from express.anatcp.rockwell.com (express.anatcp.rockwell.com [129.172.33.83]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13058; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:17:12 -0400 Received: from ccmail.anatcp.rockwell.com (smtpsend.anatcp.rockwell.com [129.172.33.71]) by express.anatcp.rockwell.com (8.7.1/1995103001) with SMTP id NAA27290 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ccmail.anatcp.rockwell.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA837807488; Fri, 19 Jul 96 13:16:31 PST Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 13:16:31 PST From: "James S. Dickson" Message-Id: <9606198378.AA837807488@ccmail.anatcp.rockwell.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Modem on 701 I am new to this mailing list, and this subject may have been covered before. I have a 701cs, with the internal modem. Whenever I connect to my ISP or a BBS, my connection only lasts for about 5 minutes, and then disconnects. I have seen the same symptoms using a winsock, or even just windows terminal. I sent my 701 back to IBM, and they replaced the modem, but I have the same problem. I am using Windows 3.11, Windows terminal program, and Microsoft Explorer's winsock program. When I use a MegaHertz PCMCIA 14.4k, I do not have this problem. Any ideas? -- J. Scott Dickson From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 19 23:25:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04213; Fri, 19 Jul 96 23:25:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12478; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 23:24:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 19 Jul 1996 23:19:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12108; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 23:19:46 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12024; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 23:19:35 -0400 Received: from liv-21.rust.net (liv-21.rust.net [206.42.195.121]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA27278; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 23:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 23:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960719232023.1c6f1be0@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "James S. Dickson" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: Modem on 701 At 01:16 PM 7/19/96 PST, you wrote: >I am new to this mailing list, and this subject may have been covered >before. > >I have a 701cs, with the internal modem. Whenever I connect to my ISP >or a BBS, my connection only lasts for about 5 minutes, and then >disconnects. I have seen the same symptoms using a winsock, or even >just windows terminal. I sent my 701 back to IBM, and they replaced the >modem, but I have the same problem. I am using Windows 3.11, Windows >terminal program, and Microsoft Explorer's winsock program. When I use >a MegaHertz PCMCIA 14.4k, I do not have this problem. Any ideas? > > -- J. Scott Dickson > > I had the same problem with my 701C. IBM told me that they know about the problem but since it's discontinued I doubt any fix is forth coming. I switched to a Megahertz cellular 28.8 pcmcia modem which works perfect. The only time it drops, is when I do the dropping. Life is to short to surf through life at less than 28.8... B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 20 11:12:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04900; Sat, 20 Jul 96 11:12:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29081; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 11:08:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 20 Jul 1996 10:58:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28473; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 10:58:38 -0400 Received: from internet.colpal.com (firewall-user@internet.colpal.com [192.132.217.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28466; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 10:58:26 -0400 From: Received: by internet.colpal.com; id AA26294; Sat, 20 Jul 96 11:00:04 EDT Received: from unknown(167.228.1.40) by internet.colpal.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma026270; Sat, 20 Jul 96 10:59:53 -0400 Received: from ccMail by colpal.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA837885522; Sat, 20 Jul 96 09:54:35 EST Date: Sat, 20 Jul 96 09:54:35 EST Encoding: 43 Text Message-Id: <9606208378.AA837885522@colpal.com> To: Harry Seaman , "John H. Kim" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: help-HD swap Hey, I'll check the site to verify what you are saying but it defies my current reality. EIDE is a different standard with different pin outs. I have freely been swapping hard drives between laptops for Years and IDE drives have been easily swapable. The 540 and 810 drives from IBM are IDE not EIDE. It is conceivable that a BIOS upgrade was needed to upgrade but this does not make IDE into EIDE. IBM started using EIDE with the 760 series and with the 1.2 GB drives. On these machines you can not use the old hard disks in the standard bay!...Someone on this list posted that one can get the old disks in the Ultra Bay. I am anxious to try this but earlier discussions with IBM tech's indicated that this couldn't be done. We will see! If the drive you purchased is IDE (Likely) then you may indeed need a bios upgrade to get it to work but if the drive is EIDE (Unlikely) I would send it back and get an IDE drive. Keith ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: help-HD swap Author: "John H. Kim" at INTERNET Date: 7/19/96 11:54 AM On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Harry Seaman wrote: > I'm trying to replace the original 340 hd with a western digital 540. Got > the novastore recovery diskette and tape all set, managed to get the hd > plastic caddy open and the new hd installed. 540 is an EIDE drive. You may need to flash upgrade your BIOS. When the 750s first came out, only 170 and 340 MB drives were available. When the 755's and 540/810 MB EIDE drives became available, IBM put out a BIOS update for the 750s so they could use the EIDE drives. You can get the latest BIOS from ftp.pcco.ibm.com in /pub/mobiles. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 20 11:16:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04924; Sat, 20 Jul 96 11:16:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29452; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 11:14:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 20 Jul 1996 11:13:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29359; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 11:13:12 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29352; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 11:13:10 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09729; Sat, 20 Jul 96 11:10:21 EDT Date: Sat, 20 Jul 96 11:10:21 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607201510.AA09729@nile.gnat.com> To: hseaman@execpc.com, jokim@MIT.EDU, keith_mishkind@colpal.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: help-HD swap Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu " IBM started using EIDE with the 760 series and with the 1.2 GB drives. On these machines you can not use the old hard disks in the standard bay!...Someone on this list posted that one can get the old disks in the Ultra Bay. I am anxious to try this but earlier discussions with IBM tech's indicated that this couldn't be done. We will see! " The someone is me, it works perfectly fine, I do it all the time (this message is coming to you from a 760CD with two hard disks, the one in the ultrabay is an old 170, but I have tried 170's 340's and 810's and so far they all worked. What I had to do was to carve out the plastic holder so that it would accomodate the stupid extra ridge. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 20 12:13:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07489; Sat, 20 Jul 96 12:13:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02743; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:09:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:07:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02629; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:07:12 -0400 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02623; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:07:08 -0400 Received: from edita.cs.washington.edu (carlo.non.cs.washington.edu [128.95.8.173]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id JAA06537 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 09:06:56 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960720160431.00663cc8@june.cs.washington.edu> X-Sender: hanks@june.cs.washington.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 09:04:31 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: hanks Subject: Battery problem w/ 755CDV First my apologies, since I know this was discussed recently (and if anybody can point me to archives for this list, I'd appreciate it). I just bought two new batteries for my 755CDV, and the part number are both identical to that of my original. Neither battery seems to be recognized, however: the fuel panel shows empty, and when I try to do the drain/recharge cycle, I get a message saying "You must have a batter inserted." Also, shortly after I disconnect the AC cord I get the warning sounds and sights indicating low battery. Both batteries seem to be fine, however, since I can run the machine off of both of them for a reasonable period of time. Thanks for any help, Steve. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 20 12:55:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08944; Sat, 20 Jul 96 12:55:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05100; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:51:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:49:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04869; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:49:39 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04863; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:49:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id MAA02881; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:50:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:50:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: keith_mishkind@colpal.com Cc: Harry Seaman , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: help-HD swap In-Reply-To: <9606208378.AA837885522@colpal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Jul 1996 keith_mishkind@colpal.com wrote: > Hey, I'll check the site to verify what you are saying but it defies > my current reality. EIDE is a different standard with different pin > outs. I have freely been swapping hard drives between laptops for > Years and IDE drives have been easily swapable. The 540 and 810 > drives from IBM are IDE not EIDE. It is conceivable that a BIOS > upgrade was needed to upgrade but this does not make IDE into EIDE. I think they put out a new standard when I wasn't looking. What I meant by EIDE was the hard drive hid the physical layout so you could have >1024 cylinders. Both the 540 and 810 MB drives have > 1024 cylinders. For them to work in the 750 series, you need an updated (Thinkpad) BIOS. The term for this was originally EIDE since it extended the number of cylinders you could have in an IDE drive. I had no idea things had developed to the point of being physically different from IDE drives. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 20 17:39:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22693; Sat, 20 Jul 96 17:39:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20562; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 17:38:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 20 Jul 1996 17:34:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20198; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 17:34:30 -0400 Received: from dnai.com ([140.174.162.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20190; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 17:34:19 -0400 Received: from SCSOFFICE ([198.68.129.50]) by dnai.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04114 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 14:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607202131.OAA04114@dnai.com> From: "David A. Silva" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 20 Jul 96 14:34:29 Reply-To: "David A. Silva" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: David A. Silva's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: subscription request On Sat, 20 Jul 1996 16:53:41 -0400, thinkpad-request@CS.UTK.EDU wrote: >Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you have, >how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), >and what operating system(s) you are using. Hello. Finally purchased a Thinkpad ( I have been drooling over TPs for quite a while ). I have a TP560 P120 with 810M HD and 24 M ram. I use 3COM 3C589 Ethernet and a USR Sportster V34 PCCards, and for CDRom installation I use an Adaptec MiniSCSI EPP parallel SCSI cable. I left the original Win95 stuff on it for occasional use, but installed Warp Connect for my daily business use. I know Brett Glass at Infoworld wrote of the hard time he had setting up OS/2 on his TP560, but I had no trouble here - I copied the OS/2 partitions from my older AST notebook to the new machine, and then installed Warp on top of it. Painless! My only wish is that the third party memory makers would release a 32 meg module at a reasonable price! David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 http://www.scsconsult.com for details From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 20 18:33:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24738; Sat, 20 Jul 96 18:33:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23630; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 18:32:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 20 Jul 1996 18:31:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23527; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 18:31:01 -0400 Received: from patty.loop.net ([204.179.169.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23521; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 18:30:58 -0400 Received: from pma3_161.loop.com (pma3_161.loop.com [207.17.84.161]) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA18639 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 15:30:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199607202230.PAA18639@patty.loop.net> X-Sender: howie@pop.loop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 15:29:37 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Howard Subject: Re: Modem on 701 Greetings. This is my first post to the group after subscribing a few weeks ago. I have a 701c running Windows 3.11 and initially had a bear of a time with the modem. After much tweaking, it has been quite reliable, but by now it's unclear which of my adjustments made the ultimate difference. I shall present most of them for any and all who might be in need of the information, since it seems many 701 owners have had the problem. I must add at the outset that one problem particular to the 701 internal modem is the chance of it completely freezing. It seems like a hardware problem, during unplanned disconnects. In these instances, one cannot get the modem to respond, even if exiting all programs, including windows. There is one way to deal with this besides the otherwise necessary power off/on reboot: Hibernate the computer and bring it back out (Fn+F12, restart with power switch) This seems to unfreeze the modem while allowing you to remain within windows and open applications. Ok, on with various suggestions: 1.) Use an alternate comm driver. I am using the CyberCom V1.1.0.0P driver from Cybersoft Corp. This driver makes better use of the 16550 UARTserial port chip on the 701 than the original Microsoft comm.drv driver. The Cybercom driver is widely available as Shareware over the internet. If the 701 came with Faxworks pre-installed, the driver that is installed for use is listed in the [boot] section of system.ini: The following line was changed by the FaxWorks install= COMM.DRV=fx-comm.drv This Faxworks driver does NOT work well as a general comm driver. 2.) In the system.ini file, I have added the following under [386Enh] com1fifo=1 com1buffer=1024 comboosttime=8 These additions were mentioned in Trumpet Winsock (which I use) documentation to aid comm overuns (which tend to be the problem with the modem) 3.) In config.sys file, I have increased files and buffers. (This was the fix for disconnects with America Online (blush :-)) and I don't know if it still applies, but overall everything is working.... FILES=45 BUFFERS=35,0 4.) Port settings in Control Panel: The settings for the modem port (usually com1) includes a baud rate of 38400. This is important since this determines the speed the modem sends data to the processor, not the over the phone line. Due to the nature of the UART chip, the data from modem to cpu can and should move faster than the actual modem speed. 5.) IBM documentation suggests better modem performance if you use the configuration utility (Fn+F1) to select a processor speed of 25/75 Mhz as opposed to Auto. (This will not make or break a connection.) These are the basic changes that can affect all modem connections. There are then issues relating to winsock connections (which I still have not completely mastered!). I hope has not been too in-depth, and helps others with 701 internal modem problems. -Howard Simpson At 01:16 PM 7/19/96 PST, "James S. Dickson" wrote: >I am new to this mailing list, and this subject may have been covered >before. > >I have a 701cs, with the internal modem. Whenever I connect to my ISP >or a BBS, my connection only lasts for about 5 minutes, and then >disconnects. I have seen the same symptoms using a winsock, or even >just windows terminal. I sent my 701 back to IBM, and they replaced the >modem, but I have the same problem. I am using Windows 3.11, Windows >terminal program, and Microsoft Explorer's winsock program. When I use >a MegaHertz PCMCIA 14.4k, I do not have this problem. Any ideas? > > -- J. Scott Dickson > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 20 20:32:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29503; Sat, 20 Jul 96 20:32:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28892; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 20:31:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 20 Jul 1996 20:28:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28695; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 20:28:00 -0400 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (root@linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28689; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 20:27:55 -0400 Received: from warper.teuto.de by linteuto.teuto.de with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0uhmN8-000k5sC; Sun, 21 Jul 96 02:27 MET DST Message-Id: From: "Philipp Adelt" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Sun, 21 Jul 96 02:26:12 +0100 Reply-To: "Philipp Adelt" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Philipp Adelt's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: German MWave-modem on TP755CD Hi everyone! I think I'm extremely dumb at the moment, but I just can't figure out why the following is happening: I have a clean hard disk in a tp755CD. I install OS/2, all the stuff needed for MWave and after Installation of the 2 MWave diskettes (version 2.02) I should have the modem ready, right? So I hooked the DAA to the MWave port and opened some comm program. But nothing happened. Then I looked at the Country Selection and voil=85, there the problem was: I only have "USA and Kanada" and "Japan" to choose from. BUT: I need Germany, so my German DAA will work. Could somebody PLEASE help me? I have the same thing running on another disk, so what did I do wrong? Thanks for any help! Ciao, Philipp! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 20 21:35:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01728; Sat, 20 Jul 96 21:35:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02823; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 21:34:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 20 Jul 1996 21:32:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02713; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 21:32:19 -0400 Received: from mail-a.bcc.ac.uk (mail-a.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02707; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 21:32:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199607210132.VAA02707@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from dialup-14.ucl.ac.uk by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 02:32:12 +0100 X-Sender: ucklw08@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Dr. Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Thinkpad 750Cs Software Audio -- Game Compatibility ??? Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:32:14 +0000 Does anyone have any experience or hints for running PC-DOS simulation games on Thinkpad 750Cs? I am mostly interested in running the following simulations: o Ace of the Deep -- Sierra o Flight Simulator 5.1 -- MicroSoft o US Navy Fighters -- Electronic Arts Thanks, AJ Annala p.s. Does anyone know how to run Microsoft Flight Simulator 5.1 (CDROM version) after loading over Adaptec PCMCIA SlimSCSI adaptor from Toshiba CDROM drive? What do you need to do to run Flight Simulator without the CDROM drive attached? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 00:57:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09527; Sun, 21 Jul 96 00:57:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16897; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:55:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:50:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16688; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:50:30 -0400 Received: from ndcrelay.mci.com (ndcrelay.mci.com [199.249.18.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16658; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:50:21 -0400 Received: by ndcrelay.mci.com; (8.6.12/1.1.8.2/07Nov95-0827AM) id AAA27160; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:49:43 -0400 Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com by ndcrelay.mci.com; (8.6.12/1.1.8.2/14Nov95-0411PM) id AAA20565; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:49:42 -0400 Received: from ppp94.cs.mci.com by pop1a.mail.mci.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/24Apr96-0705PM) id AA25872; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 23:49:39 -0500 From: "Joe Leonard" Message-Id: <960720234324.ZM17734@7908921> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 23:43:11 -0600 X-Mailer: Z-Mail 1.401.0 (1.401.0 Mar 15 1996) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: New Member to list.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi All..... as requested.....I'm new to the list, so here are my particulars.... I am running Win95 on a TP755CD (p75) with 24 Mb of RAM and a 1.2 Gb HD..... I do a lot of networking stuff as I am a Networking Consultant for MCI Business Markets. I use an IBM T/R PCMCIA card in the office when I can attach to the LAN, or I dial in from anywhere else using a variety of dial-up networking options. I am also (just now) installing Linux (intel version of Unix) on a 340 Mb hd just to gain some experience with Unix. (yeah, i know....i'm a glutton for punishment!!) I'm really a networking guy working my way up the protocol stack into the application layers.....and as such will probably ask more questions than i will answer on this list....but if i can help.....:^) I'll certainly try! Joe Leonard MCI Business Markets, St. Louis, MO joe.leonard@mci.com (314)719-3134 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 01:08:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09726; Sun, 21 Jul 96 01:08:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17560; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:06:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:05:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17375; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:05:00 -0400 Received: from omzrelay.mci.com (omzrelay.mci.com [199.249.19.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17369; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:04:57 -0400 Received: by omzrelay.mci.com; (8.6.12/1.1.8.2/07Nov95-0827AM) id AAA01567; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:04:17 -0500 Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com by omzrelay.mci.com; (8.6.12/1.1.8.2/14Nov95-0411PM) id AAA24384; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:04:17 -0500 Received: from ppp94.cs.mci.com by pop1a.mail.mci.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/24Apr96-0705PM) id AA27696; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:04:11 -0500 From: "Joe Leonard" Message-Id: <960720235756.ZM17734@7908921> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 23:57:47 -0600 X-Mailer: Z-Mail 1.401.0 (1.401.0 Mar 15 1996) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux on 755CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone else out there been successful (or brave enough) in getting all of the peripheral devices operating properly with Linux as the operating system? Specifically... 1) Mwave Modem 2) IBM 4/16 T/R PCMCIA card 3) internal CDROM Thanks, Joe Leonard MCI Business Markets, St. Louis, MO joe.leonard@mci.com (314)719-3134 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 02:00:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11899; Sun, 21 Jul 96 02:00:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19785; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:59:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:57:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19653; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:57:48 -0400 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca [206.75.222.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19647; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:57:43 -0400 Received: from dec.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA30376; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 23:57:24 -0600 From: pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) Received: by dec; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/05Apr96-0129PM) id AA01841; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 23:58:57 -0600 Message-Id: <9607210558.AA01841@dec> Subject: Re: Linux on 755CD To: Joe.Leonard@MCI.Com (Joe Leonard) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 23:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <960720235756.ZM17734@7908921> from "Joe Leonard" at Jul 20, 96 11:57:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Has anyone else out there been successful (or brave enough) > in getting all of the peripheral devices operating properly > with Linux as the operating system? I have been running Linux on my 755CD for the last two years. Works pretty good but the MWave stuff is not fully supported. If you boot DOS first and initialize the MWave, then the Sound Blaster emulation and listening to audio CDs works. No go on the modem part though. I have not used the PCMCIA card you mention. I use a GVC ethernet card and a GVC modem card which both work great. The only trick with it is the CDROM drive. The 1.2.13 Linux kernels don't support it very well and it loses data. The problem was fixed in the first 1.3 release so its easy to patch 1.2.13 by copying the drivers/block/ ide-cd.c stuff from a 1.3.1 release or just upgrade to the newest 2.0.x kernels. Let me know if I can help you more! > Specifically... > > 1) Mwave Modem > 2) IBM 4/16 T/R PCMCIA card > 3) internal CDROM > > Thanks, > > Joe Leonard > MCI Business Markets, St. Louis, MO > joe.leonard@mci.com > (314)719-3134 +----------------------------Ren & Stimpy--------------------------------+ | "Psst. Hey Guido. It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the | | cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it. That's | | why he's gonna kill us. So we gotta beat it. Yeah. Before he lets | | loose the marmosets on us! Don't worry, little missy! I'll save you!" | +------------------ Brad Pepers -- pepersb@cuug.ab.ca -------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 02:00:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11895; Sun, 21 Jul 96 02:00:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19784; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:59:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:56:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19592; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:56:37 -0400 Received: from is.nyu.edu (mdk1143@IS.NYU.EDU [128.122.253.134]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19586; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:56:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by is.nyu.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/23Sep94-1121PM) id AA07950; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:56:24 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:56:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Klenner To: Joe Leonard Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Member to list.... In-Reply-To: <960720234324.ZM17734@7908921> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, Joe Leonard wrote: > I am also (just now) installing Linux (intel version of > Unix) on a 340 Mb hd just to gain some experience with > Unix. (yeah, i know....i'm a glutton for punishment!!) Linux is not Unix and Unix is not Linux. What Linux is is a freeware operating system that looks, feels, and acts like Unix, and comes in any number of flavors that are kludgy at best, and really floow no standardizations. If you want Unix on an Intel based machine, get ahold of either BSD, or FreeBSD (which is in fact free, like Linux) or better yet, Solaris for x86, which are both true blue versions of Unix which run on Intel boxes. -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 02:09:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11989; Sun, 21 Jul 96 02:09:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20336; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 02:07:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 02:06:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20248; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 02:06:20 -0400 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca [206.75.222.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20242; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 02:06:17 -0400 Received: from dec.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA13730; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:06:12 -0600 From: pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) Received: by dec; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/05Apr96-0129PM) id AA04250; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:07:46 -0600 Message-Id: <9607210607.AA04250@dec> Subject: Re: New Member to list.... To: mdk1143@is.nyu.edu (Michael Klenner) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Michael Klenner" at Jul 21, 96 01:56:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, Joe Leonard wrote: > > > I am also (just now) installing Linux (intel version of > > Unix) on a 340 Mb hd just to gain some experience with > > Unix. (yeah, i know....i'm a glutton for punishment!!) > > Linux is not Unix and Unix is not Linux. What Linux is is a freeware > operating system that looks, feels, and acts like Unix, and comes in any > number of flavors that are kludgy at best, and really floow no > standardizations. If you want Unix on an Intel based machine, get ahold > of either BSD, or FreeBSD (which is in fact free, like Linux) or better > yet, Solaris for x86, which are both true blue versions of Unix which run > on Intel boxes. I will *not* get into any flame war over this but I totally disagree. Linux is as much Unix as anything else like SCO, BSD, ... In my opinion it is better in many ways (faster, better support, ...). It is in no way kludgy and follows many standards (there is a group that is obtaining the various standards needed to use the Unix name and I believe they already have some of the Posix standards and FIPS - Linus recently incorporated the changes and the only ones left were for some of the stranger requirements). Linux kicks Solaris' ass speed wise (as it also does SCO). Anyone who want clarification please email me about it. I really don't want a flame war but wanted to give a separate opinion. Please do not take a single opinion one way or another. Look around on the web for info and talk to lots of people. > -Mike +----------------------------Ren & Stimpy--------------------------------+ | "Psst. Hey Guido. It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the | | cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it. That's | | why he's gonna kill us. So we gotta beat it. Yeah. Before he lets | | loose the marmosets on us! Don't worry, little missy! I'll save you!" | +------------------ Brad Pepers -- pepersb@cuug.ab.ca -------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 02:47:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29982; Sun, 21 Jul 96 02:47:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21844; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 02:41:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 02:40:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21605; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 02:40:14 -0400 Received: from omzrelay.mci.com (omzrelay.mci.com [199.249.19.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21591; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 02:40:11 -0400 Received: by omzrelay.mci.com; (8.6.12/1.1.8.2/07Nov95-0827AM) id BAA19960; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:39:35 -0500 Received: from pop1a.mail.mci.com by omzrelay.mci.com; (8.6.12/1.1.8.2/14Nov95-0411PM) id BAA21399; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:39:34 -0500 Received: from ppp93.cs.mci.com by pop1a.mail.mci.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/24Apr96-0705PM) id AA10261; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:39:31 -0500 From: "Joe Leonard" Message-Id: <960721013316.ZM13286@7908921> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:33:08 -0600 In-Reply-To: pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) "Re: New Member to list...." (Jul 21, 12:07am) References: <9607210607.AA04250@dec> X-Mailer: Z-Mail 1.401.0 (1.401.0 Mar 15 1996) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Member to list.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for the responses....I can certainly say i'm now motivated to do some more digging on the points both of you have brought up!! joe On Jul 21, 12:07am, Brad Pepers wrote: > Subject: Re: New Member to list.... > > On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, Joe Leonard wrote: > > > > > I am also (just now) installing Linux (intel version of > > > Unix) on a 340 Mb hd just to gain some experience with > > > Unix. (yeah, i know....i'm a glutton for punishment!!) > > > > Linux is not Unix and Unix is not Linux. What Linux is is a freeware > > operating system that looks, feels, and acts like Unix, and comes in any > > number of flavors that are kludgy at best, and really floow no > > standardizations. If you want Unix on an Intel based machine, get ahold > > of either BSD, or FreeBSD (which is in fact free, like Linux) or better > > yet, Solaris for x86, which are both true blue versions of Unix which run > > on Intel boxes. > > I will *not* get into any flame war over this but I totally disagree. > Linux is as much Unix as anything else like SCO, BSD, ... In my opinion > it is better in many ways (faster, better support, ...). It is in no > way kludgy and follows many standards (there is a group that is obtaining > the various standards needed to use the Unix name and I believe they > already have some of the Posix standards and FIPS - Linus recently > incorporated the changes and the only ones left were for some of the > stranger requirements). Linux kicks Solaris' ass speed wise (as it > also does SCO). > > Anyone who want clarification please email me about it. I really don't > want a flame war but wanted to give a separate opinion. > > Please do not take a single opinion one way or another. Look around on > the web for info and talk to lots of people. > > > -Mike > >-- End of excerpt from Brad Pepers From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 03:35:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01528; Sun, 21 Jul 96 03:35:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25889; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 03:34:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 03:31:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25450; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 03:31:23 -0400 Received: from igate.ska.com (firewall-user@igate.ska.com [198.240.202.195]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25426; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 03:31:03 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by igate.ska.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) id JAA18522 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 09:24:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mx2.ska.com(198.240.223.100) by igate.ska.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma018520; Sun, 21 Jul 96 09:24:11 +0200 Received: from firestorm (firestorm.foa.ska.com [159.122.18.221]) by mx2.ska.com (8.7.5+phmap-1.3/8.7.3/MX1-02-APR-96) with ESMTP id JAA28548 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 09:30:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from wsf20 (wsf20 [159.122.18.180]) by firestorm (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA22547 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 09:28:06 +0200 Received: from wsf20 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wsf20 (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA00693 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 09:29:26 +0200 Sender: Alan.Hodgkinson@ska.com Message-Id: <31F1DC55.6FEB@ska.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 09:29:25 +0200 From: Alan Hodgkinson Organization: Credit Suisse, Zurich X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: German MWave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Philipp, The country you select when configurating MWave doesn't necessarily have to be where you are located. I think it is used to select a set of parameters that describe the countries approximate phone parameters (e.g. the dial tone). When configuring my MWave modem (from Switzerland), I just tried each country that was available and evettually got the modem to work. (I think the correct country was USA for Switzerland, and Japan when you are in England). On of the symptoms you get when the ocuntry selection is wrong is that the modem doesn't recognize the dial tone and thinks the phone line is dead. Also, make sure your cable is correctly wired. Hope this helps. Alan. BTW. I also had to upgrade my MWave software to a later version to get _anything_ to work (And I had bounght a new machine). So make sure you have the latest software. You can down;oad it from an IBM sote somewhere. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 10:13:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15042; Sun, 21 Jul 96 10:13:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24290; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:12:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:08:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23944; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:08:00 -0400 Received: from lotus.com (lotus.com [192.233.136.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23938; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:07:55 -0400 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd2.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA20006; Sun, 21 Jul 96 10:42:15 EDT Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09904; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:00:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9607211400.AA09904@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.03 Beta) id B19F86093D43754A8525636E004C4EB5; Sun, 21 Jul 96 10:00:04 EDT To: "Philipp Adelt" Cc: "thinkpad mailing list" From: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus Date: 21 Jul 96 9:54:21 EDT Subject: Re: German MWave-modem on TP755CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Check out this website, http://watson.mbb.sfu.ca/mwave.html, I believe it has what you need ... -Bill padelt @ warper.teuto.de ("Philipp Adelt") 07-21-96 01:26 AM To: THINKPAD @ cs.utk.edu ("Thinkpad mailing list") @ INTERNET cc: (bcc: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus) Subject: German MWave-modem on TP755CD Hi everyone! I think I'm extremely dumb at the moment, but I just can't figure out why the following is happening: I have a clean hard disk in a tp755CD. I install OS/2, all the stuff needed for MWave and after Installation of the 2 MWave diskettes (version 2.02) I should have the modem ready, right? So I hooked the DAA to the MWave port and opened some comm program. But nothing happened. Then I looked at the Country Selection and voil, there the problem was: I only have "USA and Kanada" and "Japan" to choose from. BUT: I need Germany, so my German DAA will work. Could somebody PLEASE help me? I have the same thing running on another disk, so what did I do wrong? Thanks for any help! Ciao, Philipp! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 12:35:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24160; Sun, 21 Jul 96 12:35:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02091; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:34:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:26:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01726; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:26:31 -0400 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (root@linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01623; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:26:12 -0400 Received: from warper.teuto.de by linteuto.teuto.de with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0ui1JT-000k5XC; Sun, 21 Jul 96 18:24 MET DST Message-Id: From: "Philipp Adelt" To: "Alan Hodgkinson" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 21 Jul 96 13:14:20 +0100 Reply-To: "Philipp Adelt" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Philipp Adelt's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: German MWave Hi! First: Thanks you replied! >When configuring my MWave modem (from Switzerland), I just tried each >country that was available and evettually got the modem to work. >(I think the correct country was USA for Switzerland, and Japan when >you are in England). Yeah, I thought this too. And of course I tried it. There are some setting heavily needed for the modem to work. Things like DTMF gaps, pulse dialing speeds and so on... The problem is that the modem thinks it would dial - but doesn't! Another problem seems to be the DAA connected to the MWave adapter. As German Telekom (fu**ing company, BTW) has VERY strict rules that the adapter has to fulfill (timings, no ATH1, no ATA, blacklistings, redial restrictions...) it is very likely (that's what I am thinking) that the DAA has to deny access to itself if configured to anything else than Germany. >On of the symptoms you get when the ocuntry selection is wrong is that >the modem doesn't recognize the dial tone and thinks the phone line >is dead. That could be the problem. The symptom occurs... >Also, make sure your cable is correctly wired. Done it several times and it really should work. I hooked it to an internal switching system (?? this box you hook between telecom and your phone...) so I could test what's happening and it simply doesn't recognize that it doesn't dial. Strange... >BTW. I also had to upgrade my MWave software to a later version to >get _anything_ to work (And I had bounght a new machine). So make sure >you have the latest software. You can down;oad it from an IBM sote >somewhere. I'm using MWave soft version 2.02. AFAIK this is the newest version!? So, does anyone possibly know why I didn't get Germany as country in one installation and on another disk this worked fine? What exact diskettes does the Country Selection come from?? Thanks again! Ciao, Philipp! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 12:37:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24167; Sun, 21 Jul 96 12:37:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02325; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:36:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:35:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02198; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:35:39 -0400 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02174; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:35:30 -0400 Received: from warper.teuto.de by linteuto.teuto.de with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0ui1So-000k9ZC; Sun, 21 Jul 96 18:34 MET DST Message-Id: From: "Philipp Adelt" To: "Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus" Cc: "thinkpad mailing list" Date: Sun, 21 Jul 96 18:34:52 +0100 Reply-To: "Philipp Adelt" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Philipp Adelt's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: German MWave-modem on TP755CD Hi! >Check out this website, http://watson.mbb.sfu.ca/mwave.html, I believe it has >what you need ... Thanks a lot! It has! That's exactly what I was looking for! I'll let you know when I get it working! :) Ciao, Philipp! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 13:10:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24991; Sun, 21 Jul 96 13:10:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03603; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:09:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:06:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03456; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:06:01 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03448; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:05:58 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_20.enteract.com (dialin_6_20.enteract.com [206.54.253.67]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id MAA28567 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:05:48 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C parallel port pass thru devices Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 17:11:28 GMT Message-Id: <31f2639c.129960044@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199607150857.KAA14068@granite> In-Reply-To: <199607150857.KAA14068@granite> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Vic and all, Where'd you get the EasyPhoto and what'd you pay, anyway? If it's cheap enough, I'll get one and hack around with it, too, and maybe we'll come up with something. I've been planning on getting a photo scanner (I was looking at the Primax), and this sounds like an interesting project. I'd also like to hear more about Lee's 1GB drive. What brand are you using, did you find an extra caddy, and how's it working so far? epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown for information about laptops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 14:41:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28331; Sun, 21 Jul 96 14:41:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08028; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:40:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:38:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07825; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:38:18 -0400 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net (relay-5.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.48]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07819; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:38:15 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by relay-5.mail.demon.net id av02432; 21 Jul 96 19:34 +0100 Received: from c4rv.demon.co.uk ([158.152.168.2]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa07747; 21 Jul 96 19:31 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 16:33:31 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rajesh Varia Subject: Re: Dock II question... In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960719182150.00897254@jrn.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <2.2.32.19960719182150.00897254@jrn.columbia.edu>, Yann Nicolas writes >What exactly comes in a Dock II docking station? I'd like to dock my >ThinkPad 701 so I can have access to a CD-ROM drive... Now for $600+ for a >Dock II, what do you get? Do you have to buy the SCSI CD-ROM drive extra? > >Thanks. >-- >Yann Nicolas >Systems Manager - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University >yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html > I don't think that you can use a 701(European model) in a Dock II. The docking station requires a 68-way connector on the right hand side rear of the ThinkPad. BTW, IBM are to discontinue current range of docking stations and are moving to a modula system called ultra dock (or something). You just add docking station parts as you need them, from a port replication to a full-blow dock II level. -- Rajesh Varia raj@c4rv.demon.co.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 14:49:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28703; Sun, 21 Jul 96 14:49:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08649; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:48:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:47:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08554; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:47:36 -0400 Received: from mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08548; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:47:34 -0400 Received: from goldeneye- ([165.238.133.238]) by mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA13811 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:47:01 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dan Miles" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 11:48:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: 701 accessories Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <19960721184659.AAA13811@goldeneye-> Hi, I've owned a 701CS for about a month and am looking for accessories. Any help would be appreciated. * Case/Cover I've looked at the Wetsuit 3.0 which seems to have the right dimensions, but the 701 isn't on the wetsuit's list of subnotebooks that fit. Is there a problem with the expanding keyboard when the wetsuit is on, or some other problem? How well does this cover protect the 701 from impact damage? I'm also concerned that the insulating properties of the wetsuit would increase the internal temperature. All of the other cases I've been able to look at are taylored for the larger notebook dimensions. How important is it for the notebook to fit snugly inside the case? Has anyone shelled out the $175 for the Port case designed for the 701? Is it worth it? * Spare Battery A couple of months ago, someone here posted a question about a *lithium* battery developed for the 701. If I remember correctly, there was a short blurb in a recent Byte mag. Has anyone really seen one of these? Any info at all? * Memory I've been pricing 701 16 meg dimms and have been found a couple of suppliers in the $200-225 range, ChipMerchant and Active Components. Any problem with either of these? Thanks, Dan Miles dmiles@worldnet.att.