From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:18:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA122479111; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:18:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13638; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:58:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12995; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12880; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA27027 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010157.SAA27027@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 23:24:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cardbus vs. PCMCIA Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What's the deal on the new Cardbus, and what are its pro's/con's? Is it available in any ThinkPad machines yet? Is the bus transfer rate faster than the legacy 2Mb? Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:19:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA122689158; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:19:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13562; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12586; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12526; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26202; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010155.SAA26202@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Don Rich" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 21:07:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: easyserv Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:16:52 -0600, Don Rich wrote: >Hi All >Easyserv will pickup my 701 tomorrow to replace the cmos battery. Does >anyone have any suggestions as to anything else I should have them check >while its there? >TIA >Don > Have them also take a look at the suspend battery, and maybe the audio jacks or internal power jacks, because they tend to wear out quickly. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:21:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA123439309; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:21:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13554; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12558; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12493; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26181 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010155.SAA26181@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 21:06:05 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM Notebook hard drives Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I had an interesting conversation with the Easyserv technician last Thursday night before I got my ThinkPad the next afternoon, and in our conversation, he said that after peeling away at labels, and looking at documents or whatever, he said that *all* the notebook hard drives are made by Toshiba. I find this hard to believe, except for those drives that say MADE FOR IBM, rather than MADE BY IBM, which would be misleading if it were in fact made by Toshiba. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:28:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125149685; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:28:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13551; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12492; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12443; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26064; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010155.SAA26064@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jerry Houlihan" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 18:57:09 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C & Links 386 GOLF Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:43:13 -0400, Jerry Houlihan wrote: >I downloaded VESA.COM from the Chips & Tech page but I'm still having >problems getting >Links386 to run on my Thinkpad 701c. The game goes as far as the "Access >Software" screen >with the lighthouse but then stops. The cursor remains an eternal hour >glass that I can move >around. > >Can anyone tell me if this game will run on the 701C? > >Thanks, > >Jerry H. > What OS are you running? If you have Win95, the VESA driver could be causing problems. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:30:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA126259843; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:30:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13540; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12494; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12444; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26087; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010155.SAA26087@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dale Chao" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 18:59:53 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MWAVE question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:09:59 +0200, Dale Chao wrote: >I read the talk about MWAVE modems and I have no idea what they are. Could >someone be kind enough to take a moment to explain them to me or point me >to resources? > >Thanks, > Dale > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dale Chao >Concord, California >Primary Email: geige@usa.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > It is basically IBM's proprietary DSP (digital signal processor) which relieves the processor by doing the sound and modem itself. Unfortunatly, because it is proprietary, support isn't as good as with other chips, like the ESS Audiodrive series, and neither the modem nor the sound are compatible with Linux, because IBM won't release the source code. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:37:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA127890269; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:37:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13663; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:58:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12977; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12865; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26976; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010157.SAA26976@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "laniear@ibm.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 23:10:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 HD compatibility Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 12 Jun 97 12:52:28 -0800, laniear@ibm.net wrote: > > > >//--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- >> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 09:16:31 -0700 >> From: "Peter Lewis" >> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >> Subject: 701 HD compatibility > >> >> >> IBM 701 tech support guy I spoke with today advised against installing any >> thing other than an IBM HD into the 701. He maintained that non IBM drives >> either wouldn't fit, or if they did fit, would not work because of a >> proprietary IBM connector. >> >This is not true. There are compatible hard drives. I bought a 1.1 GB drive last spring >and not only does it fit and work, it is also covered under the ThinkPad warranty and NO it >is not an IBM drive. Also, I was referred to the manufacturer by tech support. > What brand is the drive, and how would you compare it with the IBM drive (faster, quieter, etc.)? Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:41:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128990474; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:41:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13620; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12893; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12792; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26745; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010156.SAA26745@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "PEP PEOPLE" , "David Ross" , "PEPSales@aol.com" Cc: "PEP PEOPLE" , "PEP PEOPLE" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 22:30:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701c --> Pentium Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 19 Jul 97 23:19:52 HST, David Ross wrote: >> I must disagree on one of your points. It is true that the AMD is not a true >> Pentium, but in our tests, it benchmarks out as fast as a Pentium 75. > So does that mean that I can compare a 386DX-40 to a 486SX-25, because 40 sounds better than 25? Besides, the Pentium uses 64-bit architecture, not only 32-bit like all the 386's and 486's and you AMD upgrade. And what OS do you use your benchmarks on? There are many of us out here who also use OS/2 and Linux, and different processors meet different needs, so you offering may end up being completely false if we are running mission-critical apps or something, rather than just looking for something to up the speed on our 486 boards. And BTW, don't forget about PCI vs. 8MHz ISA bus, on the majority of 486's, except for VLB, and in rare cases, PCI and EISA. Paul Khoury Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:43:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA129670617; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:43:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13564; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:56:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12630; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12578; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26272; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010155.SAA26272@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Henry Shin" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 21:25:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: rebooting to win3.1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:34:21 -0400, Henry Shin wrote: >Hi, > >I was in Win3.1 and switched over to OS2. Now, the system hangs when the >laptop boots up OS2. I get a small white bar that says OS2 then the OS2 >warp screen pops. Once that screen clears, the system just hangs. How does >one get back into Win3.1? I just picked up a used ThinkPad and I am >familiar with the PC-DOS dual boot system. I would appreciate some help. >Thanks! > >Best, > >Henry > Here's a tip I found for everyone that I use on another system, since I took off DOS to make my 701 completely OS/2: get a bootable DOS disk (I use PC-DOS 6.3, which was already on that hard drive which came out of a 755CE), and boot to DOS, then CD \OS2, type "boot /dos", it will ask you a confirmation "Y/N", choose "y", and take out the floppy, and the hard drive will boot back to DOS. Also, you might want to press ALT-F1 for a list of recovery options, or ALT-F2 to see all the drivers load up. This is helpful in determining which driver(s) cause the system to hang. And it is recommended that you run CHKDSK /F, possibly in OS/2 if you still have your OS/2 boot disks. BTW, what version do you have? Regards, Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:45:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA130540706; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:45:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13712; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12883; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12770; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26708; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010156.SAA26708@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Will Wilson" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 22:23:12 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 750P Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 20 Jul 1997 13:58:02 -0400, Will Wilson wrote: >Hi, >I've been reading this list for several days and have found very little >about the 750. I need some help. I know it's an old machine, >(according to Support at IBM, a very old machine) but I only want to use > >it for word processing, faxing, and hopefully add it to the peer-to-peer > >network of my two desktop PCs. What OS, and how much RAM/HD space do you have? I've already got a H&A combo pcmcia. >My problem is that I bought it from an auction and it came with no >owner's manual, and it needs a battery. IBM wants $174 for the manual 174 bucks for a manual?!? I wonder how much Poopsales charges for that. >and $199 for a battery. Not a li-ion, mind you, just a regular battery. Regular, like those cheap Nicads, or NiMH (Nickel Metal Hydride)? > >I've found batteries for as little as $112, which still seems too much, >but "you gotta do what you gotta do." If it's NiMH, that's around average. If it's NiCD, then "Yikes, too expensive!!!" >If anyone can help me find an owner's manual at a reasonable price I >would really appreciate it. >Thanks for reading, >Will >jww@blueridge.net > Usually IBM will put on a online manual with the extension .INF, not related to Windows setup files. This is usually the case especially if the system comes with OS/2 on it. Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:48:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA131310898; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:48:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13710; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:58:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13013; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12926; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA27044; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010157.SAA27044@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "PEP PEOPLE" , "axel hartmann" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "PEP PEOPLE" , "PEP PEOPLE" , "PEP PEOPLE" , "PEP PEOPLE" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 23:32:05 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: 701 HD upgrade Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 27 Jul 1997 01:09:26 -0400, axel hartmann wrote: >On Saturday, July 26, 1997 17:40, PEPSales@aol.com wrote: > >Gee - look how late they have to work at PE on saturdays! > >I hope they are busy running those benchmarks for the CPU >upgrades. And this time telling us what legitiment benchmark suite(s) they are using, as well as using control machines for comparisons. Paul > >;) axel > >[...] >>Best Regards, >> >>Michael >>email: pepsale2[...] >>Portable Enhancements >>The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM >[...] >............................................................................ >. Axel Hartmann . >. Paper Summer : 30 Kellogg Ave; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . >. Voice only : +1 (413) 256 - 6264 . >. Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . >. Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 1649 . >. E-Mail : axelh@polysci.umass.edu . >. Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . >............................................................................ > > Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:49:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA131590969; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:49:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13568; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12536; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12469; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26123; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010155.SAA26123@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dale Chao" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 19:05:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 Screen problem update Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:09:10 +0200, Dale Chao wrote: >A few weeks ago there was some discussion of the 701CS screen getting all >mucked up by opening a DOS box. The recommended solutions included >Fn-F1-and-back and switching color depth. > >Well, I just wanted to pass along that I did a fresh FDISK/format/Win95 >install and that problem seems to have gone away. I did *nothing* to >interfere with Win95's hardware autodetect. > > >Also another update on a problem I had a ways back: multiport+2 PC cards >wouldn't work. It turns out there just weren't enough IRQs to go around. >Disabling a port I wasn't use in a new hardware configuration took care of >that one as well. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dale Chao >Concord, California >Primary Email: geige@usa.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > I eliminated that problem, so I can use the internal modem (irq 4), multiport 2 serial port (irq 3), lpt1 on multiport (irq 7) and/or lpt2 when floppy is not present (floppy-> irq6, lpt2-> irq5), no infrared, audio (0x200,irq10,dma1), Home & Away adapter in slot 2 (com 3, irq11), IBM Solid State File 5MB ATA Flash in slot 1 (sometimes irq9 or 15). All I did was edit the config.sys for OS/2 and add special parameters to stuff I could change. I think you should also be able to do so with Windows 95 or Linux or whatever, so long as you don't have a token ring card. Also, don't forget that the PS/2 mouse uses irq12 unless you disable it. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:51:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA131981071; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:51:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13601; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12824; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12704; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26492; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010156.SAA26492@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "matt@textan.demon.co.uk" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" , "TROTTIER, Tom" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 21:57:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: thinkpad software re-install Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:35:19 -0400, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: >Have you used FDISK to set the C partition to Active? >Ciao, Tom >_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect >SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre >50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com > >---------- >From: matt@textan.demon.co.uk[SMTP:matt@textan.demon.co.uk] >Sent: 1997 July 19 - Saturday 14:50 >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Subject: thinkpad software re-install > >I've just had to format my hard-drive to get rid of a lot of problems in win95. The problem is that now the machine >will not boot of the hard-drive. I've tried format c: /s, and the system files are transferred correctly. But when I reboot >the machine all I get after the password is a flashing _ character. If I go into bios and make the floppy drive the primary >boot device then the machine boots from the a: drive ok and you can switch to the c: and look at the contents ok. >Is there a special utility I have to use to get the machine to recognise the hard-drive as a bootable device. When the >bios is set to look at the hard drive it goes straight to the flashing _ thing without the hd icon on the lcd ever coming on. >I've tried dos 6.2 as well as fat16 and fat32 versions of win95b and all exhibit the same problem. >Any help greatly appreciated > > Matt@textan.demon.co.uk > Try a new OS like OS/2, Linux, or WinNT if you're having that many problems to help end the frustration. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:51:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132171105; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:51:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13642; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12928; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12825; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26822; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010157.SAA26822@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "PEPSales@aol.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "PEP PEOPLE" , "PEP PEOPLE" , "PEP PEOPLE" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 22:58:12 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: novice questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Another problem with Pepsales is that when replying to an individuals' question, notice how the WHOLE list gets the reponse, which is more wasted space on our hard drives. On Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:39:42 -0400 (EDT), PEPSales@aol.com wrote: >Peter, > >We have Hard Drive upgrades through 2.1gb for your system. They come in the >Additional Metal HDD Caddie we developed. This will make it very easy to >replace our drive in your system. There is even an External HDD Shell that >you can put the drive taken out of the system during upgrade that will allow >you to use both drives at the same time. I am sending our upgrade catalog for >your system for you to look over. Please contact me or visit our website if >you have any other questions or needs. > >Best Regards, > >Michael >email: pepsale2@portables.com >Portable Enhancements >The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM >Up to 3GB in your Notebook! >WEB: http://www.portables.com > > >========Original Message======== > >Subj: novice questions >Date: 97-06-06 04:41:55 EDT >From: peterl@citylinq.com (Peter Lewis) >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > >My 360meg HD is approaching full on the TP701C, on which I am running >Win95B. That OS was installed off a network by the previous owner. I can >access Win95B off another network again if need be. > >I'm looking for help/suggestions on my options to add HD, with price and >simplicity the prime objectives (I realize they may be in conflict). I >would also appreciate tips on where to purchase what. > >And to anyone who responds to this request for help, *please* keep the >technobabble to a minimum, because it will be meaningless to me. > >Thanks in advance. > >Peter >-- > >Peter Lewis >peterlx@citylinq.com > >[remove 'x' after 'peterl' to reply] > > Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:54:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132811243; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:54:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13566; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:56:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12669; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12604; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26296; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010155.SAA26296@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Berry" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 21:33:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: killCMOS kills thinkpad Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 22 Jul 1997 18:16:29 -0500, Bill Berry wrote: >So, I'm doing some basic maintenance prior to compressing my HD. I run >Norton, >etc. Then I think back to my Mac days and I say, I wonder if there's >something >akin to resetting the P-RAM for Intel machines. I look in the utilities >section on Windows95.com and I find the utility killCMOS. > >I read through the readme and come across the section: > >*scenerio two* > Sometimes, a motherboard's CMOS settings will get corrupted due to a > power-flux or just because it felt like it. The Level of corruption may > keep you from even into the CMOS menu. > >So I figure, cool this clean out any corruption and I can get on with the >rest >of my day. > >I go into the set up and remove my passwords (just in case) and run killCMOS. > >Reboot. Bang! I gotta password. (But didn't I just remove my passwords?!) >Maybe it reset my old one? No. > >Anyway, I can't use my ThinkPad. I call IBM, they tell me I have to have the >power-on password reset by an authorized IBM service center. But, if it's the >hard drive password or the "supervisor" password, I'll have to replace the >components (hard drive & system board). This turns out to be just about what >the thing (TP365XD DS) is going for right now in the stores, since the new >model came out. > >So basically though I can use my ThinkPad, I can't get into the setup if I >need to, or format the hard drive. > >Any ideas on what I can do, or what killCMOS would have set as the passwords? > >I can send you the text of the readme if it'll help. > >Yes, I've sent e-mail to the author of killCMOS. > >Please help. E-mail: doggo@megsinet.net > > First of all, I don't recommend compression with the problems and side effects I've seen, but everyone has their own opinions, too. You shouldn't have run any program like that, because the BIOS resides in an Intel Flash chip (or at least that's who made the chip the last time I opened up my dead 355C). And according to the data sheets IBM sent me on some of their hard drives, the password part may also conflict with hardware. It says on my 2 datasheets, which correspand to the DHAA(355,360,755,etc.) and DBOA (701), the Hex command for disabling the password on the hard drive is F6, if that also helps. Otherwise, you probably would have to replace the system board Regards, Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 00:56:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA133421386; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:56:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13765; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12890; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12778; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool065-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.65]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26669; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708010156.SAA26669@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "axel hartmann" , "Peter Lewis" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 22:16:49 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: flame: PEPSales, 701c --> Pentium Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 20 Jul 1997 18:09:29 -0700, Peter Lewis wrote: > >Well said. > >In addition, let's not forget the greeting/rules we all received upon >subscribing to this list, from which I quote the following excerpt verbatim: > >QUOTE: > > >>> NOTE <<< > >In general, advertising of commercial products or services is prohibited on >this list. I definantly agree. In the exception where another member of the list says he/she is looking to purchase or sell something like memory or a hard drive left over from an upgrade might be okay, but I don't agree with commercially-based companies advertising their over-priced stuff, which is VERY overpriced for me, being in high school (as we have a reputation for being short of cash quickly! :-( ). > >UNQUOTE > > >At 04:52 PM 7/20/97 -0400, axel hartmann wrote: >>Hello David, >> >>Thank you for your persistence in pointing out the facts that >>are still missing from PEP's postings. I've been on this list >>for well over a year now. Such as benchmarks, and telling us whether or not a particular upgrade voids the system's warranty, and whether they take over the warranty or not. >>PEP keeps on butting in with advertisements that are at least >>borderline spam. There are plenty of other companies out there >>doing the same sort of upgrades which don't advertise on this >>list. What makes PEP annoying is that they are not at the technical >>level that this list is generally at. They, or Michael, are not >>responding to very clear requests to back their claims. >> Sounds like traditional advertising to me. >>Thank you, David, for not giving up! >> >>PEP, why don't you answer David's questions? It would make >>my life easier as well, because I really don't want to have to >>figure out how spam filters work with Microsoft Exchange... >> I don't want to figure out how to do the same on PMMail/2 either. >>axel >> >> >> >> >>On Saturday, July 19, 1997 19:19, David Ross[SMTP:ross@math.hawaii.edu] >wrote: >>>> I must disagree on one of your points. It is true that the AMD is not a >true >>>> Pentium, but in our tests, it benchmarks out as fast as a Pentium 75. >>> >>>I do not believe that an AMD586 at 100 mhz (i.e., on a 25mhz system) >>>will meet a P75 even on non-systemic benchmarks. >>> True, because a Pentium is 64-bit (was it internal, external, or both?), while the AMD option is still just 32-bit at the best. In a ways, it's sort of like comparing a 386DX-40 to a 486SX-25. >>>Several people on this list have seen a document I produced detailing my >>>own experiences upgrading a desktop machine to this chip, together with >several >>>before-and-after benchmarks (some well-known, some based on real-world >>>apps). The upgrade was definitely worthwhile for me, but on my desktop >>>only cost me $40, and I was upgrading from a clock-doubled machine >>>(instead of clock-tripled like the 701C). >>> >>>You say you don't like WInstone, but you don't say what benchmarks you >>>use instead. >>> >>>- David R. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>...................................................................... >> Axel Hartmann . >> Paper Summer : 30 Kellog Ave; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . >> Voice only : +1 (413) 256 - 6264 . >> E-Mail : Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . >> Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . >>...................................................................... >> >> > Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 02:42:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA164407733; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 02:42:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24697; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 02:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 1 Aug 1997 02:40:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24614; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 02:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (root@rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.33.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24604; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 02:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de by rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA75084; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:40:52 +0200 Received: from localhost by plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de; (5.65/imdm-1.1b) id AA02777; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:41:45 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:41:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thorsten Jaekel Reply-To: Thorsten Jaekel To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: iomega ZIP vs. JAZ In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: University Hospital Eppendorf / Hamburg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I have a TP 750 with 24 MB RAM and a 1.3 GB harddrive. I have been using both ZIP and JAZ drives with it for a year now, and everything works just fine. I use MS DOS 6.20 and WfW 3.11 and a Panasonic PCMCIA SCSI card - the one that came with the KXL-D740 CD ROM, running the Panasonic point enabler (no card and socket services), the Panasonic supplied ASPI driver and the iomega guest driver (one guest lets you use both ZIP and JAZ at the same time). Oh, I didn't mention that both ZIP and JAZ drives are external SCSI, of course. I didn't need any support from Iomega, so I don't know about that. Also, I have no experience with Win95 (DOS and W3.1 are easy to troubleshoot on the road, and they run stably on my TP and do everything I need). If you have any specific questions contact me by e-mail. Thorsten Jaekel jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 04:04:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA185222673; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 04:04:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02001; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 04:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 1 Aug 1997 04:02:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01846; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 04:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01821; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 04:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.147.64.67]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA15345 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:01:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 04:02:29 -0400 From: "David G. Fortman" <"x3harley@worldnet.att.net"@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: "x3harley@worldnet.att.net"@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Win95 on 750P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19970801080139.AAA15345@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I have been recieving the thinkpad forum for about a month now, and have my first question. But first I will tell you about myself as well as my computers. My first intro to computers was when my father bought a Commodore 64. That was in the early 80's. My first IBM compatible was a Zenith 8088 XT based laptop! Two 3.5" floppies and no hard drive, it did duty as a word processor. (Note: Got the Zenith at a garage sale for $80 four years ago.) Now I have a 166 Pentium desktop and a 750P. I would like to put Win95 on the 750, and would like to know if there are any special problems I may have to deal with. (The 750 has 20 megs memory, and a 540 meg hd.) I will be doing a complete backup of the HD, so should anything go wrong I'll have that. Thanks in advance, Dave Fortman Thinkpad believer and user From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 08:50:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA252489839; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:50:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17473; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:48:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17380; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eastgate.cyberway.com.sg (eastgate.cyberway.com.sg [203.116.1.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17370; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (d123155.ppp123.cyberway.com.sg [203.116.123.155]) by eastgate.cyberway.com.sg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16836; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:48:33 +0800 (SST) Message-Id: <199708011248.UAA16836@eastgate.cyberway.com.sg> Reply-To: From: "Poh Kian Hock" To: , Subject: Re: Win95 on 750P Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:49:19 +0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't know about Thinkpads in particular but in gerneral when upgrading machines to Win95 you should take note of the following just before the upgrade/installation: 1. Disable virus checking in startup files, and CMOS setting 2. Remove unnecessary drivers from config.sys & autoexec.bat 3. Scan hard disk for virus 4. Check hard disk for errors, bad sectors 5. (optional) Run a defrag. software on your hard disk 6. Disable power management in CMOS and startup files Hope it helps. KianHock ---------- > From: David G. Fortman <"x3harley@worldnet.att.net"@worldnet.att.net> > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Win95 on 750P > Date: 01 August 1997 16:02 > > Hi all, > > I have been recieving the thinkpad forum for about a month now, and have > my first question. But first I will tell you about myself as well as my > computers. > > My first intro to computers was when my father bought a Commodore 64. > That was in the early 80's. My first IBM compatible was a Zenith 8088 > XT based laptop! Two 3.5" floppies and no hard drive, it did duty as > a word processor. (Note: Got the Zenith at a garage sale for $80 four > years ago.) > > Now I have a 166 Pentium desktop and a 750P. I would like to put Win95 > on the 750, and would like to know if there are any special problems > I may have to deal with. (The 750 has 20 megs memory, and a 540 meg > hd.) > > I will be doing a complete backup of the HD, so should anything go > wrong I'll have that. > > Thanks in advance, > > Dave Fortman > Thinkpad believer and user From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 10:13:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274524804; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:13:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22523; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:12:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22437; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22424; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool067-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool067-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.217]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA17569; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 07:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708011411.HAA17569@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jww@blueridge.net" , "\"\"x3harley@worldnet.att.net\"@worldnet.att.net\"" <"x3harley@worldnet.att.net"@worldnet.att.net> Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 01 Aug 97 07:08:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: 750 info/Win95 on 750P Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry if this is hard to read, but I didn't have time to format it. This came from the ThinkPad reference, and has several parts. Regards, Paul =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DSTANDARD FEATURES=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Choose the section to which you wish to jump, below: Sections Architecture/Memory Standard Features Disk/Tape Storage Expansion/Operating = Systems Keyboard/Security Physical/Environment= al/Misc Return to the ThinkPad 750/750C/750Cs/750P header. DESCRIPTION 9545-006/008/206/208= /306/308/40C/40E STANDARD FEATURES ROM Size 128KB ROM Shadowing Yes Suspend/Resume Feature Yes Power Saving Modes Supported Standby/Suspend/Hibe= rnate Setup/Power Management S/W Yes Advanced Power Management Support (APM) Yes Speed Setting Switch/Software Yes BIOS Extensions Stored on Disk No Setup & Diags Stored on Disk No LCD Indicators Yes Math Coprocessor Integrated in proces= sor Coprocessor Speed 33MHz STANDARD GRAPHICS VGA (LCD) (640x480x2= 56) 8/16/32-bit Controller 16 Local Bus Yes Bus Master No Video RAM (VRAM) 1MB Maximum Graphics with LCD VGA EXTERNAL MONITOR PORT Yes Concurrent Use with External Monitor Yes - Both are activ= e Type of Monitor Supported VGA/SVGA (9z) Maximum Resolution 1024x768 256-Colors = (NI) BUILT-IN DISPLAY (750,750P) Monochrome LCD Dimensions (Diag/H x W) 9.5"/5.75" x 7.6" # of Gray Shades 64 (640x480) Backlit/Sidelit Back Supertwisted Yes Contrast Ratio 18:1 Video Chip Set Western Digital 90C2= 4 Non-interlaced Yes Detachable No (pivots down over= keyboard) Pen-Enabled Yes (750P) Pen Digitizer Type (750P) Electromagnetic Tethered/Untethered Untethered Battery Required/Supplied No/No Upgradeable to Pen (750) Yes Upgradeable to Color (750) Yes (See 750C below = for specs) Screen Tilt 180=F8 Reverse Video Switch In software Large Pointer Option Yes BUILT-IN DISPLAY (750Cs) Color LCD Technology Super Twisted Nemati= c (STN) Passive Matrix Single/Dual-Scan Dual-Scan Dimensions (Diag/H x W) 9.5"/5.75 x 7.6" # of Colors Concurrently 256 (640x480) Color Palette 4096 Colors Contrast Ratio 20:1 Video Chip Set Western Digital 90C2= 4 Detachable No Screen Tilt 180=F8 Built-in Display (750C) Color LCD Technology Thin-Film Transistor= (TFT) Active Matrix Dimensions (Diag/H x W) 10.4"/6.3" x 8.3" # of Colors Concurrently 256 (640x480) Color Palette 262,144 Colors Contrast Ratio 100:1 Video Chip Set Western Digital 90C2= 4 Non-interlaced Yes Detachable No Screen Tilt 180=F8 MULTIMEDIA FEATURES (3f) 16-bit Audio Codec Chip Built-In Yes Microphone Optional Speaker Built-In Yes Stereo Audio/Voice Playback Yes Stereo Input Jack Yes Stereo Headphone/Speaker Jack Yes Volume Control Yes Audio Drivers DOS, Windows, OS/2 (= except Win-OS/2) TV Tuner (750C only) Optional Analog-to Digital Video Adapter Optional ( requires = Dock I) RS232C Serial Ports 1 UART Chip Used NS16550AF-compatible= Maximum Speed (bits/second) 19,200 FIFO Mode Enabled No Supports DMA Data Transfer No Maximum Ports Supported 1 INTERNAL MODEM Optional PCMCIA Hayes-compatible Yes Asynchronous/Synchronous Yes/Yes Fax capable Yes Group III compatible Yes Fax software included Yes Send/Receive Faxes Yes/Yes Maximum speed (bps): Data/Fax 14.4/14.4 PCMCIA PORT REPLICATOR/DOCKING UNIT CONNECTORYes POINTING DEVICE PORTS 1 Built-in TrackPoint II on Keybd Yes PS/2-Type Mouse Port Yes PARALLEL PRINTER PORTS 1 (Enhanced) Bi-directional Yes Supports DMA Data Transfer No Maximum Ports Supported 1 EXTERNAL KEYBOARD PORT (4v) EXTERNAL DISKETTE DRIVE PORT Yes (2o) SCSI PORT Optional (7q)(7r) CMOS CLOCK Yes CMOS Battery Life (years) 5 Replaceable Yes POWER SOURCE Battery/AC Adapter Both AC Adapter Yes, 40W (Optional 5= 0W) Quick Charger Optional Deep Discharge Feature Yes Car Cigarette Lighter Adapter Yes Number of Batteries Supplied 1 Battery Type (Standard) Nickel Metal Hydride= (NiMH) Battery Pack Specs 3.3AHr @ 9.6V Length of Battery Charge: Approx. 3.4-8 hrs (7= 50C) Approx. 3.5-8 hrs (7= 50Cs) Approx. 5.1-12 hrs (= 750P) Approx. 