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 17:25:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04974; Sun, 21 Jul 96 17:25:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18332; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 17:21:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 17:18:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18093; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 17:18:17 -0400 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net (relay-5.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.48]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18082; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 17:18:04 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ac06528; 21 Jul 96 21:33 +0100 Received: from moab.demon.co.uk ([158.152.127.170]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa26064; 21 Jul 96 21:08 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 18:00:43 +0100 To: ThinkPad mailing list From: Greg Terrell Subject: New member Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.12 Hi I have a 760CD with 40MB RAM and the 28.8 modem as well as the standard stuff (90mz Pentium, 4xCD-ROM, 1.2GB hard drive, 1.44MB floppy. Operating systems - PC-DOS 7.0 and Windows 3.11. I use it in place of a desktop machine at work. Main software is MS Office Pro 4.3 but I am trialing Kolvox LawTalk 3.0 using the Kurzweil 2.0 speech engine. Connection to my office Unix system is serial through Procomm Plus for Windows 3.0. I am generally very pleased with the machine but found it difficult to get information to supplement the meagre manuals. However, I have now found this group, IBM's ThinkPad pages and the Watson Mwave site. I have downloaded the latest BIOS and drivers and propose to attempt to update the machine shortly. I would like to uprgade the processor to 120mz but I do not know whether the upgrade is available in the UK or what it might cost. Has anyone done the processor upgrade? Is it easy? Is it worth doing? -- Greg Terrell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 19:28:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09491; Sun, 21 Jul 96 19:28:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24853; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:28:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:25:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24668; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:25:26 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24661; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:25:23 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA06116; Sun, 21 Jul 96 19:22:09 EDT Date: Sun, 21 Jul 96 19:22:09 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607212322.AA06116@nile.gnat.com> To: greg@moab.demon.co.uk, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New member as far as I know the upgrade of a 90MHz Pentium to 120MHz is still impossible, I gave up calling IBM about a month ago, after deciding to move to a Tecra -- up to that point I had called them once a month since March, always to be told that it would be available very shortly. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 20:06:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11437; Sun, 21 Jul 96 20:06:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26528; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 20:05:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 20:04:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26333; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 20:04:28 -0400 Received: from pcug.org.au (supreme.pcug.org.au [203.10.76.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26325; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 20:04:23 -0400 From: Received: from ts91.pcug.org.au (ts91.pcug.org.au [203.10.76.91]) by pcug.org.au (8.7.3/8.7.3/TIP-1.1) with SMTP id KAA00195 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:03:58 +1000 (EST) Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0103; Sun, 21 Jul 96 21:00:52 -0700 Message-Id: <9607220400.AA0103@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 96 20:53:03 +1000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: German MWave X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <98_105_1_837996783> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The country you select when configurating MWave doesn't necessarily have > to be where you are located. I think it is used to select a set of > parameters that describe the countries approximate phone parameters > (e.g. the dial tone). This may be so, but. . .. I thought that the country you select has to match the DAA gizmo box that is a part of the cable you use to connect the thinkpad to the phone socket. My understanding is the mwave software checks the country selected against the country the DAA is made for. > When configuring my MWave modem (from Switzerland), I just tried each > country that was available and evettually got the modem to work. > (I think the correct country was USA for Switzerland, and Japan when > you are in England). In the country selection options on my 760CD both Germany and Switzerland are available. :) /************************************************/ /* | Scuba Diving: */ /* Neil Mclean | Down Under in a */ /* Canberra, Australia | Land Down Under */ /************************************************/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 21 21:10:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13951; Sun, 21 Jul 96 21:10:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00821; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:09:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:06:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00652; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:06:11 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00572; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:05:59 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia-43.shadow.net [204.177.71.43]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA11657; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960722010524.006a283c@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:05:24 -0400 To: "John H. Kim" From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Re[2]: help-HD swap Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 12:50 PM 7/20/96 -0400, John H. Kim wrote: >On Sat, 20 Jul 1996 keith_mishkind@colpal.com wrote: >> EIDE is a different standard with different pin >> outs. >I think they put out a new standard when I wasn't looking. > >What I meant by EIDE was the hard drive hid the physical layout so >you could have >1024 cylinders. Both the 540 and 810 MB drives have >> 1024 cylinders. For them to work in the 750 series, you need >an updated (Thinkpad) BIOS. The term for this was originally EIDE >since it extended the number of cylinders you could have in an IDE >drive. I had no idea things had developed to the point of being >physically different from IDE drives. They haven't - I don't know what Keith is talking about, but it sure doesn't intersect with my reality. I often put the newest IDE drives in older Valuepoints at work. I have to put in an enhanced BIOS card to let them use drives of >540M, but that certainly doesn't change the PINOUTS. Perhaps Keith knows of some underground and secret movement making some hitherto unknown technology. >-- >John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker >jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a >MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. > > Donald Alan Whiteside, Official Computer Dork for the 1996 Olympics "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 03:39:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01713; Mon, 22 Jul 96 03:39:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24295; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 03:38:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 03:31:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23766; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 03:31:13 -0400 Received: from walkabout.asstdc.com.au (root@walkabout.asstdc.com.au [202.12.127.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23752; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 03:31:07 -0400 Received: (from imb@localhost) by walkabout.asstdc.com.au (8.7.5/BSD4.4) id RAA00870 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:28:59 +1000 (EST) From: michael butler Message-Id: <199607220728.RAA00870@walkabout.asstdc.com.au> Subject: X11R6[.1] on TP-560 at 800x600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:28:59 +1000 (EST) X-Comment: Phone 0419-240-180, International +61-419-240-180 X-Comment: finger imb@asstdc.com.au for PGP public key X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This may be a little beyond the scope of this list .. my apologies if that's true .. I recently bought a 560 whilst in Montreal and now have it running FreeBSD (-current). However, whilst I've been able to get the current XFree 3.1.2E beta to happily run in 640x480 mode, I don't seem to be able to find a decent set of parameters for 800x600 :-(. Instead, I get about seven horizontal copies of the left side of the login xterm when using the "standard" VESA dot-clocks/scan-rates. At first, I suspected that the "expansion" feature had something to do with this but I checked and it's disabled. I should also note that it has the DSTN screen rather than the active matrix. The X-server properly detects the TGUI9660, 1 meg of video RAM, a max dot clock of 75MHz (or 80MHZ with the "med_dram" option, which I presume is ok for 70nSec video RAM) and using the "nolinear" option to switch off direct access to it doesn't help. I've ordered the tech ref. guide but it'll be 2-3 weeks before it gets here (from the US) :-( Any constructive suggestions would be much appreciated. michael From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 04:54:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04926; Mon, 22 Jul 96 04:54:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02277; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:53:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:50:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02039; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:50:48 -0400 Received: from fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (fub46.fddi1.fu-berlin.de [160.45.1.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01954; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:50:28 -0400 Received: by fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.29.1) id ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:50:04 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Subject: Re: X11R6[.1] on TP-560 at 800x600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:50:04 +0200 (MES) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text You might also try linux-laptop@vger.rutgers.edu just in case you don't get the expected answer. The above is a list dealing with this kind of problems. Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de > I recently bought a 560 whilst in Montreal and now have it running FreeBSD > (-current). However, whilst I've been able to get the current XFree 3.1.2E > beta to happily run in 640x480 mode, I don't seem to be able to find a > decent set of parameters for 800x600 :-(. Instead, I get about seven > horizontal copies of the left side of the login xterm when using the > "standard" VESA dot-clocks/scan-rates. > > At first, I suspected that the "expansion" feature had something to do with > this but I checked and it's disabled. I should also note that it has the > DSTN screen rather than the active matrix. > > The X-server properly detects the TGUI9660, 1 meg of video RAM, a max dot > clock of 75MHz (or 80MHZ with the "med_dram" option, which I presume is ok > for 70nSec video RAM) and using the "nolinear" option to switch off direct > access to it doesn't help. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 08:58:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18965; Mon, 22 Jul 96 08:58:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25433; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:57:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:54:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25147; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:54:50 -0400 Received: from cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us [198.109.120.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25116; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:54:45 -0400 Received: from escribaj.mlc.lib.mi.us (libpc129.lib.hfh.edu [150.198.248.129]) by cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (8.7.3/Merit) with SMTP id IAA02905; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607221254.IAA02905@cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us> X-Sender: escribaj@mlc.lib.mi.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu From: escribaj@mlc.lib.mi.us (Joseph Escribano) Subject: Re: Battery problem w/ 755CDV Cc: hanks Um, the battery has a switch on top (when installed), lower right. Is it on? Joe >First my apologies, since I know this was discussed >recently (and if anybody can point me to archives for this >list, I'd appreciate it). > >I just bought two new batteries for my 755CDV, and the >part number are both identical to that of my original. > >Neither battery seems to be recognized, however: the fuel >panel shows empty, and when I try to do the drain/recharge >cycle, I get a message saying "You must have a batter inserted." >Also, shortly after I disconnect the AC cord I get the warning >sounds and sights indicating low battery. > >Both batteries seem to be fine, however, since I can run the machine off of >both of them for a reasonable period of time. > >Thanks for any help, >Steve. > > > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Joseph Escribano Coordinator-Department Information Resources | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Sladen Library & Center for Health Information Resources | | Henry Ford Health System Detroit, Michigan USA | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 10:52:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24509; Mon, 22 Jul 96 10:52:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04991; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:49:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:45:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04622; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:45:41 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04597; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:45:34 -0400 Received: from brit.netcom.com (dfw-tx15-28.ix.netcom.com [204.31.249.124]) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) with SMTP id JAA02549 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:45:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960722145046.006b59e8@psa.pencom.com> X-Sender: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:50:46 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Tait Subject: FreeBSD and TP755CX? Anyone ever tried this? Is it worth it? I have a TP755CX with 40MB RAM and a 540 HD. Whaddya reckon? /rickt -- main(v,c)char**c;{for(v[c++]="Rick Tait \n)";(!!c)[ *c]&&(v--||--c&&execlp(*c,*c,c[!!c]+!!c,!c));**c=!c)write(!!*c,*c,!!**c);} "The difference between Republicans and Democrats is like the difference between syphilis and gonorrhea." -- Rita Mae Brown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 11:59:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27830; Mon, 22 Jul 96 11:59:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10975; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:57:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:54:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10615; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:54:38 -0400 Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net (mail.germany.eu.net [192.76.144.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10607; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:54:32 -0400 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (5.59:22/EUnetD-2.5.4.c) via EUnet id RAA25641; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:54:15 +0200 Received: by yoshiwara.Germany.EU.net (5.59:8/EUnetDlan-1.24-1.2.10) via EUnet id RAA03749; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:54:22 +0200 Sender: Michael.Huehne@Germany.EU.net To: Rick Tait Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FreeBSD and TP755CX? References: <2.2.32.19960722145046.006b59e8@psa.pencom.com> Reply-To: Michael Huehne From: Michael Huehne Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: 22 Jul 1996 17:54:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: Rick Tait's message of Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:50:46 -0500 Message-Id: Lines: 39 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.36/XEmacs 19.14 >>>>> "Rick" == Rick Tait writes: Rick> Anyone ever tried this? Is it worth it? I have a TP755CX with Rick> 40MB RAM and a 540 HD. Whaddya reckon? Hi, I am very happy since I am using Slackware 3.0 on my TP755C. It might be a good idea to spend some bucks for a X-inside X-Server. The installation configuration needs only 5 minutes of time and works fine for me. I do not know how good FreeBSD supports PCMCIA devices during the installation procedure. But I was able to install my linux via nfs using my 3com 3c589 network card out of the box. The linux cardservices are solid as a rock. The performance of my TP depending on my 20 MB of ram is as much as you can expect. So FreeBSD would not be slower with 40 MB of ram (IMHO). I hope it helps a little bit. -- Freundliche Gr|_e, Best regards, Michael H|hne ==================================== Michael H|hne = ____ = Lt. technische Vertriebsunterst|tzung = / / / ___ ___ _/_ = Email: Michael.Huehne@Germany.EU.net = /---- / / / / /___/ / = EUnet Deutschland GmbH = /____ /___/ / / /___ / = Emil-Figge-Str. 80 === === D-44227 Dortmund Germany === Connecting Europe since 1982 === Tel.: +49/231/972-1071 Fax.: -1122 #include From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 13:23:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02477; Mon, 22 Jul 96 13:23:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17453; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:21:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:12:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16539; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:12:31 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16523; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:12:21 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA28581 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:11:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199607221711.KAA28581@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: Re: New Member to list.... To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:11:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Michael Klenner" at Jul 21, 96 01:56:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I am also (just now) installing Linux (intel version of > > Unix) on a 340 Mb hd just to gain some experience with > > Unix. (yeah, i know....i'm a glutton for punishment!!) if you guys touch off a flame war, i'm unsubscribing. =) seriously, though, i would mention that linux is a great OS but it's one of the weirder variants of UNIX, and you should remember that when putting "UNIX experience" on your resume. after 8 years of UNIX systems administration experience, i rate Linux very highly for its usability and port-to-ability. i'm running it right now on my TP760. i do wish that X windows wasn't so stupid in its management of color tables ... and everything else, for that matter. but X windows is probably the most standardized part of Linux. if i could just get all 16 bits of color (or however many my screen really supports) out of Linux, i'd probably turn my Windows partition into swap ... i guess i'll just wait patiently for the next release of XFree86. -mykle- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 13:27:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02921; Mon, 22 Jul 96 13:27:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17803; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:25:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:24:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17672; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:24:13 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17665; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:24:07 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA28711 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:23:02 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199607221723.KAA28711@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: thinkpad audio To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:23:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi. for purely hobbyist reasons, i am wanting to hook some real microphones to my thinkpad 760 and do some live digial recording, ideally in stereo. i'm a bit puzzled by the input connector on the TP760 -- it seems to take an 1/8" stereo plug, but it also has a sheath around the outside that makes it able to accept -- at least physically -- a male RCA plug. the meager documentation describes this as a combination micropohone and line-in jack. does anybody know, or have leads on, where i can get the technical specifications for this connector? expected voltages, impedence, what kind of weird connector i should use, etc? thanks for any help, -mykle- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 14:24:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05493; Mon, 22 Jul 96 14:24:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21731; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:23:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:20:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21461; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:20:23 -0400 Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu (uconnvm.uconn.edu [137.99.26.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21448; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:20:18 -0400 Received: from oasis.vpia.uconn.edu by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 22 Jul 96 14:19:13 EDT Received: from OASIS/MERCURYQ by oasis.vpia.uconn.edu (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jul 96 14:23:14 EST Received: from MERCURYQ by OASIS (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jul 96 14:22:45 EST From: "Guy W. Farrell" Organization: The UConn Foundation, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:22:41 EST Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-Id: <26A0B064BB2@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu> I've learned that hard way that sales persons are not always well versed in the technical spec of what they sell. I have three TP365 with 17" monitors. The resolution, even when set to 640x480 256 color, is blurry. There are no drivers for this monitor using Win95 with the C&T chipset. This stuff was sold as a package with Win95 installed. Too bad the components don't work together. I've even had to tell an IBM authorized RAM manufacturer the exact specs for his RAM and that what they were selling in their catalog was incorrect (4k page SO-DIMM not 1k or 2k). But Zenith! I have never dealt with more incompetents. Their sales could not tell me a thing. I was _very_ specific and actually dealt with tech support when making a purchase to upgrade an older server. EVERYTHING that was ordered (RAM, SCSI controller, drives) was incompatible. The problems were escalated to a VP of regional sales before being resolved! If anyone has recommendations for the TP365 video driver for the G70 monitor, I'd appreciate them. Guy W. Farrell Vox: (860)486-0964 My Desk Network Coordinator, Postmaster (860)486-5000 Main # The UConn Foundation, Inc. (800)269-9965 Toll-free U-Box 206 Fax: (860)486-1615 Storrs, CT 06269-4190 E-mail: gfarrell@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu Computer Support for Institutional Advancement ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 14:45:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06823; Mon, 22 Jul 96 14:45:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23461; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:41:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:40:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23131; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:40:02 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23114; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:39:58 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA21437; Mon, 22 Jul 96 14:37:05 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 14:37:05 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607221837.AA21437@nile.gnat.com> To: gfarrell@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs "But Zenith! I have never dealt with more incompetents" A bit off topic, but my favorite story with Zenith was the engineering on their original 286 desktop units. The fan was mounted backwards so that it drew in air from the back across the power supply, heating it up nicely and then blew hot air out the front straight in your face! We were among the firsyt to operate these machines in protected mode, and they always overheated in this mode, we had to open up the case and put a separate stand fan blowing in Until we finally discovered that we could solve the problem by switching the fan to blow the right way :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 15:00:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07502; Mon, 22 Jul 96 15:00:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24842; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:58:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:57:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24583; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:57:03 -0400 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24577; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:57:00 -0400 Received: from freefall.FreeBSD.ORG by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA31684; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:56:57 -0400 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA25308 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:56:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199607221856.LAA25308@freefall.freebsd.org> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Member to list.... > seriously, though, i would mention that linux is a great OS > but it's one of the weirder variants of UNIX Again, as a public service announcement since I believe that most people who love and run Linux really love and want to run Unix, but didn't know that they could have something even closer to the BSD Unix which they have come to know and love, there is a true blue 4.4BSD distribution freely available which integrates both the kernel and all the libraries and utilites (no more which libc do I use? which kernel do I use with which system utilities?). You can find out more information from http://www.freebsd.org. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 15:14:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08264; Mon, 22 Jul 96 15:14:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26164; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:13:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:12:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26026; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:12:09 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@[192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26020; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:12:06 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I7DM4Z0EPC002WKU@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: thinkpad audio In-Reply-To: <199607221723.KAA28711@eunice.Vinton.COM> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <838062705.193000.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > hi. for purely hobbyist reasons, i am wanting to hook some real > microphones to my thinkpad 760 and do some live digial recording, > ideally in stereo. > > i'm a bit puzzled by the input connector on the TP760 -- it seems > to take an 1/8" stereo plug, but it also has a sheath around the > outside that makes it able to accept -- at least physically -- > a male RCA plug. the meager documentation describes this as a > combination micropohone and line-in jack. I'm sure this is a stereo 1/8" phone jack, not an RCA connector. Inputs are most likely bridging (about 10k impedeance) and probably fairly sensitive as it accomodates microphone levels which are quite low. That is, you may need to pad the outputs of a mixer if that's how you plan to record (external mixer). Maximum input level is probably around -10dBv (where 0dB = 0.7745 volts). Most profesional sound gear have +4dB outputs thus 15dB pads would be a good idea - these are a somewhat common item and not hard to find. More padding may be needed depending on the crest factor of what you're recording (ratio of peak to rms or average levels) - for example very percussive music has high creat factor waveforms in it. And this assumes when you switch to line level inputs -10dB is not too much for the front end in the Thinkpad. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 19:26:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05162; Mon, 22 Jul 96 19:26:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14844; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:25:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:19:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14385; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:19:08 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14379; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:19:05 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-j-58.usc.edu [128.125.224.202]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id QAA18294; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960722231925.006a2870@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:19:25 -0700 To: "Dan Miles" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 701 accessories At 11:48 AM 7/21/96 +0000, Dan Miles wrote: >All of the other cases I've been able to look at are taylored for the >larger notebook dimensions. How important is it for the notebook to >fit snugly inside the case? Not very--but then again you probably don't want things bouncing around either. :-) > Has anyone shelled out the $175 for >the Port case designed for the 701? Is it worth it? I don't recall paying *that* much for it, but yes, I got it. Is it worth it? Hmmm...maybe. Its neat--it has a little compartment for all your 701 pieces. I find that convenient. Trouble is that I rarely use it for what it was designed for--I don't carry it around much. Mostly just used to hold my 701 parts in a good place at home. >* Spare Battery > >A couple of months ago, someone here posted a question about a >*lithium* battery developed for the 701. If I remember correctly, >there was a short blurb in a recent Byte mag. Has anyone really >seen one of these? Any info at all? I'd like to see it myself. E-mail me if you find anything out not posted to the TP List. ------- Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 22:08:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14222; Mon, 22 Jul 96 22:08:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25394; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:07:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:04:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25147; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:04:13 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@ppp5.lugs.org.sg [203.127.221.102]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25136; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:04:00 -0400 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uiWw9-0002CvC; Tue, 23 Jul 96 10:11 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00125; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:01:10 +0800 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:01:10 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701C speakers.... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Just wondering. Does the mute APM bios function key work ? I have a 701C and I regularly play Doom with my friends over it. I noticed that even if I mute the speakers (but the game was set to play thru the SB), I could hear some sounds from the plasma gun. Also, sometimes when I boot up in Linux and then switch off the speakers, some beeps still escape ! And I have a PCMCIA Hayes Optima 288FM, sometimes I can hear the connection handshaking sounds ! (A bit soft, but can hear it) Any idea ? Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 22:44:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15855; Mon, 22 Jul 96 22:44:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27779; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:43:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:41:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27637; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:41:32 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27630; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:41:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id WAA09742; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:42:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Elvin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C speakers.... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Elvin wrote: > I have a 701C and I regularly play Doom with my friends over it. > I noticed that even if I mute the speakers (but the game was set to play > thru the SB), I could hear some sounds from the plasma gun. Mute seems to cut off most, but not all, of the voltage reaching the speakers. If you really need the machine absolutely quiet, buy a dummy plug for the headphone jack. I think someone on this list said that'll stop the internal speaker from producing any sound. If you get in a really quiet room and put your ear up to the speaker, you'll hear a constant hiss. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 23:21:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17046; Mon, 22 Jul 96 23:21:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00650; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:19:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:18:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00439; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:18:08 -0400 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca [206.75.222.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00391; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:18:02 -0400 Received: from dec.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA07610; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:17:48 -0600 From: pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) Received: by dec; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/05Apr96-0129PM) id AA06740; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:19:20 -0600 Message-Id: <9607230319.AA06740@dec> Subject: Re: New Member to list.... To: mykle@vinton.com (mykle hansen) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199607221711.KAA28581@eunice.Vinton.COM> from "mykle hansen" at Jul 22, 96 10:11:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > I am also (just now) installing Linux (intel version of > > > Unix) on a 340 Mb hd just to gain some experience with > > > Unix. (yeah, i know....i'm a glutton for punishment!!) > > if you guys touch off a flame war, i'm unsubscribing. =) > > seriously, though, i would mention that linux is a great OS > but it's one of the weirder variants of UNIX, and you should > remember that when putting "UNIX experience" on your resume. I would love to know why you think Linux is one of the weider variants of Unix. For the record I can't think of any reason to state this. Its no more strange than BSD, System V, AIX, ... Sure its not the same as any of them but then again none of them are the same! Having used BSD, System V, and SCO Unix I find Linux a nice middle ground. Kind of the best of both worlds (System V and BSD). > after 8 years of UNIX systems administration experience, > i rate Linux very highly for its usability and port-to-ability. > i'm running it right now on my TP760. i do wish that X > windows wasn't so stupid in its management of color tables ... > and everything else, for that matter. but X windows is > probably the most standardized part of Linux. if i could > just get all 16 bits of color (or however many my screen really > supports) out of Linux, i'd probably turn my Windows > partition into swap ... i guess i'll just wait patiently > for the next release of XFree86. Or you could use one of the commercial X servers which support many more cards and video modes. They are only about $99 bucks. Or you can buy the Caldera Linux release which comes with Accelerated-X which is a good commercial X server. > -mykle- ====================================================================== Brad Pepers Proud supporter of Linux in Ramparts Management Group Ltd. Canada! ramparts@agt.net http://www.agt.net/public/ramparts Linux rules! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 22 23:33:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17717; Mon, 22 Jul 96 23:33:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01683; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:32:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:32:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01594; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:32:00 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01588; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:31:58 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA26324; Mon, 22 Jul 96 23:28:49 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 23:28:49 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607230328.AA26324@nile.gnat.com> To: mykle@vinton.com, pepersb@cuug.ab.ca Subject: Re: New Member to list.... Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu please can we avoid operating system advocacy wars on this mailing list, they have nothing to do with thinkpads. There are all sorts of appropriate newsgroups where people like to discuss such things endlessly. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 01:19:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22014; Tue, 23 Jul 96 01:19:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07908; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:17:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:13:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07553; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:13:18 -0400 Received: from netcom18.netcom.com (peckham@netcom18.netcom.com [192.100.81.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07543; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:13:09 -0400 Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id WAA26146; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:13:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Peckham Engineering Subject: Introduction To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I just subscribed to this list and thought I would introduce myself. My name is Frank Peckham, and I bought a 701 about four months ago when it seemed they were giving them away. The specifics of the machine are: Active screen 720 HD 24MB Ram 2 Ni-MH batteries Docking Station Panasonic 4x CD-Rom Zip parallel port drive Win 95 I didn't have any trouble putting win95 on it, even though I had read you need to upgrade the bios. Bios is now BUTUS3M. Modem was a little funky, but change intialization string and seems fine now. Now it so happens that just before buying my laptop, I saw some Ni-MH batteries at Comp USA for $9.95. At that price, I figured I'd use them to run the lights on my bicycle, so I picked up two. Didn't do much with them because I had no charger, but figured I could use the trusty car charger/ if I was careful not to over heat them. A month ago, however, my Mother in law sent some computer bits that had been in a thrift shop, thought they might be useful. Turned out one was a charger for TP700 batteries like the two I had, as well as a battery, a power supply, and some sort of number pad with what looks like an over sized phone cord jack for a connector. Anyway, I though I could probably run my laptop off the TP 700 batteries which have about twice the capacity of the 701 batteries but the same voltage. I just need to make an adapter and I will be ready to go. I don't suppose anyone has tried anything like this before? Well anyway, I let you know what happens -Frank __________________ peckham@netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 07:16:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08261; Tue, 23 Jul 96 07:16:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17273; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:15:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:08:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16909; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:08:28 -0400 Received: from hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (HOOPLA.CS.NYU.EDU [128.122.129.127]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16902; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:08:24 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id HAA22887; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:25:10 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: news From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Newsgroups: thinkpad Subject: Re: New Member to list.... Date: 23 Jul 1996 07:25:10 -0400 Organization: NYU Media Research Lab. Lines: 12 Sender: fox@hoopla.cs.nyu.edu Message-Id: References: <9607230319.AA06740@dec> Reply-To: fox@cs.nyu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: hoopla.cs.nyu.edu In-Reply-To: pepersb@cuug.ab.ca's message of Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:19:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 In article <9607230319.AA06740@dec> pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) writes: ] Or you could use one of the commercial X servers which support many ] more cards and video modes. They are only about $99 bucks. Or ] you can buy the Caldera Linux release which comes with Accelerated-X ] which is a good commercial X server. But don't get your hopes up, none of them support 16 bit color on any laptop yet. They say they will fairly soon. -- David Fox http://found.cs.nyu.edu/fox xoF divaD NYU Media Research Lab fox@cs.nyu.edu baL hcraeseR aideM UYN From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 09:43:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13147; Tue, 23 Jul 96 09:43:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27401; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:42:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:40:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27226; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:40:34 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27215; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:40:29 -0400 Received: (from rickt@localhost) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) id IAA28696 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:40:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Rick Tait Message-Id: <199607231340.IAA28696@psa.pencom.com> Subject: XF86Config for 755CX? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:40:15 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Can someone send me their XF86Config file for a Thinkpad 755CX? I'm having a devilish time getting everything to work... :( Thanks, /rickt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Tait rickt@psa.pencom.com Unix cowboy, Technofuturist, Cryptoanarchist, Libertarian, Brit hacker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 09:45:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13156; Tue, 23 Jul 96 09:45:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27036; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:38:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:33:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26560; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:33:45 -0400 Received: from bnr.ca (x400gate.bnr.ca [192.58.194.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26551; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:33:40 -0400 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:33:12 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:32:24 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:27:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:27:00 -0400 X400-Originator: /dd.id=0504153/g=daniel/i=d/s=hammett/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars520.b.051:23.06.96.13.32.24] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Introducing a... From: "daniel (d.) hammett" Sender: "daniel (d.) hammett" Message-Id: <"11116 Tue Jul 23 09:32:44 1996"@bnr.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Introducing a new subsriber Hi All, I've just re-discovered this forum after a break of several years and so, here I am. I work for Nortel Technology (or Bell-Northern Research as was) just outside Belfast in Northern Ireland and I'm an electronics engineer by profession, although I have just started teaching myself C and Assembly Language. As for my interest in this group: I have a TP750 (mono) which I got in 1994. I have upgraded to 12M RAM and invested in a PCMCIA MODEM (an Apex Data Clipper Com). I'm debating whether to add a CD-ROM to the machine and, if so, how? I have a fair bit of experience tuning the TP for DOS and Windows have managed to get the internal sound system working with almost all my DOS games. Well, that's all. I have a number of questions for the 'Wise Ones' out there, but I'll wait and see how the forum works (... again) before asking anything serious Bye Dan Hammett. NORTEL Northern Telecom (NITEC) Phoenix Customer Support Email: dhammett@nortel.ca ---- All my opinions are my own. ---- P.S If this message is badly formatted, blame COCOS or XRN, not me! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 10:46:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15280; Tue, 23 Jul 96 10:46:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03107; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:44:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:41:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02740; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:41:35 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02733; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:41:32 -0400 Received: from mol-il1-12.ix.netcom.com (oam@mol-il1-12.ix.netcom.com [205.184.148.44]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA12384 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:40:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199607231440.HAA12384@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Carmody" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:39:50 +0000 Subject: Text-to-Speech Application Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Hello, By way of intoduction, my interest is on behalf of a client that handed me her brand new 760ED and requested that I "make some sense of it all" so she could use it to type and hear a nice female voice do some talking on her behalf. I've thrashed around the Internet and found some bits and pieces, but so far, just that. The lady has ALS and is gradually loosing her ability to talk. Is there anyone out there that can point me to a combination software solution; i.e., one that allows word lookup typing input, then a good software speech engine that will not sound mechanical. This 760ED has a Pentium 133MHz chip, IBM's Mwave Audio solution, CD-rom and all the other goodies anyone could ask for all built into a 7 pound cigar box. Really something! Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -- John Carmody E-mail: oam@ix.netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 10:47:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15285; Tue, 23 Jul 96 10:47:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03329; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:46:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:44:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03057; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:44:22 -0400 Received: from bnl.gov (bnl.gov [130.199.128.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03051; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:44:19 -0400 Received: from charon1.ccd.bnl.gov (charon1.ccd.bnl.gov [130.199.130.138]) by bnl.gov (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA19941 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: From AONET/WORKQUEUE by charon1.ccd.bnl.gov via Charon-4.0A-VROOM with IPX id 100.960723104407.544; 23 Jul 96 10:44:17 +0500 Message-Id: From: "Bob Rooks x7257" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:44:10 EDT Subject: Hello Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Hi All, Just joined the list...Recently purchased a used Thinkpad, a Model 750(mono), type 9545, it has 12 meg and a 170 meg HD....got it mostly for word processing and telecomm....One problem though no manuals...have managed to get help with the basics, function keys etc..from a very helpful member of the laptop newsgroup community. Does anyone have documentation available?? I called IBM and they wanted a small fortune. Bob Rooks Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, New York From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 11:04:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16014; Tue, 23 Jul 96 11:04:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05176; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:03:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:01:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04836; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:01:13 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de ([129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04678; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:00:04 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:36:18 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960723143603.0066eef8@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:36:03 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: Introduction (modem 701) hi frank, At 22:13 22.07.96 -0700, you wrote: >[snip (tp701)] >I didn't have any trouble putting win95 on it, even though I had read you >need to upgrade the bios. Bios is now BUTUS3M. > >Modem was a little funky, but change intialization string and seems fine now. what exactly did you do/change? is there something to make the modem not give up on PPP-internet (plus-pack95) after 5 minutes? my 701 and several others' are repeatedly dropping the line after about 5 minutes. someone mentioned that with trumpet winsock, checksum failures or so were reported after that period. mine seems to work better at night, though that might (new idea?) be because it is then on my bed and the underside heats up more, which seems to help a little... i had already started a thread to this effect a couple of months ago, without any real solution. i sort of dropped the line, too, since i then got an ethernet card for at work... oh well, axel ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 11:05:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16115; Tue, 23 Jul 96 11:05:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05227; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:03:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:02:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05056; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:02:28 -0400 Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (firewall-user@ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05022; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:02:18 -0400 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id AAA07870; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:01:55 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma007866; Wed, 24 Jul 96 00:01:40 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id AAA21595; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:02:51 +0900 Received: by hamlet.wg.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-hamlet) id AAA11758; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:01:39 +0900 Received: by othello.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb/2.8Wb-othello) id AAA04981; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:01:38 +0900 From: Jeffrey Friedl Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:01:32 +0900 Message-Id: <199607231501.AAA00611@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> To: oam@ix9.ix.netcom.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199607231440.HAA12384@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> (oam@ix9.ix.netcom.com) Subject: Re: Text-to-Speech Application Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp John Carmody wrote: |> and is gradually loosing her ability to talk. Is there anyone out |> there that can point me to a combination software solution; i.e., one |> that allows word lookup typing input, then a good software speech See the bottom half of: http://www.microsoft.com/MEDIADEV/AUDIO/MSPENGIN.HTM Jeffrey From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 11:21:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16626; Tue, 23 Jul 96 11:21:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06738; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:19:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:18:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06614; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:18:15 -0400 Received: from www.cep.yale.edu (www.cep.yale.edu [130.132.125.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06602; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:18:12 -0400 Received: (from adept@localhost) by www.cep.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA08279; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:16:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben To: Axel Hartmann Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Introduction (modem 701) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960723143603.0066eef8@129.13.95.1> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > give up on PPP-internet (plus-pack95) after 5 minutes? my 701 and several > others' are repeatedly dropping the line after about 5 minutes. someone > mentioned that with trumpet winsock, checksum failures or so were reported > after that period. mine seems to work better at night, though that might > (new idea?) be because it is then on my bed and the underside heats up more, > which seems to help a little... Argh! I know the feeling. There are particular pieces of data that I am unable to download because of this. Particular gifs, etc. This seems to be terribly aggravated under win 95 running Netscape(2.x or 3.x). UWith FTP under win 95, I don't have a problem or when I run FreeBSD's PPP client. Ben. ____ Ben Samman..............................................samman@cs.yale.edu Donnez-moi une bonne erreur fructueuse chaque fois, pleine de semences, debordante de ses corrections. Vous pouvez garder votre verite sterile a vous. - Vilfredo Pareto From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 11:51:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18136; Tue, 23 Jul 96 11:51:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09610; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:49:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:46:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09332; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:46:51 -0400 Received: from vader.akula.com (root@vader.akula.com [206.216.189.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09322; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:46:48 -0400 Received: from Akula.akula.com (dialup-00.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.100]) by vader.akula.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/akula) with SMTP id LAA04442; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:46:58 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960723154543.00679040@akula.com> X-Sender: nil@akula.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:45:43 -0400 To: Axel Hartmann , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Stan Lobunets Subject: Re: Introduction (modem 701) At 10:36 AM 7/23/96 -0400, Axel Hartmann wrote: >what exactly did you do/change? is there something to make the modem not >give up on PPP-internet (plus-pack95) after 5 minutes? my 701 and several >others' are repeatedly dropping the line after about 5 minutes. someone >mentioned that with trumpet winsock, checksum failures or so were reported >after that period. mine seems to work better at night, though that might >(new idea?) be because it is then on my bed and the underside heats up more, >which seems to help a little... I had the same problem. I don't use the modem that much anymore, but what seemed to work for me at the time in Windows 95, was to set the receive buffer to a lower setting in Modems control panel. See if you can find a similar option in Trumpet Winsock and play with it. Also, I tried using different modem init strings suggested in comp.sys.laptops, all without any improvements. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 11:51:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18141; Tue, 23 Jul 96 11:51:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09606; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:49:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:45:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09002; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:45:15 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (root@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08989; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:45:12 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id JAA18312; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:31:36 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:31:35 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: Bob Rooks x7257 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Bob-- I have the documentation somewhere. I am happy to lend it to you, however it would mean an all hands search and rescue attempt. If all other sources fail you, please email me directly and I will arrange to send it. --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO http://www.leopard.com On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Bob Rooks x7257 wrote: > Hi All, > Just joined the list...Recently purchased > a used Thinkpad, a Model 750(mono), type 9545, it > has 12 meg and a 170 meg HD....got it mostly for > word processing and telecomm....One problem > though no manuals...have managed to get help with > the basics, function keys etc..from a very > helpful member of the laptop newsgroup community. > Does anyone have documentation available?? I > called IBM and they wanted a small fortune. > Bob Rooks > Brookhaven National Laboratory > Upton, New York > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 13:07:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21602; Tue, 23 Jul 96 13:07:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15412; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:05:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:01:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15126; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:01:49 -0400 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.5.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15120; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:01:43 -0400 Received: from percy.futures.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:00:40 +0100 Received: from percy (percy.futures.bt.co.uk) by percy.futures.bt.co.uk (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02254; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:00:56 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:00:55 +0100 (BST) From: dave pratt X-Sender: djp@percy To: John Carmody Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Text-to-Speech Application In-Reply-To: <199607231440.HAA12384@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Check out http://www.labs.bt.com/innovate/speech/laureate/index.htm It's BT Lab's text to speech system, it's pretty good. Hopefully it's not behind any firewalls. if it is let me know. BT's pretty good at helping charity type activities, so I hope you'll get some success. Cheers On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, John Carmody wrote: ->Hello, ->By way of intoduction, my interest is on behalf of a client that ->handed me her brand new 760ED and requested that I "make some sense ->of it all" so she could use it to type and hear a nice female voice ->do some talking on her behalf. I've thrashed around the Internet and ->found some bits and pieces, but so far, just that. The lady has ALS ->and is gradually loosing her ability to talk. Is there anyone out ->there that can point me to a combination software solution; i.e., one ->that allows word lookup typing input, then a good software speech ->engine that will not sound mechanical. This 760ED has a Pentium ->133MHz chip, IBM's Mwave Audio solution, CD-rom and all the other ->goodies anyone could ask for all built into a 7 pound cigar box. ->Really something! Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -------- The views expressed here may or may not be my own. WWW - doesn't that stand for "Wait a Week Word" ? Dave Pratt (tel: +44 1473 643840 ) djp@futures.bt.co.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 13:42:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22956; Tue, 23 Jul 96 13:42:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18189; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:40:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:33:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17507; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:33:46 -0400 Received: from mail2.pilot.net (mail2.pilot.net [198.232.147.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17490; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:33:41 -0400 From: Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248]) by mail2.pilot.net with SMTP id KAA27663 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 1f50dc50; Tue, 23 Jul 96 10:37:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:37:16 -0700 Message-Id: <1f50dc50@ima.jud.ca.gov> Subject: Cases for 701 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part A few days ago, someone posted a query asking about Wetsuit cases for a 701. I'm using Wetsuit 2.0 as my day tripper case. If I'm traveling for more than a day, I'll throw the thinkpad into my Port standard case. The Port case (standard model) retails for $89. Shopping around may save you a few bucks. The Wetsuit is ridiculously overpriced at $30, but is nice and compact. And the Wetsuit comes in "handsome" black too. Regards, Mitchell Yee From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 13:52:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23192; Tue, 23 Jul 96 13:52:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18660; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:44:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:42:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18505; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:42:51 -0400 Received: from ankur.bellcore.com (ankur.bellcore.com [192.4.7.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18497; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:42:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ankur.bellcore.com (8.6.9/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA07962; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:40:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199607231740.NAA07962@ankur.bellcore.com> X-Authentication-Warning: ankur.bellcore.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Stan Lobunets Cc: Axel Hartmann , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, hira@bellcore.com Subject: Re: Introduction (modem 701) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:45:43 EDT." <1.5.4.32.19960723154543.00679040@akula.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:40:28 -0400 From: Hiralal Agrawal > >is there something to make the modem not > >give up on PPP-internet (plus-pack95) after 5 minutes? my 701 and several > >others' are repeatedly dropping the line after about 5 minutes. I used to have the same problem with my 760CD whenever I dialed a 28.8 modem at the other end (I had no problem when I dialed a 14.4 number). When I called the IBM help line about it, they said the problem must either be with the remote modem or with my phone line and there was no problem with the mwave modem inside my 760. I tried to explain it to them that I had never had any problem when I used my other (US Robotics) modem to dial the same number, but they were not convinced. When I told them I was usually running Netscape when I encountered this problem (modem dropping connection), they said IBM doesn't support Netscape! Seriously, they tried to put the blame on Netscape. Anyway, eventually I figured out that my machine had an older version of the mwave driver and downloading a new version (I think it was version 2.11) from http://www.pc.ibm.com/ solved my problem. If only their tech support people had suggested this in the first place, it would have saved my so much time and energy! So, if you are having problems with your mwave modem, I strongly suggest you find out if there is a new mwave driver available for your particular model of thinkpad and see if that fixes your problem. -- Hira. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 14:46:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25711; Tue, 23 Jul 96 14:46:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23444; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:43:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:42:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23347; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:42:08 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23341; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:42:05 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA24914; Tue, 23 Jul 96 14:35:12 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 14:35:12 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607231835.AA24914@nile.gnat.com> To: hira@flash.bellcore.com, nil@akula.com Subject: Re: Introduction (modem 701) Cc: axel.hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de, hira@bellcore.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu please keep line lengths less than 80, it makes your email MUCH easier to read, and is pretty much an internet standard. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 15:14:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26932; Tue, 23 Jul 96 15:14:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26110; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:10:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:09:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25870; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:09:23 -0400 Received: from lotus.com (lotus.com [192.233.136.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25864; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:09:20 -0400 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd2.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA26660; Tue, 23 Jul 96 15:43:59 EDT Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20755; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:01:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9607231901.AA20755@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.03 Beta) id 6C87BB43D91BBE628525637000685FE7; Tue, 23 Jul 96 15:01:22 EDT To: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications Cc: thinkpad From: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus Date: 23 Jul 96 15:00:39 EDT Subject: Re: PCMCIA SCSI II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain The Adaptec SlimSCSI works well with me, even with Merlin ;-) wdunn @ leopard.com (Will Dunn/Leopard Communications) 07-23-96 11:09 AM To: thinkpad @ cs.utk.edu @ INTERNET cc: (bcc: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus) Subject: PCMCIA SCSI II Anyone out there using a PC Card to access external SCSI devices in OS/2 Warp? Situation: Using two ThinkPads running OS/2 Warp Server that need to access SCSI devices for a temporary network--and I only have one docking station. Suggestions? TIA -wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder,CO http://www.leopard.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 15:38:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28232; Tue, 23 Jul 96 15:38:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20868; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:14:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:09:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20519; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:09:34 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (wdunn@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20513; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:09:29 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id MAA01748; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:09:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: thinkpad Subject: PCMCIA SCSI II Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone out there using a PC Card to access external SCSI devices in OS/2 Warp? Situation: Using two ThinkPads running OS/2 Warp Server that need to access SCSI devices for a temporary network--and I only have one docking station. Suggestions? TIA -wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder,CO http://www.leopard.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 15:39:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28454; Tue, 23 Jul 96 15:39:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28657; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:37:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:34:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28234; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:34:18 -0400 Received: from host1.redrose.net (host1.redrose.net [204.249.184.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28224; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:34:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199607231934.PAA28224@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail-queue invoked from smtpd); 23 Jul 1996 19:37:08 -0000 Received: from l28.redrose.net (205.246.83.88) by host1.redrose.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 1996 19:37:07 -0000 From: "Robt. Miller" To: "Thinkpad Listserver" , "Will Dunn/Leopard Communications" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 15:34:08 Reply-To: "Robt. Miller" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Robert Miller's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PCMCIA SCSI II On Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:09:23 -0600 (MDT), Will Dunn/Leopard Communications wrote: >Anyone out there using a PC Card to access external SCSI devices in OS/2 >Warp? I just got an Adaptec Slimscsi that works great. -13013 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 20:55:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05797; Tue, 23 Jul 96 20:55:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21437; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:54:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:52:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21174; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:52:13 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21152; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:52:10 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-d-33.usc.edu [128.125.222.105]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id RAA19255; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960724005230.00697630@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:52:30 -0700 To: "John H. Kim" , Elvin From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 701C speakers.... Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:42 PM 7/22/96 -0400, John H. Kim wrote: >If you get in a really quiet room and put your ear up to the speaker, >you'll hear a constant hiss. You hear more than that coming just from the hard drive though! ------- Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 20:55:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05851; Tue, 23 Jul 96 20:55:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21421; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:54:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:52:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21150; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:52:09 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21140; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:52:06 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-d-33.usc.edu [128.125.222.105]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id RAA19246; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960724005227.006be018@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:52:27 -0700 To: Elvin , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 701C speakers.... At 10:01 AM 7/23/96 +0800, Elvin wrote: > Just wondering. Does the mute APM bios function key work ? > I have a 701C and I regularly play Doom with my friends over it. >I noticed that even if I mute the speakers (but the game was set to play >thru the SB), I could hear some sounds from the plasma gun. > Also, sometimes when I boot up in Linux and then switch off the >speakers, some beeps still escape ! > And I have a PCMCIA Hayes Optima 288FM, sometimes I can hear the >connection handshaking sounds ! (A bit soft, but can hear it) > Any idea ? I've noticed the key you're talking about (Fn+F5, right?) doesn't actually turn the speaker "off", but just mutes it way, way down. For the most part, you can't hear it, but certain tones & sounds still escape--they're just *really* soft. In combination, I think you can turn the sound itself way, way down to help. ------- Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 20:55:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05857; Tue, 23 Jul 96 20:55:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21425; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:54:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:52:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21157; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:52:11 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21142; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:52:07 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-d-33.usc.edu [128.125.222.105]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id RAA19260 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960724005232.0069bcb4@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:52:32 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Randy Whittle Subject: Laser Printers I know this isn't specifically Thinkpad-related, but I had hoped I might solicit your collective expertise/buying acumen for a question regarding sources for a laser printer purchase. I just want to know where I can get the best deal by mail-order and I'd prefer it to be outside of the state of California, since I want to avoid CA sales tax (I think shipping from wherever for a laser printer might be cheaper than paying sales tax by buying it locally). In particular, I'm interested in a printer made by Lexmark. Any suggestions? Company name & phone number would be helpful. Thank you for your indulgence. Please respond privately at the addres in the .sig to minimize unrelated traffic to the TP list. ------- Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 22:45:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07284; Tue, 23 Jul 96 22:45:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29811; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:44:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:41:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29464; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:41:03 -0400 Received: from ts104.pcug.org.au ([203.10.76.104]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29433; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:40:40 -0400 From: Received: by ts104.pcug.org.au (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0029; Wed, 24 Jul 96 12:40:07 -0700 Message-Id: <9607241940.AA0029@ts104.pcug.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 12:29:08 +1000 To: hira@flash.bellcore.com, nil@akula.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: mwave modem dropping the line (701 & 760) X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <27_104_1_838225748> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stan said: > > >is there something to make the modem not > > >give up on PPP-internet (plus-pack95) after 5 minutes? my 701 and several > > >others' are repeatedly dropping the line after about 5 minutes. Hira said: > I used to have the same problem with my 760CD whenever I dialed a 28.8 modem at > the other end (I had no problem when I dialed a 14.4 number). [...] > Anyway, eventually I figured out that my machine had an older version of the > mwave driver and downloading a new version (I think it was version 2.11) from > http://www.pc.ibm.com/ solved my problem. I bought a 760CD a month or so ago and haven't seen the problem you guys have suffered, under DOS, Win3.1, or OS/2. One problem I did find annoying was that if I had the mwave modem set at 28800 and happened to hit a V.FC modem at the other end, my machine would drop right down to 2400bps and connect. I'd have to hang up and set the modem to 14400 and call again. For the interest of anyone else with the same problem - Yesterday I found a new V32BIS.DSP file that has fixed it. Wonderful /************************************************/ /* | Scuba Diving: */ /* Neil Mclean | Down Under in a */ /* Canberra, Australia | Land Down Under */ /************************************************/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 23 23:06:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07529; Tue, 23 Jul 96 23:06:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01500; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:05:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:04:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01304; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:04:03 -0400 Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01298; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:04:01 -0400 Received: from smtp.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id WAA11613; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:03:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199607240303.WAA11613@Kitten.mcs.com> To: "Eric Trepanier" , Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.99e) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:03:44 CDT From: Ron Heiby Reply-To: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: my thinkpad beefs Addressed to: "Eric Trepanier" ** Reply to note from "Eric Trepanier" Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:49:11 -0400 When the end of my adapter broke the first time, they sent me a new end to replace it with. They also suggested that I call up the Parts department and buy a few extra to have on hand, so I would be able to avoid any "down" time while waiting for a replacement in the future. I procrastinated, and when I needed to call for a similar problem a few months later, they told me that they'd re-engineered the adapter and swapped the whole thing with me. This one looks almost identical, but the end piece doesn't snap off (at least, not as easily), and is a single molded piece of plastic. I don't expect it to be breaking! BTW, the reason I was given for the ease with which that part breaks off is that it is intentional, to avoid damage to the ThinkPad if someone trips over the power cord. While I have no reason to doubt this, I suspect that a desire to have a single AC adapter with two different DC ends also had something to do with it. Of course, the question of why the ThinkPad line would require different DC ends is still one of those unanswered mysteries of life. Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 24 00:28:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08768; Wed, 24 Jul 96 00:28:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07844; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:27:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:25:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07589; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:25:18 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07578; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:25:10 -0400 Received: from liv-23.rust.net (liv-23.rust.net [206.42.195.123]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA12150 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960724002656.1b0f2794@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: Introduction (modem 701) I have a 701c and had the same problem. I went to a 28.8 pcmcia modem and with that the problem ended. IBM service confirmed that a problem does exist with no fix in sight. If you need proof of this try powering up your laptop for about an hour and then try a connection. I found that line dropping never occurred after a good warm up. It may only need a 1/2 hour or less. B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 24 13:20:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20990; Wed, 24 Jul 96 13:20:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07669; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:17:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:07:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06888; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:07:26 -0400 Received: from nvc.cc.ca.us (nvcc.nvc.cc.ca.us [198.94.160.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06863; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:07:06 -0400 Received: by nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.0) id AA04704; Wed, 24 Jul 96 10:06:08 -0700 Received: by marauder.nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.1) id AA02981; Tue, 23 Jul 96 21:40:39 -0700 X-Squishy-Bearz: Puffy, Cozy, Wuzz Wuzz, and Pierre X-Url: http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx From: "Chris Osborn" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 21:40:37 PDT Reply-To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us To: "Bill Bryan" Subject: Re: Introduction (modem 701) Cc: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960724002656.1b0f2794@rust.net> References: <2.2.16.19960724002656.1b0f2794@rust.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mynah 0.8ca m68k) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mynah 0.8ca m68k Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=Us-Ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit On Jul. 23 96, 21:24 PDT, "Bill Bryan" wrote: > If you need proof of this try powering up your laptop for about > an hour and then try a connection. I found that line dropping > never occurred after a good warm up. It may only need a 1/2 hour > or less. That sounds like my 755cx. If the temperature is below 70 degrees, the computer will hang when booting up. If I let it warm up a bit, then restart, no problem. If I restart too soon cuz it hasn't fully warmed up, it hangs again. I've even had the motherboard swapped, and it still does it. --- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 24 14:15:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22173; Wed, 24 Jul 96 14:15:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12023; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:12:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:05:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11424; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:05:03 -0400 Received: from mail-relay1 (mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu [130.132.21.199]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11398; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:05:00 -0400 Received: from capitoline.cis.yale.edu by mail-relay1 with SMTP id AA14196 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:04:40 -0400 Received: from minerva.cis.yale.edu (ckstern@minerva [130.132.143.250]) by capitoline.cis.yale.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29525 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ckstern@localhost) by minerva.cis.yale.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19158 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:04:53 -0400 (EDT) From: That Ken Guy X-Sender: ckstern@minerva To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: other vendors' hard drives Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What experience have y'all had with HD's from external vendors? I have a 701 CS with the 360 HD (not enough) and am looking to buy another one from a non-IBM source. I know that it's not supported by IBM, but will it work? Do I need some special adapter or should it just fit into the plastic case that the current one's in? And are those plastic cases available anywhere? TIA for feedback --CKS C. Kenneth Stern * WWW http://pantheon.cis.yale.edu/~ckstern e-mail ken.stern@yale.edu * finger ckstern@pantheon.cis.yale.edu Yale/Calhoun '97 * Phone 203-776-5544 * Calhoun CA * A E Pi Brother = = = - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = = = "My mother doesn't like my home page!" -- Trisha Anderson From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 24 14:43:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23283; Wed, 24 Jul 96 14:43:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13724; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:39:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:37:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13568; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:37:10 -0400 Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (firewall-user@[202.32.89.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13562; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:37:00 -0400 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id DAA02069; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:36:35 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma002067; Thu, 25 Jul 96 03:36:23 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id DAA07405; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:37:33 +0900 Received: by hamlet.wg.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-hamlet) id DAA21179; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:36:22 +0900 Received: by othello.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb/2.8Wb-othello) id DAA29020; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:36:19 +0900 From: Jeffrey Friedl Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:36:07 +0900 Message-Id: <199607241836.DAA00731@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> To: thinkpad mailing list Subject: Screen Whiteout (or: snowing in hell) Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp I had a nasty surprise of returning to my Thinkpad that I'd left unattended for 10 minutes (on my desk, at home) to find the screen brilliantly white (note: this is different from "handsome white"). The LCD or something had apparenetly spazzed out. I rebooted and all seems fine. A week or so ago I saw the same thing, this time witnessing the whiteout. You know when you stand up too quickly and blackout, and wait for a few seconds and your vision slowly starts to come back, as if you're exiting a fuzzy tunnel? Well, the opposite happened to the screen -- over the course of maybe two seconds a fuzzy circle of white started off to one side and engulfed the whole screen. This is scary. Any ideas? Unfortunately, EasyServe service is not as fast as The States (I once shipped the machine from LA to Memphis to be fixed, and got it back THE SAME DAY). I had it into IBM Japan once and it took weeks. BTW, not that I think it matters much, but it's a 755CX Jeffrey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey Friedl Omron Corp, Nagaokakyo, Kyoto 617 Japan See my Jap<->Eng dictionary at http://www.wg.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e or at mirrors at [enterprise.ic.gc.ca] and [www.itc.omron.com] From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 24 15:03:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24450; Wed, 24 Jul 96 15:03:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15830; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:01:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:00:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15469; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:59:59 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15439; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:59:41 -0400 Received: from kishinev.execpc.com (kishinev.execpc.com [169.207.8.192]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA04847; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:00:11 -0500 From: kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: "Tom Franklin" Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Port Replicator w/ 760E? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:00:14 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <31f6724e.18015235@mailgate.execpc.com> References: <7ADC63074EA@eng.conic.lmco.com> In-Reply-To: <7ADC63074EA@eng.conic.lmco.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:52:20 PDT, you wrote: >I have a port replicator with the PCMCIA slots, and I wonder if >anyone knows if this will work with the new PCI 760E machines. >THANKs > Regarding this old question, our port replicator (which I think is technically a TP 750 Port Replicator 1, does work with our 760ED. Interesting to me that when an external keyboard is hooked up, both keyboards are usable, not just the external one. We otherwise face the same issue regarding where to put the external monitor. We are have a stand that I think will do the trick. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 24 15:18:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25030; Wed, 24 Jul 96 15:18:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17141; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:15:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:13:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16934; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:13:49 -0400 Received: from mail-relay1 (mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu [130.132.21.199]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16909; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:13:45 -0400 Received: from capitoline.cis.yale.edu by mail-relay1 with SMTP id AA21148 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:13:25 -0400 Received: from minerva.cis.yale.edu (ckstern@minerva [130.132.143.250]) by capitoline.cis.yale.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06454 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ckstern@localhost) by minerva.cis.yale.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03573 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:13:39 -0400 (EDT) From: That Ken Guy X-Sender: ckstern@minerva To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: addendum to my question Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII what size must a hard drive be to fit into a 701? Thanks --CKS C. Kenneth Stern * WWW http://pantheon.cis.yale.edu/~ckstern e-mail ken.stern@yale.edu * finger ckstern@pantheon.cis.yale.edu Yale/Calhoun '97 * Phone 203-776-5544 * Calhoun CA * A E Pi Brother = = = - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = = = "My mother doesn't like my home page!" -- Trisha Anderson From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 24 16:54:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29765; Wed, 24 Jul 96 16:54:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25175; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:52:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:50:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24902; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:50:22 -0400 Received: from patty.loop.net (patty.loop.net [204.179.169.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24896; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:50:19 -0400 Received: from pma2_172.loop.com (pma2_172.loop.com [206.138.118.172]) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA08800 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:50:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199607242050.NAA08800@patty.loop.net> X-Sender: howie@pop.loop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:49:41 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Howard Subject: 701c internal microphone failed Recently there was a scratchy sound coming through the speaker when I adjusted the 701 screen/lid. When using an audio application, this was particularly apparent. (Sounded like a bad connection.) Last night the internal microphone totally gave up the ghost, and is inoperative. I suspect the sound I heard was the wiring for the mike slowly disintegrating. Anyone had a problem like this? (Connecting an external mike worked, so it is not an audio driver problem.) This also unearthed another fact: Even with the internal microphone out of service, audio applications still seem to pick up much background sound from within the computer, such as the hard drive searching. When testing with Audio Recorder, that came pre-installed, if I recorded sound, I could "hear" the hard drive clicks on playback. This is true even with the external mike plugged in but turned off. Love to hear any feedback before I contact IBM. Howard Simpson From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 24 17:22:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00303; Wed, 24 Jul 96 17:22:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27953; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:21:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:19:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27708; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:19:50 -0400 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (peckham@netcom10.netcom.com [192.100.81.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27695; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:19:47 -0400 Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA03471; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:19:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Peckham Engineering Subject: Oh, that modem problem To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960723143603.0066eef8@129.13.95.1> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Regarding the modem problem, I only managed to fix the problem with my shell account. It would not down load files, and would disconnect from email every now and then. Added a new modem string I got from some helpful person on the laptop news group. Will play with netscape next, but it sounds like that may not yeild so easily. Fortunately, I have a desktop machine which takes care of most of my web needs. -Frank __________________ On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Axel Hartmann wrote: > hi frank, > > what exactly did you do/change? is there something to make the modem not > give up on PPP-internet (plus-pack95) after 5 minutes? my 701 and several From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 24 19:14:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09298; Wed, 24 Jul 96 19:14:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05810; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:14:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:11:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05641; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:11:33 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05632; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:11:23 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 01:10:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960724231057.0067bf60@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:10:57 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: Oh, that modem problem Arrrghhhh! About 2E6 times someone mentiones changing some init-strings to make the 701-modem not hang up after 5 minutes. which strings do you change? i have not been able to find any init-strings to change with win95-plus-pack ppp! and if i were to find them, or change to trumpet-ppp, _nobody_ has yet posted the actual, working init-strings. also, updating the mwave-modem has been recommended. the tp701 modem is not a mwave in the broader sense: the dsp software can not be updated. so far, the most promising right now seems to be to heat up the thinkpad. (or upgrade to one of the new thinkpads, anyone remember the thread about them getting too hot?) any suggestions on glueing an isolator to the bottom? if anything conclusive _and_ working comes up, i'll put it on my web-site. nothing there yet, though. and only if i have the time. but my TV was stolen yesterday, so that isn't the problem right now. if my tone is off, please excuse me. as i mentioned, my TV is gone... axel > >Regarding the modem problem, >I only managed to fix the problem with my shell account. >It would not down load files, and would disconnect from >email every now and then. > >Added a new modem string I got from some >helpful person on the laptop news group. > >Will play with netscape next, but it sounds like that >may not yeild so easily. Fortunately, I have a desktop >machine which takes care of most of my web needs. > >-Frank >__________________ > >On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Axel Hartmann wrote: > >> hi frank, >> >> what exactly did you do/change? is there something to make the modem not >> give up on PPP-internet (plus-pack95) after 5 minutes? my 701 and several ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 24 19:42:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10195; Wed, 24 Jul 96 19:42:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07436; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:42:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:39:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07171; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:39:44 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07165; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:39:39 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_19.enteract.com (dialin_6_19.enteract.com [206.54.253.66]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id SAA09126 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:39:29 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Oh, that modem problem Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:45:19 GMT Message-Id: <31f6b4a8.83223002@smtp.enteract.com> References: <1.5.4.32.19960724231057.0067bf60@129.13.95.1> In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960724231057.0067bf60@129.13.95.1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Well, I use the factory default: at&f1. In Windows 95, in the Advanced Connection Settings dialogue, you put the init string in the extra settings box. I've never had the dropped calls problem with my 701, and this is the first I've heard of a cold modem problem (!?). epbrown On Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:10:57 -0400, you wrote: >Arrrghhhh! > >About 2E6 times someone mentiones changing some init-strings >to make the 701-modem not hang up after 5 minutes. > >which strings do you change? i have not been able to find >any init-strings to change with win95-plus-pack ppp! > >and if i were to find them, or change to trumpet-ppp, >_nobody_ has yet posted the actual, working init-strings. > > >also, updating the mwave-modem has been recommended. the >tp701 modem is not a mwave in the broader sense: the dsp >software can not be updated. > >so far, the most promising right now seems to be to heat up >the thinkpad. (or upgrade to one of the new thinkpads, >anyone remember the thread about them getting too hot?) >any suggestions on glueing an isolator to the bottom? > >if anything conclusive _and_ working comes up, i'll put >it on my web-site. nothing there yet, though. and only if >i have the time. but my TV was stolen yesterday, so that >isn't the problem right now. > >if my tone is off, please excuse me. as i mentioned, my >TV is gone... > >axel > >> >>Regarding the modem problem, >>I only managed to fix the problem with my shell account. >>It would not down load files, and would disconnect from >>email every now and then. >> >>Added a new modem string I got from some >>helpful person on the laptop news group. >> >>Will play with netscape next, but it sounds like that >>may not yeild so easily. Fortunately, I have a desktop >>machine which takes care of most of my web needs. >> >>-Frank >>__________________ >> >>On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Axel Hartmann wrote: >> >>> hi frank, >>> >>> what exactly did you do/change? is there something to make the modem not >>> give up on PPP-internet (plus-pack95) after 5 minutes? my 701 and several > >....................................................................... >. Axel Hartmann . >. Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . >. Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . >. E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . >. Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . >. Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . >....................................................................... > > epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown for information about laptops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 24 22:41:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17315; Wed, 24 Jul 96 22:41:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19569; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:41:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:37:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19306; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:37:33 -0400 Received: from ingr.ingr.com (ingr.ingr.com [129.135.211.