5.3-12 hrs (= 750) Battery Charges While on A/C Yes Time to Recharge Battery 1.5-2.0 hrs External Rechargeable Power Pack Optional Battery Discharge Utility Included Yes Non-Disruptive Battery Exchange Yes =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DARCHITECTURE/MEMORY=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Choose the section to which you wish to jump, below: Sections Architecture/Memory Standard Features Disk/Tape Storage Expansion/Operating = Systems Keyboard/Security Physical/Environment= al/Misc Return to the ThinkPad 750/750C/750Cs/750P header. DESCRIPTION 9545-006/008/206/208= /306/308/40C/40E ARCHITECTURE Bus Type AT (ISA) Microprocessor Intel 486SL Uses 3.3 Volt Technology Yes Clock Doubling No Clock Speed (MHz) 33 Internal/External Cache Internal (4u) Cache Size 8K Instruction Set 32 bit Addressing 32 Bit I/O Channel Width 32 bit Interrupt Levels 16 Type Edge-triggered Shareable No DMA Channels 7 DMA Burst Mode Supported Yes Bus Masters Supported No Upgradeable Processor Complex No Interleaved Memory No Matched Memory Cycle No (5i) Page Memory Logic Yes MEMORY Standard (System Board) 4MB (2u) Maximum (System Board) 20MB (7e) Maximum (System) 20MB (7e) Total # of Motherboard Memory Sockets 1 (4s) # of Motherboard Memory Sockets Available 1 Memory Chip Speed (ns) 70 Memory Chip Type IC DRAM Access to Memory Sockets Under keyboard Wait States 0 Memory Used: Motherboard 2MB/4MB/8MB/16MB IC = cards =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DDISK/TAPE STORAGE=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Choose the section to which you wish to jump, below: Sections Architecture/Memory Standard Features Disk/Tape Storage Expansion/Operating = Systems Keyboard/Security Physical/Environment= al/Misc Return to the ThinkPad 750/750C/750Cs/750P header. DESCRIPTION 9545-006/008/206/208= /306/308/40C/40E DISK STORAGE Internal Disk/Tape Drive Bays 2 # of 2.5"/3.5"/5.25" Bays 1/1/0 # of 2.5"/3.5"/5.25" Bays Available 0/0/0 # of PCMCIA Slots 1 or 2 (4f) # of PCMCIA Type I/II/III Slots 0/0/1 (4f) PCMCIA Spec Supported V2.01/V2.10 PCMCIA Socket Services Spec V2.0 Diskette Drives Standard 1x2.88MB Media Sensing Yes Optional Diskette Drives No Internal Drives Supported 1 (2o) External Drives Supported 1 (2o) Maximum # Diskette Drives 1 Hard Disk Drives Standard 1x170MB (006/206/306= /40C) 1x340MB (008/208/308= /40E) Maximum Number of Internal HD 1 (7g)(7q)(7r) Drive Type IDE Encoding Method "No ID Sectoring" Drive Form Factor 2.5" Average Access Rate (ms) 15 (170MB) 14 (340MB) Average Latency (ms) 7.9 Sector Buffer Size 32K Hard Disk Data Transfer Rate Inner Diameter/Outer Diam. (MBytes/sec) 16.2/24.0 (170MB) Inner Diameter/Outer Diam. (MBytes/sec) 20.0/32.0 (340MB) Rotational Speed (RPMs) ???? # of Heads 4 # of Platters 2 Sectors per Track Inner Diameter/Outer Diameter 48/72 (170MB) Inner Diameter/Outer Diameter 60/90 (340MB) # of Cylinders 1575 (170MB) 2263 (340MB) Interleave Factor 1:1 Shock (Gs): Operating ?? Non-operating ??? Controller Type IDE Auto Park Yes Optional HD Sizes Available 170MB/340MB/540MB/81= 0MB (removable) (4o)(7g)(7q)(7r) Maximum Internal HD Capacity 1x810MB (3n)(7g)(7q)= (7r) TAPE STORAGE Internal Tape Drive Support Via ThinkPad Dock I = or Dock II bay External Tape Drive Support Via parallel port, o= r ThinkPad Dock I or Dock II bay or SCSI port = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DEXPANSION/OPERATING S= YSTEMS=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Choose the section to which you wish to jump, below: Sections Architecture/Memory Standard Features Disk/Tape Storage Expansion/Operating = Systems Keyboard/Security Physical/Environment= al/Misc Return to the ThinkPad 750/750C/750Cs/750P header. DESCRIPTION 9545-006/008/206/208= /306/308/40C/40E BUILT-IN EXPANSION SLOTS Total "Adapter" Slots 0 Available Slots 0 Maximum RAM with Available Slots 20MB # of Slots Required for Maximum RAM 0 # of Slots Avail after Maximum RAM 0 # of PCMCIA Slots 1 or 2 (4f) # of PCMCIA Type 1/2/3 Slots 0/0/1 (4f) (7i) EXTERNAL EXPANSION SUPPORT IBM 3545 ThinkPad Dock I System Yes (7q) IBM 3546 ThinkPad Dock II System Yes (7r) IBM 3547 ThinkPad SelectaDock I No (7v) | IBM ThinkPad Replicator Model I Yes (7o) IBM ThinkPad Replicator Model II Yes (7p) IBM ThinkPad SelectaDock Base Model I Yes (7u) | OPERATING SYSTEM SUPPORT IBM PC/DOS 5.02 or later J5.02/V or later PenDOS 2.01 or later= (750P) 6.1 or later IBM OS/2 2.1 with APAR fixes = PJ09087 and PJ09770 (avail from 800-992-= 4777) IBM Pen for OS/2 1.0= (750P) Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 10:47:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA284146839; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:47:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24547; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:45:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24441; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com (dogmead.excelsior.com [198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24431; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA07032; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:44:33 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199708011444.KAA07032@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: Win95 on 750P To: x3harley@worldnet.att.net Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19970801080139.AAA15345@default> from "David G. Fortman" at Aug 1, 97 04:02:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Now I have a 166 Pentium desktop and a 750P. I would like to put Win95 > on the 750, and would like to know if there are any special problems > I may have to deal with. (The 750 has 20 megs memory, and a 540 meg > hd.) I'm running Win95 with Pen Extensions on my 750P without any problems. Well, there's one annoyance: using the 256 colour video driver seems impose too much processing load on the handwriting recognition code, insofar as the drawn ink isn't echoed as you draw it. I've heard rumours that the Pen Extensions don't work with Win95 OSR2, but I haven't tried myself. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 10:53:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA285757234; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:53:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25034; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:53:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24938; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24921; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA32556; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:03:09 -0600 Message-Id: <33E1F98C.BF6BCDF1@wwsi.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:58:20 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury , thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Cardbus vs. PCMCIA X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708010157.SAA27027@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The new 765D has CardBus capability. Yes, it's faster. See, for example, http://www.tdksystems.com/PRODINFO/PRODDTL/cardbus.htm. It's basically PCI for a portable computer. -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 11:04:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA289037898; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:04:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25997; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:03:59 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25868; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id LAA24012; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com (dub-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.206.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23444; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.2) id KAA01080 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: 01 Aug 97 10:27:17 EDT From: William Tsang <72246.1360@CompuServe.COM> To: ThinkPad listserv Subject: Re: IBM Notebook hard drives Message-Id: <970801142716_72246.1360_HHB60-1@CompuServe.COM> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> he said that *all* the notebook hard drives are made by Toshiba. I find this >> hard to believe, except for those drives that say MADE FOR IBM, rather than >> MADE BY IBM, which would be misleading if it were in fact made by Toshiba. The technician didn't know what he was talking about. IBM's SSD (Storage Systems Division) is one of the biggest manufacturers of hard disks (including 2.5" notebook HDD's) in the world. There are probably a few ThinkPad's which use Toshiba drives, but many Toshiba and Compaq notebooks use IBM drives. Check out: http://www.storage.ibm.com/storage/hardsoft/diskdrdl.htm - Bill Tsang From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 11:06:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA289588018; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:06:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26339; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:05:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26053; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com (dogmead.excelsior.com [198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26039; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA07149; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:03:29 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199708011503.LAA07149@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: Cardbus vs. PCMCIA To: ssh@wwsi.com (Steve Hultquist) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: pkhoury@earthlink.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <33E1F98C.BF6BCDF1@wwsi.com> from "Steve Hultquist" at Aug 1, 97 08:58:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > The new 765D has CardBus capability. Yes, it's faster. See, for example, > http://www.tdksystems.com/PRODINFO/PRODDTL/cardbus.htm. It's basically > PCI for a portable computer. The 760E also has CardBus support (at least according to the manual and the ThinkPad features program) which can be used under Win95 OSR2.x. I haven't tried this myself, though, as I don't have any CardBus cards. As Steve says, it's kind of like a PCI-based version of PCMCIA, supporting much higher transfer rates, etc. It also supports low-voltage cards and probably a bunch of other things, too. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 15:44:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073594670; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:44:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14669; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:38:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14289; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14278; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19402 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:38:10 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC9E91.1D11BEC0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:39:35 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "x3harley@worldnet.att.net" , Tim Tyhurst Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Win95 on 750P Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:36:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 33 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm interested in using a Pen with a touch screen on a portable laptop or tablet. How well does it work? Is it a good mouse replacement? What thinkpads have Pens? 730T, 730TE, 750P? - or others? How well does it work with Win95? TIA, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com ---------- From: Tim Tyhurst[SMTP:tim@excelsior.com] Sent: 1997 August 1 - Friday 10:45 To: x3harley@worldnet.att.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 on 750P > Now I have a 166 Pentium desktop and a 750P. I would like to put Win95 > on the 750, and would like to know if there are any special problems > I may have to deal with. (The 750 has 20 megs memory, and a 540 meg > hd.) I'm running Win95 with Pen Extensions on my 750P without any problems. Well, there's one annoyance: using the 256 colour video driver seems impose too much processing load on the handwriting recognition code, insofar as the drawn ink isn't echoed as you draw it. I've heard rumours that the Pen Extensions don't work with Win95 OSR2, but I haven't tried myself. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 17:50:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA114162248; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:50:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20253; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:46:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20135; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (root@amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.111.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20125; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.113.201]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09964 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.6.4) id RAA17060; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:46:50 -0400 (EDT) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: getting a mutant 560 to hibernate From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 01 Aug 1997 17:46:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Poh Kian Hock"'s message of "Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:49:19 +0800" Message-Id: Lines: 50 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.64/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Howdy- As you can probably guess, IBM's support does not want to touch this one (though to their credit, they did talk with me more than I expected and sent a question up to level 2 that I am waiting to hear back on). Here's the partition configuration of my TP560's 2GB drive: 1 - 1.2G Window's NT NTFS partition 2 - 800MB Extended partition w/a single logical partition holding a large Linux ext2 filesystem 3 - 55 MB FAT partition (almost empty) (created w/PartitionMagic and glued together nicely via System Commander) My goal is to get this puppy to hibernate to a file on the FAT partition. I've tried unsuccessfully to create the hibernation file two different ways: 1) ThinkPad Features for NT, running under NT4.0: In this case, it sees the FAT partition as drive D: (as it should). Appears to be making the file just fine. Gets to the end and offers this incredibly helpful message "File operation could not be completed". 2) Booted with a floppy to DOS, tried to use PS2 program Failed almost immediately with a complaint about not being able to create the file on the external (bzzt!) or compressed (bzzzt! no compression in use) drive. Does anyone have any other ideas? Thanks a bunch in advance. Respectfully, David N. Blank-Edelman Director of Technology College of Computer Science Northeastern University -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM+JZMDVY18Ov2TldAQG1gAP/emDkI5ge97X9ZfP1XYCxvK90WMZeXg+Y Sm6SJfuxBlH7yaJ1Au8y3OMnvfpl6BEKuHnQ6w8pxd4lTYpjRBLlJ2QzPtACZuLa S7XVfb6O6MgUXh2M/cINwE4E+ld/lY1EQhm2UO0gIK5sbdbIw3MzwEQPZ3ZnK9KX VI5GxfSR07Y= =DWHL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 21:36:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176525781; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:36:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26064; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:33:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25986; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bort.mv.net (root@bort.mv.net [192.80.84.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25976; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.msc.com (meisner.mv.com [199.125.92.85]) by bort.mv.net (8.8.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA11182 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.50] by server.msc.com (NTMail 3.02.07) with ESMTP id na000975 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:37:46 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970801202229.01e58860@server.msc.com> X-Sender: steve@server.msc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 20:22:29 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Meisner Subject: New TP 760ED owner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Evaluation version at server.msc.com Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As a new ThinkPad 760 owner, I've landed up with a few questions I need some help on. I have not yet called IBM on these (it is Friday evening and assume Ill have to wait until Monday AM to talk to someone. Also, I like to get some advanced info before I speak with the manufacturer) First, sometimes while the machine is running, disk access will cause the screen to slightly flicker. Enough to be noticed, but not enough to interfere with the operation. But it is annoying...does this happen with other TP's? Second, the bottom gets extremely hot while using it. Again, is this normal? It seems to be a large waste of energy (since it takes energy to create heat, and there's a lot being created!!) Does anyone know if IBM supplies a recovery CD to completely rebuild the machine to get back to the original condition as when it was shipped? For Win95 and/or WinNT? And last, I'm using the TP with a Dock II station -- NT 4.0 can't detect when the system is docked. Is that because something is wrong, or a lack of plug-n-play support? Thanks for ANY help!! Steve ------------------------------- Steve Meisner Meisner Software Consulting Office: 603-673-6000 Fax: 603-889-7921 Pager: 617-362-1184 (MA) 603-596-2344 (NH) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 1 22:20:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA187818453; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 22:20:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27206; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 22:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 1 Aug 1997 22:17:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27119; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 22:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27107; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 22:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02716; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:27:12 -0600 Message-Id: <33E299DD.AA1626F5@wwsi.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 20:22:21 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Meisner Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New TP 760ED owner X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.32.19970801202229.01e58860@server.msc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Steve Meisner wrote: > First, sometimes while the machine is running, disk access will cause the > screen to slightly flicker. Enough to be noticed, but not enough to > interfere with the operation. But it is annoying...does this happen with > other TP's? I did not see that with my ED. Is it with the stock AC adapter or a different one? > Second, the bottom gets extremely hot while using it. Again, is this > normal? It seems to be a large waste of energy (since it takes energy to > create heat, and there's a lot being created!!) That's due to the processor in the box. Someone posted something here a bit ago about patching the BIOS to help with this, but I didn't check out the details (sorry). > Does anyone know if IBM supplies a recovery CD to completely rebuild the > machine to get back to the original condition as when it was shipped? For > Win95 and/or WinNT? They are with the X and 765 series, but I don't think they have them for the E series. > And last, I'm using the TP with a Dock II station -- NT 4.0 can't detect > when the system is docked. Is that because something is wrong, or a lack of > plug-n-play support? Welcome to NT. You can have multiple boot-up configurations so that you can select docked or not, however. -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 2 05:25:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294333944; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 05:25:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15723; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 05:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 2 Aug 1997 05:21:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14733; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 05:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14652; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 05:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool074-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool074-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.74]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA16093; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 02:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708020921.CAA16093@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad listserv" , "William Tsang" <72246.1360@CompuServe.COM> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 97 02:18:35 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM Notebook hard drives Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 01 Aug 97 10:27:17 EDT, William Tsang wrote: >>> he said that *all* the notebook hard drives are made by Toshiba. I find this >>> hard to believe, except for those drives that say MADE FOR IBM, rather than >>> MADE BY IBM, which would be misleading if it were in fact made by Toshiba. > >The technician didn't know what he was talking about. IBM's SSD (Storage >Systems >Division) is one of the biggest manufacturers of hard disks (including 2.5" >notebook >HDD's) in the world. There are probably a few ThinkPad's which use Toshiba >drives, but many >Toshiba and Compaq notebooks use IBM drives. > >Check out: http://www.storage.ibm.com/storage/hardsoft/diskdrdl.htm > >- Bill Tsang > > > I actually didn't believe him, but thought that it was interesting enough to post though. Also, is there any software that can update any of IBMs' drives' firmware? I have an IBM 2.5" drive (from my dead 355C) that is currently used in a custom system I built myself, and it only works as the second drive, but not the first. The first drive is of the same series, except it's a 340MB from a 755CE. I was just wondering, because this system has no case at all, and it's quite risky just stacking the floppy, CD-ROM, and these two hard drives on top of the power supply, because accidents DO happen. And the two drives barely have any room next to each other. Thanks. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 2 05:27:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294814046; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 05:27:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15846; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 05:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 2 Aug 1997 05:24:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15772; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 05:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15745; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 05:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool074-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool074-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.74]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA16151; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 02:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708020924.CAA16151@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Hultquist" , "Tim Tyhurst" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 02 Aug 97 02:21:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cardbus vs. PCMCIA Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:03:29 -0400 (EDT), Tim Tyhurst wrote: >> The new 765D has CardBus capability. Yes, it's faster. See, for example, >> http://www.tdksystems.com/PRODINFO/PRODDTL/cardbus.htm. It's basically >> PCI for a portable computer. > >The 760E also has CardBus support (at least according to the manual and >the ThinkPad features program) which can be used under Win95 OSR2.x. >I haven't tried this myself, though, as I don't have any CardBus cards. >As Steve says, it's kind of like a PCI-based version of PCMCIA, supporting >much higher transfer rates, etc. It also supports low-voltage cards and >probably a bunch of other things, too. > >tim > Sounds like a cool innovation to me. I just haven't heard much about it probably because I'm still partially in the world of Microchannel and PC/XTs (actually, I really haven't seen any articles on what Cardbus is, though). Thanks by the way. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 2 16:49:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA155124964; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 16:49:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26507; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 16:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 2 Aug 1997 16:43:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26361; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 16:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from megsinet.net (megspo.megsinet.net [208.150.39.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26346; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 16:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from randolphmax2-6.megsinet.net(really [208.133.78.134]) by megsinet.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 15:42:38 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.95 1997-May-7 #2 built 1997-May-27) Received: by randolphmax2-6.megsinet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BC9F5A.C58DAA40@randolphmax2-6.megsinet.net>; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 15:43:06 -0500 Message-Id: <01BC9F5A.C58DAA40@randolphmax2-6.megsinet.net> From: Dennis Pantazis To: "'Gerry Prosser'" Cc: "'tp'" Subject: RE: xircom 33.6 modem/combo ethernet card Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 15:22:45 -0500 Encoding: 7 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am using this card in a 560, it works flawlessly, both as modem and eternet. As I am getting late on this thread: 1. Which card is it, the US or the International? 2. Which os? Get the newest drivers from Xircom. 3. if under DOS/Win3.x, I think you have to set the cards I/O etc with the driver options in the autoexec and config files. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 3 04:11:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA021185876; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:11:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13944; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:05:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13420; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (dns01.ops.usa.net [204.68.24.137]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13407; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7946 invoked by alias); 3 Aug 1997 08:09:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 7931 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1997 08:09:27 -0000 Received: from isdn025.tu-graz.ac.at (HELO pseudolus) (129.27.240.25) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 1997 08:09:27 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970802235403.0077d890@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: geige@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 23:54:03 +0200 To: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Dale Chao Subject: Re: getting a mutant 560 to hibernate In-Reply-To: References: <"Poh Kian Hock"'s message of "Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:49:19 +0800"> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I struggled mightily to create a hibernate file on my TP701 under OSR2 with FAT32 once. I finally had to set a small FAT16 partition as active with FDISK. That worked fine. So, have you tried that with your FAT partition? I'm not sure this approach would work as I don't know if your TP would still see the file once you set the boot partition back to NT... g'luck, Dale At 05:46 PM 8/1/97 -0400, David N. Blank-Edelman wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Howdy- > As you can probably guess, IBM's support does not want to touch this > one (though to their credit, they did talk with me more than I > expected and sent a question up to level 2 that I am waiting to hear > back on). > > Here's the partition configuration of my TP560's 2GB drive: > > 1 - 1.2G Window's NT NTFS partition > 2 - 800MB Extended partition w/a single logical partition holding > a large Linux ext2 filesystem > 3 - 55 MB FAT partition (almost empty) > > (created w/PartitionMagic and glued together nicely via System Commander) > > My goal is to get this puppy to hibernate to a file on the FAT > partition. I've tried unsuccessfully to create the hibernation file > two different ways: > > 1) ThinkPad Features for NT, running under NT4.0: > In this case, it sees the FAT partition as drive D: (as it > should). Appears to be making the file just fine. Gets to > the end and offers this incredibly helpful message "File > operation could not be completed". > > 2) Booted with a floppy to DOS, tried to use PS2 program > Failed almost immediately with a complaint about not being > able to create the file on the external (bzzt!) or compressed > (bzzzt! no compression in use) drive. > > >Does anyone have any other ideas? Thanks a bunch in advance. > > Respectfully, > David N. Blank-Edelman > Director of Technology > College of Computer Science > Northeastern University > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.2 > >iQCVAwUBM+JZMDVY18Ov2TldAQG1gAP/emDkI5ge97X9ZfP1XYCxvK90WMZeXg+Y >Sm6SJfuxBlH7yaJ1Au8y3OMnvfpl6BEKuHnQ6w8pxd4lTYpjRBLlJ2QzPtACZuLa >S7XVfb6O6MgUXh2M/cINwE4E+ld/lY1EQhm2UO0gIK5sbdbIw3MzwEQPZ3ZnK9KX >VI5GxfSR07Y= >=DWHL >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California Primary Email: geige@usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 3 04:11:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA021255880; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:11:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13947; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:05:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13439; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (dns01.ops.usa.net [204.68.24.137]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13418; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7963 invoked by alias); 3 Aug 1997 08:09:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 7949 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1997 08:09:34 -0000 Received: from isdn025.tu-graz.ac.at (HELO pseudolus) (129.27.240.25) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 1997 08:09:34 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970802235644.0077e6b8@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: geige@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 23:56:44 +0200 To: Steve Meisner , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Dale Chao Subject: Re: New TP 760ED owner In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970801202229.01e58860@server.msc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Only a couple of issues addressed: At 08:22 PM 8/1/97 -0400, Steve Meisner wrote: >As a new ThinkPad 760 owner, I've landed up with a few questions I need >some help on. I have not yet called IBM on these (it is Friday evening and . . . > >Second, the bottom gets extremely hot while using it. Again, is this >normal? It seems to be a large waste of energy (since it takes energy to >create heat, and there's a lot being created!!) > Yes, sometime the bottom of my TP701 gets pretty hot. No idea why. >Does anyone know if IBM supplies a recovery CD to completely rebuild the >machine to get back to the original condition as when it was shipped? For >Win95 and/or WinNT? > I tried to get OEM software from them once I discovered I didn't have a backup (oops), and was told I would have to send the machine back to IBM and they would charge me $189 to reinstall the original software!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California Primary Email: geige@usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 3 06:31:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA052344296; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 06:31:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20794; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 06:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 3 Aug 1997 06:23:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20682; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 06:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunset.ma.huji.ac.il (sunset.ma.huji.ac.il [132.64.32.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20672; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 06:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hart@localhost) by sunset.ma.huji.ac.il (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA27695 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:25:07 +0300 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:25:07 +0300 (IDT) From: Sergiu Hart X-Sender: hart@sunset.ma.huji.ac.il To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560 / parallel port cd-rom Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu [] i have trouble installing a parallel port cd-rom drive on my 560 with windows 95. i have tried changing the parallel port to ecp, epp, bi-directional, 3bc and 378 (both through the thinkpad utilities, and also the device manager) -- but no success. the drive did install with no problems on a desktop with windows 95. any suggestions? thanx! bye, --sergiu-- -------------------------------------- http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~hart -------------------------------------- bye, --sergiu-- ============================================================== Prof. Sergiu Hart Department of Mathematics and Department of Economics MAIL: Center for Rationality and Interactive Decision Theory The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Feldman Building, Givat Ram 91904 Jerusalem, Israel FAX: +972-2-6513681 PHONE: +972-2-6584135/6 E-MAIL: hart@math.huji.ac.il WWW: http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~hart ============================================================== From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 3 13:55:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151820918; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:55:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27716; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:52:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27634; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usc.edu (usc.edu [128.125.253.136]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27624; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hbprft.usc.edu (hbprft.usc.edu [128.125.37.60]) by usc.edu (8.8.4/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id KAA01289 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 10:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (comserv-e-71.usc.edu [128.125.222.215]) by hbprft.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id KAA01662 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 10:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970803105156.006969ac@hbprft.usc.edu> X-Sender: annala@hbprft.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 10:51:56 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Linux on TP760CD? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Who has current XF86_SVGA and XF86Config for TP760CD? I tried a couple of versions on net of XF86Config with my Slackware '96 CDROM -- none of them worked. I end up using tvga8900cl -- and I get what looks like some 640x480 resolution double scanned so everything is double in size and when moving cursor left to right it traverses screen left to right twice. I have TFT (not dual scan) LCD. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 3 16:06:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA182378789; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:06:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00618; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:03:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00537; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (root@amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.111.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00522; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.113.201]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20483; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.6.4) id QAA22108; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:03:40 -0400 (EDT) To: Dale Chao Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: getting a mutant 560 to hibernate References: <"Poh Kian Hock"'s message of "Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:49:19 +0800"> <3.0.3.32.19970802235403.0077d890@pop.netaddress.com> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 03 Aug 1997 16:03:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: Dale Chao's message of "Sat, 02 Aug 1997 23:54:03 +0200" Message-Id: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.64/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Howdy- Thanks for the response. All of my attempts have been to create the hibernate file to the FAT16 partition (which is seen by NT). Peace, dNb From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 4 00:42:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA005949764; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:42:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19690; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:36:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAB19580; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19570; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool064-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool064-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.64]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11469; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708040436.VAA11469@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Alexander J. Annala" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 03 Aug 97 21:33:47 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux on TP760CD? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 03 Aug 1997 10:51:56 +0100, Alexander J. Annala wrote: >Who has current XF86_SVGA and XF86Config for TP760CD? >I tried a couple of versions on net of XF86Config with >my Slackware '96 CDROM -- none of them worked. I end >up using tvga8900cl -- and I get what looks like some >640x480 resolution double scanned so everything is >double in size and when moving cursor left to right >it traverses screen left to right twice. I have TFT >(not dual scan) LCD. > The TFT (as opposed to DSTN) doesn't as much as what t ype of video chipset you have. If you read one of the FAQs on XFree86, it should talk very technically about chipsets in there. I got lots of info in there about the Cirrus Logic chipset on my server when I put Slackware on that, and about the Chips & Tech. chipset in my 701. Anyways, it can tell you about support, pros and cons, etc. Also, when you setup X11, exit X11 and type X11Setup from the command prompt, and you will be asked to press enter to switch to graphics mode. This is what happened when I was setting up another Slackware term. this weekend. It's basically a graphical setup. Try it and tell me how it goes. Regards, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 4 00:56:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA009690595; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:56:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20227; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:52:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19997; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19987; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool064-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool064-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.64]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10426; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708040452.VAA10426@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dale Chao" , "Steve Meisner" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 03 Aug 97 21:49:39 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New TP 760ED owner Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 02 Aug 1997 23:56:44 +0200, Dale Chao wrote: >Only a couple of issues addressed: > >At 08:22 PM 8/1/97 -0400, Steve Meisner wrote: >>As a new ThinkPad 760 owner, I've landed up with a few questions I need >>some help on. I have not yet called IBM on these (it is Friday evening and >. >. >. >> >>Second, the bottom gets extremely hot while using it. Again, is this >>normal? It seems to be a large waste of energy (since it takes energy to >>create heat, and there's a lot being created!!) >> >Yes, sometime the bottom of my TP701 gets pretty hot. No idea why. The same thing happens here, suprisingly, when I charge the battery, t doesn't get hot until the indicater says 100%. > >>Does anyone know if IBM supplies a recovery CD to completely rebuild the >>machine to get back to the original condition as when it was shipped? For >>Win95 and/or WinNT? >> >I tried to get OEM software from them once I discovered I didn't have a >backup (oops), and was told I would have to send the machine back to IBM >and they would charge me $189 to reinstall the original software!! > They used to make CDs for 40 bucks, but they discontinued them when I needed it. Fortuantely, someone on this list was kind enough to burn in a copy for me for a small charge, overall about 15 bucks or something, and it was worth it. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 4 01:00:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA011340856; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 01:00:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20513; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:57:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20391; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20381; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool064-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool064-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.64]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13132; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708040457.VAA13132@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dale Chao" , "David N. Blank-Edelman" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 03 Aug 97 21:54:37 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: getting a mutant 560 to hibernate Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 02 Aug 1997 23:54:03 +0200, Dale Chao wrote: I also had a struggle on this machine trying to get my hibernation file to be created in HPFS, although I heard IBM fixed this in the bios. Maybe they only fixed it where it recognizes it. I think that the BIOS only likes to recognize 16 bit FAT. I now have a 40MB partition (drive D:), with some small things and a 13MB hibernation file. Also, if it interests anyone, apparently when IBM says the hibernation file is to be the size of the RAM + 1 meg, I heard that the 1meg is for the video RAM. Paul >Hi, > >I struggled mightily to create a hibernate file on my TP701 under OSR2 with >FAT32 once. I finally had to set a small FAT16 partition as active with >FDISK. That worked fine. So, have you tried that with your FAT partition? >I'm not sure this approach would work as I don't know if your TP would >still see the file once you set the boot partition back to NT... > >g'luck, > Dale > > > >At 05:46 PM 8/1/97 -0400, David N. Blank-Edelman wrote: >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >>Howdy- >> As you can probably guess, IBM's support does not want to touch this >> one (though to their credit, they did talk with me more than I >> expected and sent a question up to level 2 that I am waiting to hear >> back on). >> >> Here's the partition configuration of my TP560's 2GB drive: >> >> 1 - 1.2G Window's NT NTFS partition >> 2 - 800MB Extended partition w/a single logical partition holding >> a large Linux ext2 filesystem >> 3 - 55 MB FAT partition (almost empty) >> >> (created w/PartitionMagic and glued together nicely via System Commander) >> >> My goal is to get this puppy to hibernate to a file on the FAT >> partition. I've tried unsuccessfully to create the hibernation file >> two different ways: >> >> 1) ThinkPad Features for NT, running under NT4.0: >> In this case, it sees the FAT partition as drive D: (as it >> should). Appears to be making the file just fine. Gets to >> the end and offers this incredibly helpful message "File >> operation could not be completed". >> >> 2) Booted with a floppy to DOS, tried to use PS2 program >> Failed almost immediately with a complaint about not being >> able to create the file on the external (bzzt!) or compressed >> (bzzzt! no compression in use) drive. >> >> >>Does anyone have any other ideas? Thanks a bunch in advance. >> >> Respectfully, >> David N. Blank-Edelman >> Director of Technology >> College of Computer Science >> Northeastern University >> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: 2.6.2 >> >>iQCVAwUBM+JZMDVY18Ov2TldAQG1gAP/emDkI5ge97X9ZfP1XYCxvK90WMZeXg+Y >>Sm6SJfuxBlH7yaJ1Au8y3OMnvfpl6BEKuHnQ6w8pxd4lTYpjRBLlJ2QzPtACZuLa >>S7XVfb6O6MgUXh2M/cINwE4E+ld/lY1EQhm2UO0gIK5sbdbIw3MzwEQPZ3ZnK9KX >>VI5GxfSR07Y= >>=DWHL >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dale Chao >Concord, California >Primary Email: geige@usa.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 4 17:03:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA268638632; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:03:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17708; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:55:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17160; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17088; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (96-76.