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19300; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:37:29 -0400 Received: from hq14.pcmail.ingr.com by ingr.ingr.com (5.65c/1.920611) id AA04178; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:36:56 -0500 Received: by hq14.pcmail.ingr.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB79A8.3CF73080@hq14.pcmail.ingr.com>; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:36:56 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Russell, Mark S" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Loading Win95 and CD-ROM Drive Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:36:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 19 TEXT I am planning to switch from Win 3.1 to Win95. I am buying a pcmcia cd-rom for my TP760C. I have a couple of questions for the experts: 1) If I get the Win95 CD version, do I need to configure the CD-ROM drive first in Win 3.1, then begin the Win95 load process? 2) Are there advantages to getting the CD version of Win95 vs. the floppy version, or would I be better off loading Win95 from floppy and then configuring my cd-rom in Win95 only? Thanks, Mark Mark Russell Intergraph Corp. msrussel@ingr.com (205) 730-7233 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 24 22:43:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17324; Wed, 24 Jul 96 22:43:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19853; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:43:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:41:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19595; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:41:55 -0400 Received: from thebrain.noc.interop.net (thebrain.noc.interop.net [45.0.12.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19580; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:41:51 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com (ssh.noc.interop.net [45.0.12.76]) by thebrain.noc.interop.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11483; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:41:04 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960725024132.009ae7d4@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 20:41:32 -0600 To: "Russell, Mark S" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Loading Win95 and CD-ROM Drive At 09:36 PM 7/24/96 -0500, Russell, Mark S wrote: >1) If I get the Win95 CD version, do I need to configure the CD-ROM >drive first in Win 3.1, then begin the Win95 load process? Yes. >2) Are there advantages to getting the CD version of Win95 vs. the >floppy version, or would I be better off loading Win95 from floppy and >then configuring my cd-rom in Win95 only? Sure. You only have to load the CD ROM, not 30-something floppys! ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 05:24:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00041; Thu, 25 Jul 96 05:24:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25726; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 05:24:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 05:18:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23727; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 05:18:24 -0400 Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (firewall-user@ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23675; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 05:18:15 -0400 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id SAA06408; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:17:49 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma006403; Thu, 25 Jul 96 18:17:35 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id SAA06866; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:18:46 +0900 Received: by hamlet.wg.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-hamlet) id SAA27776; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:17:34 +0900 Received: by othello.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb/2.8Wb-othello) id SAA14639; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:17:31 +0900 From: Jeffrey Friedl Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:17:19 +0900 Message-Id: <199607250917.SAA02226@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> To: msrussel@ingr.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: (msrussel@ingr.com) Subject: Re: Loading Win95 and CD-ROM Drive Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp Russell, Mark S wrote: |> 1) If I get the Win95 CD version, do I need to configure the CD-ROM |> drive first in Win 3.1, then begin the Win95 load process? |> |> 2) Are there advantages to getting the CD version of Win95 vs. the |> floppy version, or would I be better off loading Win95 from floppy and |> then configuring my cd-rom in Win95 only? Before attacking this, you might want to get Scot Finne's _The Underground Guide to Windows 95_ (Addison Wesley, March 1996. ~US$23H. Hard to believe, but I can't find an ISBN number anywhere, including the back cover. Maybe look at http://www.aw.com/devpress/) I don't do much with W95, thank goodness, but a very in-deep friend says this book is fantastic. It has a whole chapter on notebooks and W95, with a lot on instillation. He recommends the floppy version of W95 only if you have absolutly no access to a CD-ROM drive. The CD-ROM version has lots of stuff the floppy version does not. Jeffrey From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 06:50:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07661; Thu, 25 Jul 96 06:50:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04808; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 06:50:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 06:46:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04688; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 06:46:41 -0400 Received: from bnr.ca (x400gate.bnr.ca [192.58.194.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04681; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 06:46:38 -0400 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 06:46:26 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 06:46:19 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 06:46:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 06:46:00 -0400 X400-Originator: /dd.id=0504153/g=daniel/i=d/s=hammett/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars735.b.652:25.06.96.10.46.19] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: TP750 Enhance... From: "daniel (d.) hammett" Sender: "daniel (d.) hammett" Message-Id: <"653 Thu Jul 25 06:46:21 1996"@bnr.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP750 Enhanced Parallel Port Hi Folks, Does anyone have problems enabling the EPP on their TP750? I read the FAQ and enabled LPT2 (in Easy Setup) and installed the EPP19.SYS driver in CONFIG.SYS. However, on boot up, an error message reports that the driver failed to initialise LPT1 and that I should enable LPT2 or LPT3. I used the PS2 command to do this (PS2 PARALLEL LPT2) and then rebooted without error. On subsequent reboots, the error sometimes appears again (if I have been using the parallel port) and requires me to type in the PS2 command again. Is it necesary to load the EPP19.SYS driver to enable the EPP port, or have other people just enabled LPT2 and it has worked? Can anyone tell me what data rate I might be able to expect with a parallel port CD-ROM like BackPack? Thanks in advance for your help, Regards Dan Hammett. NORTEL Northern Telecom (NITEC) Phoenix Customer Support Email: dhammett@nortel.ca ---- All my opinions are my own. ---- P.S If this message is badly formatted, blame COCOS or XRN, not me! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 09:33:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12708; Thu, 25 Jul 96 09:33:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15463; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:33:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:28:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14814; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:28:40 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com ([199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14808; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:28:38 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id JAA00378; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:23:59 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0502; Thu, 25 Jul 96 09:22:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9607251622.AA0502@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 1F7DD885E216D9A08525637200484B53; Thu, 25 Jul 96 09:22:32 EDT To: "Russell Mark S" Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 25 Jul 96 9:21:59 EDT Subject: Re: Loading Win95 and CD-ROM Drive X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...1) If I get the Win95 CD version, do I need to configure the CD-ROM drive first in Win 3.1, then begin the Win95 load process?..." no. the quickest, safest, easiest to troubleshoot way to load win95 without the help of an internal cd rom is to create a directory on your c: drive for the install image. copy the contents of d:\win95 (where d: is your cd rom) *only.* you do not need anything on the cd rom other than the "win95" directory to do an install, and it's only about 33mb. install from there, not from the cd itself, then you can remove all real mode drivers, initailize 95's card services, load card drivers, etc. it's very hassle-free this way & you can wipe out the image directory when you're done if you need the space. (i prefer to leave it to make changes & additions more seamless) "...2) Are there advantages to getting the CD version of Win95 vs. the floppy version, or would I be better off loading Win95 from floppy and then configuring my cd-rom in Win95 only?..." if you do it the way i described, you don't need floppies or real mode cd rom drivers. but, for the record, there are great performance and stability advantages to configuring *everything* in win95 only. i have no config.sys on any thinkpads & the only autoexc.bat's i have are for mwave machines, and even that is only one line to include c:\mww\dll in the path. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 09:51:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13264; Thu, 25 Jul 96 09:51:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17179; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:51:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:49:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16941; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:49:42 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16935; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:49:40 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA226970; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:49:36 GMT Received: from slip129-37-211-90.wi.us.ibm.net(129.37.211.90) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaImkDFW; Thu Jul 25 13:49:19 1996 Message-Id: <31F77B34.521E@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:48:36 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Wilson" Reply-To: jcwilso@ibm.net Organization: Badger Valve & Fitting X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5a (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, "Russell, Mark S" Subject: Re: Loading Win95 and CD-ROM Drive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, I recently switched to W95 from W3.11 on my 755cx. I have a CD-ROM in my Dock II Station so hoped to load from the W95 CD. I called IBM first and they strongly suggested loading W95 from floppies. It seems like you can, in theory, use an external CD-ROM to load W95, but it probably invites problems. I ended up using the floppies and, using IBM's "Installing Microsoft Windows 95 Upgrade on IBM 755CD[et all]", had no problems with the install. As much as it pains me to admit it, I do like W95. Hope this helps. Joe Wilson -- Joseph C. Wilson jcwilso@ibm.net Milwaukee, WI Russell, Mark S wrote: > > I am planning to switch from Win 3.1 to Win95. I am buying a pcmcia > cd-rom for my TP760C. I have a couple of questions for the experts: > > 1) If I get the Win95 CD version, do I need to configure the CD-ROM > drive first in Win 3.1, then begin the Win95 load process? > > 2) Are there advantages to getting the CD version of Win95 vs. the > floppy version, or would I be better off loading Win95 from floppy and > then configuring my cd-rom in Win95 only? > > Thanks, > Mark > > Mark Russell > Intergraph Corp. > msrussel@ingr.com > (205) 730-7233 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 10:15:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14086; Thu, 25 Jul 96 10:15:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20604; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:15:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:14:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20379; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:14:35 -0400 Received: from icicle.winternet.com (root@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20373; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:14:32 -0400 Received: from icicle.winternet.com (ppp-66-8.dialup.winternet.com [204.246.66.8]) by icicle.winternet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA03206 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:14:22 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:14:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960725141448.006da834@198.174.169.5> X-Sender: howarde@198.174.169.5 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:14:48 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Howard Ekman Subject: hard drive cases for TP750 Does anyone have or know where to get (for a reasonable cost) the plastic cases that are used for the removable hard drives in the TP750 series? I sure could use a couple of extras! ;) Please cc: your reply to me via email, since I get the list in digest form it is much easier to reply to an email. Thanks! Howard Ekman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ preferred : howarde@winternet.com (Terrapin Data Systems) physically : Minneapolis, MN, USA (voice:612/623-1156) spiritually : Todos Santos, Baja California Sur, Mexico From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 11:18:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16961; Thu, 25 Jul 96 11:18:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26222; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:18:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:14:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25748; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:14:21 -0400 Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25733; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:14:17 -0400 Received: from mroexc2.mro.dec.com by mail13.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.2/1.0/WV) id KAA00487; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mroexc2.mro.dec.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB7A17.AEA70B00@mroexc2.mro.dec.com>; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:54:41 -0400 Message-Id: From: Gary Henry To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: ThinkPAD's for Sale!! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:54:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For Sale Two (2) IBM THinkPAD 755CD's Less than 1 year old. Two years remaining on Warranty All manuals and cables. Configuration 1: 755C`D Includes * Pentium 75 Processor * 10.4" active matrix display * Internal Sound and speakers * 28.8 Internal modem * 2 type 1 or II PCMCIA slots, 1- Type III slot * 1.2 GB disk * 32 MB of memory * Internal CD Rom and Floppy * NTSC Video capable * and a lot more Price - $3,700.00 (or closest offer) Configuration 2: 755CD Includes * Pentium 75 Processor * 10.4" active matrix display * Internal Sound and speakers * 28.8 Internal modem * 2 type 1 or II PCMCIA slots, 1- Type III slot * 810 MB disk * 24 MB of memory * Internal CD Rom and Floppy * NTSC Video capable * and a lot more Price - $3,300.00 (or closest offer) Options Available: Floppy Drive External Kit $90.00 540 MB hard Drive $275.00 All prices NO NOT INCLUDE Shipping and FedEX COD Charges Please reply to Gary Henry henryg@mail.dec.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 15:04:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26973; Thu, 25 Jul 96 15:04:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15756; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:03:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:53:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14901; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:53:17 -0400 Received: from vader.akula.com (root@[206.216.189.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14892; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:53:08 -0400 Received: from [206.216.189.122] (dialup-22.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.122]) by vader.akula.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/akula) with ESMTP id OAA00918 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:54:15 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 14:54:15 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Stan Lobunets Subject: Misc. 701 questions Several questions about TP701c: Memory: I know that IBM specifies 3.3v. I've been using a Mitsubishi 5v chip for several months with no problem, but I've heard this can cause long-term problems (overheating). Can anyone confirm this? PCMCIA CD-ROM drives. Now that the Panasonic 2x PCMCIA SCSI drive is $200, I can buy one. Has anyone used one of these on a 701? I mainly need it to install programs (but it must to work with Linux). Is there a cheaper alternative? I passed on those cheap Reno drives because of bad reviews, and it's not that much cheaper if you add a SCSI card. Also, I've been thinking of buying NextStep 4.0, since academic bundle is only $300. I checked out www.next.com, but their compatibility page seems outdated. Is 701's video card supported by NextStep? Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 16:43:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04354; Thu, 25 Jul 96 16:43:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24555; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:43:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:41:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24373; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:41:27 -0400 Received: from pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24367; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:41:23 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0ujX47-00011EC; Thu, 25 Jul 96 16:31 EDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 16:31 EDT From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) To: nil@akula.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: (message from Stan Lobunets on Sat, 25 May 1996 14:54:15 -0400) Subject: Re: Misc. 701 questions ...PCMCIA CD-ROM drives. Now that the Panasonic 2x PCMCIA SCSI drive is $200, I can buy one. Has anyone used one of these on a 701? I mainly need it to install programs (but it must to work with Linux)... If you are referring to the KXL-D720, there are some problems: the PC Card shipped with the drive, the KXL-C001, is only supported under DOS/WIN3.1 and WIN95. It is not supported under OS/2 or Linux. The next model up, the KXL-D740 and its associated PC Card, the KXL-C002, is supported under Linux. (I am not sure about OS/2 - the card is actually made by QLogic). David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 16:48:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05288; Thu, 25 Jul 96 16:48:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25094; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:48:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:47:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24987; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:47:57 -0400 Received: from vader.akula.com (root@[206.216.189.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24980; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:47:54 -0400 Received: from [206.216.189.122] (dialup-22.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.122]) by vader.akula.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/akula) with ESMTP id QAA01748; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:48:50 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: (message from Stan Lobunets on Sat, 25 May 1996 14:54:15 -0400) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:48:48 -0400 To: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) From: Stan Lobunets Subject: Re: Misc. 701 questions Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu At 4:31 PM -0400 7/25/96, David Jones wrote: > ...PCMCIA CD-ROM drives. Now that the Panasonic 2x PCMCIA SCSI drive > is $200, I can buy one. Has anyone used one of these on a 701? I > mainly need it to install programs (but it must to work with > Linux)... > >If you are referring to the KXL-D720, there are some problems: the PC >Card shipped with the drive, the KXL-C001, is only supported under >DOS/WIN3.1 and WIN95. It is not supported under OS/2 or Linux. The >next model up, the KXL-D740 and its associated PC Card, the KXL-C002, >is supported under Linux. (I am not sure about OS/2 - the card is >actually made by QLogic). > >David Jones Yep, that's the one. Damn. I can't justify $400 to myself just for installing Linux. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com - http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 17:07:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06394; Thu, 25 Jul 96 17:07:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26943; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:06:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:05:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26752; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:05:29 -0400 Received: from mail.eunet.ch (mail.eunet.ch [146.228.10.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26732; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:05:25 -0400 Received: from everest.esec.ch by mail.eunet.ch (8.7.5/1.34) id VAA03450; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:06:08 GMT Received: from blanc (blanc.esec.ch [194.191.94.144]) by everest (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA01306 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:11:15 +0200 Sender: seibert@al.esec.ch Message-Id: <31F7D4E3.6704@al.esec.ch> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:11:15 +0200 From: Carsten Seibert Organization: ESEC SA, Cham, Switzerland X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.01 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 760ED & Win NT & Novell ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard just recently about this mailing list and I'm glad to find a source of TP information. I have a ThinkPad 760ED and I'm currently using NT 3.51 on it. The machine is connected to our company network and I'm using TCP/IP (NFS & Reflection/X) to do most of my daily work. Now I tried to install the Novell Client Services for NT (3.5b from ftp.novell.com). The installation worked fine, after a rebott I could access the Novell server's services (FileManager, connect drives/PrintManager connect to network printers) without problems. But then I tried to start Reflection/X except a period of intense harddisk work nothing happened. I tried a shutdown but that lead to a popup window telling me "C:\WINNT\System32\NetWare\NWMSGSVC.EXE didn't respond to the end task request" (or similar). After restart I tried to start other 16 bit applications (Videotext decoder) but with the same result (nothing happened, shutdown caused above message). I assume that for some reasons this NWMSGSVC.EXE causes a "hang-up" in the Windows 16 bit subsystem. Any idea what the cause/reason could be? I tried already the latest patch disk from novell for the client services but without a noticable improvement. Any help is greatly appreciated! TIA Carsten From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 17:14:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06793; Thu, 25 Jul 96 17:14:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27775; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:13:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:12:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27495; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:12:39 -0400 Received: from pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27489; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:12:36 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0ujXgc-00011EC; Thu, 25 Jul 96 17:11 EDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 17:11 EDT From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) To: nil@akula.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Misc. 701 questions If memory serves me correctly, there are three PC Cards supported under Linux: o Adaptec SlimSCSI (APA-1640) o New Media Bus Toaster o QLogic I am currently in negotiations with Matsushita/Panasonic to get the details of the KXL-C001; they have been very cagey so far but it looks like I should be getting something from them soon. Then I will implement the client drivers for both Linux and OS/2. Of course I have a Catch-22 situation: I have the KXL-D720 for the TP701 but cannot do Linux development till I get Linux running - I will probably use my desktop for cross development. David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 19:26:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13445; Thu, 25 Jul 96 19:26:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06981; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:26:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:22:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06682; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:22:02 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06675; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:21:59 -0400 Received: from brujah.execpc.com (brujah.execpc.com [169.207.8.216]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id SAA28992 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:22:41 -0500 From: kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Best carrying case for Thinkpad 760 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:22:49 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <31f80182.10597943@mailgate.execpc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 I know this is an FAQ, but I don't have anything on file. I'm looking for the best carrying case for a 760E series machine. Targus? Port? If Port, which one? Thanks for your help. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 20:24:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15799; Thu, 25 Jul 96 20:24:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10507; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:24:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:23:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10395; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:23:09 -0400 Received: from thebrain.noc.interop.net (thebrain.noc.interop.net [45.0.12.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10386; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:23:05 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com (ssh.noc.interop.net [45.0.12.76]) by thebrain.noc.interop.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17783 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:22:22 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960726002250.009174d0@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:22:50 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Com ports There was some conversation here on this topic a while ago. Here is what I believe will get you going. If it doesn't, please feel free to e-mail me and I will attempt to assist you: First, make sure the com ports are enabled in your BIOS using Easy Setup (F1 on boot) Second, diable those com ports you won't be using in the Thinkpad utilities Third (and most important): Disable the com ports you don't want using the Device Manager under System in the Control Panel. You do this by turning them off for the hardware profile that you want. Then, reboot. As long as you've disabled enough of the ports, you should have the port back. You'll know if you have a light box, because it will light up nearly as soon as Win95 boots. If you don't have a box, give it a try with Hyperterm or something. Hope this helps ya'll! ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 20:56:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17089; Thu, 25 Jul 96 20:56:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12987; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:56:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:53:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12632; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:53:46 -0400 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (root@franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.2.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12626; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:53:43 -0400 Received: from [128.120.18.114] by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.8) id RAA04589; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: sztarkin@peseta.ucdavis.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:55:58 -0700 To: kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner), THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: Re: Best carrying case for Thinkpad 760 At 16:22 7/25/96, Tom Kustner wrote: >I know this is an FAQ, but I don't have anything on file. > >I'm looking for the best carrying case for a 760E series machine. >Targus? Port? If Port, which one? Thanks for your help. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation >System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. >Email: kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA >Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. I think if you compare the two makers, you will find Port's features and quality clearly superior. Which Port case is a matter of personal choice, but the designs with the shorter main flaps are easier to open when the user is jammed in an airplane seat. The only problem with these cases is that they scream "expensive laptop inside". You really have to watch it all the time. Brian _______________________ Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu 74033.2574@compuserve.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 21:07:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17560; Thu, 25 Jul 96 21:07:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13776; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:07:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:05:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13589; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:05:34 -0400 Received: from kirk.ecs.umass.edu (kirk.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13583; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:05:31 -0400 Received: from ecs.umass.edu (isp06.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.92.156]) by kirk.ecs.umass.edu (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id VAA00201 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:05:17 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960726010634.0066ddf8@kirk.ecs.umass.edu> X-Sender: jshu@kirk.ecs.umass.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:06:34 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jack Shu Subject: TrackPoint III cap? Anyone know where I can get some of these trackpoint III caps for my thinkpad 701? I need to get a large quantity of these. we have about 20 thinkpads at work and we go through them like crazy. IBM used to send us these for free, but they have stopped doing so. any info/lead would be appreciated. thanks! Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Jack Shu jshu@ecs.umass.edu University of Massachusetts College of Engineering ..::''''::.. .:::. .;'' ``;. .... ::::: :: :: :: :: ,;' .;: :: ..: `:::' :: :: :: :: ::. ..:,:;.,:;. .. :: .::::. `:' :: .:' :: :: `:. :: '''::, :: :: :: :: :: ;: .:: : :: : : :: ,:'; ::; :: :: :: :: :: ::,::''. . :: `:. .:' :: `:,,,,;;' ,;; ,;;, ;;, ,;;, ,;;, `:,,,,:' :;: `;..``::::''..;' ``::,,,,::'' o \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \ o / o /|\ | /\ ___\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ / \ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / \ / \ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 21:48:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19701; Thu, 25 Jul 96 21:48:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17224; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:48:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:45:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16892; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:45:56 -0400 Received: from hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (HOOPLA.CS.NYU.EDU [128.122.129.127]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16884; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:45:52 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA25422; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:04:37 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: news From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Newsgroups: thinkpad Subject: XFree86 on Thinkpad at 800x600 Date: 25 Jul 1996 22:04:36 -0400 Organization: NYU Media Research Lab. Lines: 7 Sender: fox@hoopla.cs.nyu.edu Message-Id: Reply-To: fox@cs.nyu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: hoopla.cs.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Will the person who said they had a program to achive 800x600 on a thinkpad (560, 755CX, or 760) please post it or email it. Thanks. Also, any other insights anyone has. -- David Fox http://found.cs.nyu.edu/fox xoF divaD NYU Media Research Lab fox@cs.nyu.edu baL hcraeseR aideM UYN From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 22:26:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20792; Thu, 25 Jul 96 22:26:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20133; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:26:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:23:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19885; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:23:55 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19879; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:23:53 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA14247; Thu, 25 Jul 96 22:21:02 EDT Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 22:21:02 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607260221.AA14247@nile.gnat.com> To: fox@cs.nyu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: XFree86 on Thinkpad at 800x600 by the way, we have XFree86 working nicely at 1024x768 on a Tecra, very pretty! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 25 23:02:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22026; Thu, 25 Jul 96 23:02:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22619; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:01:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:58:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22325; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:58:52 -0400 Received: from vader.akula.com (root@[206.216.189.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22319; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:58:50 -0400 Received: from [206.216.189.105] (dialup-05.pm1.nyc.akula.com [206.216.189.105]) by vader.akula.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/akula) with ESMTP id WAA01400; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:59:54 -0400 X-Sender: nil@akula.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9607260221.AA14247@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:59:54 -0400 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Stan Lobunets Subject: Re: XFree86 on Thinkpad at 800x600 Cc: fox@cs.nyu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:21 PM -0400 7/25/96, Robert Dewar wrote: >by the way, we have XFree86 working nicely at 1024x768 on a Tecra, very >pretty! Ok, since we are not talking about ThinkPads just this moment, does anybody know anyone who runs Xfree on a Samsung 810? What a beautiful machine, btw. Not as cool as the 701 though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nil@akula.com - stan@syberia.com http://www.syberia.com/stan/netcrate/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 00:10:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24709; Fri, 26 Jul 96 00:10:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27279; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:09:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:06:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27004; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:06:08 -0400 Received: from ns.interserf.net (root@ns.interserf.net [205.244.8.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26964; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:06:05 -0400 Received: from serfer25.interserf.net (serfer25.interserf.net [205.244.8.44]) by ns.interserf.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA25240; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:09:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:09:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199607260409.AAA25240@ns.interserf.net> X-Sender: vicgonzlez@interserf.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) From: Vic Gonzalez Subject: Re: 701C parallel port pass thru devices Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 05:11 PM 7/21/96 GMT, you wrote: > Vic and all, > Where'd you get the EasyPhoto and what'd you pay, anyway? If it's >cheap enough, I'll get one and hack around with it, too, and maybe >we'll come up with something. I've been planning on getting a photo >scanner (I was looking at the Primax), and this sounds like an >interesting project. > I'd also like to hear more about Lee's 1GB drive. What brand are >you using, did you find an extra caddy, and how's it working so far? > epbrown >epbrown@enteract.com >Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown >for information about laptops. > > Never did solve the parallel port pass through issue. I found a Mustek Color PCMCIA Hand held scanner through NECX for about $187. It did the job until some bad scanner pixels spoiled the party. Sent it back and NECX is sending me a new one. On the good side, this scanner will scan 24 bit color or B/W at 800 dpi. Not quite as easy as feeder style but its real convenient to carry around. Works great with my 701C!!! If I'd had more time I think I would have hacked around myself. Somebody wrote me with what I believe is the answer. This person said to de-activate everything, including the track point, and then load the software. Once you get the parallel port device working then turn things on one at a time. This way you'll know exactly what causes the problem. Sounds logical. BTW - the Easy Photo setup looks almost exactly like the Primax mobile office and I found it for $199 at Best Buys and Micro Center. Take Care - Vic From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 00:27:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25144; Fri, 26 Jul 96 00:27:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28455; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:26:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:24:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28251; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:24:25 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28245; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:24:22 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id XAA07724; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:25:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id XAA15125; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:24:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:24:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: keith_mishkind@colpal.com Cc: "John H. Kim" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: help-HD swap In-Reply-To: <9606208378.AA837885522@colpal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Jul 1996 keith_mishkind@colpal.com wrote: > Hey, I'll check the site to verify what you are saying but it defies > my current reality. EIDE is a different standard with different pin > outs. I have freely been swapping hard drives between laptops for > Years and IDE drives have been easily swapable. The 540 and 810 > drives from IBM are IDE not EIDE. It is conceivable that a BIOS > upgrade was needed to upgrade but this does not make IDE into EIDE. I did upgrade the bios. it didn't help. I was able to fdisk and format the 540 in another laptop (chaplet 386) I put back in the 750 and still nothing. I did notice that "340 MB" is printed on the multi conductor flat ribbon cable that connects the hd to the main board. So the consensus is putting an EIDE drive into a computer made for IDE won't work? what a bummer Anyone want to trade a 540 or larger IDE for a almost brand new WD AL2540 2.5 in drive?? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 10:07:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23506; Fri, 26 Jul 96 10:07:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14804; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:05:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:59:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14146; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:59:54 -0400 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.5.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14133; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:59:40 -0400 Received: from percy.futures.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:58:49 +0100 Received: from percy (percy.futures.bt.co.uk) by percy.futures.bt.co.uk (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29272; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:59:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:59:01 +0100 (BST) From: dave pratt X-Sender: djp@percy To: fox@cs.nyu.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: XFree86 on Thinkpad at 800x600 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For me the key was finding out about the "ps2" program in DOS, boot to clean dos (not full Win95 dos) - i think F5 does this but I've modified msdos.sys to give a menu, ps2 mode3x on and then Loadlin, etc This gives me 800x600, but the kernel still gets confused over the number of columns in console mode, unless I "vga=ask", after which it seems to be better for some strange reason. With the right XF86Config you then get 800x600 Xwindows. Cheers Dave P On 25 Jul 1996, David Fox wrote: ->Date: 25 Jul 1996 22:04:36 -0400 ->From: David Fox ->Reply-To: fox@cs.nyu.edu ->To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu ->Newsgroups: thinkpad ->Subject: XFree86 on Thinkpad at 800x600 -> ->Will the person who said they had a program to achive 800x600 on a ->thinkpad (560, 755CX, or 760) please post it or email it. Thanks. ->Also, any other insights anyone has. -> ->-- ->David Fox http://found.cs.nyu.edu/fox xoF divaD ->NYU Media Research Lab fox@cs.nyu.edu baL hcraeseR aideM UYN -> -------- The views expressed here may or may not be my own. WWW - doesn't that stand for "Wait a Week Word" ? Wenn Q kastriert wird, wird er dann zu O ? Dave Pratt (tel: +44 1473 643840 ) djp@futures.bt.co.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 10:32:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24417; Fri, 26 Jul 96 10:32:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17473; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:31:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:29:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17163; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:29:31 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17155; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:29:29 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA23507; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:29:17 GMT Received: from slip129-37-211-99.wi.us.ibm.net(129.37.211.99) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smayrYDFW; Fri Jul 26 14:29:11 1996 Message-Id: <31F8D62B.3EB9@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:28:59 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Wilson" Reply-To: jcwilso@ibm.net Organization: Badger Valve & Fitting X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5a (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, Tom Kustner Subject: Re: Best carrying case for Thinkpad 760 References: <31f80182.10597943@mailgate.execpc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Kustner wrote: > > I know this is an FAQ, but I don't have anything on file. > > I'm looking for the best carrying case for a 760E series machine. > Targus? Port? If Port, which one? Thanks for your help. Tom, I have been using my ThinkPad case (made by Port, about $85.00 from IBM) for almost a year and it looks almost as good as it did the day I took it out of the box. I use every day w/ my 755cx, tossing it around in my car, and it takes the abuse and protects my precious TP. Things I particularly like, besides its ruggedness: Sling that cushions & supports the computer lots of roomy pockets (this doubles as my briefcase too) great quality hardware... zippers, buckles, straps, etc. have never given me a hint of trouble This topic came up about 6-8 months ago and the general consensus seemed to be that the Port bag is #1 (IMHO) Good luck. -- Joseph C. Wilson jcwilso@ibm.net Milwaukee, WI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 11:03:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25512; Fri, 26 Jul 96 11:03:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21310; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:01:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:00:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21212; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:00:54 -0400 Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21204; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:00:50 -0400 From: Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA29456 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:02:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:02:41 -0400 Message-Id: <960726110240_442542888@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Best carrying case for Thinkpad 760 I don't think you have to go to expensive cases nor ones that are "designed" especially for a laptop/notebook computer. I purchased one case at Sam's Club and another at Walmart. Both cases were less than $40. The one from Sam's is similar to a pilots flight cases, i.e. that is about 8" w x 17" L x 11" h. Lots of room for my 755CX, Cannon BJC-70 printer, power supplies for both, mouse, cables, disks, plus LOTS of folders stuffed with paper. A true traveling office but the case is not small. I also bought at Walmart a leather case that is wonderful although a bit cramped when I put all the computer equipment in it. It looks VERY good and can easily pass for cases costing $150 or more. So I'm thinking that cheap is not a bad way to go even when the computer and printer together cost about $7000. Anybody have experiences with cheap cases, either good or bad, that they would like to share." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 11:23:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26454; Fri, 26 Jul 96 11:23:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23672; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:22:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:20:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23392; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:20:24 -0400 Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23376; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:20:21 -0400 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id LAA06096; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16184; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:19:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:19:58 -0400 From: rkurzman@world.std.com (ricky kurzman) Message-Id: <199607261519.AA16184@world.std.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Cases (again) I'm sure that this has come up countless times as well, but I'm trying to find the phone number/web address where to get/see a Port case. Will it fit the Tecra? Thanks much, ricky From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 11:34:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26861; Fri, 26 Jul 96 11:34:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24655; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:32:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:30:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24345; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:30:34 -0400 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24334; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:30:26 -0400 From: Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA12085 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:32:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:32:00 -0400 Message-Id: <960726113159_164751874@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New Mwave Drivers I've downloaded the text file from the IBM Thinkpad WWW site for installing Windows 95 on my 755CX. However, the ftp site it calls to get the Mwave drivers has two different Mwave drivers; the one in the documentation MW952101.EXE/MW952102.EXE, and newer ones labeled MW95211A.EXE and MWE95211B.EXE. Are the 211 files an newer version of Mwave? If so, with they run on the 755CX or are they only compatible with other Thinkpads? Thanx in advance Mike Pinter, Sr. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 11:48:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27407; Fri, 26 Jul 96 11:48:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25926; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:45:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:45:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25768; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:45:03 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25743; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:44:59 -0400 Received: from brit.netcom.com (dfw-tx26-12.ix.netcom.com [205.186.179.44]) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) with SMTP id KAA01115; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:41:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960726154651.0074281c@psa.pencom.com> X-Sender: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:46:51 -0500 To: dave pratt From: Rick Tait Subject: Re: XFree86 on Thinkpad at 800x600 Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu OK. I have two Thinkpads, a 755CX and a 760CD. I can't seem to find my original Utility disks, so does anyone know where I can find the uttp*.exe files from the IBM web site for my 755CX so I can run the ps2 program? Thanks, /rickt At 02:59 PM 26-07-96 +0100, you wrote: >For me the key was finding out about the "ps2" program in DOS, > >boot to clean dos (not full Win95 dos) - i think F5 does this but I've >modified msdos.sys to give a menu, > >ps2 mode3x on >and then Loadlin, etc > >This gives me 800x600, but the kernel still gets confused over the number of >columns in console mode, unless I "vga=ask", after which it seems to be better >for some strange reason. With the right XF86Config you then get 800x600 >Xwindows. > >Cheers >Dave P -- main(v,c)char**c;{for(v[c++]="Rick Tait \n)";(!!c)[ *c]&&(v--||--c&&execlp(*c,*c,c[!!c]+!!c,!c));**c=!c)write(!!