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.76]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA26628; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:54:54 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199708042054.XAA26628@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 04 Aug 97 23:54:23 +0300 To: "Paul Khoury" In-Reply-To: <199708040457.VAA13132@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: getting a mutant 560 to hibernate X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.30a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 03 Aug 1997 at 09:54 PM you, "Paul Khoury" , said: >I also had a struggle on this machine trying to get my hibernation file >to be created in HPFS, although I heard IBM fixed this in the bios. >Maybe they only fixed it where it recognizes it. I think that the BIOS >only likes to recognize 16 bit FAT. I now have a 40MB partition (drive >D:), with some small things and a 13MB hibernation file. I'm not sure whether this is relevant for the 560 but someone recently mentioned a web page that contained lots of useful information related to the TP701 & Warp, including a REXX script that created a proper hibernation file on an HPFS partition. I tried it on the only partition (HPFS) of my TP701 and sure enough it did create the file and I was able to use hibernation thereafter. The URL was off www.secant.com/sipples/ Maybe the magic the REXX script does in HPFS can be adapted for NT's native file system (to address the original poster's problem). Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 4 23:54:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087183292; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:54:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00801; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:51:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00722; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (root@amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.111.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00712; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.113.201]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06888; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.6.4) id XAA27233; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:51:40 -0400 (EDT) To: Dominique Pivard Cc: "Paul Khoury" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: getting a mutant 560 to hibernate References: <199708042054.XAA26628@hauki.clinet.fi> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 04 Aug 1997 23:51:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: Dominique Pivard's message of "Mon, 04 Aug 97 23:54:23 +0300" Message-Id: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.64/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dominique Pivard writes: > The URL was off www.secant.com/sipples/ > > Maybe the magic the REXX script does in HPFS can be adapted for NT's > native file system (to address the original poster's problem). Being the original poster, I'm concerned that I was not clear. I am trying to hibernate to my plain ole' FAT16 partition (albeit while in NT or Linux), not to my NTFS partition. Any help towards this end is much appreciated. I will definitely check out this site, thanks for the reference! Peace, dNb From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 11:32:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA268125120; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:32:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01765; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:23:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01572; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from biff.ibm.net.il (root@biff.ibm.net.il [192.115.72.164]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01548; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gecko.spectral-imaging.com ([192.116.131.194] (may be forged)) by biff.ibm.net.il (8.8.6/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA05826 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:23:35 +0300 Received: from firefly (192.115.228.128) by gecko.spectral-imaging.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Tue, 05 Aug 1997 20:21:31 +0300 Message-Id: From: "David Wine" To: "Greg Terrell" , "Alexander J. Annala" Cc: Subject: Re: Maximum Memory Capacity for Thinkpad 760CD?? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:22:16 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have 56 in mine right now using 8 internal + 16 module from IBM + 32 module from Kingston. --David Wine -----Original Message----- From: Greg Terrell To: Alexander J. Annala Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, 31 July, 1997 3:45 pm Subject: Re: Maximum Memory Capacity for Thinkpad 760CD?? In message <3.0.1.32.19970731014645.00742c9c@hbprft.usc.edu>, "Alexander J. Annala" writes >What is the maximum memory capacity of Thinkpad 760CD? >Are there BIOS or other limits restricting use of high >density DRAM chips? > 48MB - the original 16MB plus 2 x 16MB. Can't answer your BIOS question. -- Greg Terrell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 12:26:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA285278392; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:26:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06361; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:24:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06264; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06254; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA16552 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:24:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:24:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Pen Services on 750P Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What a joke that turned out to be. Pen Services slows down my machine immensely. Even with 20MB RAM. I can barely complete the training because the processor pegs to 100% use and stops drawing pen ink. Even though writing is "enabled" in all applications, I haven't seen any that accept it. Ah for the old days of Win3.1 with pen code that worked pretty darn well in all apps and with only 4MB of RAM. Perhaps I can find a way to turn the Services off without uninstalling it. "He's even got a twin like me." -- They Might Be Giants, My Evil Twin Chris Schumann From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 12:55:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294150103; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:55:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09400; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:52:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09237; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09227; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool075-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool075-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.150]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA25636; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708051652.JAA25636@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Chris Schumann" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 09:49:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Pen Services on 750P Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:24:36 -0500 (CDT), Chris Schumann wrote: >What a joke that turned out to be. > >Pen Services slows down my machine immensely. Even with 20MB RAM. I can >barely complete the training because the processor pegs to 100% use and >stops drawing pen ink. > >Even though writing is "enabled" in all applications, I haven't seen any >that accept it. Ah for the old days of Win3.1 with pen code that worked >pretty darn well in all apps and with only 4MB of RAM. > >Perhaps I can find a way to turn the Services off without uninstalling it. > >"He's even got a twin like me." -- They Might Be Giants, My Evil Twin > Chris Schumann > > Which pen service are you using: DOS/Windows or OS/2? Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 12:57:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294910274; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:57:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09712; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:54:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09437; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09422; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA17961; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:55:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:55:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Pen Services on 750P In-Reply-To: <199708051652.JAA25636@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Oops. I should have stated that I tried out Pen Services 2.0 for Windows 95. On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:24:36 -0500 (CDT), Chris Schumann wrote: > > > >Even though writing is "enabled" in all applications, I haven't seen any > >that accept it. Ah for the old days of Win3.1 with pen code that worked > >pretty darn well in all apps and with only 4MB of RAM. ... > Which pen service are you using: DOS/Windows or OS/2? > > Paul > Regards, > > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 13:08:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA298290894; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:08:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10810; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:05:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10522; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10499; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool075-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool075-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.150]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00738; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708051705.KAA00738@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Chris Schumann" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 10:02:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Pen Services on 750P Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:55:07 -0500 (CDT), Chris Schumann wrote: >Oops. I should have stated that I tried out Pen Services 2.0 for Windows >95. > That's probably why the performance is so low. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 14:49:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA038716968; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:49:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16168; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:47:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15940; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com (dogmead.excelsior.com [198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15925; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA02367; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:46:06 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199708051846.OAA02367@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: Pen Services on 750P To: whizkid@dwave.net (Chris Schumann) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Chris Schumann" at Aug 5, 97 11:24:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > What a joke that turned out to be. > > Pen Services slows down my machine immensely. Even with 20MB RAM. I can > barely complete the training because the processor pegs to 100% use and > stops drawing pen ink. Try running in 16 colour mode, rather than 256. Made a big performance difference on my 750P, anyway -- at least the ink can be drawn. > Even though writing is "enabled" in all applications, I haven't seen any > that accept it. Ah for the old days of Win3.1 with pen code that worked > pretty darn well in all apps and with only 4MB of RAM. Yes, I agree that the 3.1 pen code works better. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 14:49:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA038776976; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:49:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16172; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:47:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15893; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from genesis.blueridge.net (genesis.blueridge.net [205.152.121.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15883; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jww.blueridge.net (rc-102.blueridge.net [205.152.121.102]) by genesis.blueridge.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20230; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:47:28 -0400 Message-Id: <33E77601.5719E974@blueridge.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 14:50:42 -0400 From: Will Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pen Services on 750P X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I read your post with interest. I can't find Pen Windows. Stupid, I know, but ignorance is possibly what drives this list. Anyway, I have a 750P that we've talked about before. Would you help me again and point me toward the files I need to get the pen to do anything? And more embarassing ignorance, what does one use the TP pen for? I hope the only *really* stupid question is the one unasked. Will From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 16:30:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070233020; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:30:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23376; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:28:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23171; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23160; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA54708 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:12:35 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCA1BC.C1E22C40@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:29:33 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: ThinkPad listserv Subject: RE: IBM Notebook hard drives Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:24:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 14 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu While we're on hard drives... I'd like to replace the 540Mb in my 701 with a 2.1Gb, and move the 540 to my wife's 340 (she has a 125 at the moment, working well with win95's disk compression. Comments? Advice? Also, is there a card for a desktop computer to access one of these notebook drives? Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 17:14:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA084925660; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:14:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27045; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:11:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26786; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from umunhum.Stanford.EDU (Umunhum.Stanford.EDU [171.64.74.80]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26774; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kevin@localhost) by umunhum.Stanford.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA09604 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:11:38 -0700 From: "Kevin W. Rudd" Message-Id: <199708052111.OAA09604@umunhum.Stanford.EDU> Subject: what to do with old hard disks (365xd/2.5"x12.7mm/810mb) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:11:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu continuing on similar vein as others.... i'm planning on getting a toshiba mk2103mav thinline 2.1gb drive (as many seem to be doing) and was curious if there was something useful to do with the 810mb drive that is currently hiding under the cd-rom.... it would be nice to be able to use this in addition to the new 2.1gb drive (i'd have liked the new 3+gb thinline from ibm but expect that when it finally comes available it won't be affordable. does anyone know about somehow adapting a hard drive to the cd-rom connector so that it can be used in lieu of the cd-rom? is there an aftermarket for used 2.5" drives? is it useful to have a shelf-spare? i'll probably get the 2.1gb drive anyway---i need the portable space---and may get a scsi pcmcia card for while i'm at home (spare 2.1gb 3.5" drive). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 18:17:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA105109440; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:17:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00133; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:16:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29901; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29880; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool018-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool018-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.18]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08636; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708052215.PAA08636@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad listserv" , "TROTTIER, Tom" Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 15:13:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: IBM Notebook hard drives Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:24:57 -0400, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: >While we're on hard drives... >I'd like to replace the 540Mb in my 701 with a 2.1Gb, and move the 540 to >my wife's 340 (she has a 125 at the moment, working well with win95's disk >compression. >Comments? Advice? >Also, is there a card for a desktop computer to access one of these >notebook drives? > >Ciao, Tom >_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect >SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre >50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com > Yeah, to access 2.5" drives, you can use a converter cable, though I had trouble accessing my 701's 720meg drive (DBOA-2720) on a desktop. I currently use a 340 meg (DHAA-2405) from a 755CE, and a 270meg (DBOA-2270) from a dead 355C on my desktop. The only problem is that the 270 won't work as a master drive, but it works great as a slave. The current OS is OS/2 Warp 3.0 with Fixpack 26, though I put on Win95 on the 340 so I could run something. The converter will run you somewhere from 5-40 bucks, for a conservative estimate. It all depends on where you get it. Regards, Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 18:24:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA107499857; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:24:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00423; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:22:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00347; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00335; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-43.usc.edu [128.125.223.187]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id PAA11236; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970805152035.00cdd4b8@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 15:22:19 -0700 To: "Kevin W. Rudd" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: what to do with old hard disks (365xd/2.5"x12.7mm/810mb) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You can put the drive in an external casing (Road Warrior makes a "bullet" casing that I've used and like quite well) for portability, or you can just put it in a desktop machine (with an adapter). At 02:11 PM 8/5/97 -0700, Kevin W. Rudd wrote: >continuing on similar vein as others.... > >i'm planning on getting a toshiba mk2103mav thinline 2.1gb drive (as >many seem to be doing) and was curious if there was something useful >to do with the 810mb drive that is currently hiding under the >cd-rom.... it would be nice to be able to use this in addition to the >new 2.1gb drive (i'd have liked the new 3+gb thinline from ibm but >expect that when it finally comes available it won't be affordable. > >does anyone know about somehow adapting a hard drive to the cd-rom >connector so that it can be used in lieu of the cd-rom? is there an >aftermarket for used 2.5" drives? is it useful to have a shelf-spare? > >i'll probably get the 2.1gb drive anyway---i need the portable >space---and may get a scsi pcmcia card for while i'm at home (spare >2.1gb 3.5" drive). > > ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 18:39:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA112170792; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:39:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00891; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:34:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00799; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00789; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool018-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool018-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.18]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20266; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708052232.PAA20266@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 15:30:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: getting a mutant 560 to hibernate Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 04 Aug 97 23:54:23 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Sun, 03 Aug 1997 at 09:54 PM you, "Paul Khoury" >, said: > >>I also had a struggle on this machine trying to get my hibernation file >>to be created in HPFS, although I heard IBM fixed this in the bios. >>Maybe they only fixed it where it recognizes it. I think that the BIOS >>only likes to recognize 16 bit FAT. I now have a 40MB partition (drive >>D:), with some small things and a 13MB hibernation file. > >I'm not sure whether this is relevant for the 560 but someone recently >mentioned a web page that contained lots of useful information related to >the TP701 & Warp, including a REXX script that created a proper >hibernation file on an HPFS partition. > >I tried it on the only partition (HPFS) of my TP701 and sure enough it did >create the file and I was able to use hibernation thereafter. > >The URL was off www.secant.com/sipples/ > >Maybe the magic the REXX script does in HPFS can be adapted for NT's >native file system (to address the original poster's problem). > >Dominique >-- >----------------------------------------------------------- >Dominique Pivard >Helsinki, Finland >----------------------------------------------------------- > > I hear there are some similarities, but I wouldn't really know, as I either have FAT 12/16, HPFS, Minix, or EXT2. I know that NTFS has some nice features, though, and it can be accessed from DOS by a small program called NTFSDOS. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 19:05:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118582311; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:05:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02289; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:04:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02179; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cplus.cpis.net (cplus.cpis.net [206.155.217.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02169; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wonwiije (ppp6.cpis.net [206.155.217.35]) by cplus.cpis.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05210 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:09:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199708052309.TAA05210@cplus.cpis.net> From: "behildre" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: port replicator 701? / 720? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:01:47 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does a port replicator from a 720 fit a 701? bh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 22:19:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA171103960; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:19:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09569; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:18:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09477; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from megsinet.net (megspo.megsinet.net [208.150.39.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09454; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from randolphmax3-118.megsinet.net(really [208.133.79.118]) by megsinet.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:18:06 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.95 1997-May-7 #2 built 1997-May-27) Received: by randolphmax3-118.megsinet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA1E5.2D4F84A0@randolphmax3-118.megsinet.net>; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:18:53 -0500 Message-Id: <01BCA1E5.2D4F84A0@randolphmax3-118.megsinet.net> From: Dennis Pantazis To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: UGH! EZSERVE Again! Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:41:05 -0500 Encoding: 34 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I got my 560 in April. IBM sent it to me 'cuz they love me so much :) A week later, I make the system disks only to find out that when I reformat and partition my HD, the CAB files on the first disk are bad, so the machine goes back for reload of preload (I didn't mean that to rhyme). After it gets back, I do the electronic registration thing on the floppy disk which I though was kinda cute. A few weeks ago, the mouse starts to misbehave. I get error codes on boot, but it still works. I call for service. They send me a box. I blow it off for a while because I need the machine. In the meantime, the display is annoying, if it were a television it looks the color and v-hold are way off. The same day the left mouse button falls out (Randy I think you jinxed the left mouse button). I look and the prongs look ok, so I try to snap it back in, no luck. I send the machine back. I get a call last Friday (a week ago) afternoon that they need verification of ownership to make sure my machine is under warantee. For some reason they cannot find record of me in the database. I explain that the machine was sent from IBM in April and the rep says she understands. In fact I tell her, its been sent back already for service. No problem she says. I get a phone call last Thurs. that EZSERV has my estimate to replace the LCD screen and the keyboard. I laugh and again tell this rep what's going on. He tells me that he cant do anything until I provide him proof of ownership/purchase date. I then finally call Customer Relations. Five minutes later I get a call back saying everything is taken care of and my machine will be home soon. Then the UPS strike. Somehow my baby made it here on time and safe. Whew! New keyboard and LCD. And I only just now seemed to break in my kdb. At least they sent a new trackpoint cap. Dennis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 5 23:24:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA187017854; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:24:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11354; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:23:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11239; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.bbn.com (PO2.BBN.COM [192.1.50.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11229; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zima.bbn.com (ZIMA.BBN.COM [128.89.8.110]) by po2.bbn.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA12372; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daniel.bbn.com (DANIEL.BBN.COM [128.33.208.34]) by zima.bbn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA01790; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970805231751.009859a0@zima.bbn.com> X-Sender: cerys@zima.bbn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 23:17:51 -0400 To: David Wine From: Daniel Cerys Subject: Re: Maximum Memory Capacity for Thinkpad 760CD?? Cc: Greg Terrell , "Alexander J. Annala" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David, Thanks for the pointer to Kingston. Those guys "know" memory configurations. For all of the details on the 760CD, check out http://www.kingston.com/catalog/memory/ibm141.htm (all other models are accessible via that page). Up until now, I thought I the max memory for the 760CD was 40MB. Thanks to the Kingston site, I see that I can run with as much as 64MB (32 + 32 + 8MB(which is unfortunately not accessible)). Dan At 06:22 PM 8/5/97 +0200, David Wine wrote: > I have 56 in mine right now using 8 internal + 16 module from IBM + 32 >module from Kingston. > >--David Wine > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg Terrell >To: Alexander J. Annala >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Thursday, 31 July, 1997 3:45 pm >Subject: Re: Maximum Memory Capacity for Thinkpad 760CD?? > > > >In message <3.0.1.32.19970731014645.00742c9c@hbprft.usc.edu>, "Alexander >J. Annala" writes >>What is the maximum memory capacity of Thinkpad 760CD? >>Are there BIOS or other limits restricting use of high >>density DRAM chips? >> >48MB - the original 16MB plus 2 x 16MB. Can't answer your BIOS >question. >-- >Greg Terrell > > > ------------------------------------------------ Daniel Cerys Email: cerys@bbn.com BBN Work Phone: +1(617)873-4534 10 Moulton St. FAX: +1(617)873-2794 Mail Stop 6/4A Cambridge MA 02138 USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 6 11:34:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA079841698; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:34:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28134; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:30:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27729; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27718; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from desktop (ip63.lancaster.pa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.14.75.63]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09474 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970806112552.00a542c0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: houlihan@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:25:52 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jerry Houlihan Subject: FS 701c Thinkpad. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm considering selling my Butterfly. It's the 486DX4-75/16/540 version with the active screen. I purchased the laptop from a friend a couple weeks ago. He used it at home to play solitaire for (very) roughly 10 hours....on AC power........honest to God. I personally have used it for about 4 battery recharges (6 hours) and probably another 24 to 36 hours of AC power. Although this little laptop is a dream to use and very light, I've decided that I really have no need for it. I'd much rather beef up my destop computer. The screen has one eternal red pixel and a couple other very dim lazy pixels (or dust?) that don't show up on most backgrounds. Other than that the laptop is in perfect condition.....pristene, and therefore I'm hoping to get a little more for it than average. I have all the orig cables, port thingy, floppy, books, box, etc. and also an external Panasonic D740 SCSI 4x CDROM with a SCSI II PCMCIA Card. Make an offer with our without the CDROM. Thanks, Jerry Houlihan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 6 12:51:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103936295; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:51:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02822; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:43:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02320; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skylink.skylink.net (skylink.skylink.net [206.25.34.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02310; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tech1.skylink.net (tech1.skylink.net [207.49.183.20]) by skylink.skylink.net (8.8.5/4.1.4) with SMTP id JAA04154; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970806092545.007fd2d0@mail.skylink.net> X-Sender: merlin@mail.skylink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 09:25:45 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: FS 701c Thinkpad. Cc: houlihan@mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I would very possibly be interested in the CD, if the price is right.. >I'm considering selling my Butterfly. It's the 486DX4-75/16/540 version >with the active screen. > >I purchased the laptop from a friend a couple weeks ago. He used it at >home to play >solitaire for (very) roughly 10 hours....on AC power........honest to God. >I personally have >used it for about 4 battery recharges (6 hours) and probably another 24 to >36 hours of AC >power. > >Although this little laptop is a dream to use and very light, I've decided >that I really have no >need for it. I'd much rather beef up my destop computer. > >The screen has one eternal red pixel and a couple other very dim lazy >pixels (or dust?) that don't >show up on most backgrounds. Other than that the laptop is in perfect >condition.....pristene, and >therefore I'm hoping to get a little more for it than average. > >I have all the orig cables, port thingy, floppy, books, box, etc. and also >an external Panasonic D740 >SCSI 4x CDROM with a SCSI II PCMCIA Card. > >Make an offer with our without the CDROM. > >Thanks, > >Jerry Houlihan > > ---------- Vernon Brooks Skylink Networks Technical Support Las Vegas, NV (702) 260-0900 x228 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 6 13:52:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA123689929; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:52:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06736; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:50:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06502; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edam.direct.ca (edam.direct.ca [199.60.229.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06486; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirion (van-as-08c15.direct.ca [204.174.249.191]) by edam.direct.ca (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA26361; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708061750.KAA26361@edam.direct.ca> From: "Dayle Riddoch" To: "Dale Chao" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 10:46:48 -0800 Reply-To: "Dayle Riddoch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MWAVE question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The best site I know of for MWave information is http://watson.mbb.sfu.ca however the site is up and down often because it is needed for other tasks. On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:09:59 +0200, Dale Chao wrote: >I read the talk about MWAVE modems and I have no idea what they are. Could >someone be kind enough to take a moment to explain them to me or point me >to resources? > >Thanks, > Dale > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dale Chao >Concord, California >Primary Email: geige@usa.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dayle Riddoch driddoch@direct.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 00:43:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA017549018; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:43:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04705; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:38:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04581; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (root@amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.111.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04564; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.113.201]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA26303 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.6.4) id AAA05094; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:38:53 -0400 (EDT) To: "'ThinkPad List'" Subject: mutant 560 hibernation *solved* From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 07 Aug 1997 00:38:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: Fabian Rodriguez's message of "Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:40:26 -0500" Message-Id: Lines: 41 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.64/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Howdy- Well, at least it looks that way to me. Here's how I did it: The key was the pointer (thanks!) to the REXX script for use under OS/2. That gave me the idea to stop depending on ThinkPad Features for NT or the PS2 command and create the hibernation file (PM_HIBER.BIN) myself. It took me about 5 minutes to whip up something in Perl5 to write a blank file of the correct size/name/attributes to my FAT16 partition. Script available upon request. Booted to DOS, and lo and behold, the PS2 program had changed its tune. "Hibernation file already exists" it merrily reported. PS2 was happy to activate RediSuspend and even execute the "PS2 HIBERNATE" command. I haven't had a "battery low-gotta hibernate" condition occur yet, but I am pretty confident it will work. ThinkPad Features for NT doesn't show hibernation as active in its main screen, but it does show the proper parameters I set manually via PS2, so I think that's a red herring. Both NT and Linux appeared to RediSuspend and RediResume just fine. If my 560 blows up as a result of this hackery, I'll be sure to let people know. Thanks again for the clues I received from folks on this list. Peace, dNb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM+lRJzVY18Ov2TldAQHPlQQAgIdDBFGX+LX69gbMrDwQY4Vf5DwHZreH S13uC9Mic3BBW4DeHP0Wr7sZfSkvR6HaLIKGFGQ24ZzN6zmOuMy7n4VdIUeKSMHi wDaW0Eywv7qBkD575MgjZqq2zLJkt8vlekblowa8n0u5gGuHj7ScbAZQvAd0c0ZZ /iXHZU0Xi5U= =9sx0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 01:02:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024020173; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:02:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05169; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:00:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04992; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04976; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net [206.149.201.82]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA08138; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708070500.WAA08138@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Chris Schumann" , "Will Wilson" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 15:28:45 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Pen Services on 750P Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 05 Aug 1997 14:50:42 -0400, Will Wilson wrote: >I read your post with interest. I can't find Pen Windows. Stupid, I >know, but ignorance is possibly what drives this list. Anyway, I have a >750P that we've talked about before. Would you help me again and point >me toward the files I need to get the pen to do anything? And more >embarassing ignorance, what does one use the TP pen for? >I hope the only *really* stupid question is the one unasked. >Will > > I know that IBM still sells Pen for DOS, Win 3.x and OS/2 Warp. I think that the Pen for OS/2 would multitask the best, but I haven't tried it at all. BTW, is it the 750P that runs off of Microchannel architecture? Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 01:04:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024530271; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:04:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05348; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:02:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05096; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05086; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net [206.149.201.82]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA08823; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708070501.WAA08823@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David N. Blank-Edelman" , "Dominique Pivard" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 15:50:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: getting a mutant 560 to hibernate Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 04 Aug 1997 23:51:39 -0400, David N. Blank-Edelman wrote: >Dominique Pivard writes: >> The URL was off www.secant.com/sipples/ >> >> Maybe the magic the REXX script does in HPFS can be adapted for NT's >> native file system (to address the original poster's problem). > >Being the original poster, I'm concerned that I was not clear. I am >trying to hibernate to my plain ole' FAT16 partition (albeit while in >NT or Linux), not to my NTFS partition. Any help towards this end is >much appreciated. I will definitely check out this site, thanks for >the reference! > > Peace, > dNb > Now what would also be interesting would be a smal utility that allows a hibernation file to be used on an ext2 partition, like under Linux or something. Also, if anyone wants, I have a file attachment for reading the ext2 file system from OS/2 Warp. I haven't had time to try it because I've been setting up my web server lately. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 01:04:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024640292; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:04:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05397; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:01:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05061; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05034; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net [206.149.201.82]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA08737; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708070501.WAA08737@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "behildre" , "Thinkpad" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 15:41:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: port replicator 701? / 720? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:01:47 -0700, behildre wrote: >Does a port replicator from a 720 fit a 701? > >bh > Nope; they aren't compatible. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 01:05:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024960347; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:05:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05478; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:03:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05287; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05244; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net [206.149.201.82]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA09493 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708070503.WAA09493@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 19:57:10 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If anyone still wants the ThinkPad assistant to get information about the ThinkPad line (does not have all the 760s and 560s, the 765, or the 380), privately email me and I can send you the files attachments, now that I have registered PMMail, and Netscape's mailer didn't seem to work. I can also send the viewer if you either don't already have it or have OS/2. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 09:20:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA142600005; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:20:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03297; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:17:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03057; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03047; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA08802; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:17:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:17:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: Paul Khoury Cc: Will Wilson , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Pen Services on 750P In-Reply-To: <199708070500.WAA08138@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 750P does not use microchannel. It is ISA AFAIK. "He's even got a twin like me." -- They Might Be Giants, My Evil Twin Chris Schumann On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > I know that IBM still sells Pen for DOS, Win 3.x and OS/2 Warp. I think that the Pen for OS/2 would multitask > the best, but I haven't tried it at all. BTW, is it the 750P that runs off of Microchannel architecture? > > Paul > Regards, > > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@earthlink.net > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 09:31:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA145160671; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:31:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04569; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:28:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04151; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04056; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-08.usc.edu [128.125.223.152]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id GAA29918; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970807062831.00c8d318@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 06:28:48 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Cc: "ThinkPad List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:57 PM 8/6/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >If anyone still wants the ThinkPad assistant to get information about the ThinkPad line (does not have all the >760s and 560s, the 765, or the 380), privately email me and I can send you the files attachments, now that I What exactly is the "ThinkPad Assistant"? If you described it before, perhaps I missed it... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 10:34:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA163114466; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:34:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04625; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:29:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04186; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04134; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-08.usc.edu [128.125.223.152]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id GAA29914; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970807062608.00c8c0dc@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 06:28:46 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Pen Services on 750P Cc: "Chris Schumann" , "Will Wilson" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:28 PM 8/6/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >BTW, is it the 750P that runs off of Microchannel architecture? Nope--that would be the 700 and 720. Beginning with the 750's, IBM began to be more "standard" with std. IDE drives & ISA (and later PCI) buses. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 11:51:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA187519078; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:51:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10463; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:50:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10357; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10346; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net [206.149.201.82]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA23814; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708071550.IAA23814@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 08:46:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 06:28:48 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 07:57 PM 8/6/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >>If anyone still wants the ThinkPad assistant to get information about the >ThinkPad line (does not have all the >>760s and 560s, the 765, or the 380), privately email me and I can send you >the files attachments, now that I > > What exactly is the "ThinkPad Assistant"? If you described it before, >perhaps I missed it... > Well, I got it from the IBM PC BBS, and it's sort of like a spec sheet for the ThinkPad series, but my copy is sort of outdated, in that it doesn't have new models like the 380, 765, or all the latest 560/760s. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 12:13:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA194240431; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:13:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11883; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:13:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11781; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11770; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02217; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:12:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02207; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:12:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970807121253.00995d70@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 12:12:53 -0400 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199708071550.IAA23814@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:46 AM 8/7/97, you wrote: >Well, I got it from the IBM PC BBS, and it's sort of like a spec sheet for the >ThinkPad series, but my copy is sort of outdated, in that it doesn't have new >models like the 380, 765, or all the latest 560/760s. > I believe it began life as an IBM internal document that someone did for themselves and their group called the PS/2 Assistant. It got put on the IBM BBS as an EWS kind of thing, was eventually funded as a real project and finally became the PC Assistant. The ThinkPad portion was just a section of the whole thing. But I saw a note on the OS2BBS a while back from the author Mark Chapman that said it was being discontinued in favor of the web pages. Too bad. It was a great set of documents with everything you ever wanted to know about almost any PC that IBM ever built - hyperlinks all over. Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 13:03:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA210153433; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:03:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15835; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:02:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15721; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw00.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15711; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth (lee_js@earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.8.6) id MAA05597 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:02:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:02:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jay S. Lee" X-Sender: lee_js@earth To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760el expansion In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hey all, I have a Dock I and am wondering where I can find a cdrom drive that will fit in it? Do they have to be IBM? Also, if I want higher resolution graphics what options do I have to bypass the limitation of 1024x768 256colors? I was thinking of buying a cheap ISA graphics card... Jay From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 13:08:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA211323690; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:08:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16092; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:07:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16003; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15992; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708071707.NAA15992@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:07:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 10:07:25 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NT on 750? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Now that Microsoft of Borg has assimilated Macintosh, I am considering accepting the invitable and migrating to NT from Warp 4. My decision rests partially on whether I can convert all my machines, including my trusty TP750. Is it possible to do a stripped down install of NT 4.0 on a 750 with 20 megs and a 540 meg disk? Will it be too slow to be usable? Should I just wait until the 750 goes serial numbers up and I am forced to upgrade hardware? ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 13:09:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA211823791; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:09:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16246; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:08:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16139; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16122; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net [206.149.201.82]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00120; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708071708.KAA00120@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jane Loyless" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 10:04:50 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 12:12:53 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 08:46 AM 8/7/97, you wrote: >>Well, I got it from the IBM PC BBS, and it's sort of like a spec sheet for >the >ThinkPad series, but my copy is sort of outdated, in that it doesn't >have new >models like the 380, 765, or all the latest 560/760s. >> > >I believe it began life as an IBM internal document that someone did for >themselves and their group called the PS/2 Assistant. It got put on the >IBM BBS as an EWS kind of thing, was eventually funded as a real project >and finally became the PC Assistant. The ThinkPad portion was just a >section of the whole thing. > >But I saw a note on the OS2BBS a while back from the author Mark Chapman >that said it was being discontinued in favor of the web pages. Too bad. >It was a great set of documents with everything you ever wanted to know >about almost any PC that IBM ever built - hyperlinks all over. > So that's why I couldn't find a new version. Paul >Jane > Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 14:31:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA236498674; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:31:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22321; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:29:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22160; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22146; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-30.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-30.earthlink.net [206.149.201.55]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03193 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708071829.LAA03193@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 11:27:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To anyone whom I said I whould send the ThinkPad assistant, and didn't recieve it yet, or completely, please email me. I had a problem and had to reboot. Thanks, Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 14:57:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA245360237; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:57:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24054; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:56:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23975; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (daemon@martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23964; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aarau.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA245150194; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:56:34 -0400 Received: by aarau.ai.mit.edu id m0wwXje-00005NC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:56:34 -0400 (EDT) From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: kress@u.washington.edu Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199708071707.NAA15992@CS.UTK.EDU> (kress@u.washington.edu) Subject: NT on 750? X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From: "Victor Kress" Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 10:07:25 +0500 Now that Microsoft of Borg has assimilated Macintosh, I am considering accepting the invitable and migrating to NT from Warp 4. My decision rests partially on whether I can convert all my machines, including my trusty TP750. Is it possible to do a stripped down install of NT 4.0 on a 750 with 20 megs and a 540 meg disk? Will it be too slow to be usable? Should I just wait until the 750 goes serial numbers up and I am forced to upgrade hardware? I think you will find NT very sluggish on this machine. I tried NT 4 on my 755C with 36 MB of RAM and found it to be painful. I think the problem is the amount of RAM more than anything else -- NT wants lots of it. My current feeling is that 64 MB is "enough" for NT. As an alternative, Linux runs extremely well on these small machines; it's the only thing I run on my 755C these days. But I suspect that isn't a viable alternative for you, or you would have tried it already. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 7 17:18:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA289538679; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:17:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02546; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:15:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02362; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02327; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-e-58.usc.edu [128.125.222.202]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id OAA08540; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970807135037.00c9c9f4@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 14:16:00 -0700 To: "Victor Kress" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: NT on 750? Cc: "Thinkpad mailing list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:07 AM 8/7/97 +0500, Victor Kress wrote: >Now that Microsoft of Borg has assimilated Macintosh, I am considering >accepting the invitable and migrating to NT from Warp 4. My decision >rests partially on whether I can convert all my machines, including my >trusty TP750. Is it possible to do a stripped down install of NT 4.0 >on a 750 with 20 megs and a 540 meg disk? Will it be too slow to be >usable? Should I just wait until the 750 goes serial numbers up and I >am forced to upgrade hardware? Just my opinion of course, but I wouldn't put NT on my 560 with 40 MB of RAM and a 2.1 GB HD, let alone on a 750 with 20 MB RAM (I used to own a 750C). Just WAY too much of a memory & general resource hog. Running it on anything less than a Pentium is sort of iffy, but more importantly--anything less than 32 to 48 MB of RAM? I don't think its a great idea. I had NT 4.0 running on a Pentium Pro 200 MHz with 96 MB of RAM--that seemed to work very well. But I wouldn't do anything more than Win 95 on a 750. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 06:58:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA077857918; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:58:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08803; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 02:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 02:15:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08659; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 02:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aus-a.mp.campus.mci.net (aus-a.mp.campus.mci.net [208.140.84.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08643; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 02:15:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from 701c ([208.150.147.32]) by aus-a.mp.campus.mci.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07516 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 02:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <33EAA98D.893F3C7F@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 22:07:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Warp4 on a 701 (was: NT on 750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Chris Hanson wrote: > From: "Victor Kress" > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 10:07:25 +0500 > > Now that Microsoft of Borg has assimilated Macintosh, I am > considering > accepting the invitable and migrating to NT from Warp 4. > (snipped...) > > I think you will find NT very sluggish on this machine. I tried NT 4 > on my 755C with 36 MB of RAM and found it to be painful. If he was running Warp4 he must be accustomed to sluggishness. I installed it on one of the two hard drives for my 701 (DX4/75, 24mb) and find it to be very slow compared to Win95, which runs quite well on the other hard drive with the same machine. Though I like some things about Warp4, I'm baffled as to why there is no feature for file management, like File Manager/Explorer on the Windows system. This omission alone makes it almost too tedious to use. I assume there are OS/2 file manager programs one can buy. But given that it already comes with an array of Bonus Pack application, why would IBM leave out something so basic? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 07:00:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA077998007; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:00:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04337; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 00:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 00:28:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04143; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 00:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04133; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 00:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.142.77]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13757 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708080428.VAA13757@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 21:19:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Seperate Lists Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just my $0.02: Is there any way we could seperate this list into a few lists, like General Q&A/thoughs, OS/2 Warp ThinkPads, WinNT ThinkPads, Win95 ThinkPads, Linux ThinkPads? I just noticed that there is a lot of crosstalk and that maybe it would help to keep the list clearer. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 07:00:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078038009; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:00:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04309; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 00:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 00:27:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04094; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 00:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04084; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 00:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.142.77]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13496; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708080427.VAA13496@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "rj" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 21:09:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: NT on 750? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:23:35 -0400 (EDT), rj wrote: >Well I put NT 4.0 on my 701 (DX4/75, 40MB RAM, 1.3 GB HDD) about 6 months >ago and its been running just fine; in fact it ran fairly well with 24 MB >RAM although there was a bit of disk thrashing which is why I went to >40MB. It doesn't have alot of the APM and while it will hibernate, coming >out of hibernation is something of a bummer as the modems will not work >until re-boot and the system clock has to be reset. The best point is >that in the 6+ months running NT the box has *never* crashed; I have had >to kill a task or two but I've never had to re-boot. What kind of apps do you run? On my Warp box (701, 12MB RAM, 720HD, 3 modems, 1 FLASH card 5MB), I don't have many crashes except when I run too much stuff for my RAM capacity. I also run 32,16, and 8 bit apps simultaniously, but I don't currently have Win-OS/2 installed (which is sort of a good thing and a bad thing). Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 07:00:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078068009; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:00:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02700; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:45:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02507; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02495; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-i-12.usc.edu [128.125.224.84]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id UAA08356; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970807204504.007150d0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 20:45:19 -0700 To: Fabian Rodriguez From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Shark removable 250MB ? was Iomega ZIP vs. JAZ Cc: Dominique Pivard , "'Alden S Klovdahl'" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:54 AM 7/31/97 -0500, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: >Hi again, > >I went to Compucentre today here in Sherbrooke and noticed a "Shark" removable ... 250MB disks (3 for CAN$180), drive for ~CAN$400, the guy tol us they had only sold one... > >Yet it is about 2/3 the size of ZIP, plus it doesnt need any ext. power (draws power from keybd), I must say, very "design"... > >Shark any? > >os. I hate carrying the whole ZIP stuff around.. although it sure beats any1.44 mb floppy :) There's a good article on removable storage in the current PC/Computing. Basically, it gave the Shark some reasonably high marks. But the real issue that makes the Zip win hands down is that it is the closest thing to a "standard" as there is in the industry. So many people have them that you can reasonably expect to send someone a Zip disk with stuff on it and they'll be able to read it--or at least they know someone that can. This is the first time anyone has been able to do that with anything that holds more than a floppy. If the Shark had come along a couple years earlier and maintained the cheap media (per MB) that the Zip has, it might be the standard. But its a little late to the game and therefore will be relegated to relative obscurity. SyQuest had their chance--I used their 105 MB removable (not the 135 MB that competed with the zip early on) and later their 270 MB removable (which I still have), but the media cost *way* too much. With Zip disks as low as $15 a piece and sold in packages like floppies (not to mention *looking* like floppies), they're hard to resist. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 07:00:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078098011; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:00:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03017; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:50:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02850; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02840; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-i-12.usc.edu [128.125.224.84]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id UAA08708; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970807204958.006f02d4@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 20:50:21 -0700 To: Jane Loyless From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: NT on 750? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:19 PM 8/7/97 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 02:16 PM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote: > >> Just my opinion of course, but I wouldn't put NT on my 560 with 40 MB of >>RAM and a 2.1 GB HD, let alone on a 750 with 20 MB RAM (I used to own a >750C). >> >> Just WAY too much of a memory & general resource hog. Running it on >>anything less than a Pentium is sort of iffy, but more >>importantly--anything less than 32 to 48 MB of RAM? I don't think its a >>great idea. >> > >Now, I disagree with you about this. I ran NTWS v4.0 on a 755CE >486DX4/40MB/2.1GB working with Micro Focus and DB2/NT software as well as >Eudora, Netscape or IE, Notes, Office, and FreeAgent on a T/R network. Not >as fast as it is on the 760EL with 32MB I have now, but it was adequate. >On some occasions, I'd get too much going at one time and have to stop and >wait for it to catch up. But most of the time it just chugged along fine. The key point you just made for me was the fact that you had 40 MB of RAM--which is in the range that I said was okay. Also keep in mind that a 486DX4 is practically low-end Pentium class. What you describe is a barely workable setup for NT. Also, anytime I have to "stop and wait for it to catch up", the machine is being overtaxed. Someone who wants to run NT as a matter of choice simply *doesn't* want to wait for things like that! >On a 755CS with only 20MB, though, it's a slug, so I agree with you that >the 750 and 20MB will be really painful. The 750 is a 486SL-33 (which is basically a power-enhanced DX). Combined with only 20 MB, it couldn't *begin* to make anyone happy to run NT. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 07:01:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078318096; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:01:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00515; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:40:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00297; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16052; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA81434; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:48:23 -0400 Received: by 17-0025.residence.usherb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <01BC9D65.625AB220@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca>; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:54:02 -0500 Message-Id: <01BC9D65.625AB220@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: Dominique Pivard , "'Alden S Klovdahl'" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Shark removable 250MB ? was Iomega ZIP vs. JAZ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:54:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi again, I went to Compucentre today here in Sherbrooke and noticed a "Shark" = removable ... 250MB disks (3 for CAN$180), drive for ~CAN$400, the guy = tol us they had only sold one... Yet it is about 2/3 the size of ZIP, plus it doesnt need any ext. power = (draws power from keybd), I must say, very "design"... Shark any? os. I hate carrying the whole ZIP stuff around.. although it sure beats = any1.44 mb floppy :) ---------- From: Alden S Klovdahl[SMTP:Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au] Sent: 31 juillet 1997 05:09 To: Dominique Pivard be also interested in hearing of others' portable, small footprint, = large capacity storage solutions. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 07:01:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078348097; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:01:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00887; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:48:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00768; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00758; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu (128.119.70.196) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 07 Aug 1997 22:51:59 -0400 Received: by rheo-port.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA384.058760A0@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu>; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:48:28 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCA384.058760A0@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> From: axel hartmann To: "'rj'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: NT on 750? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:48:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi, On Thursday, August 07, 1997 18:23, rj wrote: >Well I put NT 4.0 on my 701 (DX4/75, 40MB RAM, 1.3 GB HDD) about 6 months >ago and its been running just fine; in fact it ran fairly well with 24 MB >RAM although there was a bit of disk thrashing which is why I went to >40MB. It doesn't have alot of the APM and while it will hibernate, coming >out of hibernation is something of a bummer as the modems will not work >until re-boot and the system clock has to be reset. The best point is >that in the 6+ months running NT the box has *never* crashed; I have had >to kill a task or two but I've never had to re-boot. -I don't have the RAM or the HD, but I do have the 701, so I'd just like to know... how long does it take to boot? -I take it you're using NT4Workstation. -Do PCMCIA-Network-Cards work? -Hmmm, what else? Multiple hardware configs? Docked/undocked? -Oh- hibernate you say... how about suspend? While I'm at it... the Dial-Up-Networking Upgrade 1.2 for Win95 seems to have killed my ability to hibernate - I see the screen upon wake-up and it reboots instantly. Hibernating with the Start-Menu-Option just the same. tia, axel ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper Summer : 30 Kellogg Ave; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice only : +1 (413) 256 - 6264 . . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 1649 . . E-Mail : axelh@polysci.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 07:01:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078378098; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:01:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12906; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:23:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12797; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais2.cais.com (cais2.cais.com [199.0.216.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12787; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais2.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA14841 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:23:35 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: NT on 750? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970807135037.00c9c9f4@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well I put NT 4.0 on my 701 (DX4/75, 40MB RAM, 1.3 GB HDD) about 6 months ago and its been running just fine; in fact it ran fairly well with 24 MB RAM although there was a bit of disk thrashing which is why I went to 40MB. It doesn't have alot of the APM and while it will hibernate, coming out of hibernation is something of a bummer as the modems will not work until re-boot and the system clock has to be reset. The best point is that in the 6+ months running NT the box has *never* crashed; I have had to kill a task or two but I've never had to re-boot. On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 10:07 AM 8/7/97 +0500, Victor Kress wrote: > >Now that Microsoft of Borg has assimilated Macintosh, I am considering > >accepting the invitable and migrating to NT from Warp 4. My decision > >rests partially on whether I can convert all my machines, including my > >trusty TP750. Is it possible to do a stripped down install of NT 4.0 > >on a 750 with 20 megs and a 540 meg disk? Will it be too slow to be > >usable? Should I just wait until the 750 goes serial numbers up and I > >am forced to upgrade hardware? > > Just my opinion of course, but I wouldn't put NT on my 560 with 40 MB of > RAM and a 2.1 GB HD, let alone on a 750 with 20 MB RAM (I used to own a 750C). > > Just WAY too much of a memory & general resource hog. Running it on > anything less than a Pentium is sort of iffy, but more > importantly--anything less than 32 to 48 MB of RAM? I don't think its a > great idea. > > I had NT 4.0 running on a Pentium Pro 200 MHz with 96 MB of RAM--that > seemed to work very well. > > But I wouldn't do anything more than Win 95 on a 750. > > > ------- > Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 > Director, Electronic Commerce Program > Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 07:01:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078418104; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:01:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09958; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:23:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09708; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09679; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max3-ot-ca-38.earthlink.net (max3-ot-ca-38.earthlink.net [206.149.196.188]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20947 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708080023.RAA20947@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 17:20:24 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: NT on 750? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 14:16:00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 10:07 AM 8/7/97 +0500, Victor Kress wrote: >>Now that Microsoft of Borg has assimilated Macintosh, I am considering >>accepting the invitable and migrating to NT from Warp 4. My decision >>rests partially on whether I can convert all my machines, including my >>trusty TP750. Is it possible to do a stripped down install of NT 4.0 >>on a 750 with 20 megs and a 540 meg disk? Will it be too slow to be >>usable? Should I just wait until the 750 goes serial numbers up and I >>am forced to upgrade hardware? > > Just my opinion of course, but I wouldn't put NT on my 560 with 40 MB of >RAM and a 2.1 GB HD, let alone on a 750 with 20 MB RAM (I used to own a 750C). > > Just WAY too much of a memory & general resource hog. Running it on >anything less than a Pentium is sort of iffy, but more >importantly--anything less than 32 to 48 MB of RAM? I don't think its a >great idea. > > I had NT 4.0 running on a Pentium Pro 200 MHz with 96 MB of RAM--that >seemed to work very well. > > But I wouldn't do anything more than Win 95 on a 750. > > >------- >Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >Director, Electronic Commerce Program >Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California > I said forget it to NT when I was promised better multitasking and all that other marketing crap. I went to OS/2 instead because for only 16 MB on that "old" Pentium server, it ran way better. And no, I can't afford another RAM upgrade right now, don't ask why, unless you have cheap RAM. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 07:02:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078468119; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:01:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05656; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:19:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05582; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05572; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25010; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:19:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA25006; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:19:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970807181910.009b6e40@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 18:19:10 -0400 To: Randal Whittle From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: NT on 750? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970807135037.00c9c9f4@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 02:16 PM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote: > Just my opinion of course, but I wouldn't put NT on my 560 with 40 MB of >RAM and a 2.1 GB HD, let alone on a 750 with 20 MB RAM (I used to own a 750C). > > Just WAY too much of a memory & general resource hog. Running it on >anything less than a Pentium is sort of iffy, but more >importantly--anything less than 32 to 48 MB of RAM? I don't think its a >great idea. > Now, I disagree with you about this. I ran NTWS v4.0 on a 755CE 486DX4/40MB/2.1GB working with Micro Focus and DB2/NT software as well as Eudora, Netscape or IE, Notes, Office, and FreeAgent on a T/R network. Not as fast as it is on the 760EL with 32MB I have now, but it was adequate. On some occasions, I'd get too much going at one time and have to stop and wait for it to catch up. But most of the time it just chugged along fine. On a 755CS with only 20MB, though, it's a slug, so I agree with you that the 750 and 20MB will be really painful. Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 07:41:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA082120487; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:41:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01572; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:35:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01239; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01209; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id EAA04255; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 04:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hi-av2.cadence.com(158.140.128.32) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma871040116.004252; Fri Aug 8 04:35:16 1997 Received: from perley-ppp.cadence.com (sj4a-36.cadence.com [158.140.31.46]) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA03662; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 04:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 04:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708081129.EAA03662@mailhub.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: perley@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Randal Whittle From: Don Perley Subject: RE: Shark removable 250MB ? was Iomega ZIP vs. JAZ Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:45 PM 8/7/97 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > SyQuest had their chance--I used their 105 MB removable (not the 135 MB >that competed with the zip early on) and later their 270 MB removable >(which I still have), but the media cost *way* too much. With Zip disks as >low as $15 a piece and sold in packages like floppies (not to mention >*looking* like floppies), they're hard to resist. Syquest 135 disks have always been about 3 for $45 to $50 (locally, not mail order), which is roughly equal to zip for 35% more room and performance more like a real hard drive. That doesn't sound like "*way* too much" to me. The performance difference really came home when I copied ~50 mb from a zip to my syquest. The activity light was on pretty much continously for the zip and that same data rate had the syquest activity light on about 20% of the time. What Syquest was really missing that put Zip in the lead was a rad color plastic case. -Don Perley perley@cadence.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 10:38:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103111123; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:38:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15042; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:26:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13814; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13788; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-54.usc.edu [128.125.223.198]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id HAA23362; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970808071735.00c940ec@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 07:26:15 -0700 To: Don Perley From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Shark removable 250MB ? was Iomega ZIP vs. JAZ Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:29 AM 8/8/97 -0700, Don Perley wrote: >At 08:45 PM 8/7/97 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > >> SyQuest had their chance--I used their 105 MB removable (not the 135 MB >>that competed with the zip early on) and later their 270 MB removable >>(which I still have), but the media cost *way* too much. With Zip disks as >>low as $15 a piece and sold in packages like floppies (not to mention >>*looking* like floppies), they're hard to resist. > >Syquest 135 disks have always been about 3 for $45 to $50 (locally, not >mail order), which is roughly equal to zip for 35% more room and performance >more like a real hard drive. That doesn't sound like "*way* too much" to me. What meant was that SyQuest had been around for a long time beforehand with a small cartridge that held in excess of 100 MB--but the media was way too much. The 135 was a bit too late to the party, less convenient, more fragile, and (perhaps this is more important than anything)--they just never marketed it as well as the Zip was. >What Syquest was really missing that put Zip in the lead was a rad color plastic >case. I don't know if it was the cute blue case or not, but for whatever reason, the vast majority of people chose Zip over the SyQuest 135. Once that "installed base" came into being, the game was over. You'll notice that SyQuest doesn't make the 135 anymore. They abandoned it, then came out with the EZ-Flyer 250. The problem is that they didn't (or couldn't) make it cheap enough to win over potential Zip buyers. The media cost about the same per MB. I'd bet you money that if they brought out the 250 and made the cost of a cart. no more than $20, they'd have won over a lot of of potential Zip buyers. The SyJet has a lot better chance against the Jaz, but again--they're just too late to market on that one too. Jaz is far more popular. The early bird gets the worm, if it's done right. Zip isn't a performance marvel--but most people don't care that much. All they want is a decent level of storage (100 MB is decent) and they want it very cheap. They also want to be able to share it with their friends, which means something of a universal standard. Nothing has ever approached Zip in this last area. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 10:58:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA106192293; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:58:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16947; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:48:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16145; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16074; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu (128.119.70.196) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Fri, 08 Aug 1997 10:51:52 -0400 Received: by rheo-port.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA3E8.953D6460@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:48:19 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCA3E8.953D6460@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> From: axel hartmann To: ThinkPad List , "'Paul Khoury'" Subject: RE: Seperate Lists Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:48:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu 'llo, how about "Paul Khoury" and "general public"? That ought to reduce traffic significantly... ...sorry, no offense meant, but you've been extremely involved lately. ;) In general, this list is still very managable imho. For instance, my interest being the TP701 would on its own never justify a list. Others (ie IT-Pros taking care of a fleet of TPs) would maybe prefer a split along the lines of OS's rather than models. And just think how much work it would be for PEP-Sales to cover all the different lists. Except for the one: "IBM TP's without intentions to buy from PEP"... >Just my $0.02: pling pling in the penny-tray. axel > >Is there any way we could seperate this list into >a few lists, like General Q&A/thoughs, OS/2 Warp ThinkPads, >WinNT ThinkPads, Win95 ThinkPads, Linux ThinkPads? > >I just noticed that there is a lot of crosstalk and that maybe >it would help to keep the list clearer. > >Paul >Regards, > >Paul Khoury >pkhoury@earthlink.net > > ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper Summer : 30 Kellogg Ave; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice only : +1 (413) 256 - 6264 . . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 1649 . . E-Mail : axelh@polysci.