*c,*c,!!**c);} Tel: (214) 541-3777 Fax: (214) 541-8718 Beep: (800) 759-8888 Pin#249-2642 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 11:51:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27433; Fri, 26 Jul 96 11:51:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26285; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:48:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:48:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26161; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:48:20 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (ts700-702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.110.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26133; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:48:08 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (uucp@localhost) by lugs.org.sg (8.7.1/8.7.3) with UUCP id XAA07340 for cs.utk.edu!thinkpad; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 23:23:35 +0800 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ujoRT-0002EHC; Fri, 26 Jul 96 23:04 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA00246; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 23:59:12 +0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 23:59:11 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: WetSuits for TP701C ? 1.0, 2.0 or 3.0 ? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi ! I have a TP701C ("butterfly") and want a good casing for it. Someone is selling a Wetsuit 3.0 and he says it's for sub-notebooks (Fits TP500s and a few others.. toshiba porteges too I heard) So I was wondering if anyone has any experience ? Also, maybe someone can recommend other casings and tell me the difference between the 3 versions of wetsuit. Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 12:44:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29830; Fri, 26 Jul 96 12:44:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01214; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:42:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:39:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00894; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:38:59 -0400 Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [165.90.138.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00888; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:38:56 -0400 Received: from mrcwdnbm.calweb.com (sac3-93.calweb.com account=mrcwdnbm [165.90.187.93]) by mail.calweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26448 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31F8F5D3.2B89@calweb.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:44:03 -0700 From: Marc Weidenbaum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: wet suits References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Wetsuits 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 are simply different sizes. The 3.0 is the smallest, and fits the 701 fine, snug (that's the point), with room to spare in the slim front pouch for the 701's disc drive. One minor caveat: the Wetsuit is designed to be attached to a portable PC's keyboard, but the design doesn't allow for the 701's butterfly keyboard. All this means is that you're using the Wetsuit as a removeable carrying case instead of as the fancy beach-quality exoskeleton it was designed to be. Silicon Sports, the Wetsuit's manufacturer, also makes a complementary softshell disc-holder that happens to be the *perfect* size for the 701's power pack and disc drive cable. As William Gibson wrote, the street has its own use for things. -- Marc Weidenbaum mrcwdnbm@calweb.com http://www.calweb.com/~mrcwdnbm From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 12:45:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00013; Fri, 26 Jul 96 12:45:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01389; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:44:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:43:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01269; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:43:09 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01263; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:43:06 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id LAA25617; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:43:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id LAA01802; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:42:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:42:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: RLSimpson@aol.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Best carrying case for Thinkpad 760 In-Reply-To: <960726110240_442542888@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Jul 1996 RLSimpson@aol.com wrote: > I don't think you have to go to expensive cases nor ones that are "designed" I Aree... > computer equipment in it. It looks VERY good and can easily pass for cases > costing $150 or more. So I'm thinking that cheap is not a bad way to go even Why would you want to do that? I'd prefer to make my computer look as unattractive as possible, especially when traveling. Be especially careful going through carry-on baggage check(x-ray). The latest ploy used by thieves goes like this: You put your computer on the belt, then get in line to walk through the metal detector. But the guy in front of you keeps setting off the alarm, causing a delay. Meanwhile, his accomplice grabe your computer off the other end of the belt and takes off. I use a Land's End soft/canvas brief case which I got at an outlet store for $3. I think they are about $30 normally. It's great, looks properly scruffy, stained and faded, etc. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 12:55:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00272; Fri, 26 Jul 96 12:55:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02228; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:53:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:52:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02110; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:52:41 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (root@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02091; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:52:35 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id KAA02238; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:36:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: MPinter@aol.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Mwave Drivers In-Reply-To: <960726113159_164751874@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Unless I am mistaken, the MW952101 and 02.exe files are the older version which would not support above 14.4 modem spees and some other features. I have been able to use MWave drivers for OS/2 and Windows voer multiple Mwave TPads. I have used the MWave for Win95 on the 755CX ONLY, but I imagine that they are probably the same. The 755CX had a PITA install for Mwave for 95. It included a BIOS upgrade, installation of MWave for DOS and then the MWave for 95. But, it did work. --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO http://www.leopard.com On Fri, 26 Jul 1996 MPinter@aol.com wrote: > I've downloaded the text file from the IBM Thinkpad WWW site for installing > Windows 95 on my 755CX. However, the ftp site it calls to get the Mwave > drivers has two different Mwave drivers; the one in the documentation > MW952101.EXE/MW952102.EXE, and newer ones labeled MW95211A.EXE and > MWE95211B.EXE. Are the 211 files an newer version of Mwave? If so, with > they run on the 755CX or are they only compatible with other Thinkpads? > > Thanx in advance > Mike Pinter, Sr. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 12:58:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00319; Fri, 26 Jul 96 12:58:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02576; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:56:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:56:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02464; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:56:02 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02449; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:55:56 -0400 Received: from bryan-2 (lax-ca23-18.ix.netcom.com [204.31.253.178]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA01024; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:55:19 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960726165656.006b9fac@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: fordb@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:56:56 -0700 To: rkurzman@world.std.com (ricky kurzman) From: Bryan Ford Subject: Re: Cases (again) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu You can reach port at 203-852-1102. Their fax number is 203-866-0221. I have been very satisfied with my port computer cases. Bryan At 11:19 AM 7/26/96 -0400, ricky kurzman wrote: >I'm sure that this has come up countless times as well, but I'm trying >to find the phone number/web address where to get/see a Port case. Will >it fit the Tecra? Thanks much, >ricky From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 13:29:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05273; Fri, 26 Jul 96 13:29:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04576; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:26:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:24:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04327; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:24:20 -0400 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.5.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04316; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:24:10 -0400 Received: from percy.futures.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 18:23:37 +0100 Received: from percy (percy.futures.bt.co.uk) by percy.futures.bt.co.uk (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00804; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 18:23:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 18:23:50 +0100 (BST) From: dave pratt X-Sender: djp@percy To: Rick Tait Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: XFree86 on Thinkpad at 800x600 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960726154651.0074281c@psa.pencom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd start with: http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tpsu.html There's some other stuff if you start with www.pc.ibm.com and click thinkpads. I was frustrated to have to create about 10+ floppies and install from them, and until now I've gone for months with never touching a floppy (unix/macs/networks=no floppies) Cheers Dave P On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Rick Tait wrote: ->Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:46:51 -0500 ->From: Rick Tait ->To: dave pratt ->Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu ->Subject: Re: XFree86 on Thinkpad at 800x600 -> ->OK. I have two Thinkpads, a 755CX and a 760CD. I can't seem to find my ->original Utility disks, so does anyone know where I can find the ->uttp*.exe files from the IBM web site for my 755CX so I can run the ps2 ->program? -> ->Thanks, ->/rickt -> -> ->At 02:59 PM 26-07-96 +0100, you wrote: ->>For me the key was finding out about the "ps2" program in DOS, ->> ->>boot to clean dos (not full Win95 dos) - i think F5 does this but I've ->>modified msdos.sys to give a menu, ->> ->>ps2 mode3x on ->>and then Loadlin, etc ->> ->>This gives me 800x600, but the kernel still gets confused over the number of ->>columns in console mode, unless I "vga=ask", after which it seems to be better ->>for some strange reason. With the right XF86Config you then get 800x600 ->>Xwindows. ->> ->>Cheers ->>Dave P ->-- ->main(v,c)char**c;{for(v[c++]="Rick Tait \n)";(!!c)[ ->*c]&&(v--||--c&&execlp(*c,*c,c[!!c]+!!c,!c));**c=!c)write(!!*c,*c,!!**c);} ->Tel: (214) 541-3777 Fax: (214) 541-8718 Beep: (800) 759-8888 Pin#249-2642 -> -------- The views expressed here may or may not be my own. WWW - doesn't that stand for "Wait a Week Word" ? Wenn Q kastriert wird, wird er dann zu O ? Dave Pratt (tel: +44 1473 643840 ) djp@futures.bt.co.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 14:53:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11242; Fri, 26 Jul 96 14:53:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11614; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:52:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:49:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11016; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:49:08 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11010; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:49:05 -0400 From: Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA182754 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 18:49:02 GMT Received: from slip166-72-214-76.ca.us.ibm.net(166.72.214.76) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaAKoDFW; Fri Jul 26 18:48:38 1996 Received: by slip166-72-214-76.ca.us.ibm.net (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0133; Fri, 26 Jul 96 11:50:29 -0700 Message-Id: <9607261850.AA0133@slip166-72-214-76.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 11:45:18 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: Cases (again) X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <132_158_1_838395918> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can get a FAX of each of the Port cases via their FAX back service. You can find the various FAX back codes on their web page (http://www.portinc.com/ibmpad1.htm) which you can also get to from the ThinkPad homepage (http://www.pc.ibm.com/cgi-bin/imagemap/nhome?50,55?50,55) under Options. Lee > > You can reach port at 203-852-1102. Their fax number is 203-866-0221. I > have been very satisfied with my port computer cases. > > Bryan > > > > At 11:19 AM 7/26/96 -0400, ricky kurzman wrote: > >I'm sure that this has come up countless times as well, but I'm trying > >to find the phone number/web address where to get/see a Port case. Will > >it fit the Tecra? Thanks much, > >ricky > > > ||-----------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net OR laniear@netcom.com || || "Free advice is seldom cheap" || || 69th Ferengi Rule of of Acquisition || ||------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 15:12:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13004; Fri, 26 Jul 96 15:12:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13359; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:11:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:03:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12576; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:03:51 -0400 Received: from cs.bu.edu (root@CS.BU.EDU [128.197.13.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12570; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:03:48 -0400 Received: from csa.bu.edu by cs.bu.edu (8.6.10/Spike-2.1) id PAA24670; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:01:05 -0400 Received: by csa.bu.edu (8.6.10/Spike-2.1) id PAA01021; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:01:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:01:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Gutchess Subject: 755Cs & Linux install To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I am new to this group, sorry if it's been discussed before. I am trying to install Redhat 3.0.3 on my Thinkpad 755Cs, from floppy disk. The install process seemed to go smoothly, and I installed lilo on the superblock of the linux partition, which is set to bootable. Now, when I try to boot from the hard disk, the Thinkpad hangs, and only shows: I9990305 on the top of the screen. The floppy install takes so long I don't want to try it again. Anyone seen this before, or have any idea what the problem might be? Thanks, Dan +----------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Dan Gutchess | Boston University CS Department | | dgutches@cs.bu.edu | http://acs2.bu.edu:8001/~dgutches/ | +----------------------+--------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 15:38:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14314; Fri, 26 Jul 96 15:38:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15739; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:38:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:37:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15610; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:37:06 -0400 Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15604; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:37:03 -0400 Received: (from ping@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA04211 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:37:35 -0700 From: Ping Mai Message-Id: <199607261937.MAA04211@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: hello To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:37:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Machine: o ThinkPad 701 486DX4/75 o dual scan screen o 8 MB RAM o 710 HD o 3COM PCMCIA Etherlink III combo o Panasonic portable 4x SCSI cdrom and PCMCIA SCSI adapter OS: o FreeBSD 2.1.5 on 290 MB partitions (30MB swap), with XFree86 o Windows 3.11 and OS2 share 410MB Case: o PORT nylon case (don't know the model) ping From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 17:14:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22046; Fri, 26 Jul 96 17:14:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24685; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:14:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:10:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24236; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:10:53 -0400 Received: from nvc.cc.ca.us (nvcc.nvc.cc.ca.us [198.94.160.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24223; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:10:45 -0400 Received: by nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.0) id AA26049; Fri, 26 Jul 96 14:10:20 -0700 Received: by marauder.nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.1) id AA01623; Fri, 26 Jul 96 14:09:43 -0700 X-Squishy-Bearz: Puffy, Cozy, Wuzz Wuzz, and Pierre X-Url: http://www.nvc.cc.ca.us/~fozztexx From: "Chris Osborn" Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:09:40 PDT Reply-To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us To: MPinter@aol.com Subject: Re: New Mwave Drivers Cc: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <960726113159_164751874@emout09.mail.aol.com> References: <960726113159_164751874@emout09.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mynah 0.8ca m68k) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mynah 0.8ca m68k Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=Us-Ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit On Jul. 26 96, 08:32 PDT, MPinter@aol.com wrote: > I've downloaded the text file from the IBM Thinkpad WWW site for > installing Windows 95 on my 755CX. However, the ftp site it calls > to get the Mwave drivers has two different Mwave drivers; the one > in the documentation MW952101.EXE/MW952102.EXE, and newer ones > labeled MW95211A.EXE and MWE95211B.EXE. Are the 211 files an newer > version of Mwave? If so, with they run on the 755CX or are they > only compatible with other Thinkpads? The file 0listing.txt says that the MW95211A/B files are for the 755 and 760. After extracting them, the most recent files on either of the two floppies are dated December of '95! Why did it take IBM over 6 months to put these files onto their FTP site? I also can't seem to find what the list of bug fixes are between this and the 2.10 version. Why is IBM always so bad about documenting new drivers and the changes? And they always muck with the dates on the files, making it impossible to check the dates to see if they've updated anything. --- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Napa Valley College 707 253 3130 - Voice 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94558 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 26 17:15:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22151; Fri, 26 Jul 96 17:15:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24681; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:14:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:13:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24536; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:13:38 -0400 Received: from natsemi-bh.nsc.com (natsemi-bh.nsc.com [204.163.202.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24517; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:13:34 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by natsemi-bh.nsc.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA16574 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:14:36 -0700 Received: from voder.nsc.com by natsemi-bh.nsc.com via smap (V1.3) id sma016407; Fri Jul 26 14:14:11 1996 Received: from tirol.nsc.com by voder.nsc.com (5.61/1.34) with SMTP id AA22136 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 26 Jul 96 14:13:03 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960726210842.0067d22c@ohm.nsc.com> X-Sender: skip@ohm.nsc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:08:42 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Skip Hovsmith Subject: Misbehaving Keyboard/TrackPoint in Win95 Hi, I have a TP760C running Win95 with a DockII and an IBM SpaceSaver Keyboard with integrated Trackpoint. When I first upgraded to Win95, keyboard and mouse operations were fine with Microsoft's default Win95 drivers. Nothing lasts forever (especially in Win95), and I now find my keyboard latching up, repeating keys, flashing lights, etc. just often enough to be REALLY annoying. Has anyone else had a problem like this? I am suspicious that the enhanced parallel port or my postscript printer drivers may have something to do with it, but I cannot find any apparent I/O address conflicts. Any suggestions? Regards, Skip From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 01:08:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16574; Sat, 27 Jul 96 01:08:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26622; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 01:08:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 01:02:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26307; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 01:01:59 -0400 Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26299; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 01:01:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA05639 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 21:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 21:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson Reply-To: Annelise Anderson To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Modem for 560 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just discovered the 560 doesn't come with a modem.... I guess a PCMCIA card is the only choice (I don't want an external modem, but one for travelling). This subject has probably come up many times....the archives for this list only go through February, so my apologies. But I'd love a couple of recommendations probably for a fax/modem 28.8 card and a few hints on software I might have to download to use it. Thanks very much-- Annelise From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 05:39:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25355; Sat, 27 Jul 96 05:39:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19763; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 05:39:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 05:36:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19635; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 05:36:05 -0400 Received: from hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (HOOPLA.CS.NYU.EDU [128.122.129.127]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19629; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 05:36:02 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id FAA27312; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 05:36:34 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: news From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Newsgroups: thinkpad Subject: Re: Screen Whiteout (or: snowing in hell) Date: 27 Jul 1996 05:36:31 -0400 Organization: NYU Media Research Lab. Lines: 26 Sender: fox@hoopla.cs.nyu.edu Message-Id: References: <199607241836.DAA00731@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> Reply-To: fox@cs.nyu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: hoopla.cs.nyu.edu In-Reply-To: Jeffrey Friedl's message of Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:36:07 +0900 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 In article <199607241836.DAA00731@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> Jeffrey Friedl writes: ] I had a nasty surprise of returning to my Thinkpad that I'd left unattended ] for 10 minutes (on my desk, at home) to find the screen brilliantly white ] (note: this is different from "handsome white"). The LCD or something had ] apparenetly spazzed out. I rebooted and all seems fine. ] ] A week or so ago I saw the same thing, this time witnessing the whiteout. ] You know when you stand up too quickly and blackout, and wait for a few ] seconds and your vision slowly starts to come back, as if you're exiting a ] fuzzy tunnel? Well, the opposite happened to the screen -- over the course ] of maybe two seconds a fuzzy circle of white started off to one side and ] engulfed the whole screen. ] ] This is scary. Any ideas? Unfortunately, EasyServe service is not as fast ] as The States (I once shipped the machine from LA to Memphis to be fixed, ] and got it back THE SAME DAY). I had it into IBM Japan once and it took ] weeks. I see this occasionally on my 755CE. Also, the effect is often preceded by second long blackouts. I haven't yet done anything about it. I think its caused by letting the baby stand on the machine when the cover is closed. -- David Fox http://found.cs.nyu.edu/fox xoF divaD NYU Media Research Lab fox@cs.nyu.edu baL hcraeseR aideM UYN From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 07:25:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29853; Sat, 27 Jul 96 07:25:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24235; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:25:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:21:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24084; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:21:08 -0400 Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24077; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:21:05 -0400 Received: from mroexc2.mro.dec.com by mail13.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.2/1.0/WV) id HAA32495; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mroexc2.mro.dec.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB7B8B.9C07D450@mroexc2.mro.dec.com>; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:17:03 -0400 Message-Id: From: Gary Henry To: "'ThinkPad'" Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:17:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All: We have the need to install a Game port on 2 of our 760E's but it seems as though IBM when they made this machine said they were not putting a game port on it(one of the differences between the 760E and the ED) but in reality all they did was not put the hardware connector on the back since the system thinks there is a game port on the machine at I/O address 200-201. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to get a game port to work on the 760E? Does anyone know of a box, maybe, that will connect to a serial port, and give you game port functionality?? Its too bad really the 760E is a real nice machine but I have had it for a week now and it seems that in true IBM form they have really missed the boat on some basic functionality i.e. suspend hibernate does not work properly Gary Henry Henryg@mail.dec.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 07:48:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00226; Sat, 27 Jul 96 07:48:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25329; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:48:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:45:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25161; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:45:22 -0400 Received: from aars.mit.edu (AARS.MIT.EDU [18.79.0.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25147; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:45:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (art@localhost) by aars.mit.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA05126 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:48:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:48:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Arturo J. Morales" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Please Unsubscribe... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry to bother you all, but I've sent three messages in the last week to the list maintainer and I'm still subscribed... Please help... :) Art -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachusetts Institute of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/art From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 11:22:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12378; Sat, 27 Jul 96 11:22:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07186; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:22:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:17:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06819; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:17:00 -0400 Received: from ns.interserf.net (root@ns.interserf.net [205.244.8.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06812; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:16:54 -0400 Received: from serfer25.interserf.net (serfer25.interserf.net [205.244.8.44]) by ns.interserf.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA29481; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:15:39 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:15:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199607271515.LAA29481@ns.interserf.net> X-Sender: vicgonzlez@interserf.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Gary Henry From: Vic Gonzalez Subject: Re: Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu I have been looking into the game port "add-on" issue. Seems like the best bet is a PCMCIA gameport known as known as "QuickShot" and sold by DataVision, 1-800-771-7466 for $69, among others I'm sure. I have not purchased one yet so I can't comment on performance. A company called Colorado Spectrum used to make a serial port Game Port, but they went out of business. I found one of these and found it pretty much useless as it seems to need a special driver for each game. Even the games they had drivers for didn't seem to work though the hardware diagnostics said everything was fine. I have heard that there are others such as parallel port gameports available in the far east or Australia but I have been unable to identify a source. Hope this helps. -Vic At 07:17 AM 7/27/96 -0400, you wrote: >All: > >We have the need to install a Game port on 2 of our 760E's but it seems >as though IBM when they made this machine said they were not putting a >game port on it(one of the differences between the 760E and the ED) but >in reality all they did was not put the hardware connector on the back >since the system thinks there is a game port on the machine at I/O >address 200-201. > >Does anyone have any ideas as to how to get a game port to work on the >760E? > >Does anyone know of a box, maybe, that will connect to a serial port, >and give you game port functionality?? > >Its too bad really the 760E is a real nice machine but I have had it >for a week now and it seems that in true IBM form they have really >missed the boat on some basic functionality i.e. suspend hibernate does >not work properly > >Gary Henry >Henryg@mail.dec.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 13:10:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15914; Sat, 27 Jul 96 13:10:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13321; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:10:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:06:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13010; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:06:11 -0400 Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13004; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:06:09 -0400 Received: from mroexc2.mro.dec.com by mail13.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.2/1.0/WV) id NAA16377; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mroexc2.mro.dec.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB7BBB.DD201A30@mroexc2.mro.dec.com>; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:02:28 -0400 Message-Id: From: Gary Henry To: "'Vic Gonzalez'" Cc: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:02:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vic: Thanks for the comments I will try to look into this but I am guessing that all game port solutions will have the same probem since the 760E is using i/o address 200-201 which is the 'standard' game port adapter address. I will keep checking.... Gary ---------- From: Vic Gonzalez[SMTP:vicgonzlez@interserf.net] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 1996 11:15 AM To: Gary Henry Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: I have been looking into the game port "add-on" issue. Seems like the best bet is a PCMCIA gameport known as known as "QuickShot" and sold by DataVision, 1-800-771-7466 for $69, among others I'm sure. I have not purchased one yet so I can't comment on performance. A company called Colorado Spectrum used to make a serial port Game Port, but they went out of business. I found one of these and found it pretty much useless as it seems to need a special driver for each game. Even the games they had drivers for didn't seem to work though the hardware diagnostics said everything was fine. I have heard that there are others such as parallel port gameports available in the far east or Australia but I have been unable to identify a source. Hope this helps. -Vic At 07:17 AM 7/27/96 -0400, you wrote: >All: > >We have the need to install a Game port on 2 of our 760E's but it seems >as though IBM when they made this machine said they were not putting a >game port on it(one of the differences between the 760E and the ED) but >in reality all they did was not put the hardware connector on the back >since the system thinks there is a game port on the machine at I/O >address 200-201. > >Does anyone have any ideas as to how to get a game port to work on the >760E? > >Does anyone know of a box, maybe, that will connect to a serial port, >and give you game port functionality?? > >Its too bad really the 760E is a real nice machine but I have had it >for a week now and it seems that in true IBM form they have really >missed the boat on some basic functionality i.e. suspend hibernate does >not work properly > >Gary Henry >Henryg@mail.dec.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 13:11:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15919; Sat, 27 Jul 96 13:11:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13441; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:11:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:09:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13160; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:09:46 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13154; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:09:37 -0400 Received: from brit.netcom.com (dfw-tx10-03.ix.netcom.com [199.183.201.131]) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) with SMTP id MAA14247 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:09:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960727171447.00b37c60@psa.pencom.com> X-Sender: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:14:47 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Tait Subject: Where the hell...? Where the hell is UTTP1311.EXE on the ftp.pc.ibm.com ftpsite? It's gone! It is no longer in the pub/pccbbs/mobiles directory! Did IBM remove them? I need the PS2 program (among other things) for my TP755CX. Can anyone point me to the file or at least send me the stuff I need (PS2.EXE and PS2.MSG afaik). Thanks, /rickt -- main(v,c)char**c;{for(v[c++]="Rick Tait \n)";(!!c)[ *c]&&(v--||--c&&execlp(*c,*c,c[!!c]+!!c,!c));**c=!c)write(!!*c,*c,!!**c);} Tel: (214) 541-3777 Fax: (214) 541-8718 Beep: (800) 759-8888 Pin#249-2642 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 15:04:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20530; Sat, 27 Jul 96 15:04:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19169; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:04:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:01:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18942; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:01:43 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18935; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:01:34 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (worm-29.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.221]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13422 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960727190252.0070a4b4@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:02:52 -0700 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Modem for 560 At 09:56 PM 7/26/96 -0700, Annelise Anderson wrote: >Just discovered the 560 doesn't come with a modem.... Pretty silly these days, isn't it? >I guess a PCMCIA card is the only choice (I don't want an external >modem, but one for travelling). > >This subject has probably come up many times....the archives for >this list only go through February, so my apologies. But I'd love >a couple of recommendations probably for a fax/modem 28.8 card >and a few hints on software I might have to download to use it. I like the megahertz xjack modem, no dongle to worry about (though there are other modems with the same popout jack thing). What drivers you'll need depend on your OS. In win95 you shouldn't need anything special. _____________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.spine.com After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 15:32:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21971; Sat, 27 Jul 96 15:32:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20834; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:31:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:24:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20294; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:24:33 -0400 Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (firewall-user@ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20286; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:24:17 -0400 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id EAA17117; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 04:24:03 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma017115; Sun, 28 Jul 96 04:23:49 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id EAA04656; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 04:25:00 +0900 Received: by hamlet.wg.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-hamlet) id EAA10313; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 04:23:48 +0900 Received: by othello.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb/2.8Wb-othello) id EAA15864; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 04:23:45 +0900 From: Jeffrey Friedl Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 04:23:30 +0900 Message-Id: <199607271923.EAA01261@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> To: jesse@spine.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960727190252.0070a4b4@mailhost.hooked.net> (message from jesse montrose on Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:02:52 -0700) Subject: Re: Modem for 560 Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp jesse montrose wrote: |> I like the megahertz xjack modem, no dongle to worry about (though there |> are other modems with the same popout jack thing). I have to admit that seeing the MegaHertz xjack modem was one of the few tims in my life when I was truly dumbstruck by the ingunity of what can be made these days. It's functional, cute, and convenient. But in practical use, there's one very, very important downside. It's difficult to use it with many other PCMCIA cards that need access to the outside (such as my CD-ROM one with a cable to the drive). The telephone cord extends both above and below the xjack. It's almost impossible, for example, to use both it and my Adaptec SlimSCSI card. If I really wrench the thing, I can ``make it fit'', but this is not an optimal solution. I now use a different modem card. Jeffrey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey Friedl Omron Corp, Nagaokakyo, Kyoto 617 Japan See my Jap<->Eng dictionary at http://www.wg.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e or at mirrors at [enterprise.ic.gc.ca] and [www.itc.omron.com] From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 15:49:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23207; Sat, 27 Jul 96 15:49:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21836; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:49:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:48:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21749; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:48:09 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21742; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:48:04 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (worm-29.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.221]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18939 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960727194915.006fcbd4@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:49:15 -0700 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Modem for 560 (xjack) This is a good point, I don't use any other pc cards, so it hasn't been a problem. Worth noting also is that Megahertz has a combo modem/ethernet card... I still wish these things were built in.. I understand the reasons they're not, but it'd be nice :) At 04:23 AM 7/28/96 +0900, Jeffrey Friedl wrote: >I have to admit that seeing the MegaHertz xjack modem was one of the few >tims in my life when I was truly dumbstruck by the ingunity of what can be >made these days. It's functional, cute, and convenient. > >But in practical use, there's one very, very important downside. It's >difficult to use it with many other PCMCIA cards that need access to the >outside (such as my CD-ROM one with a cable to the drive). The telephone >cord extends both above and below the xjack. It's almost impossible, for >example, to use both it and my Adaptec SlimSCSI card. If I really wrench >the thing, I can ``make it fit'', but this is not an optimal solution. > >I now use a different modem card. _____________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.spine.com After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 16:15:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24150; Sat, 27 Jul 96 16:15:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23402; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:15:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:13:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23264; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:13:37 -0400 Received: from andrew.cais.com (andrew.cais.com [199.0.216.215]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23258; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:13:34 -0400 Received: from cais2.cais.com (cais2.cais.com [199.0.216.200]) by andrew.cais.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02329; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:13:15 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:13:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "R.J.H." To: jesse montrose Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Modem for 560 (xjack) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960727194915.006fcbd4@mailhost.hooked.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, jesse montrose wrote: > This is a good point, I don't use any other pc cards, so it hasn't been a > problem. Worth noting also is that Megahertz has a combo modem/ethernet card... > > I still wish these things were built in.. I understand the reasons they're > not, but it'd be nice :) Well I shure don't understand! It's hard to believe that the majority of PC users would opt for no modem, esp. the mobile users and even more so the sub-notebook users. > > At 04:23 AM 7/28/96 +0900, Jeffrey Friedl wrote: > >I have to admit that seeing the MegaHertz xjack modem was one of the few > >tims in my life when I was truly dumbstruck by the ingunity of what can be > >made these days. It's functional, cute, and convenient. > > > >But in practical use, there's one very, very important downside. It's > >difficult to use it with many other PCMCIA cards that need access to the > >outside (such as my CD-ROM one with a cable to the drive). The telephone > >cord extends both above and below the xjack. It's almost impossible, for > >example, to use both it and my Adaptec SlimSCSI card. If I really wrench > >the thing, I can ``make it fit'', but this is not an optimal solution. > > > >I now use a different modem card. > _____________________________________________________ > jesse montrose http://www.spine.com > After seven years, I was sent home to my family. > Little man, I give the watch to you. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 17:11:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25634; Sat, 27 Jul 96 17:11:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26992; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:11:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:09:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26776; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:09:15 -0400 Received: from smtp2.interramp.com (smtp2.interramp.com [38.8.200.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26770; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:09:12 -0400 Received: from afshc.erols.com by smtp2.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id RAA15823; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:09:09 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960727200538.006a6858@pop3.interramp.com> X-Sender: us003508@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:05:38 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: "Patrick A. Forte" Subject: Noisy Hard Disk My 701C 720 MG HD is about two months old. It has a total of 24M ram and ins running Win95. About 3 weeks ago the HD died. IBM replaced it with a new 720 HD. It was noisy to the extent that I sent it back. The 2nd replacement is also is also noisy. Is this standard? The original HD was quiet. What is everyone's experience? Are they most all noisy? Hope not. PATRICK From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 17:17:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26173; Sat, 27 Jul 96 17:17:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27489; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:17:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:15:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27363; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:15:52 -0400 Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (firewall-user@ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27354; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:15:47 -0400 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id GAA17607; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 06:15:34 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma017585; Sun, 28 Jul 96 06:15:03 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id GAA04936; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 06:16:14 +0900 Received: by hamlet.wg.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-hamlet) id GAA10422; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 06:15:02 +0900 Received: by othello.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb/2.8Wb-othello) id GAA16205; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 06:14:50 +0900 From: Jeffrey Friedl Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 06:14:28 +0900 Message-Id: <199607272114.GAA01535@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> To: rj@cais.com Cc: jesse@spine.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: (rj@cais.com) Subject: Re: Modem for 560 (xjack) Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp R J H wrote: |> > I still wish these things were built in.. I understand the reasons they're |> > not, but it'd be nice :) |> |> Well I shure don't understand! It's hard to believe that the majority of |> PC users would opt for no modem, esp. the mobile users and even more so |> the sub-notebook users. I thought the whole idea of PC cards was to get away from propriatory stuff like this? My 755CX has a built-in modem, but it's useless to me since I run Linux. Yet I've yet to find a modem card I can't just use right out of the box. Jeffrey From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 17:42:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27065; Sat, 27 Jul 96 17:42:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29086; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:42:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:41:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28968; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:41:16 -0400 Received: from tin (tin.monsanto.com [137.35.4.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28950; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:41:01 -0400 Received: from shivalr2p3.monsanto.com by tin (5.65/Monsanto1.11) id AA29588; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:40:19 -0500 Message-Id: <31FA8C98.1391@tweety.digsys.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:39:36 -0500 From: Simon Maufe Organization: Daugherty X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pcsupport@globalvillage.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: MMSYSTEM523, Faxworks 3.0/Windows95/Mwave X-Url: http://www.globalvillage.com/contacts.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm running the latest Mwave drivers under Windows 95 on a Thinkpad 755CSE. I also pulled down the latest faxworks from IBM, FWMV058 or somesuch. I have the Windows 95 bios etc. So I'm current on software. For some reason when faxing a work documents via Faxworks, I get told MCI Error, MMSYSTEM523, error during PC memory allocation. I may have the verbiage wrong, but the MMSYSTEM523 is correct. Anybody seen this and know the correction? I'll toss in a hint for people to try and create the floppies after downloading software from IBM, only be told the diskette has an error. Format the diskette from 'my computer' 'a drive' and not from DOS! Simon From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 18:27:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28903; Sat, 27 Jul 96 18:27:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02104; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 18:27:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 18:25:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01943; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 18:25:34 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01928; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 18:25:31 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_15.enteract.com (dialin_6_15.enteract.com [206.54.253.62]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id RAA07003 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:25:21 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701C-Windows 95-QuickRes PowerToy Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 22:31:18 GMT Message-Id: <31fa972d.28346160@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Anyone have this working with their 701C? I haven't crashed in Windows 95 except for when I use this app to change my display on the fly. On the usenet group comp.sys.laptops I've ecieved replies that this does work with LCD displays, so I figure it must be me or perhaps the 701. So, does someone use this successfully, and if so, what display type have you selected under display properties? I'm using the "Standard Monitor Types Laptop Display Panel". Is there an alternative for this? epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown for information about laptops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jul 27 23:58:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13696; Sat, 27 Jul 96 23:58:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18210; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:57:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:53:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17847; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:53:11 -0400 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17841; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:53:07 -0400 Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA01323 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 13:52:47 +1000 From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA05049; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 13:52:47 +1000 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 13:52:46 +1000 (EST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII does anyone actually have a Jaz *running* with a thinkpad? after taking the ethernet pcmcia card out my Jaz worked, for a while. then same problem - no devices found. experiemented with many different things, eg removing anything from config.sys and autoexec.bat that i did not really need to use. finally, i went into easy-setup (holding shift+F5 down when booting), rebooted, found i had lost my com port (easily fixed), but the Jaz was accessible again - for a number of days. then, bam ... i lost it again. did the same reinitialize without success. still no Jaz... No devices found (when card director says my new media bustoaster pcmcia scsi card is OK). Most puzzling. one of the concurrent problems i have had is with netscape (2.02). was getting some general protection faults when i tried to print. after i reinstalled my hewlett-packer drivers that problem went away. when i look at my tsr's (norton's System Info /tsr) i find Command.com loaded twice, and i also find - depending on how i boot - a couple of tsr's with no known owner. does this stuff stay in this memory after power off; if so, any way to clear out this memory and start over? other thing that has me wondering is whether it *is* a software problem. i frequently disassemble the thinkpad (from external monitor and keybd and mouse) and the jaz drive to put them away and later reassemble them. but, it does lead to a parallel line of thinking re Jaz problems - whether some connection is not being made adequately, whether crossed or looped cables lead to interference, etc. despite the fact that that's what i check first and most often. any suggestions welcomed! regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 28 00:27:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14610; Sun, 28 Jul 96 00:27:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20446; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:26:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:24:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20029; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:24:03 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20017; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:24:00 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (worm-56.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.248]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA12366 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960728042517.006a90b0@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:25:17 -0700 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: 560 in my hands I've been drooling over the 560 (I have a 755cs now) and I finally played with one at a dealer today. The screen was breathtaking, but I noticed that it was in 800x600 with 8bit color, not the 800x600 with 16bit color that I'd heard about. It was running win95, and I checked the setup.. it didn't have 16bit color as an option. Is it possible that they didn't have the proper video drivers? Or is it really only capable of 8bit color at that resolution? I'm waiting for the next round of 'pads to hit anyway, but 16bit is pretty important to me... Also, does anyone else think the 560 is a step down in physical feel? The plastic is a different, and IMHO, poorer feeling, type than the previous models. The keyboard felt a little funny, but I'd chalk that up to it's newness; however, the mouse buttons felt more than a little funny, I expect they'd just take getting used to. I'm still going to get either one of those, or whatever comes next in it's class :) _____________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.spine.com After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 28 00:27:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14615; Sun, 28 Jul 96 00:27:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20490; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:26:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:24:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20024; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:24:03 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20016; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:23:59 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (worm-56.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.248]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA12359 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960728042515.006b4eb0@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:25:15 -0700 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Modem for 560 (xjack) At 04:13 PM 7/27/96 -0400, R.J.H. wrote: >Well I shure don't understand! It's hard to believe that the majority of >PC users would opt for no modem, esp. the mobile users and even more so >the sub-notebook users. I think the biggest reason is to trim a bit off the "sticker" price, just like laptops never ship with a useful amount of ram (this is an uneducated opinion!). Someone else mentioned pcmcia as a way to avoid proprietary builtin modems, but for a "normal" modem, i.e. not a dsp modem, I'd think that would be less of an issue. Anyway, I fear the loss of builtin modems is something we'll have to live with for some time now. _____________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.spine.com After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 28 00:35:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14793; Sun, 28 Jul 96 00:35:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21175; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:35:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:34:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20950; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:34:14 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (wdunn@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20944; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:34:05 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id WAA00761; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 22:33:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 22:33:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: Alden S Klovdahl Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > does anyone actually have a Jaz *running* with a thinkpad? > I'm not sure I can help your exact situation but I have had a Jaz *running* on a 755CX. The caveat, however, was this was on a ThinkPad with OS/2 Warp Server. If a JAZ can run on that setup, it will run on nearly anything. This was with an 3COM etherlink III PCMCIA card and the JAZ running via a SCSI "Shuttle Tech" parallel-to-SCSI II cable. I know what you're thinking. The director of creative services came into my office the morning I was due to fly out and setup a temporary network in a hotel suite 2000 miles away. She showed me the JAZ drive and said "you have to get this working on the network because this is what we are going to use." No, they didn't bother asking first. That's why my configuration was so screwy. Good luck. -wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO http://www.leopard.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 28 12:16:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23629; Sun, 28 Jul 96 12:16:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07639; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:15:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:08:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06864; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:08:07 -0400 Received: from gemini.adnc.com (gemini.adnc.com [206.251.228.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06858; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:08:05 -0400 Received: from jtp.adnc.com by gemini.adnc.com (SMI-8.6/SVR4 Mailer ADN 1/96) id JAA03106; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 09:09:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199607281609.JAA03106@gemini.adnc.com> From: "Joshua Gerber" To: "epbrown" , Subject: Re: 701C-Windows 95-QuickRes PowerToy Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:47:18 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does the 701 even support multiple resolutions? I don't think it does....~j ---------- > From: epbrown > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: 701C-Windows 95-QuickRes PowerToy > Date: Saturday, July 27, 1996 3:31 PM > > Anyone have this working with their 701C? I haven't crashed in > Windows 95 except for when I use this app to change my display on the > fly. On the usenet group comp.sys.laptops I've ecieved replies that > this does work with LCD displays, so I figure it must be me or perhaps > the 701. > So, does someone use this successfully, and if so, what display > type have you selected under display properties? I'm using the > "Standard Monitor Types Laptop Display Panel". Is there an > alternative for this? > epbrown > epbrown@enteract.com > Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown > for information about laptops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 28 12:22:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23757; Sun, 28 Jul 96 12:22:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08114; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:22:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:21:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07969; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:21:26 -0400 Received: from gemini.adnc.com (gemini.adnc.com [206.251.228.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07934; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:21:22 -0400 Received: from jtp.adnc.com by gemini.adnc.com (SMI-8.6/SVR4 Mailer ADN 1/96) id JAA03100; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 09:09:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199607281609.JAA03100@gemini.adnc.com> From: "Joshua Gerber" To: "Gary Henry" , "'ThinkPad'" Subject: Re: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:42:51 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Gary Henry > To: 'ThinkPad' > Subject: > Date: Saturday, July 27, 1996 4:17 AM > Its too bad really the 760E is a real nice machine but I have had it > for a week now and it seems that in true IBM form they have really > missed the boat on some basic functionality i.e. suspend hibernate does > not work properly > > Gary Henry > Henryg@mail.dec.com I disagree...mine works beautifully, suspend, hibernate, and everything else. ~j From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 28 12:44:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24504; Sun, 28 Jul 96 12:44:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09253; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:44:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:42:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09151; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:42:43 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09144; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:42:36 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_11.enteract.com (dialin_6_11.enteract.com [206.54.253.58]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id LAA15592; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:42:26 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: "Joshua Gerber" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C-Windows 95-QuickRes PowerToy Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 16:48:25 GMT Message-Id: <31fb97d7.3554916@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199607281609.JAA03106@gemini.adnc.com> In-Reply-To: <199607281609.JAA03106@gemini.adnc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:47:18 -0700, you wrote: >Does the 701 even support multiple resolutions? > >I don't think it does....~j Actually, yes it does. The 701 C&T chipset supports 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768 (though te 2nd only supports 256 colors, and the last 16, I believe). If you're using 3.1 IBM has a nice utility for changing these on its web site; look for the Video Features diskette. But QuickRes basically changes color depth and since posting, the darn thing has started working perfectly now. If there *is* a way to get it to change screen resolution without rebooting, as well, I'd love to hear about it. Currently, the dialogue only mentions color-depth options in the bubble-box that comes up when I pass my mouse over it. Emanuel epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown for information about laptops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 28 13:27:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26237; Sun, 28 Jul 96 13:27:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11406; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 13:26:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 28 Jul 1996 13:24:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11175; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 13:24:22 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11167; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 13:24:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id NAA04274; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 13:25:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 13:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: epbrown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C-Windows 95-QuickRes PowerToy In-Reply-To: <31fb97d7.3554916@smtp.enteract.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 28 Jul 1996, epbrown wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:47:18 -0700, you wrote: > > >Does the 701 even support multiple resolutions? > > > Actually, yes it does. The 701 C&T chipset supports 640x480, > 800x600, and 1024x768 (though te 2nd only supports 256 colors, and the > last 16, I believe). If you're using 3.1 IBM has a nice utility for > changing these on its web site; look for the Video Features diskette. Not only that, it supports a different resolution on the screen than on the LCD. I discovered this while playing with the Win3.1 that came preinstalled. I started Windows at 800x600 on an external monitor. I got curious what would happen if I switched to the LCD so I did, and got a 640x480 viewport onto a virtual 800x600 desktop ("push" the mouse pointer "past" an edge to scroll the viewport around the desktop). Then I got curious what would happen if I switched to simultaneous display. 800x600 on the monitor, 640x480 viewport onto 800x600 on the LCD. Cool! :) -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 28 14:23:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28732; Sun, 28 Jul 96 14:23:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14672; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 14:23:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 28 Jul 1996 14:21:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14547; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 14:21:19 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14541; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 14:21:17 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx14-30.teleport.com [206.163.123.94]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13449 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607281821.LAA13449@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: 701 Dock >Can anyone tell me about the 701 docking stations: > >Do they work well? Are they still available? How much are/were they? >And etc. > >Tnx in advance. > >Bryan > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jul 28 17:27:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09124; Sun, 28 Jul 96 17:27:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26841; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:26:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:17:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26172; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:17:35 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26166; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:17:32 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_1.enteract.com (dialin_6_1.enteract.com [206.54.253.48]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id QAA26154 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 16:17:29 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701C-Windows95-QuickRes Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:23:27 GMT Message-Id: <31fbd73e.723530@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Just a quick thanks to Ben for his email about changing the display type under Properties to 1024x768. By using this setting, QuickRes now gives me the options of 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768 all at 256 colors, or 640x480 @ 16-bit or 24-bit colors. And QuickRes still seems to be working like a charm. Wish I knew what I did... epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central: www.enteract.com/~epbrown for information about laptops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 05:35:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08188; Mon, 29 Jul 96 05:35:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14766; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 05:35:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 05:29:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14213; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 05:29:48 -0400 Received: from pointer.netpoint.net (pointer.netpoint.net [198.69.200.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14174; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 05:29:40 -0400 Received: from mailhub.netpoint.net (dppp26.netpoint.net [198.69.200.126]) by pointer.netpoint.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA01690 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 05:21:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199607290921.FAA01690@pointer.netpoint.net> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.99f) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 05:29:29 EST From: Bill Schwartz Reply-To: Bill Schwartz Subject: Problem TP755ce Need some installation help for a TP755ce. Running one HD with OS2 with no pronlems. Because of my business have to set up another HD with windows95. Here is my problem. Installed Dos6.22 with no problem on a clean Hard Drive, then tP utilities after that began to install win3.11, changed system to APM and wideo driver to other(have disk), left keyboard alone. When I get to reg. screen second screen my trackball is frozen. Any help or ideas. Thanks Bill High Performance Cartridges Inc. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 07:43:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12140; Mon, 29 Jul 96 07:43:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21549; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:43:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:39:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21197; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:39:13 -0400 Received: from hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (HOOPLA.CS.NYU.EDU [128.122.129.127]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21189; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:39:09 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id HAA29064; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:41:13 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: news From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Newsgroups: thinkpad Subject: Re: Modem for 560 (xjack) Date: 29 Jul 1996 07:41:10 -0400 Organization: NYU Media Research Lab. Lines: 25 Sender: fox@hoopla.cs.nyu.edu Message-Id: References: <2.2.32.19960728042515.006b4eb0@mailhost.hooked.net> Reply-To: fox@cs.nyu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: hoopla.cs.nyu.edu In-Reply-To: jesse montrose's message of Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:25:15 -0700 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 In article <2.2.32.19960728042515.006b4eb0@mailhost.hooked.net> jesse montrose writes: ] At 04:13 PM 7/27/96 -0400, R.J.H. wrote: ] ]Well I shure don't understand! It's hard to believe that the majority of ] ]PC users would opt for no modem, esp. the mobile users and even more so ] ]the sub-notebook users. ] ] I think the biggest reason is to trim a bit off the "sticker" price, just ] like laptops never ship with a useful amount of ram (this is an uneducated ] opinion!). ] ] Someone else mentioned pcmcia as a way to avoid proprietary builtin modems, ] but for a "normal" modem, i.e. not a dsp modem, I'd think that would be less ] of an issue. ] ] Anyway, I fear the loss of builtin modems is something we'll have to live ] with for some time now. I prefer the PCMCIA modem - I get to choose which modem I want, and I can upgrade it later. Say what you like about notebook lifespans, but 14.4 modems were considered fast when I bought my 755CE. And if I so choose, I can use the space for something else instead. -- David Fox http://found.cs.nyu.edu/fox xoF divaD NYU Media Research Lab fox@cs.nyu.edu baL hcraeseR aideM UYN From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 07:44:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12145; Mon, 29 Jul 96 07:44:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21610; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:44:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:42:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21433; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:42:24 -0400 Received: from bnr.ca (x400gate.bnr.ca [192.58.194.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21427; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:42:21 -0400 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:42:04 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:41:55 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:41:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:41:00 -0400 X400-Originator: /dd.id=0504153/g=daniel/i=d/s=hammett/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars520.b.537:29.06.96.11.41.55] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: TP 750 Techni... From: "daniel (d.) hammett" Sender: "daniel (d.) hammett" Message-Id: <"26573 Mon Jul 29 07:41:59 1996"@bnr.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 750 Technical Question Hi Folks, I'm sure this has been asked many times before, but since I am new to this forum, I'll ask it again ... Has anybody gathered enough information together to try programming the audio sub-system on a TP750 yet? I got a copy of the Crystal CS4248 data sheet, but it is less detailed than I would like. I'm really only interested in simple stuff to start off with. Could someone point me in the right direction to any information. I suppose the next step would be to look at the ICM technical manuals for the 750, but I heard someone say that these weren't very useful. Thanks in advance for your help Regards Dan Hammett. NORTEL Northern Telecom (NITEC) Phoenix Customer Support Email: dhammett@nortel.ca ---- All my opinions are my own. ---- P.S If this message is badly formatted, blame COCOS or XRN, not me! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 07:49:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12564; Mon, 29 Jul 96 07:49:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22062; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:49:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:48:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21938; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:48:17 -0400 Received: from bnl.gov (bnl.gov [130.199.128.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21932; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:48:15 -0400 Received: from charon1.ccd.bnl.gov (charon1.ccd.bnl.gov [130.199.130.138]) by bnl.gov (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA17039 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: From AONET/WORKQUEUE by charon1.ccd.bnl.gov via Charon-4.0A-VROOM with IPX id 100.960729074739.704; 29 Jul 96 07:48:12 +0500 Message-Id: From: "Bob Rooks x7257" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:47:34 EDT Subject: TP750 Battery Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Have a TP750, purchased used a few weeks ago, with no docs and the HD bare(no TP files) with the exception of DOS..Well thanks to various members of the group I either have handtyped guides or on-line docs, files etc...Thanks to all for your help buttt now I want to go mobile and have a battery problem.....First the battery is switched to the 1 postion, I have a orange battery status light but only see the charge green light for a moment when plugging in the PS..after 36 hours still only the orange indication, the unit seems to be good for only a minutes on battery then I get the beeping warnings(and flashing ornange)...does this sound like a bad battery or a 750 charging problem, should I not see the green charge indicator all the time??? Bob Rooks Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, New York From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 07:50:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12570; Mon, 29 Jul 96 07:50:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22228; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:50:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:49:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22047; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:49:12 -0400 Received: from sgigate.sgi.com (sgigate.SGI.COM [204.94.209.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22037; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:49:07 -0400 Received: from specular.tor.aw.sgi.com by sgigate.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406a.SGI) id EAA27562; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:49:03 -0700 Received: by specular.tor.aw.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA29486; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:48:59 -0400 From: "Eugene Fiume" Message-Id: <9607290748.ZM29484@specular.tor.aw.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:48:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications "Re: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11)" (Jul 28, 12:33am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications , Alden S Klovdahl Subject: Re: using Iomega JAZ drive with thinkpad (755ce wfwg 3.11) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a Jaz drive. It runs off a BusToaster just fine using Linux. For some reason, it is not sensed when I use the BusToaster SCSI card under Windows 3.11, but fortunately it runs perfectly well under Windows using the card that came with my Panasonic KXL-320 CDROM. Weird, but since I almost never use it under Windows, it's not enough of a hassle to figure it out. Stranger still, the BusToaster drives the CDROM just fine under Windows... PC cards were supposed to make life easier, no? Eugene. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 09:41:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16136; Mon, 29 Jul 96 09:41:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02034; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:41:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:37:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01603; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:37:27 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01596; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:37:23 -0400 Received: from hyper (dwhite@hyper.shadow.net [204.177.71.251]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14172; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:36:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside X-Sender: dwhite@hyper To: Bob Rooks x7257 Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP750 Battery In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Bob Rooks x7257 wrote: > have a battery problem.....First the battery is > switched to the 1 postion, I have a orange > battery status light but only see the charge > green light for a moment when plugging in the > PS..after 36 hours still only the orange > indication, the unit seems to be good for only a > minutes on battery then I get the beeping > warnings(and flashing ornange)...does this sound like a bad battery or > a 750 charging problem, should I not see the > green charge indicator all the time??? This is consistent with the problem I have had with my TP750 and batteries that are 2yrs old (1 yr use each). The 750 (dunno about the other models) would power cycle the batteries in the top 10% over and over again if you used it with the AC adaptor and the batt in by letting the battery wear down to the 90% mark and then charging it again. Unsuprisingly, it destroys the battery. I bought a quick charger/conditioner with the hope that it could deal with this problem, but they appear to be toast. Some people have reported success in getting IBM to replace them since it's a fault in the charging mechanism, not the batt. There are third party battery sources that you can buy a 750 batt for about, oh, $120 or so. The only oneline one I know off the top of my head is www.warrior.com. They don't seem to have prices online, though. Oh, by the way - I see they have 2.1G slimheight drives apparently with caddy for $950. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 10:04:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17279; Mon, 29 Jul 96 10:04:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03974; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:04:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:02:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03739; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:02:23 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03727; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:02:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id KAA06176; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:03:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:03:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Don Whiteside Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP750 Battery In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Don Whiteside wrote: > This is consistent with the problem I have had with my TP750 and > batteries that are 2yrs old (1 yr use each). The 750 (dunno about the > other models) would power cycle the batteries in the top 10% over and over > again if you used it with the AC adaptor and the batt in by letting the > battery wear down to the 90% mark and then charging it again. > Unsuprisingly, it destroys the battery. > > I bought a quick charger/conditioner with the hope that it could deal > with this problem, but they appear to be toast. Some people have reported > success in getting IBM to replace them since it's a fault in the charging > mechanism, not the batt. I have not yet been able to get IBM to admit this is a problem. I've explained my experience (3 batteries killed this way) and the mailing list's experience to tech support, and they've always denied the charging cycles cause the problem. Fortunately they replaced the first two batteries w/o hassle. The third time I tried was just last month. The rep pointed out the battery only had a 1 year warranty (which was a surprise to me since the first two were replaced well into the second year of warranty). I read through the warranty info and he was right. I probably should've worked harder to convince him the charge cycle killed the battery, but I had an extra and I didn't feel like wasting time arguing the matter. If you're leaving your battery in all the time while your 750 is on AC, and you're past the first year of warranty, be careful! Run the battery down every week or so. That seems to help. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 10:07:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17409; Mon, 29 Jul 96 10:07:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04330; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:07:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:06:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04192; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:06:11 -0400 Received: from icicle.winternet.com (root@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04184; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:06:09 -0400 Received: from icicle.winternet.com (ppp-66-31.dialup.winternet.com [204.246.66.31]) by icicle.winternet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA04577 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:06:05 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:06:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960729140624.006d6c44@198.174.169.5> X-Sender: howarde@198.174.169.5 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:06:24 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Howard Ekman Subject: hard drive caddies for TP750 Does anyone know of a source for the plastic removable hard drive caddies that are used in the TP750 series? Sources other than IBM would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Howard Ekman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ preferred : howarde@winternet.com (Terrapin Data Systems) physically : Minneapolis, MN, USA (voice:612/623-1156) spiritually : Todos Santos, Baja California Sur, Mexico From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 10:22:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18202; Mon, 29 Jul 96 10:22:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05814; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:21:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:19:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05370; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:18:56 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05359; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:18:52 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09705; Mon, 29 Jul 96 10:15:46 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 10:15:46 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607291415.AA09705@nile.gnat.com> To: dwhite@shadow.net, jokim@mit.edu Subject: Re: TP750 Battery Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "> This is consistent with the problem I have had with my TP750 and > batteries that are 2yrs old (1 yr use each). The 750 (dunno about the > other models) would power cycle the batteries in the top 10% over and over > again if you used it with the AC adaptor and the batt in by letting the > battery wear down to the 90% mark and then charging it again. > Unsuprisingly, it destroys the battery." Of course a battery such as this in heavy use does not last long anyway. Batteries are only guaranteed for a year, and that is because you cannot expect them to last longer if you use them heavily. The charge cycle quite likely decreases battery life, but for many people it is important to be sure that the battery is fully charged when they have been using the machine, even if this costs battery life, so this is a quite deliberate decision by IBM, not an error. If you are concerned about prolonging battery life, then you should not store the battery in your machine while you are using it (I am a little curious as to why you *do* store the battery in your machine if you know it is troublesome, and have already destroyed batteries this way). Basically only Lithium-Ion batteries can be handled without worrying much about this sort of thing. Otherwise do NOT store a battery inside your machine if you want maximum life. So I don't see the 90% charge as destroying the battery, I see it as normal use -- i.e. what is necessary to keep the battery charged and ready to go at a moment's notice, which is what many users want. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 11:07:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20247; Mon, 29 Jul 96 11:07:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09465; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:05:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:02:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09077; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:02:16 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (wdunn@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09046; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:01:54 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id JAA11422; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:01:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:01:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: Bill Schwartz Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Problem TP755ce In-Reply-To: <199607290921.FAA01690@pointer.netpoint.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have had this same problem with the 755CD/CE/CV type machines. I think what you are mentioning is that during installation, should you even strongly consider moving the trackpoint, everything freezes--including the keyboard--so one must power off and start the installation over. I have no idea why it does this. I do know that if you use the keyboard only to navigate the installation, once you have rebooted after the installation is complete, there will be no problem with the trackpoint. Just remember not to use the trackpoint or even brush it as this will cause the install to freeze and you will have to do it again. Good luck. wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO http://www.leopard.com On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Bill Schwartz wrote: > Need some installation help for a TP755ce. Running one HD > with OS2 with no pronlems. Because of my business have to > set up another HD with windows95. Here is my problem. > Installed Dos6.22 with no problem on a clean Hard Drive, > then tP utilities after that began to install win3.11, > changed system to APM and wideo driver to other(have > disk), left keyboard alone. When I get to reg. screen > second screen my trackball is frozen. Any help or ideas. > Thanks > > Bill > > High Performance Cartridges Inc. > PO BOX 545890 > Surfside, Fl. 33154 > PH:(305)868-8430 FAX:(305)864-7367 > URL:http://www.netpoint.net/hpcart/hpcart.html > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 11:36:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21655; Mon, 29 Jul 96 11:36:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12360; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:36:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:32:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11922; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:32:10 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11916; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:32:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id LAA06358; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:33:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:33:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Robert Dewar Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP750 Battery In-Reply-To: <9607291415.AA09705@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > If you are concerned about prolonging battery life, then you should not > store the battery in your machine while you are using it (I am a little > curious as to why you *do* store the battery in your machine if you > know it is troublesome, and have already destroyed batteries this way). You're looking at this with 20/20 hindsight, Robert. Battery #1 died. I chalked it up to age at the time. Battery #2 died, and that's when I began to suspect it was the charge cycle killing it (things were fine until I started leaving my computer on all the time). Since IBM was replacing these things w/o question, I used battery #3 to test if the charge cycle really was killing it. I left it in for a little over a month. It died. I called IBM, and the rep pointed out the warranty was only 1 year. Another reason to keep the battery in is as a UPS. Not very important if you're using DOS/Win, but very nice if you're running OS/2, Unix, NT. > Basically only Lithium-Ion batteries can be handled without worrying > much about this sort of thing. Otherwise do NOT store a battery inside > your machine if you want maximum life. I have not been had any problems with leaving my 701's NiMH batteries in all the time. It's been there for over 5 months now, and still runs the pad for about 3 hours. The 701 does not do this 90% recharge thing. (Then again, the 701's batteries seem to hold their charge on shelf much longer than the 750's batteries.) > So I don't see the 90% charge as destroying the battery, I see it as normal > use -- i.e. what is necessary to keep the battery charged and ready to go > at a moment's notice, which is what many users want. If it's "normal" use, why does fully discharging it once a week help extend the life? (Battery #2 lasted about 3 months because I took the machine on the road every week or two. Battery #3 sat in the 750 for about 5 weeks without a full discharge, and promptly died. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 11:57:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22534; Mon, 29 Jul 96 11:57:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14702; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:57:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:55:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14341; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:55:30 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14326; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:55:27 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA07322; Mon, 29 Jul 96 11:52:12 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 11:52:12 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607291552.AA07322@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, jokim@mit.edu Subject: Re: TP750 Battery Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu OK, understood (John's post on batteries). It sure seems like NiCad batteries are marginal technology. I must say that after my experiences with batteries, i would not consider anything other than Li-Ion batteries at this stage, they are *such* an improvement from all points of view! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 12:30:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24015; Mon, 29 Jul 96 12:30:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17784; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:30:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:25:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17324; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:25:10 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17282; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:24:59 -0400 Received: from taitr.acona.com (dfw-tx11-24.ix.netcom.com [199.183.201.184]) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) with SMTP id LAA23190; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:24:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960729162958.0067a244@204.217.199.13> X-Sender: rickt@204.217.199.13 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:29:58 -0500 To: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications From: Rick Tait Subject: Re: Problem TP755ce Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Doesn't upgrading the BIOS (system program) fix this problem? /rickt At 09:01 AM 7/29/96 -0600, you wrote: >I have had this same problem with the 755CD/CE/CV type machines. I think >what you are mentioning is that during installation, should you even >strongly consider moving the trackpoint, everything freezes--including >the keyboard--so one must power off and start the installation over. > >I have no idea why it does this. > >I do know that if you use the keyboard only to navigate the installation, >once you have rebooted after the installation is complete, there will be >no problem with the trackpoint. > >Just remember not to use the trackpoint or even brush it as this will >cause the install to freeze and you will have to do it again. > >Good luck. > >wwd ___ ___ ____ __ | _ \/ __/| \ Email: rickt@pencom.com 1965 289ci 4v Rangoon Red Fastback | _/\__ \| \ \ Work: (214) 541-3777 Pager: (800) 759-8888 #249-2642 |_| /___/|_|__\ ______________________________________________________________ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 12:56:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25026; Mon, 29 Jul 96 12:56:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19883; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:56:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:53:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19580; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:53:55 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19573; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:53:50 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id JAA14938 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:52:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199607291652.JAA14938@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: TP 750 Technical Question (fwd) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:52:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Has anybody gathered enough information together to > try programming the audio sub-system on a TP750 yet? > I got a copy of the Crystal CS4248 data sheet, but it > is less detailed than I would like. I'm really only > interested in simple stuff to start off with. there is a note on the Linux/Thinkpad page: http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html ... regarding an engineer at IBM who has it working under linux. if you could get his source code you might be able to work from there for other operating systems. (you'd have to be a device hacker, of course.) -mykle- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 15:27:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05873; Mon, 29 Jul 96 15:27:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02242; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:26:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:25:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01965; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:25:17 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01952; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:25:14 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA25561; Mon, 29 Jul 96 15:18:41 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 15:18:41 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607291918.AA25561@nile.gnat.com> To: dwhite@shadow.net, ecottrell@doble.com, jokim@mit.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: question Cc: dewar@gnat.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu absolutely, old notebooks are very inexpensive, we had this discussion a week ago regarding used prices for thinkpads. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 15:27:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05874; Mon, 29 Jul 96 15:27:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02232; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:26:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:21:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01545; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:21:24 -0400 Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01490; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:21:03 -0400 From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 1fd0ebf0; Mon, 29 Jul 96 15:19:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:15:48 -0400 Message-Id: <1fd0ebf0@doblegate.doble.com> Subject: Re[2]: question To: dwhite@shadow.net, "John H. Kim" Cc: Robert Dewar , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hello, It seems non-pentium notebooks are cheap these days. I got a NCR active matrix color (i.e. expensive color screen) for $700 as a demo and saw unused in the box for $950. I grabbed it because 486SL/33 is fast enough for my use and the active color looks great (just two bad pixels). 