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 16:48:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA172723329; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:48:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09841; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:42:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09495; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09478; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA16902 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:42:46 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199708082042.XAA16902@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 08 Aug 97 23:41:41 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: upgrading TP701 HD 360MB -> 2.1GB X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.30a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I just bought an IBM 2.1GB drive (model DTNA-22160) for my TP701. Since I don't plan to use the old 360MB drive, I opted for a naked drive (without caddy) to be mounted in the original caddy. I had to drill 4 new holes in the caddy because the maintaining screws of the new drive are located in a different place (since the 2.5"/12.7mm drives appear to have exactly the same form factor, can't they all put their holes in the same place?!). Anyway, I have a couple of questions: 1) there are 4 pins on one side that are left unconnected: on the old drive, there's a jumper on the outer pair; the new drive came with no jumper at all. Should I move the jumper to the new drive? What is the purpose of the 4 unconnected pins? (sorry, there was no manual included with the drive). 2) the old drive was wrapped into an adhesive plastic film, probably meant to protect it. Should I remove it and apply it to the new drive? If this is of any relevance, I don't plan to remove the caddy from my TP once it's installed. As for the old drive, I plan to install it in my old Compaq Aero. Thanks in advance for your enlightened comments, Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 17:09:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA178354540; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:09:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10848; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:01:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10571; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10560; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA19152 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:00:53 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199708082100.AAA19152@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 08 Aug 97 23:59:48 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: which Linux for TP701? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.30a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, As I'm about to enjoy the benefits of a big (21GB) hard disk on my TP701C, I'd like to install Linux on it (in addition to Warp, my current OS of choice). Since there are so many distributions available (Red Hat, Debian, SlackWare, Caldera etc.), I'd be most grateful if fellow TP701/Linux users could make recommandations with compatibility issues and easy installation in mind. I have a 3COM Etherlink PCMCIA adapter (3C589B), an Adaptec SlimSCSI card (APA-1460A) and an Iomega JAZ drive. I'd appreciate an automatic installation routine that recognizes my hardware as much as possible and I especially want it to deal easily with X-Window, which is the main area I plan to use. I don't mind paying a reasonable price for the convenience. Thanks, Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 17:14:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA179744859; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:14:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11360; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:09:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11138; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11128; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA21910; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:09:16 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199708082109.AAA21910@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 09 Aug 97 00:08:10 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BCA3E8.953D6460@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> Cc: axel hartmann Subject: RE: Separate Lists X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.30a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 08 Aug 1997 at 10:48 AM you, axel hartmann , said: >how about "Paul Khoury" and "general public"? That ought to reduce >traffic significantly... > ...sorry, no offense meant, but you've been >extremely involved lately. ;) You're a bit unkind to Paul, his contribution to the list has been mostly useful IMHO. >In general, this list is still very managable imho. For instance, my >interest being the TP701 would on its own never justify a list. Others >(ie IT-Pros taking care of a fleet of TPs) would maybe prefer a split >along the lines of OS's rather than models. I agree with you, there's no need to split the list. Many people are using one TP and plan to buy a newer model, many use several operating systems and so on. >And just think how much work it would be for PEP-Sales to cover all the >different lists. Except for the one: "IBM TP's without intentions to buy >from PEP"... No comment :-) Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 17:18:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA180475105; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:18:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11630; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:12:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11361; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais3.cais.com (cais3.cais.com [199.0.216.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11317; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais3.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07851; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:12:35 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: axel hartmann Cc: "'rj'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: NT on 750? In-Reply-To: <01BCA384.058760A0@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, axel hartmann wrote: > hi, > > On Thursday, August 07, 1997 18:23, rj wrote: > >Well I put NT 4.0 on my 701 (DX4/75, 40MB RAM, 1.3 GB HDD) about 6 months > >ago and its been running just fine; in fact it ran fairly well with 24 MB > >RAM although there was a bit of disk thrashing which is why I went to > >40MB. It doesn't have alot of the APM and while it will hibernate, coming > >out of hibernation is something of a bummer as the modems will not work > >until re-boot and the system clock has to be reset. The best point is > >that in the 6+ months running NT the box has *never* crashed; I have had > >to kill a task or two but I've never had to re-boot. > > -I don't have the RAM or the HD, but I do have the 701, so I'd just > like to know... how long does it take to boot? > -I take it you're using NT4Workstation. Yes > -Do PCMCIA-Network-Cards work? Don't have one, but a clients sysop used one to introduce my box to their network and it seemed to configure easily and ran without any obvious problem. > -Hmmm, what else? Multiple hardware configs? Docked/undocked? I don't have a Dock but I use the Multiport II all the time with no difficulty. I'm not surewhat you mean by multiple hardware configs, but I can hang a Panasonic KXL783A, a Shark 250, and can run two modems (the internal and one PCMCIA) concurrently. To be candid I could never get a Jaz drive , IOMEGA 3+ GB tape drive, nor a similar Seagate tape drive to work with my setup. Also, my Accura 56kb modem just will not work consistantly with HyperTerminal but it does seem to work ok with DialUpNetwork/RAS. > -Oh- hibernate you say... how about suspend? While I'm at it... Suspend has the same problem set as hibernate. If anyone on the list has ever been able to get hibernate to work with NT 4.0 I would really like to hear about it. > the Dial-Up-Networking Upgrade 1.2 for Win95 seems to have killed my > ability to hibernate - I see the screen upon wake-up and it reboots > instantly. Hibernating with the Start-Menu-Option just the same. > > tia, > > axel > > ............................................................................ > . Axel Hartmann . > . Paper Summer : 30 Kellogg Ave; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . > . Voice only : +1 (413) 256 - 6264 . > . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . > . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 1649 . > . E-Mail : axelh@polysci.umass.edu . > . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . > ............................................................................ > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 17:36:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA183046176; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:36:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13810; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:31:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13180; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais3.cais.com (cais3.cais.com [199.0.216.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13043; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais3.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08102; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:30:17 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Paul Khoury Cc: rj , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: NT on 750? In-Reply-To: <199708080427.VAA13496@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > > What kind of apps do you run? On my Warp box > (701, 12MB RAM, 720HD, 3 modems, 1 FLASH card 5MB), A typical session would have the following o Hyper Terminal w/internal modem to ISP o DialUpNetwork/RAS w/PCMCIA modem to a client o Exceed - an X-type interface to use over RAS to interface with with a Unix network. Ususally several Xterm windows open o cc:Mail on RAS o MS Word o FTP o InternetExplorer o MS Excel o My old but faithful BJ200 printing something from time to time I don't always have all of these active but it's not unusual. Now that I have 40 MB it runs fine, but maybe my expectations are more modest than some. BTW it did function sortof ok with 24 MB, but the disk did get a workout. > I don't have many crashes except when I run too much stuff for > my RAM capacity. I also run 32,16, and 8 bit apps simultaniously, > but I don't currently have Win-OS/2 installed (which is sort of > a good thing and a bad thing). > > Paul > Regards, > > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@earthlink.net > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 18:04:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA187677875; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:04:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15093; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:00:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14873; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ganymede.dnai.com (ganymede.dnai.com [207.33.147.80]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14857; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfoca-mweiden.pmi (dnai-204-188-12-159.dialup.dnai.com [204.188.12.159]) by ganymede.dnai.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28953; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970808131642.006ae784@disquiet.com> X-Sender: marc@disquiet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 13:16:42 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Marc Weidenbaum Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Fri, 08 Aug 1997 Cc: 701c+US.Robotics.56k@ganymede.dnai.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Any advice on installation from anyone who has tried to install the 56k x-jack on a 701c? Thanks. -mrc --- Marc Weidenbaum mailto:marc@disquiet.com http://www.disquiet.com/ http://www.citysearch7.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 18:08:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA188248135; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:08:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15288; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:04:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15127; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tpa-exchange.healthplan.com ([159.113.2.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15116; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tpa-exchange.healthplan.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCA425.C3ECC2F0@tpa-exchange.healthplan.com>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:06:16 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Garrison, Galen" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FW: Separate Lists Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:06:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I really appreciate Paul and his knowledge. All I really care about is Win95 on my 701cs 75Mhz DX4 16MB RAM/720 HDD, but I learn from his responses to everyone else's questions. Thanks Paul :-) Galen Garrison >---------- >From: axel hartmann[SMTP:axelh@polysci.umass.edu] >Sent: Friday, August 08, 1997 10:48 AM >To: ThinkPad List; 'Paul Khoury' >Subject: RE: Seperate Lists > >'llo, > >how about "Paul Khoury" and "general public"? That ought to reduce >traffic significantly... > ...sorry, no offense meant, but you've been >extremely involved lately. ;) > >In general, this list is still very managable imho. For instance, >my interest being the TP701 would on its own never justify a list. >Others (ie IT-Pros taking care of a fleet of TPs) would maybe prefer >a split along the lines of OS's rather than models. > >And just think how much work it would be for PEP-Sales to cover >all the different lists. Except for the one: "IBM TP's without >intentions to buy from PEP"... > >>Just my $0.02: > >pling pling in the penny-tray. > > >axel > >> >>Is there any way we could seperate this list into >>a few lists, like General Q&A/thoughs, OS/2 Warp ThinkPads, >>WinNT ThinkPads, Win95 ThinkPads, Linux ThinkPads? >> >>I just noticed that there is a lot of crosstalk and that maybe >>it would help to keep the list clearer. >> >>Paul >>Regards, >> >>Paul Khoury >>pkhoury@earthlink.net >> >> > > >............................................................................ >. Axel Hartmann . >. Paper Summer : 30 Kellogg Ave; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . >. Voice only : +1 (413) 256 - 6264 . >. Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . >. Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 1649 . >. E-Mail : axelh@polysci.umass.edu . >. Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . >............................................................................ > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 18:22:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA190988964; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:22:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16013; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:18:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15828; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais3.cais.com (cais3.cais.com [199.0.216.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15818; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais3.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA08834; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:18:33 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Marc Weidenbaum Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, 701c+US.Robotics.56k@ganymede.dnai.com Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Fri, 08 Aug 1997 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970808131642.006ae784@disquiet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes, don't - get the cable version. Even if you install it in the bottom slot the connector still pushes up against the expanding keyboard and you *can not* use the other slot when you using the modem. If you really insist on using this kind of setup look at the simple jack from Simple Technology - unfortunatly it will not be avail with 56kb until Fall '97, or so they say. On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Marc Weidenbaum wrote: > Any advice on installation from anyone who has tried to install the 56k > x-jack on a 701c? Thanks. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 21:57:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217481871; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:57:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22463; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:50:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22233; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22223; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip129-37-254-122.il.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-254-122.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.254.122]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA26478 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:50:27 GMT From: mocek@ibm.net (Stan Mocek) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Separate Lists Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 01:50:35 GMT Organization: IBM Global Network Reply-To: mocek@ibm.net Message-Id: <33ebcb5c.169895765@smtp1.ibm.net> References: <199708082109.AAA21910@hauki.clinet.fi> In-Reply-To: <199708082109.AAA21910@hauki.clinet.fi> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 09 Aug 97 00:08:10 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Fri, 08 Aug 1997 at 10:48 AM you, axel hartmann >, said: > >>how about "Paul Khoury" and "general public"? That ought to reduce >>traffic significantly... >> ...sorry, no offense meant, but you've been >>extremely involved lately. ;) > >You're a bit unkind to Paul, his contribution to the list has been mostly >useful IMHO. I don't think Axel meant to be unkind to Paul, he did use a smiley. Paul recently has been the most active poster to this list, and there's nothing wrong with that. (Just sort your messages by author and you'll see what I mean.) ;-) >>In general, this list is still very managable imho. For instance, my >>interest being the TP701 would on its own never justify a list. Others >>(ie IT-Pros taking care of a fleet of TPs) would maybe prefer a split >>along the lines of OS's rather than models. > >I agree with you, there's no need to split the list. Many people are using >one TP and plan to buy a newer model, many use several operating systems >and so on. I don't see any need to split it either. I've got a few other lists that are much more active. -- Stan Mocek mocek@ibm.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 22:02:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217972130; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:02:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22631; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:55:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22404; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22378; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip129-37-254-122.il.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-254-122.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.254.122]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA145838 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:55:28 GMT From: mocek@ibm.net (Stan Mocek) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 701C Hard disk and memory upgrade Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 01:55:36 GMT Organization: IBM Global Network Reply-To: mocek@ibm.net Message-Id: <33edcd07.170323182@smtp1.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For those of you who own 701C's - a bit of information. I just picked up a Toshiba MK1401MAV 1.44GB hard drive for $249 and 32MB of RAM for $250 from Corporate Direct Computer Enhancements. I saw their ad recently in comp.sys.laptops. I should have the goods by Tuesday. BTW, they don't sell the caddies. Web site is http://www.cdce.com -- Stan Mocek mocek@ibm.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 22:57:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224695437; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:57:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24416; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:50:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24241; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from genesis.blueridge.net (genesis.blueridge.net [205.152.121.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24230; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jww.blueridge.net (rc-145.blueridge.net [205.152.121.145]) by genesis.blueridge.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23318; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:51:38 -0400 Message-Id: <33EBDC6F.3974B100@blueridge.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 22:56:47 -0400 From: Will Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, axel hartmann Subject: Re: Separate Lists X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708082109.AAA21910@hauki.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dominique Pivard wrote: > On Fri, 08 Aug 1997 at 10:48 AM you, axel hartmann > , said: > > >how about "Paul Khoury" and "general public"? That ought to reduce > >traffic significantly... > > ...sorry, no offense meant, but you've been > >extremely involved lately. ;) > > You're a bit unkind to Paul, his contribution to the list has been > mostly > useful IMHO. > > >In general, this list is still very managable imho. For instance, my > >interest being the TP701 would on its own never justify a list. > Others > >(ie IT-Pros taking care of a fleet of TPs) would maybe prefer a split > > >along the lines of OS's rather than models. > > I agree with you, there's no need to split the list. Many people are > using > one TP and plan to buy a newer model, many use several operating > systems > and so on. > > >And just think how much work it would be for PEP-Sales to cover all > the > >different lists. Except for the one: "IBM TP's without intentions to > buy > >from PEP"... > > No comment :-) > > Dominique > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Dominique Pivard > Helsinki, Finland > ----------------------------------------------------------- Hear, Hear! Look, Axel, you were once as ignorant as I am now about ThinkPads, and I and others really appreciate all the help we can get. Sure, most of what I read is info I can't use since only the 750P stuff is totally relevant for me, but I'm learning, and most of what I've learned so far has come from contributors like Paul and Chris. Will Wilson From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 8 23:11:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA225696263; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:11:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24779; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:02:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24608; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24598; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA13162 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:02:47 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCA44F.6441B250@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:04:15 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: Dominique Pivard , Will Wilson Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" , axel hartmann Subject: RE: Separate Lists Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:59:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 24 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu How well does the 750P work with the pen & Win 95? Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com ---------- From: Will Wilson[SMTP:jww@blueridge.net] Sent: 1997 August 8 - Friday 22:57 To: Dominique Pivard Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; axel hartmann Subject: Re: Separate Lists ... Hear, Hear! Look, Axel, you were once as ignorant as I am now about ThinkPads, and I and others really appreciate all the help we can get. Sure, most of what I read is info I can't use since only the 750P stuff is totally relevant for me, but I'm learning, and most of what I've learned so far has come from contributors like Paul and Chris. Will Wilson From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 9 00:05:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232409554; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:05:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26562; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:56:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25904; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25892; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.142.77]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA25353; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708090356.UAA25353@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "tdwis@ibm.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 08 Aug 97 09:53:25 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warp4 on a 701 (was: NT on 750) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 22:07:26 -0700, tdwis@ibm.net wrote: >Chris Hanson wrote: > >> From: "Victor Kress" >> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 10:07:25 +0500 >> >> Now that Microsoft of Borg has assimilated Macintosh, I am >> considering >> accepting the invitable and migrating to NT from Warp 4. >> (snipped...) >> >> I think you will find NT very sluggish on this machine. I tried NT 4 >> on my 755C with 36 MB of RAM and found it to be painful. > >If he was running Warp4 he must be accustomed to sluggishness. I >installed it on one of the two hard drives for my 701 (DX4/75, 24mb) and >find it to be very slow compared to Win95, which runs quite well on the >other hard drive with the same machine. > >Though I like some things about Warp4, I'm baffled as to why there is no >feature for file management, like File Manager/Explorer on the Windows >system. This omission alone makes it almost too tedious to use. I assume >there are OS/2 file manager programs one can buy. But given that it >already comes with an array of Bonus Pack application, why would IBM >leave out something so basic? > > > I never thought of it being a problem, even for myself. I always use the command line, except for some things, I use ZTreeBold, which is the OS/2 version of XTreeGold, which I'm sure many people have heard of. If anyone wants this, I could send the shareware version also. Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 9 00:06:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232469579; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:06:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26600; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:56:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25882; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25872; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.142.77]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA25307; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708090356.UAA25307@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "axel hartmann" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 08 Aug 97 09:47:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Seperate Lists Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:48:16 -0400, axel hartmann wrote: >'llo, > >how about "Paul Khoury" and "general public"? That ought to reduce >traffic significantly... > ...sorry, no offense meant, but you've been >extremely involved lately. ;) > I thought that I've been involved for a while. >In general, this list is still very managable imho. For instance, >my interest being the TP701 would on its own never justify a list. >Others (ie IT-Pros taking care of a fleet of TPs) would maybe prefer >a split along the lines of OS's rather than models. > True. >And just think how much work it would be for PEP-Sales to cover >all the different lists. Except for the one: "IBM TP's without >intentions to buy from PEP"... > Hmm... I wonder how many people would join that list!? >>Just my $0.02: > >pling pling in the penny-tray. > Visa or American Express? Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 9 00:22:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235090519; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:21:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27312; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:16:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27025; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27015; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rainier (slip129-37-226-213.ut.us.ibm.net [129.37.226.213]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA92102 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 04:16:01 GMT Message-Id: <33EBEFD0.6B12@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 22:19:28 -0600 From: Bob Angell Reply-To: aimsllc@ibm.net Organization: Applied Information & Management Systems (AIMS) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: 760E and NT4.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ok, is anyone on the list using NT4.0 on a 760E? I have been doing this for quite some time and now have been getting the dreaded "blue screen of death" ... and can't decide if it is VisualAge C++ or Java that I have just installed?!? Any insight into this matter would be greatly appreciated. Also, would like to thank all those who have found those bargains for replacement drives lately. Thanks again. -Bob- -- Bob Angell, Principal - Sys. Engineer/Author/Consultant Applied Info & Mgnt Sys, 1238 Fenway Ave., SLC, UT 84102 v: 801-583-8544 e: aimsllc@ibm.net / bangell@cs.utah.edu -------------------------------------------------------- Applied Info & Mngmnt Systems has services as follows: Intra/Internet, Notes, Multiplatform data integration, Networking (TCPIP-SNA), Custom (AWK-PERL-C-Visualizer), Database dsgn/dev. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 9 00:38:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237051491; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:38:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27969; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:31:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27739; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27728; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.142.77]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA04460; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708090431.VAA04460@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "rj" Cc: "rj" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 08 Aug 97 21:28:26 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: NT on 750? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:30:17 -0400 (EDT), rj wrote: > > >On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> >> What kind of apps do you run? On my Warp box >> (701, 12MB RAM, 720HD, 3 modems, 1 FLASH card 5MB), > >A typical session would have the following > >o Hyper Terminal w/internal modem to ISP >o DialUpNetwork/RAS w/PCMCIA modem to a client >o Exceed - an X-type interface to use over RAS to interface with > with a Unix network. Ususally several Xterm windows open >o cc:Mail on RAS >o MS Word >o FTP >o InternetExplorer >o MS Excel >o My old but faithful BJ200 printing something from time to time > >I don't always have all of these active but it's not unusual. Now that >I have 40 MB it runs fine, but maybe my expectations are more >modest than some. BTW it did function sortof ok with 24 MB, but the >disk did get a workout. > With that many applications at once, it's important to have a reliable machine to stay up and running. I wish I could run that many apps, but my swap file would grow too big because Warp loves to swap (on a constrained system like mine), and Netscape usually kills the system because it's buggy (but I still like it nevertheless). Paul Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 9 00:40:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237311609; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:40:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28030; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:34:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27853; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27842; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.142.77]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05821 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708090434.VAA05821@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 08 Aug 97 21:32:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: NT 4 on ThinkPads Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I guess I have one question that some forgot about: What about power management? Since NT doesn't have any native power management, what is a typical battery life? I've been thinking about that for a while. Also, is there any way to install NT 4 by floppy disk, or is a CD-ROM required? And can one get to a command prompt from one of the 3 installation diskettes? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 9 00:48:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA238492104; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:48:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28318; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:43:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28227; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28209; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool027-max2.to-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.142.77]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA09038; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708090443.VAA09038@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 08 Aug 97 21:40:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: which Linux for TP701? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 08 Aug 97 23:59:48 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >Hi, > >As I'm about to enjoy the benefits of a big (21GB) hard disk Are you sure you didn't mean 2.1GB? If you meant 21, tell me where I can find one (I know Seagate has a 5.25" SCSI 23GB out now for ~$4,000.00) on my TP701C, >I'd like to install Linux on it (in addition to Warp, my current OS of >choice). Since there are so many distributions available (Red Hat, Debian, >SlackWare, Caldera etc.), I'd be most grateful if fellow TP701/Linux users >could make recommandations with compatibility issues and easy installation >in mind. > I used to have Debian on mine, until I decided to dedicate all the space to Warp, and someday get another hard drive dedicated to Linux. Debian is nice in that you can customize it better, but I am still an "above average" beginner to UNIX, and couldn't get all my apps to work. Slackware is good because you can create disk sets (ie, A, B, C, etc). I have it installed on my server and like it, but need to reinstall. >I have a 3COM Etherlink PCMCIA adapter (3C589B), an Adaptec SlimSCSI card >(APA-1460A) and an Iomega JAZ drive. I'd appreciate an automatic >installation routine that recognizes my hardware as much as possibl e and I During bootup, Linux will tell you a lot about your hardware configuration, but I have never been able to get PCMCIA working on my 701. The same goes for sound. I can't remember the URL offhand (I send it to you if I find it), but someone has a page called "Linux on the butterfly", and is somewhat informative. >especially want it to deal easily with X-Window, which is the main area I >plan to use. I don't mind paying a reasonable price for the convenience. > When setting up X Windows, type X11Setup (I think), and yes, it is case sensitive, and you can set up X itself through a graphical interface. And an important tip to get the PS/2 (Trackpoint II/III) mouse working is that I think it is /dev/psmouse, not the default. >Thanks, > >Dominique >-- >----------------------------------------------------------- >Dominique Pivard >Helsinki, Finland >----------------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 9 01:35:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA244674941; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:35:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29416; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:32:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29318; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29302; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rainier (slip129-37-226-185.ut.us.ibm.net [129.37.226.185]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA87908; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 05:31:52 GMT Message-Id: <33EC018F.6D18@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:35:11 -0600 From: Bob Angell Reply-To: aimsllc@ibm.net Organization: Applied Information & Management Systems (AIMS) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List , Paul Khoury Subject: Re: NT 4 on ThinkPads References: <199708090434.VAA05821@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > > I guess I have one question that some forgot about: > > What about power management? Since NT doesn't > have any native power management, what is a typical > battery life? I've been thinking about that for a while. I get about 1 to 1.5 hours on the battery. I generally do not use the machine off of the "pig tail". > Also, is there any way to install NT 4 by floppy disk, > or is a CD-ROM required? And can one get to a command > prompt from one of the 3 installation diskettes? > CDROM only. You cannot get a command prompt ... I would suggest an external "Backpack CDROM" you can purchase for about $150-$250. -Bob- -- Bob Angell, Principal - Sys. Engineer/Author/Consultant Applied Info & Mgnt Sys, 1238 Fenway Ave., SLC, UT 84102 v: 801-583-8544 e: aimsllc@ibm.net / bangell@cs.utah.edu -------------------------------------------------------- Applied Info & Mngmnt Systems has services as follows: Intra/Internet, Notes, Multiplatform data integration, Networking (TCPIP-SNA), Custom (AWK-PERL-C-Visualizer), Database dsgn/dev. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 9 08:05:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA283638304; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:05:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18145; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:00:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17951; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17941; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2) from localhost with smtp id ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:47:39 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:47:39 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Paul Khoury Subject: Re: which Linux for TP701? In-Reply-To: <199708090443.VAA09038@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > During bootup, Linux will tell you a lot about your hardware configuration, > but I have never been able to get PCMCIA working on my 701. The same > goes for sound. I can't remember the URL offhand (I send it to you if I find > it), but someone has a page called "Linux on the butterfly", and is somewhat > informative. http://reality.sgi.com/mende/linuxTP701/ I think there was another one but I can't find it either... Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 9 09:25:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA290653143; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:25:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19026; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:20:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18916; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais2.cais.com (cais2.cais.com [199.0.216.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18906; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais2.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12172; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:20:23 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: NT 4 on ThinkPads In-Reply-To: <199708090434.VAA05821@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > I guess I have one question that some forgot about: > > What about power management? Since NT doesn't > have any native power management, what is a typical > battery life? I've been thinking about that for a while. Maybe 1.5 hrs; typically the 701 is nursing off the wall socket. > > Also, is there any way to install NT 4 by floppy disk, > or is a CD-ROM required? And can one get to a command > prompt from one of the 3 installation diskette The short answer is no; however, there is a way to load all the files onto a DOS partitian build boot floppies and start the load from a DOS prompt. I had to do this since there weren't any NT drivers available at that time for my CDROM drive. > > Paul > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 9 15:59:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA030366768; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:59:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27379; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:49:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27150; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27139; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0wxHW0-0001wWC; Sat, 9 Aug 97 12:49 PDT Received: from ladybug by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12185; Sat, 9 Aug 97 12:49:31 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:51:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Serenella Ciongoli X-Sender: czs00@ladybug To: Christoph Eyrich Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: which Linux for TP701? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Christoph Eyrich wrote: > On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> During bootup, Linux will tell you a lot about your hardware configuration, >> but I have never been able to get PCMCIA working on my 701. The same >> goes for sound. I can't remember the URL offhand (I send it to you if I find >> it), but someone has a page called "Linux on the butterfly", and is somewhat >> informative. > > http://reality.sgi.com/mende/linuxTP701/ > > I think there was another one but I can't find it either... http://www.mindspring.com/~jhind/tplinux/ http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html http://www.castle.net/X-notebook/index_linux.html Serenella Ciongoli From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 9 21:54:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA066438069; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:54:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04189; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:52:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04109; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04099; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16602; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:51:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: PowerPC thinkpad: where to get one? Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know where you can buy or (preferably) rent a PowerPC thinkpad? I had in mind the 860 Model but the 850 would work for me as well. Thanks Joshua Hosseinof hosseino@ymail.yu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 9 23:27:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA074983637; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:27:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05657; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:25:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05575; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05565; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (1Cust14.max11.portland2.or.ms.uu.net [153.37.247.142]) by mail1.eni.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA10726; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970809202720.006a0144@eni.net> X-Sender: pele.eni.net@eni.