73 Eric ericc@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 17:34:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11024; Mon, 29 Jul 96 17:34:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14049; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:33:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:20:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12967; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:20:45 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12954; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:20:42 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24887; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25800; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:21:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:21:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: "John H. Kim" Cc: Don Whiteside , Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP750 Battery In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've found that the easyserv repair dep't will very often replace things that the tech support people at the 800 number say they will not replace. So if you're sending in your thinkpad on an easyserv to repair a keyboard or something like that. It's a good idea to leave a note in the box with the computer with the battery stating that itdoesn't accept a charge anymore. Once I was trying to get IBM to replace my screen which had cracked diagonally down the middle. (don't ask how it happened - i was very careless). Anyway I finally convinced the 800 people that they take in the computer to have a look at it and they would only fix it if they could see that it was not my fault. The guy on the phone sounded like there would be no chance they would fix it. What happened: I got the thinkpad back two days later with a new screen! I'm pretty sure that the easyserv people just fixed it anyway even though it didn't fit in their warranty guidelines. Josh Hosseinof hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 17:54:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12366; Mon, 29 Jul 96 17:54:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15864; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:54:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:50:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15327; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:50:05 -0400 Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15295; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:49:59 -0400 Received: (from ping@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA24170 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:50:24 -0700 From: Ping Mai Message-Id: <199607292150.OAA24170@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: hard drive case for thinkpad 701 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:50:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i just found a company that will sell hard drive cases for thinkpads. the 701 model will cost ~$50, and it will avail begining of september. the company's name is "ps solutions" and their number is 214-980-2632. i got their number from sigma data. does anybody know another source for hd case for the 701? as i understand, the thinkpad will take standard 2.5" eide drive. is that true? does anybody know if the 701 supports eide or just plain old ide? a 810mb 2.5" eide drive goes for ~$180 in local stores here. adding up the cost of the case is ~$230. that's still way better than sigma's price of ~$625 for a 710m, or ibm's price of ~$800+ ping From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 18:06:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12844; Mon, 29 Jul 96 18:06:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17195; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:06:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:05:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16957; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:05:12 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16943; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:05:10 -0400 Received: from ([158.185.126.12]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA00372; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:04:40 -0700 Message-Id: <31FD3624.50A3@conic.lmco.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:07:32 -0700 From: Tom Franklin Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instrumentation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ping Mai Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: hard drive case for thinkpad 701 References: <199607292150.OAA24170@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ping Mai wrote: > a 810mb 2.5" eide drive goes for ~$180 in local stores here. Are you sure that is a 12.5mm thick drive? The TP701 and TP760 require a 12.5mm thick drive, the older TP75X machines can accept a 17mm thick drive. Please follow up with prices. Thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 18:41:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14105; Mon, 29 Jul 96 18:41:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20019; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:41:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:39:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19666; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:39:10 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19648; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:39:02 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia-20.shadow.net [204.177.71.20]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06398; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960729223824.006dacfc@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:38:24 -0400 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar), dwhite@anshar.shadow.net, jokim@mit.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: TP750 Battery Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:15 AM 7/29/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >The charge cycle quite likely decreases battery life, but for many people >it is important to be sure that the battery is fully charged when they >have been using the machine, even if this costs battery life, so this is >a quite deliberate decision by IBM, not an error. No, it's an error. Many other devices using identical battery technology utilize a trickle charge to maintain a charge once it's fully recharged. The flaw in the 750 (and possibly other later models) is that they charge and then TOTALLY STOP CHARGING, allowing the battery to gradually drop down to aprox 90%, then charge it up again. Nobody is suggesting that the charging system NOT charge the battery. >If you are concerned about prolonging battery life, then you should not >store the battery in your machine while you are using it (I am a little >curious as to why you *do* store the battery in your machine if you >know it is troublesome, and have already destroyed batteries this way). While I concur that this is the way to deal with this problem, it's totally idiotic that I should have to remove the battery to prevent IBM's shoddy engineering from costing me $150. My $200 cell phone and $200 car mount has more intelligent technology in it. Also, leaving the battery in prevents brief power flickers from rebooting my machine, a real concern here in Florida during the storm season. Donald Alan Whiteside, who will vote for Dick Lamm if he'll give me his daughter Heather's phone number. (Smart, cute AND socially conscious - woohoo!) "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 18:41:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14106; Mon, 29 Jul 96 18:41:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20015; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:41:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:39:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19647; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:39:01 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19640; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:38:57 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia-20.shadow.net [204.177.71.20]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06411; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960729223826.006b0db0@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:38:26 -0400 To: Ping Mai , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: hard drive case for thinkpad 701 At 02:50 PM 7/29/96 -0700, Ping Mai wrote: >as i understand, the thinkpad will take standard 2.5" eide >drive. is that true? Can't speak for the other models, but the 750 case won't hold a 19mm drive w/o modification (ie cutting holes in it, which I did back in the days when the difference in price between a 19mm and 12.7mm drive were a lot larger than now). The case for a 750 will take a 17mm, tops. >a 810mb 2.5" eide drive goes for ~$180 in local stores here. That's an astonishing price. Not to be overly skeptical, but are you sure that's not a 3.5? Donald Alan Whiteside, who will vote for Dick Lamm if he'll give me his daughter Heather's phone number. (Smart, cute AND socially conscious - woohoo!) "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 21:18:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20811; Mon, 29 Jul 96 21:18:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28245; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:18:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:14:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27852; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:14:29 -0400 Received: from mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (crater.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [128.196.206.228]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27846; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:14:26 -0400 Received: from cobra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (cobra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.21]) by mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA01637; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:06:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by cobra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.7.5/8.7.1) id SAA08795; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:10:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:10:35 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199607300110.SAA08795@cobra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Problem TP755ce Cc: bill@netpoint.net X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sorry about posting to the list but my mailer didn't like the return address (bill@netpoint.net) when I tried that; the email got returned. At 05:29 AM 7/29/96 EST, you wrote: >Need some installation help for a TP755ce. Running one HD >with OS2 with no pronlems. Because of my business have to >set up another HD with windows95. Here is my problem. >Installed Dos6.22 with no problem on a clean Hard Drive, >then tP utilities after that began to install win3.11, >changed system to APM and wideo driver to other(have >disk), left keyboard alone. When I get to reg. screen >second screen my trackball is frozen. Any help or ideas. I installed win95 on a 755CX various times. The only way I could get it reliable was to start with a clean HD (nothing on it). Make sure you have the current BIOS for your TP. Build a boot floppy with whatever drivers you need (CD, etc). Run fdisk and format the HD. Boot from floppy. Install Win95 from CD at DOS prompt. Then install utilities and Mwave. That worked and seemed to be stable. The previous 2 times with DOS on HD with drivers for CD and DOS MWave never did work right (even after I removed the DOS drivers and switched to 32-bit PCMCIA). What a pain. >Thanks > >Bill > >High Performance Cartridges Inc. >PO BOX 545890 >Surfside, Fl. 33154 >PH:(305)868-8430 FAX:(305)864-7367 >URL:http://www.netpoint.net/hpcart/hpcart.html > > Good luck, Stuart Stuart F. Biggar Remote Sensing Group Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Phone: 520-621-8168 Fax: 520-621-8292 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jul 29 21:41:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21780; Mon, 29 Jul 96 21:41:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00229; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:41:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:39:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29829; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:39:26 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29794; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:39:22 -0400 Received: from mol-il2-11.ix.netcom.com (oam@mol-il2-11.ix.netcom.com [205.184.148.75]) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA25145 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:38:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199607300138.SAA25145@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Carmody" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:36:52 +0000 Subject: 760ED/Windows95 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) I've been getting acquainted with an IBM 760ED this past week and must say, the results are truely delightful! This latest Thinkpad release is really the greatest! Its so enjoyable to sit back in my easy chair, with music playing in the CD-Rom port, the phone line hooked to the Internet at 26,400 baud rate, and the 133 MHz Pentium chip slicing those web pages like warm butter! Can computing possibly get better? I do have a question for someone more experienced with IBM's software distribution mechanism. I've backed up the Windows 95 operating system, as well as each of the driver sets mentioned in the User's Guide. My problem is to determine the VERSION NUMBER of the various driver sets, and how to find out when new versions are published. Has anyone figured that one out? Thanks, -- John Carmody E-mail: oam@ix.netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 01:27:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00230; Tue, 30 Jul 96 01:27:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14563; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:27:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:22:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14269; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:22:15 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14263; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:22:05 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu (actually nscs21p9.remote.umass.edu) by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 07:21:30 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960730052132.0066e0f4@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:21:32 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: HD upgrade TP701 hi there, the recent thread and the latest advertisements quoting 800MB 2,5" 12mm HDs under $300. (e.g. in the latest Computer Shopper pg. 494: Drive Outlet Center at 1-800-260-5944 the Toshiba 814MB for $239... anything cheaper, comments?) are really leading me into temptation... and had me taking apart my 701 to see how easy it would be. the built in 360MB drive is, of course, in the IBM-caddy. i'm not sure if i want to get a new caddy right away, even if it should be available, so i would have to re-use the one i have. the caddy's connector is connected to the actual hard-drive by one of those flexible metal-plated plastic foils, and apparently a connector to plug into the drive. however, it appears that the plastic foil around the drive would interfere with removing this without at least marginal damage to the drive's wrapper. could someone who has re-used the IBM-caddy on a non-IBM drive report on the mechanical side of swapping drives? is it something you would want to do more than once? how do you tweak those miniature torx-screws? desperately running out of space, axel p.s.: i'm working on the 701-modem-digest... still taking any suggestions... ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 07:47:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16584; Tue, 30 Jul 96 07:47:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21434; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 07:47:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 07:41:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21050; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 07:41:53 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21042; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 07:41:49 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id HAA09927; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 07:37:05 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA8698; Tue, 30 Jul 96 07:35:34 -0700 Message-Id: <9607301435.AA8698@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 6940142E93849B8085256377003F78E0; Tue, 30 Jul 96 07:35:32 EDT To: Joshua Hosseinof Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 30 Jul 96 7:36:49 EDT Subject: Re: TP750 Battery X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...there would be no chance they would fix it. What happened: I got the thinkpad back two days later with a new screen! I'm pretty sure that the easyserv people just fixed it anyway even though it didn't fit in their warranty guidelines...." ~~~~~ i've seen this, too. on two occasions, i sent thinkpads in with cracked screens. both times, it was totally our fault that they were cracked and i was asking *only* for a repair estimate to give to the insurance company. both times, easy serv replaced the screens without charging me. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 09:41:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21234; Tue, 30 Jul 96 09:41:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01923; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:40:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:37:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01371; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:37:25 -0400 Received: from ingr.ingr.com (ingr.ingr.com [129.135.211.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01359; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:37:22 -0400 Received: from hq14.pcmail.ingr.com by ingr.ingr.com (5.65c/1.920611) id AA14672; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:36:38 -0500 Received: by hq14.pcmail.ingr.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB7DF2.34F09400@hq14.pcmail.ingr.com>; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:36:30 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Russell, Mark S" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Oh Sh#% I dropped my ThinkPad! Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:36:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 31 TEXT I just dropped my newly acquired TP760C. It works fine, but a chunk (about 3x.5") of the front lower right corner cracked and broke off. Now the thing won't latch shut since the piece that broke is the part containing the latch. As I sit feeling like dirt for being so stupid to drop it (I forgot to zip the bag), I am trying to decide how to put this thing back together and I was wondering if anyone on the list had tried to do this before. I have a few questions: 1. Has anyone ever glued a TP case back together? If so, what is the best kind of glue to use? 2. Has anybody ever replaced the base case on a TP? I assume this must cost at least an arm & probably a leg too. 3. I also noticed a crack around the mouse port. Should I try to glue it as well? Any help (or even a crying towel) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark Mark Russell Intergraph Corp. msrussel@ingr.com (205) 730-7233 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 09:59:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21917; Tue, 30 Jul 96 09:59:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03808; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:59:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:56:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03519; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:56:29 -0400 Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03510; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:56:25 -0400 Received: from quantime.nl by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA04006 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:55:58 +0200 Received: from mann by quantime.nl; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:03:23 +0100 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960730145425.0143242c@mirko.quantime.nl> X-Sender: ajuddp@mirko.quantime.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:54:25 +0100 To: "Russell, Mark S" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Alex Judd Subject: Re: Oh Sh#% I dropped my ThinkPad! Know the feeling. I dropped mine from about 5 foot on to the tarmac and did much the same kind of damage (stupid Targa shoulder strap broke at the join.... be warned). I tried gluing the case together, but its a strange material (?) coated in what is almost a Hamerite like black plastic paint so it wasn't that easy. Best thing I did was to get some sort of plastic/metal glue which allows a bit of movement (super glue is out) and remove some of the case paint so that you get clean edges. This worked fine for a few weeks, but my company sent it off to be replaced. The replacement was for the front case part, a new floppy drive (mine bit the dust too when dropped - aaaahhh) and to repair the latch on the CD that would now pop open at any instant. Total cost was about =A3600 (English Pounds) for the case and floppy and would have been another =A3200= apparently to fix the CD latch (?????!!!!), so I swapped it for another one lying= around. I know how you feel. My deepest sympathies! Alex At 08:36 AM 7/30/96 -0500, Russell, Mark S wrote: >I just dropped my newly acquired TP760C. It works fine, but a chunk >(about 3x.5") of the front lower right corner cracked and broke off. Now >the thing won't latch shut since the piece that broke is the part >containing the latch. > >As I sit feeling like dirt for being so stupid to drop it (I forgot to >zip the bag), I am trying to decide how to put this thing back together >and I was wondering if anyone on the list had tried to do this before. I >have a few questions: > >1. Has anyone ever glued a TP case back together? If so, what is the >best kind of glue to use? > >2. Has anybody ever replaced the base case on a TP? I assume this must >cost at least an arm & probably a leg too. > >3. I also noticed a crack around the mouse port. Should I try to glue it >as well? > >Any help (or even a crying towel) would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Mark > > > >Mark Russell >Intergraph Corp. >msrussel@ingr.com >(205) 730-7233 > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 10:33:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23243; Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:33:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07506; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:33:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:32:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07393; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:32:19 -0400 Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (firewall-user@ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07351; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:32:05 -0400 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id XAA28694; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:31:53 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma028685; Tue, 30 Jul 96 23:31:45 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id XAA01000; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:32:56 +0900 Received: by hamlet.wg.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-hamlet) id XAA28251; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:31:44 +0900 Received: by othello.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb/2.8Wb-othello) id XAA01954; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:31:41 +0900 From: Jeffrey Friedl Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:31:27 +0900 Message-Id: <199607301431.XAA00395@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> To: msrussel@ingr.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: (msrussel@ingr.com) Subject: Re: Oh Sh#% I dropped my ThinkPad! Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp Russell, Mark S wrote: |> As I sit feeling like dirt for being so stupid to drop it (I forgot to |> zip the bag), Been there-done that. Went flying down the steps of the subway. It was really quite beautiful, like a shower of black fireworks. Sure could have used a broom to help pick it up. At least it still works for you. One thought, that I hope others on the list will comment on. Maybe best to send to IBM ``for review''. This way they can note what is and isn't wrong with it, so that if something happens to it that's not your fault, they can't say ``must have happened when you dropped it''. You would probably have to pay a couple-$100 for this, but the insurance might be worth it. |> 2. Has anybody ever replaced the base case on a TP? I assume this must |> cost at least an arm & probably a leg too. When I had mine fixed, they redid the base, the whole screen, and some of the internal parts. Whole thing was $2700, over half of which was the screen. Jeffrey From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 10:32:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23241; Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:32:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07415; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:32:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:29:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06931; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:29:45 -0400 Received: from franklin.cris.com (franklin.cris.com [199.3.12.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06915; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:29:20 -0400 Received: from darius.cris.com (darius [199.3.12.32]) by franklin.cris.com (8.7.5/(96/06/11 2.45)) id KAA12605; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:28:29 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from thinkpad-755cx (cnc13735.concentric.net [199.3.117.169]) by darius.cris.com (8.7.5) id KAA25188; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607301428.KAA25188@darius.cris.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:40:13 +0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Oh Sh#% I dropped my ThinkPad! Reply-To: phong@cris.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Although I didn't drop my Thinkpad, a piece on the edge of the keyboard cracked off, right between the cursor keys and the right mouse button. While it was a small piece, it was annoying as it dug into my hand whenever I tried to use the mouse. So I experimented with different glues and I have to agree that Crazy Glue isn't a good one to use. It does not allow the flexible casing of the Thinkpad to bend and therefore it just breaks off again. Some type of epoxy might be better but I haven't had much time to look into this yet. As for the other person's comment about TARGUS's cases.... IT'S TRUE! About a year ago, my Targus bag just fell off my shoulder. When I looked closer, it was the metal snap latches that cracked. I told Targus about this and they sent me new plastic ones... so far so good. But the biggest problem I have is that they knew about the faulty latches and didn't do a thing about it. I wonder how many people can afford to have their cases come crashing down onto pavement or worse, roll down into water, etc. > As I sit feeling like dirt for being so stupid to drop it (I forgot to > zip the bag), I am trying to decide how to put this thing back together > and I was wondering if anyone on the list had tried to do this before. I > have a few questions: > > 1. Has anyone ever glued a TP case back together? If so, what is the > best kind of glue to use? > > 2. Has anybody ever replaced the base case on a TP? I assume this must > cost at least an arm & probably a leg too. > > 3. I also noticed a crack around the mouse port. Should I try to glue it > as well? > > Any help (or even a crying towel) would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Mark > > > > Mark Russell > Intergraph Corp. > msrussel@ingr.com > (205) 730-7233 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. phong@concentric.net (613) 769-1544 Tel phong@connectinc.com (613) 728-4063 Fax From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 11:27:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25552; Tue, 30 Jul 96 11:27:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04229; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:00:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:58:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03750; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:58:47 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03735; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:58:43 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA08274; Tue, 30 Jul 96 09:55:33 EDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 09:55:33 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607301355.AA08274@nile.gnat.com> To: msrussel@ingr.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Oh Sh#% I dropped my ThinkPad! I would be very reluctant to glue stuff, since that will almost certainly invalidate your guarantee. Why not send it along to Ezyserve, and the worst they can do is to give you an unacceptable estimate, the best they can do is fix it free. It's worth a try. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 11:53:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26669; Tue, 30 Jul 96 11:53:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14063; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:48:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:44:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13645; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:44:31 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13638; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:44:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id LAA09504; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:45:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:45:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: "Russell, Mark S" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Oh Sh#% I dropped my ThinkPad! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Russell, Mark S wrote: > 1. Has anyone ever glued a TP case back together? If so, what is the > best kind of glue to use? I used a little epoxy on a crack in my lid. Spread the crack apart, put a dab of epoxy in, closed the crack, wiped it clean, let it set. It seems to be holding up pretty well. I would've liked to have used black epoxy, but it's still almost invisible. I doubt the latches are exactly high-stress parts (unless you drop the computer again :), so epoxy should be good enough. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 12:12:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27379; Tue, 30 Jul 96 12:12:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16232; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:10:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:08:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16045; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:08:32 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16035; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:08:26 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:12:02 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960730151200.0068cd90@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:12:00 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: Auto Reply from Watch_Mail is everyone submitting to the list getting automated answers from jim? looks like one badly configured mail-bot... responding to mailing-list mails... or is it a joke on me? i don't get it, then. waiting for the auto reply to this post... axel At 01:00 30.07.96 -0600, you wrote: >Greetings, > >Thanks for your recent mail message. However, I am temporarily unable to >respond. I am out of the office on business, but hope to have reasonable >access to my email while I am gone. I will respond to your message as >soon as I am able to do so. > >I anticipate being back in the office on Monday, 5 August, 1996. > >If you need to speak to someone before that date about ANSI or ISO SQL >standardization, please contact Don Deutsch by email at >"deutsch@sybase.com", or by telephone at +1.301.897.1639 (Note: Don may >also be unavailable). > >If you need to speak to someone before that date about technical details >of SQL (including SQL-92, SQL3, object-oriented features of SQL, SQL/CLI, >SQL/PSM, and SQL/Temporal), you might try to contact Andrew Eisenberg by >email at "andrew.eisenberg@sybase.com" or by telephone at +1.617.564.7917; >or you might try to contact Ames Carlson by email at "ames@sybase.com" or >by telephone at +1.510.922.0910. (Note: it is possible that neither of >these persons are available.) > >If you need to speak to someone before that date about X/Open SQL Access >Group (XSQL) SQL activities, you're probably out of luck. You might try >Don Deutsch by email at "deutsch@sybase.com", or by telephone at >+1.301.897.1639 (Note: Don may also be unavailable). > >Thanks, > Jim >* - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * > >Jim Melton Work Telephone: +1.801.942.0144 >Sybase, Inc. Fax: +1.801.942.3345 (by arrangement only) >1930 Viscounti Dr. Internet: jim.melton@sybase.com >Sandy, UT 84093 X/Open Email: j.melton@xopen.co.uk >USA > >* - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * >* * >* Facts are facts. Any opinions expressed are mine alone and do not * >* necessarily reflect the opinions of my employer nor anybody else * >* with whom I may or may not have discussed the subject at hand. * >* * >* - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * > > ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 12:17:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27738; Tue, 30 Jul 96 12:17:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16721; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:13:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:11:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16459; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:11:51 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16453; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:11:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id MAA09570; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:12:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Robert Dewar Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Oh Sh#% I dropped my ThinkPad! In-Reply-To: <9607301355.AA08274@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > I would be very reluctant to glue stuff, since that will almost certainly > invalidate your guarantee. Why not send it along to Ezyserve, and the worst > they can do is to give you an unacceptable estimate, the best they can do > is fix it free. It's worth a try. The estimate for my 701 cost $170 for EasyServ shipping and labor. They told me I had to pay this to get my computer back, whether or not I had it fixed. When I was in a similar situation a couple months back, several people suggested I take it to an authorized IBM repair center and ask them to fix it. If they refuse to fix it under warranty, it should cost much less than an EasyServ estimate. And it still might get fixed. Epoxying the case will not change the warranty situation. You dropped the computer so the warranty is already void. (Also, my understanding is that you do not void the warranty on the entire computer, just the parts that are damaged.) -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 14:26:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07596; Tue, 30 Jul 96 14:26:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27447; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:22:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:16:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26921; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:16:38 -0400 Received: from gemini.adnc.com (gemini.adnc.com [206.251.228.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26913; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:16:34 -0400 Received: from jtp.adnc.com by gemini.adnc.com (SMI-8.6/SVR4 Mailer ADN 1/96) id LAA29908; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:17:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199607301817.LAA29908@gemini.adnc.com> From: "Joshua Gerber" To: , "Axel Hartmann" Subject: Re: HD upgrade TP701 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:16:31 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Axel Hartmann > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: HD upgrade TP701 > Date: Monday, July 29, 1996 10:21 PM > > could someone who has re-used the IBM-caddy on a non-IBM > drive report on the mechanical side of swapping drives? > is it something you would want to do more than once? > how do you tweak those miniature torx-screws? I replaced the 170mb(!) drive in my old 755Cs about a year ago with a Toshiba 1.3g. Had to carve off the top off the caddy after prying it open. No problem doing it more than once, it's not a complicated part. The Toshiba drive caused me to lose all suspend/hibernate function. Enjoy & good luck...~j From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 14:35:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07869; Tue, 30 Jul 96 14:35:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28266; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:31:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:30:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28029; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:30:15 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (root@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28019; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:30:10 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id MAA13130; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:19:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: thinkpad Subject: BIOS and you Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This may be old news, but I thought I'd send it out anyway: IBM sent out an internal message regarding ThinkPad BIOS for the 75x series. All bios levels should be at version 1.41. Of course they listed an internal server from which to download the software, so I am not sure where to find them in the world. I guess I'd go to IBM's home page. wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO http://www.leopard.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 14:50:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08577; Tue, 30 Jul 96 14:50:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29560; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:46:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:44:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29221; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:44:42 -0400 Received: from fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (fub46.fddi1.fu-berlin.de [160.45.1.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29215; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:44:35 -0400 Received: by fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.29.1) id ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:44:30 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Subject: Re: Auto Reply from Watch_Mail To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:44:30 +0200 (MES) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Yes! It's indeed a problem with his mailer. He said, he did what he could do to get rid of this problem. Guess we have to live with it. Christoph Eyrich > > is everyone submitting to the list getting > automated answers from jim? > > looks like one badly configured mail-bot... > responding to mailing-list mails... > > or is it a joke on me? i don't get it, then. > > waiting for the auto reply to this post... > > axel > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 16:29:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13243; Tue, 30 Jul 96 16:29:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09812; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:27:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:22:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09207; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:22:07 -0400 Received: from star.cirrus.com (cirrus.com [141.131.7.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09198; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:22:01 -0400 Received: from sundevil.tdc.cirrus.com (sundevil.tdc.cirrus.com [198.90.224.52]) by star.cirrus.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA21939 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:21:53 -0700 Received: from cyberpunk.corp.cirrus.com (cyberpunk.tdc.cirrus.com [198.90.224.23]) by sundevil.tdc.cirrus.com with SMTP id NAA01216 (8.7.5/IDA-1.6 for ); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:19:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from cyberpunk by cyberpunk.corp.cirrus.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA06399; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:20:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199607302020.NAA06399@cyberpunk.corp.cirrus.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: cheap hard drives? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:20:03 -0700 From: Gregg Lahti Can anyone suggest a reliable 3rd party to buy replacement HD's for a 760C? Should I stick with the genuine IBM article and does any vendors carry IBM-only parts? Any suggestions on other drive manufactuers? -TIA -Gregg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 18:21:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19213; Tue, 30 Jul 96 18:21:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20448; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:20:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:13:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19872; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:13:42 -0400 Received: from halon.sybase.com (halon.sybase.com [192.138.151.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19863; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:13:34 -0400 Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate) by halon.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybFW4.0) id AA25899; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:14:24 -0700 Received: from shelty.sybase.com by smtp1.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.5-030896) id AA28592; Tue, 30 Jul 96 15:13:04 PDT Received: from jmelton.sybase.com ([130.214.209.114]) by shelty.sybase.com with SMTP; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960730221128.37ef688c@157.133.211.3> X-Sender: jmelton@157.133.211.3 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:11:28 -0600 To: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) From: Jim Melton Subject: Re: Auto Reply from Watch_Mail Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Folks, I'm really, truly sorry. I continue to harrass the folks who manage my environment to fix the situation that causes me (and you) the problem. Please be assured that I will correct this unpleasant load on your email as soon as I humanly can do so! Sigh... Jim _____________________________________________________________________________ Jim Melton --- Senior Architect, Standards Phone: +1.801.942.0144 Sybase, Inc. Email: jim.melton@sybase.com 1930 Viscounti Drive X/Open email: j.melton@xopen.co.uk Sandy, UT 84093 Fax (by prior arrangement only): +1.801.942.3345 USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 21:49:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26791; Tue, 30 Jul 96 21:49:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03284; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:49:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:43:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02732; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:43:35 -0400 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (root@franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.2.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02718; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:43:32 -0400 Received: from [128.120.18.114] by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.8) id SAA21283; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:43:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: sztarkin@peseta.ucdavis.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:45:51 -0700 To: Gregg Lahti , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: Re: cheap hard drives? At 13:20 7/30/96, Gregg Lahti wrote: >Can anyone suggest a reliable 3rd party to buy replacement HD's >for a 760C? Should I stick with the genuine IBM article and >does any vendors carry IBM-only parts? Any suggestions on other >drive manufactuers? > > -TIA > -Gregg Gregg, I have been happy with the "Plugger Series U" from Computer Connections (800)438-5336. They claim these *are* ThinkPad drives--not cheap, but a better price than IBM. They support hibernation and password. Also, for what it is worth, they are ThinkPad certified. My pricing info. isn't current, so you should contact them. As I recall, they were willing to deal a little. Brian _______________________ Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu 74033.2574@compuserve.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 22:13:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27992; Tue, 30 Jul 96 22:13:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05223; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:13:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:12:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05050; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:12:11 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05044; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:12:08 -0400 Received: from earth.execpc.com (hseaman@earth [169.207.16.1]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id VAA31797 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:13:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (hseaman@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id VAA22833 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:12:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:12:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 750 HD upgrade? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone had success using a non-IBM 2.5 hard drive in a 750 tinkpad? The Western digital AL2540 dosen't work for sure. The folks at road warrior sell toshiba hd's which they say will work. Their prices are not that great, AND they won't tell what model toshiba they would sell you!! So I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has done this, and if the hibernate and password features still work. best regards harry seaman From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 30 23:38:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05793; Tue, 30 Jul 96 23:38:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10954; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:37:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:35:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10783; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:35:48 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10769; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:35:43 -0400 Received: from taitr.acona.com (dfw-tx14-29.ix.netcom.com [204.31.249.93]) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) with SMTP id WAA05559 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:35:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960731034048.0068cd24@psa.pencom.com> X-Sender: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:40:48 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Tait Subject: Fair Price for TP755CX/40MB/510HD Subject sez it all. I am thinking of selling my TP755CX in the local paper here in Dallas, and I was wondering what a fair price is to ask. It is a TP755CX, 40MB RAM, 510MB HD, it has the MWave, 800x600 @ 65k colors LCD etc etc. Also, what about a Dock-II with the Adaptec SCSI controller, no SCSI disks or CDROM's onboard, just the basic one, without the monitor stand? Thanks folks! /rickt From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 00:24:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07407; Wed, 31 Jul 96 00:24:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14556; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:23:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:21:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14144; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:21:33 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14137; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:21:29 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia-23.shadow.net [204.177.71.23]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA00216; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960731042059.006e4f04@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:20:59 -0400 To: Jim Melton From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Auto Reply from Watch_Mail Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 04:11 PM 7/30/96 -0600, Jim Melton wrote: >Please be assured that I will correct this unpleasant load >on your email as soon as I humanly can do so! After Jim explained to me the situation, I simply opened up the filters option in Eudora Pro and told it to folder all stuff from jim.melton@sybase.com with the subject line of Auto Reply from Watch_Mail in the trash. It won't folder unless both conditions are true, so I don't miss real messages from Jim. I do kinda miss seeing messages saying they're from "Life is just a bowl of queries!" though. Clever, and amusing as I spend more and more time writing SQL..... Donald Alan Whiteside, who will vote for Dick Lamm if he'll give me his daughter Heather's phone number. (Smart, cute AND socially conscious - woohoo!) "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 00:24:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07408; Wed, 31 Jul 96 00:24:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14551; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:23:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:21:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14163; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:21:37 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14153; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:21:34 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia-23.shadow.net [204.177.71.23]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA00220; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960731042101.006ac7d0@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:21:01 -0400 To: Harry Seaman , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: 750 HD upgrade? At 09:12 PM 7/30/96 -0500, Harry Seaman wrote: >Has anyone had success using a non-IBM 2.5 hard drive in a 750 tinkpad? >The Western digital AL2540 dosen't work for sure. The folks at road >warrior sell toshiba hd's which they say will work. Their prices are not >that great, AND they won't tell what model toshiba they would sell you!! If they fit, they must be the MKV. (Or some permutation of those letters. Call Toshiba and get them to fax you the list of 2.5 drives) You need the 12.7mm drives, not the 19mm models. I'm using a Quantum. I had to put holes in the top of the case, but it works fine. Suspend works, can't tell you about password. In Road Warrior's defense, they provide a lot more support and info than most hole-in-the-wall drive outlets, so if they seem reluctant to do the research for you and them give you sufficient info to go buy the drive somewhere else for $2 less, I can sympathise. Donald Alan Whiteside, who will vote for Dick Lamm if he'll give me his daughter Heather's phone number. (Smart, cute AND socially conscious - woohoo!) "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 08:32:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26916; Wed, 31 Jul 96 08:32:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27013; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:31:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:24:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26245; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:24:21 -0400 Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26239; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:24:18 -0400 Received: from [199.70.134.9] by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA6645 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:23:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 08:25:08 EDT From: jloyless@netbox.com (Jane Loyless) Reply-To: jloyless@netbox.com (Jane Loyless) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: SelectaDock 1 vs Dock2 Message-Id: <19960731122330.AAA6645@[199.70.134.9]> Has anyone out there used both and can give me the pros and cons? Thanks, Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 08:50:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27454; Wed, 31 Jul 96 08:50:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28777; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:50:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:49:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28608; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:49:19 -0400 Received: from mail-relay1 (mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu [130.132.21.199]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28598; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:49:14 -0400 Received: from capitoline.cis.yale.edu by mail-relay1 with SMTP id AA02133 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:48:19 -0400 Received: from minerva.cis.yale.edu (ckstern@minerva [130.132.143.250]) by capitoline.cis.yale.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18962 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ckstern@localhost) by minerva.cis.yale.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA29278 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:48:36 -0400 (EDT) From: That Ken Guy X-Sender: ckstern@minerva To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 12.5mm hard drives Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry to keep harping on this point. Does anyone know of 12.5mm drives (or anything that will fit in the 701 without cutting it) around 800MB, for significantly-lower-than-IBM prices? (e.g. I've already checked with IBM and Sigma Data and I don't want to pay that much.) I've heard of 540MB's for discount, but nothing over that amount. Help would be much obliged. Thanks --CKS C. Kenneth Stern * WWW http://pantheon.cis.yale.edu/~ckstern e-mail ken.stern@yale.edu * finger ckstern@pantheon.cis.yale.edu Yale/Calhoun '97 * Phone 203-776-5544 * Calhoun CA * A E Pi Brother = = = - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = = = "All I'm saying is that there was gratuitous ass-shaking in that routine." -- Jacob Levitt, on Mary Lou Retton's gymnastics in 1984 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 09:12:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28331; Wed, 31 Jul 96 09:12:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01048; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:11:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:09:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00694; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:09:55 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00683; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:09:51 -0400 Received: from ([158.185.126.12]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA06387; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 06:08:19 -0700 Message-Id: <31FF5B6C.2764@conic.lmco.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 06:11:08 -0700 From: Tom Franklin Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instrumentation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Tait Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fair Price for TP755CX/40MB/510HD References: <2.2.32.19960731034048.0068cd24@psa.pencom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick Tait wrote: > > Subject sez it all. > I am thinking of selling my TP755CX in the local paper here in Dallas, > and I was wondering what a fair price is to ask. It is a TP755CX, > 40MB RAM, 510MB HD, it has the MWave, 800x600 @ 65k colors LCD etc etc. > I sold my TP755cx with 810MB and 24MB for $3000 a few weeks ago in the local paper. There were five or so people interested and it sold right away. Good Luck From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 10:49:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06146; Wed, 31 Jul 96 10:49:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09733; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:49:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:45:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09191; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:45:06 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09166; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:44:59 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA19421; Wed, 31 Jul 96 10:41:36 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 10:41:36 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607311441.AA19421@nile.gnat.com> To: rickt@pencom.com, tomf@conic.lmco.com Subject: Re: Fair Price for TP755CX/40MB/510HD Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "I sold my TP755cx with 810MB and 24MB for $3000 a few weeks ago in the local paper. There were five or so people interested and it sold right away. Good Luck" Well that shows that you should try for a high price if you can get it! For comparison, a brand new Thinkpad 560 with 100MHz Pentium, 810 hard drive, 11.2 dual scan (NOT tft, which makes it not directly comprable) and 8 megs goes for $2699 A brand new Samsung Sens with 100MHz PEntium, acitve 10.4, 8MB RAM 810 hard drive, is $1899 A brand new Thinkpad 365E, with 100MHz 5x86c, 8 mb memory, 540 hard disk, is $1799 Those are RCS prices, from this last Tuesday From DataVision, Thinkpad 560, 12.1" active color, 8 MB RAM, 810 hard drive, 120MHz Pentium is $3679 -- that seems superior in every way to the CX I would think, so it provides some basis for comparison. This is also a brand new price. From Excel Thinkpad 760ELD, 12.1" active color, 810 Hard drive, 4X CD ROM, 8MB memory, 100MHz Pentium is $4395 new. From these new prices, $3000 for the 755cx sounds like it is way over-priced, but hey! if you can get it, why not? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 10:58:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06888; Wed, 31 Jul 96 10:58:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10775; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:58:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:57:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10549; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:57:17 -0400 Received: from itchy.mindspring.com (itchy.mindspring.com [204.180.128.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10528; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:57:14 -0400 Received: from rchalk.mindspring.com (user-168-121-80-185.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.80.185]) by itchy.mindspring.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07641; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960731145817.006d9bf4@atl.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@atl.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:58:17 -0400 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar), rickt@pencom.com, tomf@conic.lmco.com From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: Fair Price for TP755CX/40MB/510HD Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Don't forget that the 755CX has an SVGA Display, and built-in DSP/Modem. Make sure your comparisons are similar. Richard At 10:41 AM 7/31/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >"I sold my TP755cx with 810MB and 24MB for $3000 a few weeks ago in the >local paper. There were five or so people interested and it sold right >away. Good Luck" > >Well that shows that you should try for a high price if you can get it! > >For comparison, a brand new Thinkpad 560 with 100MHz Pentium, >810 hard drive, 11.2 dual scan (NOT tft, which makes it not directly >comprable) and 8 megs goes for $2699 > >A brand new Samsung Sens with 100MHz PEntium, acitve 10.4, 8MB RAM >810 hard drive, is $1899 > >A brand new Thinkpad 365E, with 100MHz 5x86c, 8 mb memory, 540 hard >disk, is $1799 > >Those are RCS prices, from this last Tuesday > >>From DataVision, > >Thinkpad 560, 12.1" active color, 8 MB RAM, 810 hard drive, 120MHz >Pentium is $3679 -- that seems superior in every way to the CX I >would think, so it provides some basis for comparison. This is also >a brand new price. > > >>From Excel > >Thinkpad 760ELD, 12.1" active color, 810 Hard drive, 4X CD ROM, >8MB memory, 100MHz Pentium is $4395 new. > >>From these new prices, $3000 for the 755cx sounds like it is way >over-priced, but hey! if you can get it, why not? > > Richard Chalk PHONE: 770-992-3700 4330 Sprucebough Drive FAX: 770-998-3781 Marietta, GA 30062 EMAIL: rchalk@mindspring.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 11:11:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07417; Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:11:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12019; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:11:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:10:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11861; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:10:28 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11854; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:10:25 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id LAA24984 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0918; Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:04:13 -0700 Message-Id: <9607311804.AA0918@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 808DE3B8EBC09F2F8525637800524CA7; Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:04:11 EDT To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 31 Jul 96 11:01:03 EDT Subject: Re: Fair Price for TP755CX/40MB/510HD X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...A brand new Thinkpad 365E, with 100MHz 5x86c, 8 mb memory, 540 hard disk, is $1799..." ~~~~~ this sounds like a great deal. can anyone testify as to the performance of the 5x86c? i assume it falls somewhere between a dx4/100 & a pentium 100, no? Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 11:23:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07798; Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:23:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13393; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:23:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:22:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13238; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:22:43 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13227; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:22:40 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA26822; Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:19:37 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:19:37 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607311519.AA26822@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, rchalk@atl.mindspring.com, rickt@pencom.com, tomf@conic.lmco.com Subject: Re: Fair Price for TP755CX/40MB/510HD Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "Don't forget that the 755CX has an SVGA Display, and built-in DSP/Modem. Make sure your comparisons are similar." Actually most of the comparison models I quoted do have SVGA displays, but you are right, if you want the DSP/Modem, then that adds to the value. Basically the secret of getting a high price is to find someone who wants the exact model you have for whatever reason. One comment is that the supply of old thinkpads available new seems to have dried up completely, at least in NYC. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 12:20:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10712; Wed, 31 Jul 96 12:20:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18857; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:20:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:15:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18367; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:15:58 -0400 Received: from tiger.avana.net (tiger.avana.net [205.245.133.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18344; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:15:51 -0400 Received: from littleboy.multisoft.com by tiger.avana.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/30Apr96-1201PM) id AA09777; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:15:47 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960731161540.006d97b8@tiger.avana.net> X-Sender: lrj@tiger.avana.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:15:40 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Lew Jansen Subject: Some questions... Hi all. Now that I'm bringing my 'pad to work, I need to pick up a couple things. What was/is the consensus on power adapters? I'd like to leave the regular one that shipped with my 755cx at home and have something at work so I can just "plug-in". Also, I have a 3COM 3c589B combo PCMCIA ethernet card, which works pretty well; except that I have twisted-pair at work and thin-ether at home, and the 3COM card won't "switch" except by rebooting the computer. This is getting annoying enough that I'm considering a replacement ethernet card. Any suggestions for what might work well in my situation? Thanks! -- Lew Jansen, lrj@avana.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lew Jansen lrj@avana.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 12:31:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11307; Wed, 31 Jul 96 12:31:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20231; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:31:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:30:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20044; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:30:17 -0400 Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20016; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:30:13 -0400 Received: from mirko.quantime.nl by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA05039 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:28:32 +0200 Received: from mann by quantime.nl; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:35:58 +0100 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960731172652.01467074@mirko.quantime.nl> X-Sender: ajuddp@mirko.quantime.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:26:52 +0100 To: Lew Jansen , tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Alex Judd Subject: Re: Some questions... >Also, I have a 3COM 3c589B combo PCMCIA ethernet card, which works pretty >well; except that I have twisted-pair at work and thin-ether at home, and >the 3COM card won't "switch" except by rebooting the computer. This is >getting annoying enough that I'm considering a replacement ethernet card. >Any suggestions for what might work well in my situation? > Yep. Know the feeling. I use my 3COM combo for NT, and an SMC EliteCard PCMCIA for everything else. Although I can't find any NT drivers for it, it does let me use BNC and UTP without rebooting. Alex From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 13:03:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13075; Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:03:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22503; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:02:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:00:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22218; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:00:31 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22203; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:00:27 -0400 Received: from ([158.185.126.12]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA13718; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:59:30 -0700 Message-Id: <31FF919F.517E@conic.lmco.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:02:23 -0700 From: Tom Franklin Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instrumentation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Lew Jansen Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Some questions... References: <2.2.32.19960731161540.006d97b8@tiger.avana.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lew Jansen wrote: > What was/is the consensus on power adapters? I'd like to leave the regular > one that shipped with my 755cx at home and have something at work so I can > just "plug-in". The TP760E machines come with a new adapter that is the smallest yet. It supports both 110 and 220 VAC. It doesn't have the annoying plug that sticks 1.5" out the back like the one that came with the TP755cx and TP760C. It also has a two prong plug which is helpful for older houses that don't support three prongs. The P/N on mine is: 85G6704 FRU P/N: 85G6705. Good Luck From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 13:21:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14207; Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:21:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24266; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:21:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:18:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23904; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:18:21 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23897; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:18:16 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA27887 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199607311717.KAA27887@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: cigarette lighter adapter for my TP? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi. i've been thinking about taking a road trip with the 'pad, and i wonder if any of you have experience with using a cigarette lighter adapter with an IBM laptop. this is the sort of thing that's theroretically a piece of cake: cars put out 12 volts, computers run on 5-12 volts, probably the battery charges at no more than 18 volts (but i'm not really sure). however there's lots of noise and fluctuation in car electrical systems (especially if the car is 26 years old) so i worry about frying things. does IBM manufacture such a device? i would trust them more than a third party. any recommendations or horror stories you have would be appreciated. thanks, -mykle- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 13:37:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14704; Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:37:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25702; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:37:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:35:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25442; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:35:41 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25429; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:35:38 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0ulfB1-001BuhC; Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:35 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960731173546.00919adc@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:35:46 -0600 To: Lew Jansen , tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Some questions... At 12:15 PM 7/31/96 -0400, Lew Jansen wrote: >Also, I have a 3COM 3c589B combo PCMCIA ethernet card, which works pretty >well; except that I have twisted-pair at work and thin-ether at home, and >the 3COM card won't "switch" except by rebooting the computer. This is >getting annoying enough that I'm considering a replacement ethernet card. >Any suggestions for what might work well in my situation? Are you using OS/2 or Win95? ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 13:38:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14718; Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:38:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25784; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:37:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:36:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25572; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:36:28 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25565; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:36:25 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA00252; Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:33:20 EDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:33:20 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9607311733.AA00252@nile.gnat.com> To: mykle@vinton.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cigarette lighter adapter for my TP? I have had zero trouble with my cigarette lighter adapter for the TP, yes IBM makes it. I use it all the tie. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 13:41:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15162; Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:41:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26186; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:41:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:40:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25983; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:40:24 -0400 Received: from tiger.avana.net (tiger.avana.net [205.245.133.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25925; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:40:12 -0400 Received: from littleboy.multisoft.com by tiger.avana.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/30Apr96-1201PM) id AA14780; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:39:53 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960731173946.006e43f8@tiger.avana.net> X-Sender: lrj@tiger.avana.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:39:46 -0400 To: Steve Hultquist From: Lew Jansen Subject: Re: Some questions... Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 11:35 AM 7/31/96 -0600, Steve Hultquist wrote: >At 12:15 PM 7/31/96 -0400, I wrote: >>the 3COM card won't "switch" except by rebooting the computer. This is >>getting annoying enough that I'm considering a replacement ethernet card. >>Any suggestions for what might work well in my situation? > >Are you using OS/2 or Win95? Sorry, I should have mentioned that. I'm using Win95. -- Lew Jansen, lrj@avana.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lew Jansen lrj@avana.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 13:52:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15919; Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:52:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27199; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:51:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:50:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26988; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:50:28 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26964; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:50:24 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0ulfPM-001BuvC; Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:50 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960731175038.00919970@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:50:38 -0600 To: Lew Jansen From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Some questions... Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 01:39 PM 7/31/96 -0400, Lew Jansen wrote: >At 11:35 AM 7/31/96 -0600, Steve Hultquist wrote: >>At 12:15 PM 7/31/96 -0400, I wrote: >>>the 3COM card won't "switch" except by rebooting the computer. This is >>>getting annoying enough that I'm considering a replacement ethernet card. >>>Any suggestions for what might work well in my situation? >> >>Are you using OS/2 or Win95? > > Sorry, I should have mentioned that. I'm using Win95. In that case, stop the PCMCIA card (click the PCMCIA icon on the task bar tray or go into PC Card in Control Panel), attach the other cable, remove and insert the card. When Win95 sees it reinstalled, it reinstalls the drivers, so you should be ok. (BTW, I just tried it here with mine and it works just fine!) ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 13:50:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15436; Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:50:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26817; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:49:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:48:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26686; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:48:22 -0400 Received: from where.why.net (where.why.net [205.240.252.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26680; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:48:17 -0400 Received: from [198.69.202.100] by where.why.net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11525) with SMTP id AAA181; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:46:53 -0500 Message-Id: <31FF9C53.686C@why.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:48:03 -0500 From: jim@why.net (jim) Reply-To: jim@why.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: jim@why.net Subject: Re: cigarette lighter adapter for my TP? References: <9607311733.AA00252@nile.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, You might also consider one of those little general purpose inverters that plug into your lighter plug and provide 110 volts. They're small, cheap, and you can use them for other things too. Plus you don't have to get rid of it when you change laptops. Jim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 14:01:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16232; Wed, 31 Jul 96 14:01:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28248; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:00:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:59:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27991; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:59:30 -0400 Received: from mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (crater.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [128.196.206.228]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27984; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:59:27 -0400 Received: from cobra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (cobra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.21]) by mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA02829; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:54:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by cobra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.7.5/8.7.1) id KAA13665; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:59:13 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:59:13 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199607311759.KAA13665@cobra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> To: mykle@Vinton.COM Subject: Re: cigarette lighter adapter for my TP? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 10:26 MST 1996 > From: mykle hansen > Subject: cigarette lighter adapter for my TP? > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > hi. i've been thinking about taking a road trip with the > 'pad, and i wonder if any of you have experience with using > a cigarette lighter adapter with an IBM laptop. IBM P/N 66G9984, FRU P/N 84G4359. "CAR Adapter", Input: 12V 5A, output 20-10V 2.00-2.20 A About 6" long, 1 3/4" wide and 1 3/8" deep with 2 cords attached - one for the cigarette lighter and the other for the tp power plug (4 pin). Seems to work fine with my 755CX - charges the battery while running the TP. Don't remember how much it cost but it didn't seem out bounds. Stu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona 1600 N. Country Club Rd, Ste 100 Tucson, AZ 85716-3160 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > this is the sort of thing that's theroretically a piece of > cake: cars put out 12 volts, computers run on 5-12 volts, > probably the battery charges at no more than 18 volts > (but i'm not really sure). however there's lots of noise > and fluctuation in car electrical systems (especially if > the car is 26 years old) so i worry about frying things. > > does IBM manufacture such a device? i would trust them more > than a third party. any recommendations or horror stories > you have would be appreciated. > > thanks, > > -mykle- > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 14:39:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18504; Wed, 31 Jul 96 14:39:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01953; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:39:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:32:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01461; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:32:55 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01454; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:32:46 -0400 Received: from hyper (dwhite@hyper.shadow.net [204.177.71.251]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28784; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:35:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside X-Sender: dwhite@hyper To: mykle hansen Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cigarette lighter adapter for my TP? In-Reply-To: <199607311717.KAA27887@eunice.Vinton.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, mykle hansen wrote: > hi. i've been thinking about taking a road trip with the > 'pad, and i wonder if any of you have experience with using > a cigarette lighter adapter with an IBM laptop. I have one. Used it for a long time to charge the thinkpad while driving. And, in fact, I am now selling it. Hold onto your britches though - I'm asking $80 till someone convinces me that's unreasonable. I paid roughly $145 for it, which I thought was unreasonable, but I think that's still the asking price. I'm willing to listen to competitive offers, but below a certain point it's not worth unloading it - I still have the pad, but have little need to run it in the car anymore. Anyone not concerned about the IBM name might, as someone else mentioned, look into an AC inverter. Be careful when you buy it to make sure it can handle the ampere draw - some of those inverters are not up to the 1A that the adaptor pulls at max load. They do make them, and probably for less than $80, to be perfectly honest. Interested parties can email me for further discussion. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 14:57:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19702; Wed, 31 Jul 96 14:57:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03736; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:57:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:55:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03519; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:55:35 -0400 Received: from ingr.ingr.com (ingr.ingr.com [129.135.211.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03502; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:55:29 -0400 Received: from hq14.pcmail.ingr.com by ingr.ingr.com (5.65c/1.920611) id AA01986; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:54:44 -0500 Received: by hq14.pcmail.ingr.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB7EE7.D320D4F0@hq14.pcmail.ingr.com>; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:54:42 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Russell, Mark S" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Problems with Suspend/Hibernate in Win95 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:54:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 27 TEXT I'm having problems with Suspend and Hibernate modes in Win95 on my 760C. For some reason I am unable to resume a suspend -- pressing the Fn key does nothing. When I push the power switch, it does a double beep and nothing else. The only way back into the system is to press the reset button on the back of the machine. Then I can power up with the power switch. Standby seems to be working fine -- I can hit Fn-F3, it darkens, then hit Fn to resume. I decided to try enabling hibernation and the Readi-Safe option. Now I seem to be totally stuck. Every time I do the boot process above, it re-enters hibernation mode. Looks like I'm caught in a loop. Does anybody have any clues as to what's going on here? Or is there a manual way to bypass the power management stuff? I may end up rebuilding the thing from scratch if I can't figure it out. :( Thanks, Mark Mark Russell Intergraph Corp. msrussel@ingr.com (205) 730-7233 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 15:41:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21335; Wed, 31 Jul 96 15:41:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08052; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:40:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:36:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07610; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:36:50 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07604; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:36:46 -0400 Received: from hyper (dwhite@hyper.shadow.net [204.177.71.251]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05266; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside X-Sender: dwhite@hyper To: TP750 Cc: Lew Jansen Subject: Re: Some questions... In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960731173546.00919adc@rmi.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > At 12:15 PM 7/31/96 -0400, Lew Jansen wrote: > >Also, I have a 3COM 3c589B combo PCMCIA ethernet card, which works pretty > >well; except that I have twisted-pair at work and thin-ether at home, and > >the 3COM card won't "switch" except by rebooting the computer. This is > >getting annoying enough that I'm considering a replacement ethernet card. > >Any suggestions for what might work well in my situation? Didn't we discuss this one before? It appears to be a CSS issue. When I used IBM's CSS for DOS, I could run the little command line application to switch on the fly. When I switched to Cardsoft's socket services, I had to either reboot or pop the card out and back in again. In a nutshell, the card appears able to deal with it. Much software apparently does not. if your software doesn't, good luck getting a manf to consider it a priority. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 15:42:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21345; Wed, 31 Jul 96 15:42:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08197; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:41:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:40:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08031; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:40:44 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08017; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:40:41 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA05738; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:40:32 GMT Received: from slip129-37-211-90.wi.us.ibm.net(129.37.211.90) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaFlcDFW; Wed Jul 31 19:40:21 1996 Message-Id: <31FFB563.7D46@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:34:59 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Wilson" Reply-To: jcwilso@ibm.net Organization: Badger Valve & Fitting X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5a (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, Rick Tait Subject: Re: Fair Price for TP755CX/40MB/510HD References: <2.2.32.19960731034048.0068cd24@psa.pencom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick Tait wrote: > > Subject sez it all. > I am thinking of selling my TP755CX in the local paper here in Dallas, > and I was wondering what a fair price is to ask. It is a TP755CX, > 40MB RAM, 510MB HD, it has the MWave, 800x600 @ 65k colors LCD etc etc. > > Also, what about a Dock-II with the Adaptec SCSI controller, no > SCSI disks or CDROM's onboard, just the basic one, without the monitor > stand? > > Thanks folks! > /rickt Our local used computer index says 755cx's are worth about $2700 around here (Milwaukee, WI). Unfortunately, it doesn't give a configuration. I would think the 540 HD would be a minus (I know, I have a 755cx w/ a 540 and it seems way to small) but the 40MB RAM is a big plus. Can't say for sure about the DockII. They have not come down in price in the last year, still running about $700 new. I have heard they can't be used w/ the 760 series. I have a DockII and love it, offers a lot of expandability & convenience. Good luck. -- Joseph C. Wilson jcwilso@ibm.net Milwaukee, WI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 15:45:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21578; Wed, 31 Jul 96 15:45:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08724; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:45:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:44:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08456; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:44:21 -0400 Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (firewall-user@ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08447; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:44:11 -0400 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id DAA27894; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 03:32:59 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma027892; Thu, 1 Aug 96 03:32:44 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id DAA19202; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 03:33:56 +0900 Received: by hamlet.wg.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-hamlet) id DAA06581; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 03:32:43 +0900 Received: by othello.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb/2.8Wb-othello) id DAA25044; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 03:32:41 +0900 From: Jeffrey Friedl Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 03:32:27 +0900 Message-Id: <199607311832.DAA00801@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199607311717.KAA27887@eunice.Vinton.COM> (message from mykle hansen on Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: cigarette lighter adapter for my TP? Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp mykle hansen wrote: |> hi. i've been thinking about taking a road trip with the |> 'pad, and i wonder if any of you have experience with using |> a cigarette lighter adapter with an IBM laptop. I've seen PCMCIA cigarette lighters, and some company (Adaptec?) makes parallel-port cigarette lighter adapters, although I hear they have trouble getting hot enough in a cool environment. However, if your TP is like mine, you can just set it down on a table for a while and then use the bottom as a lighter, grill, space heater, etc. This has been a 100% content-free post from.... Jeffrey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey Friedl Omron Corp, Nagaokakyo, Kyoto 617 Japan See my Jap<->Eng dictionary at http://www.wg.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e or at mirrors at [enterprise.ic.gc.ca] and [www.itc.omron.com] From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 16:01:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22244; Wed, 31 Jul 96 16:01:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10358; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:01:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:59:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09909; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:59:22 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09898; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:59:16 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0ulhQ1-001BxnC; Wed, 31 Jul 96 13:58 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960731195927.0094eb34@rmi.net> X-Sender: ssh@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:59:27 -0600 To: "Russell, Mark S" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Problems with Suspend/Hibernate in Win95 At 01:54 PM 7/31/96 -0500, Russell, Mark S wrote: >Does anybody have any clues as to what's going on here? Or is there a >manual way to bypass the power management stuff? I may end up >rebuilding the thing from scratch if I can't figure it out. :( Can you get into the Easy Setup during boot? If what you mean is it tries to come out of hibernation when you hit the power button, that's to be expected, I guess. I think you'll need to convince it not to use the fact it's in hibernation. So, perhaps hit the "reset" button after you hit power and see if the next power-on will bring it up in normal POST. If not, the only thing I can think of is somehow getting rid of the hibernation file (by putting the disk in another machine?). Sounds to me like you're close to seriously stuck! :-( EasyServ time? ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 16:14:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22779; Wed, 31 Jul 96 16:14:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11710; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:14:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:13:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11559; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:13:25 -0400 Received: from answerman.mindspring.com (answerman.mindspring.com [204.180.128.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11544; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:13:12 -0400 Received: from rchalk.mindspring.com (user-168-121-80-185.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.80.185]) by answerman.mindspring.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA17174; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:13:05 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960731201454.006eecb4@atl.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@atl.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:14:54 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, Rick Tait From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: Fair Price for TP755CX/40MB/510HD I just bought a DockII, new, but from a liquidator in Atlanta. Paid $425. Hope this helps. By the way it works fine with a 760CD Richard Rick Tait wrote: > > Subject sez it all. > I am thinking of selling my TP755CX in the local paper here in Dallas, > and I was wondering what a fair price is to ask. It is a TP755CX, > 40MB RAM, 510MB HD, it has the MWave, 800x600 @ 65k colors LCD etc etc. > > Also, what about a Dock-II with the Adaptec SCSI controller, no > SCSI disks or CDROM's onboard, just the basic one, without the monitor > stand? > > Thanks folks! > /rickt Our local used computer index says 755cx's are worth about $2700 around here (Milwaukee, WI). Unfortunately, it doesn't give a configuration. I would think the 540 HD would be a minus (I know, I have a 755cx w/ a 540 and it seems way to small) but the 40MB RAM is a big plus. Can't say for sure about the DockII. They have not come down in price in the last year, still running about $700 new. I have heard they can't be used w/ the 760 series. I have a DockII and love it, offers a lot of expandability & convenience. Good luck. -- Joseph C. Wilson jcwilso@ibm.net Milwaukee, WI Richard Chalk PHONE: 770-992-3700 4330 Sprucebough Drive FAX: 770-998-3781 Marietta, GA 30062 EMAIL: rchalk@mindspring.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 16:46:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24210; Wed, 31 Jul 96 16:46:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14972; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:46:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:45:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14712; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:45:42 -0400 Received: from ingr.ingr.com (ingr.ingr.com [129.135.211.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14696; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:45:38 -0400 Received: from hq14.pcmail.ingr.com by ingr.ingr.com (5.65c/1.920611) id AA12030; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:44:18 -0500 Received: by hq14.pcmail.ingr.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB7EF7.214480A0@hq14.pcmail.ingr.com>; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:44:16 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Russell, Mark S" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FYI: Great RAM prices Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:44:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 21 TEXT FYI, I just purchased a 16MB EDO RAM chip from The Chip Merchant for my 760C and it only cost $155. Seems to be working fine. I dealt with Nora; she was very easy to work with. You can find their web page at www.thechipmerchant.com If you order from there make extra sure they have quoted you the correct module for your machine. They originally sent me the wrong chip, but the correct one ended up being cheaper and they're sending me a refund for the difference. Mark Russell Intergraph Corp. msrussel@ingr.com (205) 730-7233 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 16:46:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24215; Wed, 31 Jul 96 16:46:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14935; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:46:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:42:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14399; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:42:34 -0400 Received: from ctpsun.ciw.edu (ctpsun.ciw.edu [192.70.249.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14392; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:42:31 -0400 Received: from [192.70.249.33] (mac33.ciw.edu [192.70.249.33]) by ctpsun.ciw.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15528 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607312042.QAA15528@ctpsun.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:44:45 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: 3com combo card: (Re: Some questions...) This won't help the win95 folks, but with the latest drivers under warp, the 3com 3c589 card re-initializes when coming out of hybernate, or when hot plugged. This should take care of it. ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 web page: http://granite.ciw.edu/~kress --------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 17:10:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25512; Wed, 31 Jul 96 17:10:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17271; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:09:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:08:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17150; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:08:56 -0400 Received: from ctrvx1.Vanderbilt.Edu (ctrvx1.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.1.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17140; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:08:51 -0400 Received: from dial082.Vanderbilt.Edu by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (PMDF V5.0-5 #11488) id <01I7Q8OB7SRK8XMQUH@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:06:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:06:48 -0500 (CDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu From: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (James Gramling) Subject: PCs Compleat X-Sender: gramlijf@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01I7Q8OBOOEQ8XMQUH@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does anyone have any experience in trying to return thinkpads or other portables to PCs Compleat? They tell me they have a satisfaction guarantee, ie, you can send it back for any reason or no reason, as picky as one dead pixel on an active matrix screen. Has anyone else tried to do this, and were you successful? Many thanks, Jim Gramling From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 18:36:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29481; Wed, 31 Jul 96 18:36:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24365; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:36:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:29:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23791; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:29:02 -0400 Received: from patty.loop.net (patty.loop.net [204.179.169.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23778; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:28:59 -0400 Received: from pma2_101.loop.com (pma2_101.loop.com [206.138.118.101]) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA13724 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:28:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199607312228.PAA13724@patty.loop.net> X-Sender: howie@pop.loop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:28:36 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Howard Subject: Re: PCs Compleat I've had good experiences with the return policy of this company: My original laptop was a Toshiba, bought from PCs Compleat. When it turned out to be unsatisfactory (power management was absurd, but that was the design) they accepted it back without any hassles, and promptly credited the card I had purchased it with. If only more companies behaved so well.... Howard Simpson At 04:06 PM 7/31/96 -0500, James Gramling wrote: >Does anyone have any experience in trying to return thinkpads or other >portables to PCs Compleat? They tell me they have a satisfaction guarantee, >ie, you can send it back for any reason or no reason, as picky as one dead >pixel on an active matrix screen. Has anyone else tried to do this, and >were you successful? Many thanks, > >Jim Gramling > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jul 31 19:49:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06353; Wed, 31 Jul 96 19:49:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28521; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:49:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:46:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28277; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:46:08 -0400 Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu (jollymon@expert.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28270; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:46:05 -0400 Received: (from jollymon@localhost) by expert.cc.purdue.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id SAA08654 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:45:56 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Sethi Message-Id: <199607312345.SAA08654@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: Panasonic Cd to ZIp To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad mail list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:45:56 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text I know this has been discussed before, but now that I am trying to do it, I am having problems. I want to use my Panasonic CD (DX720) with a SCSI Zip drive. I know that I need a Micro DB50 Female to DB25 Male cable. However, I know that two adapters could be used like this: A.) Micro 50 female to 50pin Centronics Male B.) 50 pin Centronics Female to DB25 Male Unfortunately, I am having a hard time finding these cables or adapters. If anyone knows where I can get them, please reply. Thanks Jason -- ******************************************************************************* Jason Sethi Purdue University Senior in EE jollymon@expert.cc.purdue.edu sethi@ecn.purdue.edu URL:cernan.ecn.purdue.edu/~sethi *******************************************************************************