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 20:27:20 -0700 To: rj , Marc Weidenbaum From: Peter Lewis Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Fri, 08 Aug 1997 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, 701c+US.Robotics.56k@ganymede.dnai.com In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970808131642.006ae784@disquiet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:18 PM 8/8/97 -0400, rj wrote: >Yes, don't - get the cable version. Even if you install it in the >bottom slot the connector still pushes up against the expanding >keyboard and you *can not* use the other slot when you using the >modem. If you really insist on using this kind of setup look at the >simple jack from Simple Technology - unfortunatly it will not be >avail with 56kb until Fall '97, or so they say. > >On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Marc Weidenbaum wrote: > >> Any advice on installation from anyone who has tried to install the 56k >> x-jack on a 701c? Thanks. >> > > excellent advice on going with the cable version. otherwise, if you're under Win95, this is a truly plug & play easy set up. -- Peter Lewis pele@wolfenet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 10 14:51:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA161389095; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:51:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01692; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:44:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01432; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01421; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max1-ot-ca-48.earthlink.net (max1-ot-ca-48.earthlink.net [206.149.196.98]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20784 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708101844.LAA20784@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 97 09:45:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Separate Lists Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 09 Aug 1997 01:50:35 GMT, Stan Mocek wrote: >On Sat, 09 Aug 97 00:08:10 +0300, Dominique Pivard >wrote: > >>On Fri, 08 Aug 1997 at 10:48 AM you, axel hartmann >>, said: >> >>>how about "Paul Khoury" and "general public"? That ought to reduce >>>traffic significantly... >>> ...sorry, no offense meant, but you've been >>>extremely involved lately. ;) >> >>You're a bit unkind to Paul, his contribution to the list has been mostly >>useful IMHO. > >I don't think Axel meant to be unkind to Paul, he did use a smiley. >Paul recently has been the most active poster to this list, and >there's nothing wrong with that. (Just sort your messages by author >and you'll see what I mean.) ;-) > >>>In general, this list is still very managable imho. For instance, my >>>interest being the TP701 would on its own never justify a list. Others >>>(ie IT-Pros taking care of a fleet of TPs) would maybe prefer a split >>>along the lines of OS's rather than models. >> >>I agree with you, there's no need to split the list. Many people are using >>one TP and plan to buy a newer model, many use several operating systems >>and so on. > >I don't see any need to split it either. I've got a few other lists >that are much more active. > I guess it was a though, but everyone's right that there is no real need to split the list. On the other list I belong to, developing Linux for the XT, we probably need to split it because of too much crosstalk (myself included, but not the main contributer :-> ). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 10 14:51:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA161429105; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:51:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01651; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:43:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01367; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01357; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max1-ot-ca-48.earthlink.net (max1-ot-ca-48.earthlink.net [206.149.196.98]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20369; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708101842.LAA20369@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Joshua Hosseinof" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 97 09:30:02 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PowerPC thinkpad: where to get one? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:51:37 -0400 (EDT), Joshua Hosseinof wrote: >Does anyone know where you can buy or (preferably) rent a PowerPC >thinkpad? I had in mind the 860 Model but the 850 would work for me as >well. > >Thanks > >Joshua Hosseinof >hosseino@ymail.yu.edu > > With Windows NT or AIX? If you call IBM direct or even do a search on Yahoo, you should find lots of stuff. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 08:10:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271201432; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:10:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15383; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:00:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14688; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from femail.physics.ox.ac.uk (femail.physics.ox.ac.uk [163.1.244.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14670; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pc138.physics.ox.ac.uk (pc138.physics.ox.ac.uk [163.1.240.208]) by femail.physics.ox.ac.uk id NAA13004 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:00:05 +0100 Message-Id: <199708111200.NAA13004@femail.physics.ox.ac.uk> From: "Geoff Hogan" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 13:00:07 Reply-To: "Geoff Hogan" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warp4 on a 701 (was: NT on 750) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >If he was running Warp4 he must be accustomed to sluggishness. I >installed it on one of the two hard drives for my 701 (DX4/75, 24mb) and >find it to be very slow compared to Win95, which runs quite well on the I run Warp 4 on my desktop (P133, 40MB, 1GB) where it runs happily, but Warp Connect on my TP 755cx (P75, 16MB, 540MB (shared with Linux) on which it runs fine, though noticably slower. And that's the way I intend to leave it - Warp 4 does seem to need more recources than Warp 3 (I had 16MB on my desktop before I upgraded to 32MB and then 40MB. The performace gain of this last step I found barely noticeable, I was simply using up a redundant SIMM that a colleague couldn't use, but the first made a huge difference!). >Though I like some things about Warp4, I'm baffled as to why there is no >feature for file management, like File Manager/Explorer on the Windows >system. This omission alone makes it almost too tedious to use. I assume >there are OS/2 file manager programs one can buy. Not being that familiar with Windows systems I'm not quite sure how the OS/2 Drives function differs from the Win95 Explorer. You have drag and drop file moving, copying, deleting and creating shadows (similar to the Win95 shortcut) as well as access to object properties, editing text files, running programmes, etc. Mind you, having said that, and having cut my teeth in the days of DOS on an XT I'm still not entirely comfortable with the object oriented concept and mainly use File Commander/2, a shareware equivalent of Norton Commander, for file handling. Geoff --------------------------------------------------------------- Dr G P Hogan Laser Group, Clarendon Lab., Tel: +44 1865 272205 Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3PU Fax: +44 1865 272400 UK Email: g.hogan@physics.ox.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 08:17:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272231872; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:17:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15691; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:15:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15575; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gte.com (h132-197-8-26.gte.com [132.197.8.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15557; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johanna.gte.com by gte.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970811081247.00b88414@pophost.gte.com> X-Sender: jls5@pophost.gte.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:12:47 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jeff Sokolov Subject: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone been successful at swapping the Control and Caps Lock keys on their Thinkpad? Thanks in advance, Jeff ----------------------------------------------- Jeff Sokolov (jsokolov@gte.com) Senior Member of the Technical Staff Service Concept and Design Department GTE Laboratories Incorporated 40 Sylvan Road, MS 38 Waltham, MA 02154 (617) 466-4042 (phone) (617) 466-4035 (fax) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 08:55:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA276144103; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:55:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17291; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:52:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17063; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17052; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA17858 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:53:05 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCA634.303A7960@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:54:33 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Separate Lists Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:50:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 37 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I agree. Keep posting, Paul. Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com ---------- From: Will Wilson[SMTP:jww@blueridge.net] Sent: 1997 August 8 - Friday 22:57 To: Dominique Pivard Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; axel hartmann Subject: Re: Separate Lists Dominique Pivard wrote: > On Fri, 08 Aug 1997 at 10:48 AM you, axel hartmann > , said: > > >how about "Paul Khoury" and "general public"? That ought to reduce > >traffic significantly... > > ...sorry, no offense meant, but you've been > >extremely involved lately. ;) > > You're a bit unkind to Paul, his contribution to the list has been > mostly > useful IMHO. ,,, Hear, Hear! Look, Axel, you were once as ignorant as I am now about ThinkPads, and I and others really appreciate all the help we can get. Sure, most of what I read is info I can't use since only the 750P stuff is totally relevant for me, but I'm learning, and most of what I've learned so far has come from contributors like Paul and Chris. Will Wilson From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 11:29:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA297713382; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:29:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26551; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:24:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26089; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26076; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA04380 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:24:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970811102407.006a26e4@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:24:07 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970811081247.00b88414@pophost.gte.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:12 AM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >Has anyone been successful at swapping the Control and Caps Lock keys on >their Thinkpad? If you mean swapping the physical key tops, then I can't help you. Otherwise, it is quite possible, depending on what operating system you are running. I know that I used to do so under OS/2 Warp, but can't recall the specific utility used. Now, I'm using Win95 and use one of Microsoft's free "toys" to do it. Perhaps if you share your operating choice with the group, you'll get a better answer. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 11:29:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA297753385; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:29:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26553; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:24:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26110; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kensey.clearstation.com (kensey.clearstation.com [207.21.98.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26088; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kensey@localhost) by kensey.clearstation.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05152; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:12:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Fairclough To: Jeff Sokolov Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970811081247.00b88414@pophost.gte.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu no kidding ! maybe i'm just used to a unix keyboard, but the positioning of caps lock on a pc is totally frustrating ... On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Jeff Sokolov wrote: > Has anyone been successful at swapping the Control and Caps Lock keys on > their Thinkpad? > > Thanks in advance, > Jeff > > ----------------------------------------------- > Jeff Sokolov (jsokolov@gte.com) > Senior Member of the Technical Staff > Service Concept and Design Department > GTE Laboratories Incorporated > 40 Sylvan Road, MS 38 > Waltham, MA 02154 > (617) 466-4042 (phone) > (617) 466-4035 (fax) > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 11:32:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA298383558; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:32:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26835; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:30:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26644; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gte.com (h132-197-8-26.gte.com [132.197.8.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26630; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from johanna.gte.com by gte.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970811112715.00eefbd4@pophost.gte.com> X-Sender: jls5@pophost.gte.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:27:16 -0400 To: Ron Heiby From: Jeff Sokolov Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am using Windows 95. I don't care about the physical key tops, I care about the functionality but you figured that out. -- Jeff At 10:24 AM 8/11/97 -0500, Ron Heiby wrote: >At 08:12 AM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Has anyone been successful at swapping the Control and Caps Lock keys on >>their Thinkpad? > >If you mean swapping the physical key tops, then I can't help you. > >Otherwise, it is quite possible, depending on what operating system you are >running. I know that I used to do so under OS/2 Warp, but can't recall the >specific utility used. Now, I'm using Win95 and use one of Microsoft's free >"toys" to do it. > >Perhaps if you share your operating choice with the group, you'll get a >better answer. >-- >Ron. > > ----------------------------------------------- Jeff Sokolov (jsokolov@gte.com) Senior Member of the Technical Staff Service Concept and Design Department GTE Laboratories Incorporated 40 Sylvan Road, MS 38 Waltham, MA 02154 (617) 466-4042 (phone) (617) 466-4035 (fax) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 12:07:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004025637; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:07:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00552; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:06:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00445; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00431; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool051-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool051-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.51]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18645; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708111605.JAA18645@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Doug Fairclough" , "Jeff Sokolov" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 09:02:41 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug Fairclough wrote: > >no kidding ! maybe i'm just used to >a unix keyboard, but the positioning >of caps lock on a pc is totally frustrating ... Are you talking about one of those dumb terminal keyboards with the PF keys? I find it annonying myself that Linux doesn't even use the delete key in the same way OS/2 and DOS/Windows does. Paul > >On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Jeff Sokolov wrote: > >> Has anyone been successful at swapping the Control and Caps Lock keys on >> their Thinkpad? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Jeff >> >> ----------------------------------------------- >> Jeff Sokolov (jsokolov@gte.com) >> Senior Member of the Technical Staff >> Service Concept and Design Department >> GTE Laboratories Incorporated >> 40 Sylvan Road, MS 38 >> Waltham, MA 02154 >> (617) 466-4042 (phone) >> (617) 466-4035 (fax) >> > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 12:42:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA009417738; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:42:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04999; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:41:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04770; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04747; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fofyplfq (ip250.white-plains2.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.124.250]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA19700 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:40:18 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCA653.B9B9F700.rponiarski@earthlink.net> From: "Richard M. Poniarski" Reply-To: "rponiarski@earthlink.net" To: "'ThinkPad List' (E-mail)" Subject: Installing a modem on 365XD Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:36:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I had a lot of trouble installing my new modem on my TP365XD. Actually it is the second time I am trying. I first tried with a Practical Peripherals 56K PCMCIA card, and now with a Hayes Accura 56K one. On the first I couldn't get it to install at all. With the Hayes it does install, but I have a couple of problems I hope that the group can me with. 1) In order to install the modem I had to disable the serial port on COM2. The modem now uses that port. This is strange since my old modem (a Cardinal 28800 PCMCIA) used COM3. If I need that serial port back what do I do? Is it possible to switch the modem to COM3 like the other one? 2) In the Device Manager of Windows95 I have *2* entries for the modem. This may have to do with the fact that I had to abort the initial detection of the modem as it wanted to install the "Standard PCMCIA Modem" rather than the Hayes. What do I do about this; keep both or try to get rid of one? Richard M. Poniarski rponiarski@earthlink.net '95 BMW 318ti Sport The 318ti Site http://home.earthlink.net/~rponiarski/ "If you have to ask..." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 12:53:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA010968405; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:53:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05850; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:52:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05685; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05673; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA09543; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:52:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970811115218.006a7450@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:52:18 -0500 To: Jeff Sokolov From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970811112715.00eefbd4@pophost.gte.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:27 AM 8/11/97 -0400, Jeff Sokolov wrote: >I am using Windows 95. I don't care about the physical key tops, I care >about the functionality but you figured that out. OK! Then you probably want to visit and look for the "Windows 95 Keyboard Remap" hot link. For other neat stuff, I suggest , especially the Power Toys. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 13:29:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA017360556; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:29:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10928; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:28:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10819; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from r02n05.cac.psu.edu (r02a05.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10782; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rfm.cac.psu.edu (access-isdn1-34.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.228.164]) by r02n05.cac.psu.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA36660 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:28:05 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970811132744.007ca210@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:27:44 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Munzenrider Subject: Paul Khoury Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I want to stand up & be counted as one who is glad that this list has a person like Paul who is willing to take time to answer queries. Thanks, Paul. Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 13:45:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020261539; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:45:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13198; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:43:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12885; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12845; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool037-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool037-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.112]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01049; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708111743.KAA01049@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Geoff Hogan" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 10:40:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Warp4 on a 701 (was: NT on 750) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 11 Aug 97 13:00:07, Geoff Hogan wrote: >>If he was running Warp4 he must be accustomed to sluggishness. I >>installed it on one of the two hard drives for my 701 (DX4/75, 24mb) a= nd >>find it to be very slow compared to Win95, which runs quite well on th= e > >I run Warp 4 on my desktop (P133, 40MB, 1GB) where it runs happily, but= Warp >Connect on my TP 755cx (P75, 16MB, 540MB (shared with Linux) on which i= t runs fine, >though noticably slower. And that's the way I intend to leave it - War= p 4 does seem to >need more recources than Warp 3 (I had 16MB on my desktop before I upgr= aded to >32MB and then 40MB. The performace gain of this last step I found bare= ly noticeable, >I was simply using up a redundant SIMM that a colleague couldn't use, b= ut the first >made a huge difference!). > >>Though I like some things about Warp4, I'm baffled as to why there is = no >>feature for file management, like File Manager/Explorer on the Windows= >>system. This omission alone makes it almost too tedious to use. I assu= me >>there are OS/2 file manager programs one can buy. > >Not being that familiar with Windows systems I'm not quite sure how the= OS/2 Drives >function differs from the Win95 Explorer. You have drag and drop file = moving, copying, >deleting and creating shadows (similar to the Win95 shortcut) as well a= s access to >object properties, editing text files, running programmes, etc. Mind y= ou, having said >that, and having cut my teeth in the days of DOS on an XT I'm still not= entirely >comfortable with the object oriented concept and mainly use File Comman= der/2, a >shareware equivalent of Norton Commander, for file handling. > >Geoff > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Dr G P Hogan >Laser Group, Clarendon Lab., Tel: +44 1865 272205 >Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3PU Fax: +44 1865 272400 >UK Email: g.hogan@physics.ox.ac.uk >--------------------------------------------------------------- > > I use a program called ZTreeBold, which is a clone of XTreeGold for OS/2. I also prefer a regular command line, as this is what I am accustomed to and another reason that I am so comfortable with Linux and OS/2, though a GUI is still nice for a lot of other tasks. I think that it's also because Windows users are bigtime mouse users, but you don't "always" need a mouse in OS/2, or especially Linux. Just 2=BD again. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 14:12:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028983163; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:12:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15091; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:12:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15014; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15004; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool040-max7.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool040-max7.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.115]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18426; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708111811.LAA18426@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "'ThinkPad List' (E-mail)" , "rponiarski@earthlink.net" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 10:56:39 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Installing a modem on 365XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:36:42 -0400, Richard M. Poniarski wrote: > I had a lot of trouble installing my new modem on my TP365XD. Actually it >is the second time I am trying. I first tried with a Practical Peripherals >56K PCMCIA card, and now with a Hayes Accura 56K one. On the first I >couldn't get it to install at all. With the Hayes it does install, but I >have a couple of problems I hope that the group can me with. > > 1) In order to install the modem I had to disable the serial port on COM2. >The modem now uses that port. This is strange since my old modem (a >Cardinal 28800 PCMCIA) used COM3. If I need that serial port back what do I >do? Is it possible to switch the modem to COM3 like the other one? > > 2) In the Device Manager of Windows95 I have *2* entries for the modem. >This may have to do with the fact that I had to abort the initial detection >of the modem as it wanted to install the "Standard PCMCIA Modem" rather >than the Hayes. What do I do about this; keep both or try to get rid of >one? > >Richard M. Poniarski >rponiarski@earthlink.net >'95 BMW 318ti Sport >The 318ti Site >http://home.earthlink.net/~rponiarski/ >"If you have to ask..." > > > One of the nice things about both OS/2 and Linux is multiple COM ports and non-standard resources, like how I have my Home & Away modem on COM3, irq 11. If you can do something like this in Win95, you might solve your problems with disabling other COM ports. Also, if you use an external mouse, or the Trackpoint (about everyone), the PS/2 mouse port uses IRQ 12. Usually it goes like this: COM1 - IRQ 4 COM2 - IRQ 3 COM3 - IRQ 5 N COM4 - IRQ 7 N LPT1 - 7 LPT2 - 5 FLOPPY DRIVE - IRQ 6 HARD DRIVE0 - IRQ 14 HARD DRIVE1 - IRQ 15 MATH COPROCESSOR - IRQ 13 PS/2 MOUSE - IRQ 12 IRQ 2 "turns into" IRQ 9 And I think 1 and 8 are used for something else too. I put an N where you can negotiate the IRQs. If you have any other questions, email me. Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 11 16:02:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA052039765; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:02:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21225; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:00:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20856; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais2.cais.com (cais2.cais.com [199.0.216.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20845; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais2.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26490; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:00:08 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Jeff Sokolov Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970811081247.00b88414@pophost.gte.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There is a DOS TSR that will perform this function and it works ok on my 701; however, it doesn't work real well with Windows programs. If DOS is your OS of choice for interfacing with UNIX, let me know and I'll see if I can dredge it up. On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Jeff Sokolov wrote: > Has anyone been successful at swapping the Control and Caps Lock keys on > their Thinkpad? > > Thanks in advance, > Jeff > > ----------------------------------------------- > Jeff Sokolov (jsokolov@gte.com) > Senior Member of the Technical Staff > Service Concept and Design Department > GTE Laboratories Incorporated > 40 Sylvan Road, MS 38 > Waltham, MA 02154 > (617) 466-4042 (phone) > (617) 466-4035 (fax) > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 02:20:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA170356834; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:20:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15321; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:18:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15119; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15109; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07413; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:17:52 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) id QAA06056; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:17:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:17:43 +1000 (EST) To: Jeff Sokolov Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970811112715.00eefbd4@pophost.gte.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Jeff Sokolov wrote: > I am using Windows 95. I don't care about the physical key tops, I care > about the functionality but you figured that out. > > >>Has anyone been successful at swapping the Control and Caps Lock keys on > >>their Thinkpad? > > > >If you mean swapping the physical key tops, then I can't help you. > > problem i have is hitting the lower left control key by accident, instead of shift, thereby hanging telnet via winsock in win95. any solutions welcomed. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 02:23:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA170637038; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:23:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15580; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:23:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15485; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15475; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 02:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09522 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:23:07 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) id QAA06302; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:23:06 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:22:59 +1000 (EST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:17:43 +1000 (EST) On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Jeff Sokolov wrote: > I am using Windows 95. I don't care about the physical key tops, I care > about the functionality but you figured that out. > > >>Has anyone been successful at swapping the Control and Caps Lock keys on > >>their Thinkpad? > > > >If you mean swapping the physical key tops, then I can't help you. > > problem i have is hitting the lower left control key by accident, instead of shift, thereby hanging telnet via winsock in win95. oops: (trumpet) winsock any solutions welcomed. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 12:30:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA241813455; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:30:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18067; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:26:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17804; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17794; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA03692; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:25:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970812112448.00698350@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:24:48 -0500 To: Alden S Klovdahl From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys Cc: Jeff Sokolov , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.32.19970811112715.00eefbd4@pophost.gte.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >problem i have is hitting the lower left control key by accident, instead >of shift, thereby hanging telnet via winsock in win95. The Kernel Toy I mentioned in my earlier Email should allow you to map the control key to shift. It is not restricted to merely swapping keys. I use it to swap Ctrl and Caps Lock on the left, but on the right side I have mapped Alt to the Window key and Ctrl to the Menu key. Since my ThinkPad doesn't have these new Win95 keys, the mapping software allows me to have them on a standard keyboard. The only down-side is that there are one or two programs that use Alt-arrow or Ctrl-arrow for which a one-handed keypress is no longer possible. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 14:21:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259090093; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:21:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24587; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:18:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24199; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.16.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24167; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.8.6) id NAA27313 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:18:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LE116 (le116.linkexchange.com [204.71.189.116] (may be forged)) by mail.execpc.com (8.8.6/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA20096 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:18:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <33F0A8C8.F4C84F4B@execpc.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:17:44 -0700 From: Jay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Function Keys X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thinkpads, is there a way to emulate Function (F1, F2, etc) keys? Or if I plug in a full size keyboard will the Function keys work? Thanks, Jay From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 15:58:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA279715915; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:58:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03000; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:57:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02816; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02798; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unkle.uplanet.com (host-166-202.uplanet.com [204.163.166.202]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03682 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970812125633.007b7e60@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:56:33 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jesse Montrose Subject: Re: Function Keys In-Reply-To: <33F0A8C8.F4C84F4B@execpc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:17 AM 8/12/97 -0700, Jay wrote: >On Thinkpads, is there a way to emulate Function (F1, F2, etc) keys? Or >if I plug in a full size keyboard will the Function keys work? Which model do you have? I didn't think there were any thinkpads without a full set of F1-F12 function keys. Or are yours damaged? At any rate, plugging in a fullsize keyboard works fine. _____________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.spine.com After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 16:21:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA283597306; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:21:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04394; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:20:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04304; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04294; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aludra.usc.edu (aludra.usc.edu [128.125.19.184]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with ESMTP id NAA16117 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sterni@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id NAA26058 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:20:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aludra.usc.edu: sterni owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "John W. Sterni" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970812112448.00698350@popmail.mcs.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello All, Since we are all on the lines of key swapping and remapping, I was wondering if anyone knows if you can remap the Fn key onto a full-size keyboard. I really hate having to unplug my keyboard every time i want use it. Thanks in advance... -=john=- ----------------------------------- Signature file for John Sterni Mariah Carey fan Always and Forever http://www-scf.usc.edu/~sterni ----------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 16:55:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288679312; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:55:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07779; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:54:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07641; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07631; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu (128.119.70.196) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:57:35 -0400 Received: by rheo-port.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA740.59594760@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu>; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:54:07 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCA740.59594760@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> From: axel hartmann To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'Jesse Montrose'" Subject: RE: Function Keys Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:54:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I'm not sure if that was how the question was originally meant, but are the Fn-F1..Fn-F12 keys mapped in any way? I.e., can I hot-key the Thinkpad into hibernate using the external keyboard? My Thinkpad has the full set of Function keys 1 through 12, btw. Oh, that's what you were saying... axel >>On Thinkpads, is there a way to emulate Function (F1, F2, etc) keys? Or >>if I plug in a full size keyboard will the Function keys work? > >Which model do you have? > >I didn't think there were any thinkpads without a full set of F1-F12 >function keys. Or are yours damaged? > >At any rate, plugging in a fullsize keyboard works fine. > ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper Summer : 30 Kellogg Ave; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice only : +1 (413) 256 - 6264 . . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 1649 . . E-Mail : axelh@polysci.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 17:21:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA292910868; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:21:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10432; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:20:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10334; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10300; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.34]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA13762 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708122119.OAA13762@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 14:17:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone who didn't get the ThinkPad Assistant, decided they want it, or had trouble recieving it can download it off my web site, running directly off my ThinkPad. Please note that once I disconnect, the address will change, so please do not bookmark this. Paul http://pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 17:39:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA296291960; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:39:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12426; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:38:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12262; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12197; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.34]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22103; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708122137.OAA22103@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Ron Heiby" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 14:34:48 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:25:19 -0500, Ron Heiby wrote: >At 02:17 PM 8/12/97, you wrote: >>http://pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net/ > >Couldn't find a reasonable looking file. Info on installing didn't have >links to the files. Download wouldn't let me in. Thanks, anyway! >-- >Ron. > Sorry, but I didn't integrate the download link. It will be deleted. Try again in about a literal 30-45 seconds. Thanks. Paul From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 12 18:14:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004654078; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:14:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07500; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:50:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07043; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07033; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA16600; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:50:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970812155024.006b0380@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:50:24 -0500 To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys Cc: "John W. Sterni" In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19970812112448.00698350@popmail.mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:20 PM 8/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >wondering if anyone knows if you can remap the Fn key onto a full-size I'm pretty sure that this key is an "exception" and is tied into the BIOS in a different way, specifically for machine control. I'd be surprised if you were able to find software to manipulate it in any way. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 12 18:15:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004914130; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:15:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07558; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:51:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07115; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07084; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.34]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29724; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708122050.NAA29724@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John W. Sterni" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 13:48:10 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:20:46 -0700 (PDT), John W. Sterni wrote: >Hello All, > >Since we are all on the lines of key swapping and remapping, I was >wondering if anyone knows if you can remap the Fn key onto a full-size >keyboard. I really hate having to unplug my keyboard every time i want >use it. > >Thanks in advance... >-=john=- > That would definately be something I'm sure everyone could use. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 18:21:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA006304468; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:21:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14863; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:20:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14757; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14747; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.34]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA10633 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708122220.PAA10633@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 15:17:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To everyone who tried to download the ThinkPad assistant, sorry about the buggy HTML code. It should work now. Again, the URL is http://pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Please try it again and tell me if it works okay. I even downloaded the images myself to another directory from WebExplorar (I had always used Netscape/2 before). Thanks again, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 18:27:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA008864838; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:27:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15210; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:26:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15087; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15074; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.34]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02502 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708122226.PAA02502@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 15:23:43 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TPAD Asst Web site Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't mean to keep bugging the list, but I forgot to mention that if anyone experiances a slow transfer rate, it's because of 1. 14.4Kbps modem (Home & Away), and 2. Internet overhead. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 18:52:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA013896332; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:52:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16307; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:50:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16117; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from barney.usu.edu (barney.usu.edu [129.123.1.89]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16107; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foobar.usu.edu (asy47.xy1.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.0-5 #11556) id <01IMCY1Z9IB8AGA3VK@cc.usu.edu>; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:52:47 -0600 From: "Greg A." Subject: Re: TPAD Asst Web site To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Reply-To: slppj@cc.usu.edu Message-Id: <33F0E93E.53F4@cc.usu.edu> Organization: USU Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708122226.PAA02502@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > > I don't mean to keep bugging the list, but I forgot to mention > that if anyone experiances a slow transfer rate, it's because of > > 1. 14.4Kbps modem (Home & Away), and > 2. Internet overhead. > > Paul Paul I went back and it worked just fine I downloaded the files for the TP assistant. Thanks a lot. I used to have it somewhere but I think it's on an old tape backup from when I had windows 3.1 on my 701cs. BTW I think it was really neat being able to download from one 701 to another via the web and 2 14.4 modems. Guess these old 701's are still pretty damn good for something. BTW the ThinPad assistant file is on the OS2 page and the and the file to view it in windows is on the windows page for anyone else who goes looking. Makes me feel like a bit of a bum for not setting up a useful thinkpad site myself. Thanks again Paul. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 19:04:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA015957084; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:04:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16745; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16653; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16641; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool034-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.34]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07099; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708122302.QAA07099@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "slppj@cc.usu.edu" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 15:59:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TPAD Asst Web site Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:52:47 -0600, Greg A. wrote: >Paul Khoury wrote: >> >> I don't mean to keep bugging the list, but I forgot to mention >> that if anyone experiances a slow transfer rate, it's because of >> >> 1. 14.4Kbps modem (Home & Away), and >> 2. Internet overhead. >> >> Paul >Paul I went back and it worked just fine I downloaded the files for the >TP assistant. Thanks a lot. I used to have it somewhere but I think >it's on an old tape backup from when I had windows 3.1 on my 701cs. BTW >I think it was really neat being able to download from one 701 to >another via the web and 2 14.4 modems. Guess these old 701's are still >pretty damn good for something. I thought everyone downloading from my machine would have >= 14.4Kbps. I just got a new Home & Away replacement from IBM, so I was using an Intel External 9.6Kbps modem. It does seem funny that a little machine like mine with ONLY 12MB RAM could be a real Web server. >BTW the ThinPad assistant file is on the OS2 page and the and the file >to view it in windows is on the windows page for anyone else who goes >looking. You mean ThinkPad right (unless you're referreing to the 701 or 560 :-> )? >Makes me feel like a bit of a bum for not setting up a useful thinkpad >site myself. Well, at least if you do, you'll learn about what's buggy in the HTML code from my site ;-> >Thanks again Paul. > No problem to all. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 20:19:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA027171552; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:19:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19780; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:16:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19613; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19554; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool053-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool053-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.203]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA19935 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130015.RAA19935@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 17:10:58 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just for those who are curious, check out http://toy.cabi.net It's about the IBM PalmPC 110 and Linux on it. It weighs < 700grams. Also, my hostname has changed because someone called in (and I'm not allowed to block call waiting :-< ). It's http://pool053-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net For anyone who doesn't yet know, this is to download the ThinkPad Assistant from my web server. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 20:34:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029262460; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:34:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20234; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:32:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20127; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20117; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0wyRM9-00016fC; Tue, 12 Aug 97 17:32 PDT Received: from ladybug by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19956; Tue, 12 Aug 97 17:32:07 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Serenella Ciongoli X-Sender: czs00@ladybug To: "John W. Sterni" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, would any of you out there know a similar tool to swap (at least) Caps and Ctrl keys for NT3.5.1 or NT4.0? Thanks. Serenella Ciongoli From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 22:12:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA041348325; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:12:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23400; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:09:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23179; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23138; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool068-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool068-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.143]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA08317 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130208.TAA08317@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 19:06:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Web server for TPAD Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, sorry about this message again, but the address once again changed. This is for those who just checked their email. It's http://pool068-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net Again, this is to get the ThinkPad Assistant and Windows viewer. The Windows viewer is in "Windows stuff", and the ThinkPad Assistant is in "OS/2 Stuff" Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 22:12:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA041328323; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:12:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23398; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:09:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23165; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23148; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool068-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool068-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.143]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA08080 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130209.TAA08080@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 19:06:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Web server for TPAD Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, sorry about this message again, but the address once again changed. This is for those who just checked their email. It's http://pool068-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net Again, this is to get the ThinkPad Assistant and Windows viewer. The Windows viewer is in "Windows stuff", and the ThinkPad Assistant is in "OS/2 Stuff" Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 23:16:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA048402172; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:16:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25312; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:11:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25142; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25127; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu (128.119.70.196) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:14:19 -0400 Received: by rheo-port.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA774.FA24EC60@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu>; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:10:51 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCA774.FA24EC60@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> From: axel hartmann To: ThinkPad List , "'Paul Khoury'" Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:10:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi all, >Just for those who are curious, check out > >http://toy.cabi.net what a great address! beats my current, norwegian favorite "maybe.yes.no"! >It's about the IBM PalmPC 110 and Linux on it. It weighs < 700grams. how about we bestow upon the PC110 the degree of honorary ThinkPad - it's a class smaller but i sure would love to hear about it on this list... >Also, my hostname has changed because someone called in [...] >Assistant from my web server. and just to set the record straight, i wasn't being mean to paul a few days back - but just today half of my inbox was from paul - and i don't mind! greets, axel ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper Summer : 30 Kellogg Ave; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice only : +1 (413) 256 - 6264 . . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 1649 . . E-Mail : axelh@polysci.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 12 23:22:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA049542577; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:22:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25605; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:21:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25495; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25485; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool068-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool068-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.143]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11644; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130320.UAA11644@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "axel hartmann" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 20:17:49 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:10:48 -0400, axel hartmann wrote: >hi all, > >>Just for those who are curious, check out >> >>http://toy.cabi.net > >what a great address! beats my current, norwegian favorite "maybe.yes.n= o"! > >>It's about the IBM PalmPC 110 and Linux on it. It weighs < 700grams. > >how about we bestow upon the PC110 the degree of honorary ThinkPad - >it's a class smaller but i sure would love to hear about it on this >list... > >>Also, my hostname has changed because someone called in >[...] >>Assistant from my web server. > >and just to set the record straight, i wasn't being mean to >paul a few days back - but just today half of my inbox was >from paul - and i don't mind! > >greets, > >axel > I didn't take offense, but thought it was a little funny at first. I guess I do post to this list a lot, but I don't have that much time on my hands. Well, I guess I do, but I have 2 original IBM PCs, this ThinkPad 701cs, a PS/2 Model 60, and a Pentium server running OS/2, soon Linux all at the same time, some now over 24 hours!!! So I have been working on ELKS (Linux) from another list and respond a lot there also. Just my 4=BD plus advance payment. Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 00:25:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA057076327; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:25:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28128; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:24:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28052; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28041; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibmtp701c (ppp-206-171-239-160.psdn11.pacbell.net [206.171.239.160]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.6/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id VAA17861; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:27:26 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCA766.879198A0.eddy@pacbell.net> From: Eddy Lin Reply-To: "eddy@pacbell.net" To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: NT 4 on ThinkPads Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:27:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My experience with NT 4.0 on the 701C is quite good. [NT Server on 701C w/1.44GB and 40MB RAM] If my system is used 20-30% by me while it's on, the battery actually lasts a good 4-5 hours. For example, today I have my 701C started at about 11AM with a fully charged NiMH battery connected to a token ring network. Even though I used the machine barely today, the battery didn't die until 4PM. I do have the BIOS shut off the screen and the harddrive when not in use for 5-10 minutes though. Even at 40MB, NT is slow compared to a typical Pentium-90 with 32MB of RAM. But it's rock solid and in general robust. Eddy Lin -----Original Message----- From: rj [SMTP:rj@cais2.cais.com] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 1997 6:20 AM To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: NT 4 on ThinkPads On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > I guess I have one question that some forgot about: > > What about power management? Since NT doesn't > have any native power management, what is a typical > battery life? I've been thinking about that for a while. Maybe 1.5 hrs; typically the 701 is nursing off the wall socket. > > Also, is there any way to install NT 4 by floppy disk, > or is a CD-ROM required? And can one get to a command > prompt from one of the 3 installation diskette The short answer is no; however, there is a way to load all the files onto a DOS partitian build boot floppies and start the load from a DOS prompt. I had to do this since there weren't any NT drivers available at that time for my CDROM drive. > > Paul > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 00:30:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA057446638; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:30:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28580; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:30:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28483; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28473; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool068-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool068-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.143]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA25684; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130429.VAA25684@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "eddy@pacbell.net" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 21:27:19 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: NT 4 on ThinkPads Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:27:24 -0700, Eddy Lin wrote: >My experience with NT 4.0 on the 701C is quite good. [NT Server on 701C >w/1.44GB and 40MB RAM] If my system is used 20-30% by me while it's on, the >battery actually lasts a good 4-5 hours. For example, today I have my 701C >started at about 11AM with a fully charged NiMH battery connected to a token >ring network. Even though I used the machine barely today, the battery didn't >die until 4PM. I do have the BIOS shut off the screen and the harddrive when >not in use for 5-10 minutes though. Even at 40MB, NT is slow compared to a >typical Pentium-90 with 32MB of RAM. But it's rock solid and in general robust. > I'd rather have that than a speedy machine. That sounds sorta like my Warp 4 system (this one), but with only 12MB. Hopefully this year I can earn enough $$$ from my summer job to tak myself up to 40 MB. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 02:42:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA074054519; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 02:41:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01736; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 02:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 02:40:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01650; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 02:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01632; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 02:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool016-max8.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool016-max8.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.24.16]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA27823 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130640.XAA27823@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 23:38:23 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: You Logged off again? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes, I logged off again. I had a crash after about 72+ hours of not shutting down on 12MB. Here's the new address for those who still don't have the ThinkPad Assistant: http://pool016-max8.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net And I have some new, non-related ThinkPad stuff, ThinkPad stuff, and PS/2 Assistant. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 04:08:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA082589727; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:08:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08444; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:07:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08289; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08246; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool016-max8.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool016-max8.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.24.16]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA20252; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130807.BAA20252@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Ron Heiby" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "John W. Sterni" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 00:58:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Swapping Control and Caps Lock keys Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:50:24 -0500, Ron Heiby wrote: >At 01:20 PM 8/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >>wondering if anyone knows if you can remap the Fn key onto a full-size > >I'm pretty sure that this key is an "exception" and is tied into the BIOS >in a different way, specifically for machine control. I'd be surprised if >you were able to find software to manipulate it in any way. >-- >Ron. > While in the testing screen after POST (Fn-F1), press CRTL-A, then CRTL-K, and you can test the keyboard. I already knew about this from experimenting with different key combinations, but the guy who fixed my 701 said that the Fn key is supposed to show up, but for some reason it doesn't. Strange, huh? Also, be careful in the BIOS after pressing CRTL-A, because if you click at the middle top of the screen, you could enter the low level HD formatting process. That's what I learned the hard way. Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 08:57:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA114107077; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:57:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24842; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:56:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24704; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogbert.ipa.net (root@dogbert.ipa.net [205.218.170.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24685; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ironhand (pool-211.ftsm.ipa.net [207.2.197.211]) by dogbert.ipa.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA16886; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:56:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:00:40 -0500 Message-Id: <01BCA7BE.FDF75180.rwking@ipa.net> From: "Robert W. King" Reply-To: "rwking@ipa.net" To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:00:39 -0500 Organization: I ain't organized at all! X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Paul (or anybody else who wants to chime in)! I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard drive presuming I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is identifying vendors who sell the things. I would also be looking for some means of making use of the present 540 meg drive. I've flipped through the portable computing and laptop magazines and found them remarkably free of ads for laptop replacement drives. Any suggestions? Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver. SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, AR 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086; InterNet: rwking@ipa.net http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/i/n/Robert-W-King/index.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 09:24:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA117488690; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:24:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26913; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:22:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26614; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from york.interport.net (york.interport.net [199.184.165.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26604; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (usrts1port28.port.net [207.237.104.28]) by york.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA08991; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708131322.JAA08991@york.interport.net> From: "richard" To: Cc: " Subject: Re: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:22:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A great source of pricing on all computer equipment is www.uvision.com. The Toshiba 2.1gb 12.5mm drive seems popular, and is a lot cheaper than the IBM. You can buy a notebook drive to standard IDE drive cable for something in the $10 to $25 range. You can also get a parallel port adaptor which will let you connect the notebook drive to a parallel port. Throughput will be slower, as the parallel port is slower than the IDE bus. There are also notebook drive to PCMCIA adaptors. -----Original Message----- From: Robert W. King To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Date: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 8:57 am Subject: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Hi Paul (or anybody else who wants to chime in)! I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard drive presuming I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is identifying vendors who sell the things. I would also be looking for some means of making use of the present 540 meg drive. I've flipped through the portable computing and laptop magazines and found them remarkably free of ads for laptop replacement drives. Any suggestions? Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver. SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, AR 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086; InterNet: rwking@ipa.net http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/i/n/Robert-W-King/index.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 09:36:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118829388; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:36:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28177; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:35:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28084; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28073; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26683 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:46:40 -0600 Message-Id: <33F1B96C.D6B113F3@wwsi.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:41:00 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad mailing list Subject: PC110? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks for that PC110 Linux page! So, is the PC100 still available? Regardless, where do I get more information about it? -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 09:53:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA121000395; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:53:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29491; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:52:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29393; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29383; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool010-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool010-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.10]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA25390; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 06:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708131352.GAA25390@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Hultquist" , "thinkpad mailing list" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 06:49:38 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PC110? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:41:00 -0600, Steve Hultquist wrote: >Thanks for that PC110 Linux page! So, is the PC100 still available? >Regardless, where do I get more information about it? Um, don't know about the 100, but the 110 is originally from Japan, and is finding it's way into American markets. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 10:04:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA122081096; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:04:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00352; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:03:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00196; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00184; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool010-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool010-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.10]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA28546; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708131403.HAA28546@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "rwking@ipa.net" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 07:00:54 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:00:39 -0500, Robert W. King wrote: >Hi Paul (or anybody else who wants to chime in)! > >I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard drive presuming >I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is identifying vendors who >sell the things. I would also be looking for some means of making use of the >present 540 meg drive. I've flipped through the portable computing and laptop >magazines and found them remarkably free of ads for laptop replacement drives. >Any suggestions? >Robert W. King Actually yes, visit my website at http://pool010-max2.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net and check out the link to Timothy Sipples' web site. And if you get any error messages, his server out in the Chicago area is also run by GoServe (which is where I found out about it). It has some interesting information about the 701, especially when running OS/2 Warp. Also, for everyone else out there, if anyone has any FAQs in HTML I could put on my web site, upload them to me as an email attachment. Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 10:12:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA123401547; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:12:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00930; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:11:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00792; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00781; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool075-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool075-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.150]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA09232 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708131411.HAA09232@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 07:08:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: New address: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu http://pool075-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net For TP701 tips and ThinkPad Assistant downloads. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 10:12:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA123461571; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:12:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01002; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:11:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00864; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00854; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool075-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool075-max3.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.150]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA19259; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708131411.HAA19259@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "richard" , "rwking@ipa.net" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 07:09:17 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:22:20 -0400, richard wrote: > A great source of pricing on all computer equipment is >www.uvision.com. The Toshiba 2.1gb 12.5mm drive seems popular, and is >a lot cheaper than the IBM. > >You can buy a notebook drive to standard IDE drive cable for something >in the $10 to $25 range. You can also get a parallel port adaptor >which will let you connect the notebook drive to a parallel port. >Throughput will be slower, as the parallel port is slower than the IDE >bus. There are also notebook drive to PCMCIA adaptors. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert W. King >To: Paul Khoury >Cc: ThinkPad List >Date: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 8:57 am >Subject: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS > > > >Hi Paul (or anybody else who wants to chime in)! > >I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard drive >presuming >I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is identifying >vendors who >sell the things. I would also be looking for some means of making use >of the >present 540 meg drive. I've flipped through the portable computing and >laptop >magazines and found them remarkably free of ads for laptop replacement >drives. >Any suggestions? > Yeah, be careful about Poop Portable Enhancements, after all the spamming and kiss-ups they've done on this list. Make sure you get a decent warranty, and try to buy from a vendor and/or dealer whom you think will be around for awhile, in case the need for technical support arrives. IBM I'm sure will be around for a while, but they're way too expensive, but still good. I guess I don't really have much else to say, as the things I want to upgrade this summer are my RAM (to 40 megs), and maybe just an extra hard drive for Linux, >=360 megs is fine. My summer job will provide for upgrade costs, though. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 13:45:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA158884319; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:45:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15342; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:40:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14990; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14972; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drd (ppp-35.shadow.net [209.4.38.55]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27835 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708131741.NAA27835@anshar.shadow.net> From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: IBM PalmPC 110 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:33:44 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is there info on the IBM website about the 110? Thank you. Geovanny M. Ortiz ---------- > From: Paul Khoury > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 1:10 PM > > Just for those who are curious, check out > > http://toy.cabi.net > > It's about the IBM PalmPC 110 and Linux on it. It weighs < 700grams. > > Also, my hostname has changed because someone called in > (and I'm not allowed to block call waiting :-< ). > > It's > > http://pool053-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net > > For anyone who doesn't yet know, this is to download the ThinkPad > Assistant from my web server. > > Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 13:45:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA158904319; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:45:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15353; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:43:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15103; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15093; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA31576 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:26:45 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCA7EF.050A6180@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:44:28 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Warp4 on a 701 (was: NT on 750) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:49:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 74 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just wish someone would come out with Lotus Magellan for Win95. It had all I wanted in a file manager: n Zip file access n buncha viewers for files n indexing of all files for exact, boolean or fuzzy searches (3Mb index for 300Mb data) n instant finding of strings in filenames or contents n saveable searches, including by file name or contents n customizable synonym dictionaries, delimitation characters, etc. n multiple sorts & selects n ... and more. But, no current viewers (was frozen in 1989...), no long name support ... Had to leave it behind.... Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com ---------- From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@earthlink.net] Sent: 1997 August 11 - Monday 06:41 To: Geoff Hogan; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Warp4 on a 701 (was: NT on 750) On Mon, 11 Aug 97 13:00:07, Geoff Hogan wrote: >>If he was running Warp4 he must be accustomed to sluggishness. I >>installed it on one of the two hard drives for my 701 (DX4/75, 24mb) and >>find it to be very slow compared to Win95, which runs quite well on the > >I run Warp 4 on my desktop (P133, 40MB, 1GB) where it runs happily, but Warp >Connect on my TP 755cx (P75, 16MB, 540MB (shared with Linux) on which it runs fine, >though noticably slower. And that's the way I intend to leave it - Warp 4 does seem to >need more recources than Warp 3 (I had 16MB on my desktop before I upgraded to >32MB and then 40MB. The performace gain of this last step I found barely noticeable, >I was simply using up a redundant SIMM that a colleague couldn't use, but the first >made a huge difference!). > >>Though I like some things about Warp4, I'm baffled as to why there is no >>feature for file management, like File Manager/Explorer on the Windows >>system. This omission alone makes it almost too tedious to use. I assume >>there are OS/2 file manager programs one can buy. > >Not being that familiar with Windows systems I'm not quite sure how the OS/2 Drives >function differs from the Win95 Explorer. You have drag and drop file moving, copying, >deleting and creating shadows (similar to the Win95 shortcut) as well as access to >object properties, editing text files, running programmes, etc. Mind you, having said >that, and having cut my teeth in the days of DOS on an XT I'm still not entirely >comfortable with the object oriented concept and mainly use File Commander/2, a >shareware equivalent of Norton Commander, for file handling. > >Geoff > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Dr G P Hogan >Laser Group, Clarendon Lab., Tel: +44 1865 272205 >Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3PU Fax: +44 1865 272400 >UK Email: g.hogan@physics.ox.ac.uk >--------------------------------------------------------------- > > I use a program called ZTreeBold, which is a clone of XTreeGold for OS/2. I also prefer a regular command line, as this is what I am accustomed to and another reason that I am so comfortable with Linux and OS/2, though a GUI is still nice for a lot of other tasks. I think that it's also because Windows users are bigtime mouse users, but you don't "always" need a mouse in OS/2, or especially Linux. Just 2? again. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 14:28:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA165886879; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:27:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18585; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:26:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18481; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18466; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool038-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool038-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.188]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28886; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708131826.LAA28886@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "TROTTIER, Tom" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 11:24:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: File viewers ( was: Warp4 on a 701 (was: NT on 750)) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:49:42 -0400, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: >I just wish someone would come out with Lotus Magellan for Win95. It had all I wanted in a file manager: >n Zip file access >n buncha viewers for files >n indexing of all files for exact, boolean or fuzzy searches (3Mb index for 300Mb data) >n instant finding of strings in filenames or contents >n saveable searches, including by file name or contents >n customizable synonym dictionaries, delimitation characters, etc. >n multiple sorts & selects >n ... and more. > >But, no current viewers (was frozen in 1989...), no long name support ... >Had to leave it behind.... > >Ciao, Tom Ztbold allows that, but I don't use any of the viewers though, and can't figgure out how to get it to correctly use PKZIP2 v3.5 (better than 2.04 for DOS!). Also, long file name support is really what I wanted also, because and drive c: (420MB), drive e: (250MB), are both HPFS, drive d: (40MB) is a fat drive left from my days of Linux that has my hibernation, and I got a 5MB PCMCIA Flash drive (drive f:). And also, with over 11,500 files alone on drive c:, and an immense portion of them are very long file names and directories, I've never got an "Out of Memory" error, even when mounting every drive on my server (including the cdrom usuaully), that's about 10-20K files. And without the CD-ROM is about 1.5GB of stuff, soon to be expanded. >From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@earthlink.net] >Sent: 1997 August 11 - Monday 06:41 >To: Geoff Hogan; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: Warp4 on a 701 (was: NT on 750) > >On Mon, 11 Aug 97 13:00:07, Geoff Hogan wrote: > >>>If he was running Warp4 he must be accustomed to sluggishness. I >>>installed it on one of the two hard drives for my 701 (DX4/75, 24mb) and >>>find it to be very slow compared to Win95, which runs quite well on the >> >>I run Warp 4 on my desktop (P133, 40MB, 1GB) where it runs happily, but Warp >>Connect on my TP 755cx (P75, 16MB, 540MB (shared with Linux) on which it runs fine, >>though noticably slower. And that's the way I intend to leave it - Warp 4 does seem to >>need more recources than Warp 3 (I had 16MB on my desktop before I upgraded to >>32MB and then 40MB. The performace gain of this last step I found barely noticeable, >>I was simply using up a redundant SIMM that a colleague couldn't use, but the first >>made a huge difference!). >> >>>Though I like some things about Warp4, I'm baffled as to why there is no >>>feature for file management, like File Manager/Explorer on the Windows >>>system. This omission alone makes it almost too tedious to use. I assume >>>there are OS/2 file manager programs one can buy. >> >>Not being that familiar with Windows systems I'm not quite sure how the OS/2 Drives >>function differs from the Win95 Explorer. You have drag and drop file moving, copying, >>deleting and creating shadows (similar to the Win95 shortcut) as well as access to >>object properties, editing text files, running programmes, etc. Mind you, having said >>that, and having cut my teeth in the days of DOS on an XT I'm still not entirely >>comfortable with the object oriented concept and mainly use File Commander/2, a >>shareware equivalent of Norton Commander, for file handling. >> >>Geoff >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------- >>Dr G P Hogan >>Laser Group, Clarendon Lab., Tel: +44 1865 272205 >>Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3PU Fax: +44 1865 272400 >>UK Email: g.hogan@physics.ox.ac.uk >>--------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >I use a program called ZTreeBold, which is a clone of XTreeGold >for OS/2. I also prefer a regular command line, as this is what I am >accustomed to and another reason that I am so comfortable with >Linux and OS/2, though a GUI is still nice for a lot of other tasks. > >I think that it's also because Windows users are bigtime mouse users, >but you don't "always" need a mouse in OS/2, or especially Linux. > >Just 2? again. > >Paul > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 14:29:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA166196970; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:29:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18804; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:28:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18650; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18640; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool038-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool038-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.188]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06696; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708131828.LAA06696@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 11:25:32 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM PalmPC 110 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:33:44 -0400, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: >Is there info on the IBM website about the 110? > >Thank you. > >Geovanny M. Ortiz > I doubt it, but try logging on to IBM's web site, telling them you are from Japan, as the 110 is normally only available in Japan. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 14:51:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA169768267; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:51:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20188; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:49:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19945; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us (glyph.cnri.reston.va.us [132.151.1.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19935; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from klm@localhost) by glyph.cnri.reston.va.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08196; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708131849.OAA08196@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us> From: Ken Manheimer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "ThinkPad List" , "rwking@ipa.net" Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 13 Aug 1997 In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under 19.15p4 XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: klm@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailer: VM 6.32 / 19.15p4 XEmacs Lucid Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > On August 13, Robert W. King wrote: > > >Hi Paul (or anybody else who wants to chime in)! > > > >I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard drive > >presuming > >I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is identifying > >vendors who > > Yeah, be careful about Poop Portable Enhancements, after > all the spamming and kiss-ups they've done on this list. I find this to be offensive. I happen to thing that portable enhancements have been getting a bum rap by a vocal minority (actually, on the basis of his amount of posting, on his own paul would seem to constitute a vocal majority:-), but had been quiet about it. However, i think the kind of thing you're spouting now is unnecessary, gratuitous, and in fact injurious to some people's livelihoods, and that's not fair. I should say that i have *no* connection with the company, other than being a satisfied customer. I got a 2.1 gig drive from them (which i reported on the list, at the time) for a decent price and with very decent results. I felt well informed by them - in particular, i found them to be quite candid about the impact of getting a CPU upgrade when i enquired of it in person. (They cautioned that i might not see a big performance increase in the 701, for the reasons that have been bandied about on the list, and i did not do so.) I feel that their postings are in general *not* out of bounds, and would have no hesitation about recommending them. Regardless, i consider the remarks to be excessively snide and uncalled for, and don't like to see that on the list. Please stop (and maybe consider slowing down your posting rate, so you have to do fewer posts and reposts to get some information out)! Ken Manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 14:55:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA170968523; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:55:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20478; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:54:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20373; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20363; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool050-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool050-max6.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.50]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09455; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708131853.LAA09455@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "klm@cnri.reston.va.us" Cc: "rwking@ipa.net" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 11:51:18 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 13 Aug 1997 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:49:08 -0400 (EDT), Ken Manheimer wrote: >> On August 13, Robert W. King wrote: >> >> >Hi Paul (or anybody else who wants to chime in)! >> > >> >I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard drive >> >presuming >> >I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is identifying >> >vendors who >> >> Yeah, be careful about Poop Portable Enhancements, after >> all the spamming and kiss-ups they've done on this list. > >I find this to be offensive. I happen to thing that portable >enhancements have been getting a bum rap by a vocal minority >(actually, on the basis of his amount of posting, on his own paul >would seem to constitute a vocal majority:-), but had been quiet about >it. However, i think the kind of thing you're spouting now is >unnecessary, gratuitous, and in fact injurious to some people's >livelihoods, and that's not fair. > >I should say that i have *no* connection with the company, other than >being a satisfied customer. I got a 2.1 gig drive from them (which i >reported on the list, at the time) for a decent price and with very >decent results. I felt well informed by them - in particular, i found >them to be quite candid about the impact of getting a CPU upgrade when >i enquired of it in person. (They cautioned that i might not see a >big performance increase in the 701, for the reasons that have been >bandied about on the list, and i did not do so.) I feel that their >postings are in general *not* out of bounds, and would have no >hesitation about recommending them. > >Regardless, i consider the remarks to be excessively snide and >uncalled for, and don't like to see that on the list. Please stop >(and maybe consider slowing down your posting rate, so you have to do >fewer posts and reposts to get some information out)! > >Ken Manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us > I'm sorry to everyone for getting carried away about the Portable Enhancements, but it was getting to my head that my mailebox was full of their online catalogs, maybe Cc:ed to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu. Again, I hope that everyone else can except my apoligies for this, and I don't mean to post so much to the list, but I like to answer each message most of the time (since I now have the time), and I enjoy teaching others as well. Thank you for your time. Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@earthlink.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 15:05:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA172709152; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:05:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21027; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:04:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20934; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tpa-exchange.healthplan.com ([159.113.2.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20920; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tpa-exchange.healthplan.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCA7FA.6CE3EAF0@tpa-exchange.healthplan.com>; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:06:07 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Garrison, Galen" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: thinkpad digest for Wed, 13 Aug 1997 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:06:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It seems that they have earned the "bum rap" they are getting by using an informative news group for commercial purposes - a purpose for which the list is not designed. Furthermore, I have read requests from several people for details substantiating their performance figures, but they have been silent . . . except to plug a product. :-( Lastly, if you needed help with a problem and Paul was the only one with the knowledge of the fix, you would be begging for him to post the answer. Does anyone complain that a professor monopolizes the discussion in a class??? The idea here is to listen to those who have the knowledge you need. If Paul knows the answers, then let him post. If you don't care for the quantity of his posts, then you learn more than he knows so that you can take his place in helping others fix problems. In the meanwhile, stop whining. Keep it up Paul. Hoo-rah! Galen Garrison >---------- >From: Ken Manheimer[SMTP:klm@cnri.reston.va.us] >Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 2:49 PM >To: Paul Khoury >Cc: ThinkPad List; rwking@ipa.net >Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 13 Aug 1997 > >> On August 13, Robert W. King wrote: >> >> >Hi Paul (or anybody else who wants to chime in)! >> > >> >I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard drive >> >presuming >> >I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is identifying >> >vendors who >> >> Yeah, be careful about Poop Portable Enhancements, after >> all the spamming and kiss-ups they've done on this list. > >I find this to be offensive. I happen to thing that portable >enhancements have been getting a bum rap by a vocal minority >(actually, on the basis of his amount of posting, on his own paul >would seem to constitute a vocal majority:-), but had been quiet about >it. However, i think the kind of thing you're spouting now is >unnecessary, gratuitous, and in fact injurious to some people's >livelihoods, and that's not fair. > >I should say that i have *no* connection with the company, other than >being a satisfied customer. I got a 2.1 gig drive from them (which i >reported on the list, at the time) for a decent price and with very >decent results. I felt well informed by them - in particular, i found >them to be quite candid about the impact of getting a CPU upgrade when >i enquired of it in person. (They cautioned that i might not see a >big performance increase in the 701, for the reasons that have been >bandied about on the list, and i did not do so.) I feel that their >postings are in general *not* out of bounds, and would have no >hesitation about recommending them. > >Regardless, i consider the remarks to be excessively snide and >uncalled for, and don't like to see that on the list. Please stop >(and maybe consider slowing down your posting rate, so you have to do >fewer posts and reposts to get some information out)! > >Ken Manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 15:07:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA173079270; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:07:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21252; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:06:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21145; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.worldnow.com (smtp1green.worldnow.com [208.154.130.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21094; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.154.130.11] by smtp1.worldnow.com (SMTPD32-4.0) id A6D8EAE80142; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:11:20 -0600 Received: from [205.218.33.40] by mail.sisna.com (SMTPD32-3.04) id A5AF543F009A; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:06:23 -0600 Message-Id: <33F20632.3CB44D33@propilot.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:08:35 -0600 From: Don Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: "klm@cnri.reston.va.us" , "rwking@ipa.net" , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 13 Aug 1997 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708131853.LAA09455@norway.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:49:08 -0400 (EDT), Ken Manheimer wrote: > > >> On August 13, Robert W. King wrote: > >> > >> >Hi Paul (or anybody else who wants to chime in)! > >> > > >> >I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard > drive > >> >presuming > >> >I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is > identifying > >> >vendors who > >> > >> Yeah, be careful about Poop Portable Enhancements, after > >> all the spamming and kiss-ups they've done on this list. > > > >I find this to be offensive. I happen to thing that portable > >enhancements have been getting a bum rap by a vocal minority > >(actually, on the basis of his amount of posting, on his own paul > >would seem to constitute a vocal majority:-), but had been quiet > about > >it. However, i think the kind of thing you're spouting now is > >unnecessary, gratuitous, and in fact injurious to some people's > >livelihoods, and that's not fair. > > > >I should say that i have *no* connection with the company, other than > > >being a satisfied customer. I got a 2.1 gig drive from them (which i > > >reported on the list, at the time) for a decent price and with very > >decent results. I felt well informed by them - in particular, i > found > >them to be quite candid about the impact of getting a CPU upgrade > when > >i enquired of it in person. (They cautioned that i might not see a > >big performance increase in the 701, for the reasons that have been > >bandied about on the list, and i did not do so.) I feel that their > >postings are in general *not* out of bounds, and would have no > >hesitation about recommending them. > > > >Regardless, i consider the remarks to be excessively snide and > >uncalled for, and don't like to see that on the list. Please stop > >(and maybe consider slowing down your posting rate, so you have to do > > >fewer posts and reposts to get some information out)! > > > >Ken Manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us > > > I'm sorry to everyone for getting carried away about the > Portable Enhancements, but it was getting to my head > that my mailebox was full of their online catalogs, maybe > Cc:ed to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu. Again, I hope that everyone > else can except my apoligies for this, and I don't mean to post > so much to the list, but I like to answer each message most of the > time > (since I now have the time), and I enjoy teaching others as well. > Thank you for your time. > > Regards, > > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@earthlink.net PaulWith your apparent disdain for portable enhancements I'm surprised you didn't respond to my earlier query about them. Do you have any quantifiable information about them? Don From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 15:52:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA182511965; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:52:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23646; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:50:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23465; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23455; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool070-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool070-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.145]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19298 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708131950.MAA19298@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 12:48:18 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: I put some more updates Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu pool070-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Also, does anyone have the latest drivers for whatever for Windows 95/NT, OS/2, Linux, etc. relating to ThinkPads, that I could put up? If so, send me an email attachment. Thanks. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 15:55:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA183582141; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:55:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23883; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:54:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23747; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23736; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool070-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool070-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.145]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18357; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708131954.MAA18357@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Don Rich" Cc: "klm@cnri.reston.va.us" , "rwking@ipa.net" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 12:51:47 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 13 Aug 1997 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:08:35 -0600, Don Rich wrote: >Paul Khoury wrote: > >> On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:49:08 -0400 (EDT), Ken Manheimer wrote: >> >> >> On August 13, Robert W. King wrote: >> >> >> >> >Hi Paul (or anybody else who wants to chime in)! >> >> > >> >> >I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard >> drive >> >> >presuming >> >> >I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is >> identifying >> >> >vendors who >> >> >> >> Yeah, be careful about Poop Portable Enhancements, after >> >> all the spamming and kiss-ups they've done on this list. >> > >> >I find this to be offensive. I happen to thing that portable >> >enhancements have been getting a bum rap by a vocal minority >> >(actually, on the basis of his amount of posting, on his own paul >> >would seem to constitute a vocal majority:-), but had been quiet >> about >> >it. However, i think the kind of thing you're spouting now is >> >unnecessary, gratuitous, and in fact injurious to some people's >> >livelihoods, and that's not fair. >> > >> >I should say that i have *no* connection with the company, other than >> >> >being a satisfied customer. I got a 2.1 gig drive from them (which i >> >> >reported on the list, at the time) for a decent price and with very >> >decent results. I felt well informed by them - in particular, i >> found >> >them to be quite candid about the impact of getting a CPU upgrade >> when >> >i enquired of it in person. (They cautioned that i might not see a >> >big performance increase in the 701, for the reasons that have been >> >bandied about on the list, and i did not do so.) I feel that their >> >postings are in general *not* out of bounds, and would have no >> >hesitation about recommending them. >> > >> >Regardless, i consider the remarks to be excessively snide and >> >uncalled for, and don't like to see that on the list. Please stop >> >(and maybe consider slowing down your posting rate, so you have to do >> >> >fewer posts and reposts to get some information out)! >> > >> >Ken Manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us >> > >> I'm sorry to everyone for getting carried away about the >> Portable Enhancements, but it was getting to my head >> that my mailebox was full of their online catalogs, maybe >> Cc:ed to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu. Again, I hope that everyone >> else can except my apoligies for this, and I don't mean to post >> so much to the list, but I like to answer each message most of the >> time >> (since I now have the time), and I enjoy teaching others as well. >> Thank you for your time. >> >> Regards, >> >> Paul Khoury >> pkhoury@earthlink.net > >PaulWith your apparent disdain for portable enhancements I'm surprised >you didn't respond to my earlier >query about them. Do you have any quantifiable information about them? >Don > According to a friend, you can find them easily on the list, and though their stuff is pretty good, their prices are huge. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 16:05:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184722734; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:05:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25399; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:04:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25313; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us (glyph.cnri.reston.va.us [132.151.1.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25303; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (klm@localhost) by glyph.cnri.reston.va.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08604; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:05:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: glyph.cnri.reston.va.us: klm owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:05:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@python.org To: Paul Khoury Cc: Don Rich , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 13 Aug 1997 In-Reply-To: <199708131954.MAA18357@iceland.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:08:35 -0600, Don Rich wrote: > >> [lots of irrelevant stuff] > > > >PaulWith your apparent disdain for portable enhancements I'm surprised > >you didn't respond to my earlier > >query about them. Do you have any quantifiable information about them? > >Don > > > According to a friend, you can find them easily on the list, and though their > stuff is pretty good, their prices are huge. http://www.portables.com I think the 2.1 GB disk i got was fairly competatively priced at the time, and the effort to put it in was zero - didn't even have to mount it in a caddy, or anything. I popped out the old one and put in the new. I haven't been looking at laptop component prices in a long time, so i couldn't say one way or another - paul, "huge" prices compared to whose?? Ken Manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us 703 620-8990 x268 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 17:38:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201138305; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:38:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01804; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:37:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01702; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.black-hole.com (mail.black-hole.com [206.145.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01692; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maroon.edu ([206.145.13.63]) by mail.black-hole.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA114 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:37:20 -0500 Message-Id: <33F22A7E.10E0@kmktech.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:43:27 -0500 From: chris.michalek@kmktech.com (Chris Michalek) Reply-To: Chris.Michalek@kmktech.com Organization: KMK Technology Services, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: 701 and epson 800 printer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone else had success printing from a 701 using an epson stylus 800? It's an awesome printer but is horribly slow when using the 701C. The printer is fine and works well with my desktop PC, Macs and 760 but the 701 is slow. All machines have exactly the same software. This problem has been chewing at my for a feew weeks. The Epson techs couldn't figure it out either. Thanks - Chris Michalek, Information Architect From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 17:48:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA203238925; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:48:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02319; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:47:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02228; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02217; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03578; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:48:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Chris Michalek Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 and epson 800 printer In-Reply-To: <33F22A7E.10E0@kmktech.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Chris Michalek wrote: > Has anyone else had success printing from a 701 using an epson stylus > 800? It's an awesome printer but is horribly slow when using the 701C. > The printer is fine and works well with my desktop PC, Macs and 760 but > the 701 is slow. All machines have exactly the same software. This > problem has been chewing at my for a feew weeks. The Epson techs > couldn't figure it out either. How much RAM does it have? What OS? The lack of L2 cache will probably also affect it also. How slow is slow? Does your 701c have the DX2-50 or DX4-75? ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 17:56:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204999359; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:55:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02644; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:54:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02535; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.black-hole.com (mail.black-hole.com [206.145.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02523; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maroon.edu ([206.145.13.21]) by mail.black-hole.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA83; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:54:00 -0500 Message-Id: <33F22E65.49DE@kmktech.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:00:06 -0500 From: chris.michalek@kmktech.com (Chris Michalek) Reply-To: Chris.Michalek@kmktech.com Organization: KMK Technology Services, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Parker Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 and epson 800 printer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Steve Parker wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Chris Michalek wrote: > > > Has anyone else had success printing from a 701 using an epson stylus > > 800? It's an awesome printer but is horribly slow when using the 701C. > > The printer is fine and works well with my desktop PC, Macs and 760 but > > the 701 is slow. All machines have exactly the same software. This > > problem has been chewing at my for a feew weeks. The Epson techs > > couldn't figure it out either. > > How much RAM does it have? What OS? The lack of L2 cache will probably > also affect it also. How slow is slow? Does your 701c have the DX2-50 or > DX4-75? Stupid me.... Win95 24MB Ram DX4-75 720HD (132MB free)by slow I mean 2-3 min to print one B/W page using black ink color is even slower. - Chris Michalek, Information Architect From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 18:11:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA206990268; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:11:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03514; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:09:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03356; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03322; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool055-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool055-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.205]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13698; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708132209.PAA13698@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Chris Michalek" , "Steve Parker" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 15:07:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 and epson 800 printer Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Chris Michalek wrote: > >> Has anyone else had success printing from a 701 using an epson stylus >> 800? It's an awesome printer but is horribly slow when using the 701C. >> The printer is fine and works well with my desktop PC, Macs and 760 but >> the 701 is slow. All machines have exactly the same software. This >> problem has been chewing at my for a feew weeks. The Epson techs >> couldn't figure it out either. > > How much RAM does it have? What OS? The lack of L2 cache will probably >also affect it also. How slow is slow? Does your 701c have the DX2-50 or >DX4-75? > > >============================================================================ >==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== >============================================================================ > > > What type of printer port protocol do you use, SPP or regular, ECP, or the EPP? The reason I ask is that some of the newer printers need to talk back to the CPU, and thus need a good bi-directional protocol like EPP. Make sure you also have a decent, bi-directional printer cable. While we're on the subject, does anyone here use the Pentax PocketJet with their ThinkPad (besides myself)? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 18:21:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA208300882; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:21:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04425; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:20:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04283; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais2.cais.com (cais2.cais.com [199.0.216.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04259; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais2.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22019; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Paul Khoury Cc: Chris Michalek , Steve Parker , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 and epson 800 printer In-Reply-To: <199708132209.PAA13698@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > of the newer printers need to talk back to the CPU, and thus > need a good bi-directional protocol like EPP. Make sure you > also have a decent, bi-directional printer cable. > why wouldn't any cable be a bi-directional? and, but just picking up a cable whow would one be able to determine its directional capabilities? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 18:57:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213253053; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:57:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06216; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:56:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06067; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06028; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool055-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool055-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.205]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA07777; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708132255.PAA07777@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Ken Manheimer" , "klm@python.org" Cc: "Don Rich" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 15:53:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 13 Aug 1997 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:05:03 -0400 (EDT), Ken Manheimer wrote: >On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:08:35 -0600, Don Rich wrote: >> >> [lots of irrelevant stuff] >> > >> >PaulWith your apparent disdain for portable enhancements I'm surprised >> >you didn't respond to my earlier >> >query about them. Do you have any quantifiable information about them? >> >Don >> > >> According to a friend, you can find them easily on the list, and though their >> stuff is pretty good, their prices are huge. > >http://www.portables.com > >I think the 2.1 GB disk i got was fairly competatively priced at the >time, and the effort to put it in was zero - didn't even have to mount >it in a caddy, or anything. I popped out the old one and put in the >new. I haven't been looking at laptop component prices in a long time, >so i couldn't say one way or another - paul, "huge" prices compared to >whose?? > >Ken Manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us 703 620-8990 x268 > > > > If you don't mind my asking, how much for it all? BTW, I guess I'm just too technical, because I like to put in lots of work in certain things because it's fun. In fact, I'm about to test some "NEW" XT mainboards for the other list I'm on (new, as in original box, docs, etc.). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 18:58:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213353118; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:58:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06201; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:56:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06038; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06018; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA19671; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:55:41 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199708132255.BAA19671@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 01:55:18 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BCA7BE.FDF75180.rwking@ipa.net> Cc: "Robert W. King" Subject: Re: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.30a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 at 08:00 AM you, "Robert W. King" , said: >I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard drive >presuming I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is >identifying vendors who sell the things. I would also be looking for >some means of making use of the present 540 meg drive. I've flipped >through the portable computing and laptop magazines and found them >remarkably free of ads for laptop replacement drives. Any suggestions? There seems to be huge difference in prices. Among the "specialists", Roadwarrior is asking $855 for a 2.1GB drive that suits the TP701 (warrior.com/arihd/ibm.html) and PEP is asking $524 for a 2.1GB Toshiba drive. My understanding is that the above prices include a caddy. I made inquiries with local resellers here in Finland and I was surprised to see I could get much lower prices for the naked drives (without a caddy). The Toshiba 2.1GB was FIM 2100 ($380 at current exchange rates) and the IBM 2.1GB FIM 2300 ($420). The Finnish prices include VAT (our sales tax) 22%, which means comparable prices are even lower ($310 and $340 respectively). Given that the US market is usually more competitive than the European ones, I'd expect you should find a 2.1GB Slimline drive for around $300 in the US. I chose the IBM drive because I could get it the following day (and it wasn't that much more expensive than the Toshiba). In all truth, this is probably not a "real" IBM drive, because the label on it says "Made for IBM in Thailand". Anyway, the IBM drive is very well documented (http://www.storage.ibm.com.:80/storage/oem/data/trav4lp.htm) and it is used in a popular current model (the TP560). I had chosen to use the existing caddy (which hosted a 360MB drive) and this was the most difficult part in the process: first of all I had to find a Torx T6 screwdriver, which wasn't that easy; then I noticed the holes on the side of the new drive were located differently compared to the old drive. So I had to use a precision drill set to make 4 new holes in the caddy; this was somewhat tricky for a non-technical person like me, because the heads of the screws were V-shaped and had to be below the surface of the caddy (which otherwise couldn't be inserted in the TP). Based on the advice of a fellow list member, I teared the plastic film off the old drive and wrapped the new drive in it: besides protecting it, it also made the drive very quiet (and quiet it is indeed!). Once I put the drive with caddy back in place, everything went smoothly, although the BIOS reports a wrong size for it. I have now Warp 3 Connect installed in one half and I'm currently installing Linux RedHat in the other half. Based on a few days' experience, I can recommend the IBM drive but I'm sure the Toshiba would work as well. I think the price charged by the specialists for a drive with caddy is much too high for what a caddy really is. Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 19:03:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213843437; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:03:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00366; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:16:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29933; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais2.cais.com (cais2.cais.com [199.0.216.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29921; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais2.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20406 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:16:48 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: PCMCIA Modems Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have been trying to find a 56k modem that will work with my 701 hyperterminal/NT4.0 setup that will run reliablly. So far I've tired the Hayes Accura 56k, and, currently the Simple Technology 56k Communicator. Both have been sporatic staying connected and when they do say connected the're sluggish; for they will download in fast bursts and then just sit ultimately the line drops. Has anyone had success with a setup similar to mine; what modem have you used and did you have to do anything special to get it to run well. BTW I'm posting this using the internal 14.4 modem that while slow, has always been very reliable; case in point I d/l'ed NT 4.0 service pack 3, all 40 MB using the internal modem. It burped on the first try after 10 MB but afer a restart it was fine, albiet slow - about 8 hrs. Thanks for any help! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 19:17:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215664261; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:17:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07042; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:16:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06866; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06856; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool055-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool055-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.205]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA21828; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708132316.QAA21828@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Robert W. King" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 16:13:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 Aug 97 01:55:18 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 at 08:00 AM you, "Robert W. King" , >said: > >>I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard drive >>presuming I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is >>identifying vendors who sell the things. I would also be looking for >>some means of making use of the present 540 meg drive. I've flipped >>through the portable computing and laptop magazines and found them >>remarkably free of ads for laptop replacement drives. Any suggestions? > >There seems to be huge difference in prices. Among the "specialists", >Roadwarrior is asking $855 for a 2.1GB drive that suits the TP701 >(warrior.com/arihd/ibm.html) and PEP is asking $524 for a 2.1GB Toshiba >drive. My understanding is that the above prices include a caddy. > >I made inquiries with local resellers here in Finland and I was surprised >to see I could get much lower prices for the naked drives (without a >caddy). The Toshiba 2.1GB was FIM 2100 ($380 at current exchange rates) >and the IBM 2.1GB FIM 2300 ($420). The Finnish prices include VAT (our >sales tax) 22%, which means comparable prices are even lower ($310 and >$340 respectively). Given that the US market is usually more competitive >than the European ones, I'd expect you should find a 2.1GB Slimline drive >for around $300 in the US. > >I chose the IBM drive because I could get it the following day (and it >wasn't that much more expensive than the Toshiba). In all truth, this is >probably not a "real" IBM drive, because the label on it says "Made for >IBM in Thailand". Anyway, the IBM drive is very well documented >(http://www.storage.ibm.com.:80/storage/oem/data/trav4lp.htm) and it is >used in a popular current model (the TP560). > >I had chosen to use the existing caddy (which hosted a 360MB drive) and >this was the most difficult part in the process: first of all I had to >find a Torx T6 screwdriver, which wasn't that easy; then I noticed the >holes on the side of the new drive were located differently compared to >the old drive. So I had to use a precision drill set to make 4 new holes >in the caddy; this was somewhat tricky for a non-technical person like me, >because the heads of the screws were V-shaped and had to be below the >surface of the caddy (which otherwise couldn't be inserted in the TP). >Based on the advice of a fellow list member, I teared the plastic film off >the old drive and wrapped the new drive in it: besides protecting it, it >also made the drive very quiet (and quiet it is indeed!). > >Once I put the drive with caddy back in place, everything went smoothly, >although the BIOS reports a wrong size for it. I have now Warp 3 Connect >installed in one half and I'm currently installing Linux RedHat in the >other half. > >Based on a few days' experience, I can recommend the IBM drive but I'm >sure the Toshiba would work as well. I think the price charged by the >specialists for a drive with caddy is much too high for what a caddy >really is. > >Dominique >-- >----------------------------------------------------------- >Dominique Pivard >Helsinki, Finland >----------------------------------------------------------- > > I heard rumors that ALL IBM notebook drives are made by Toshiba, but I think that if that's true, it's just the ones that say "Made for", rather than "Made by", because it would be misleading. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 19:17:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215704262; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:17:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07049; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:16:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06950; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06918; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool055-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool055-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.205]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA25284; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708132316.QAA25284@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "rj" Cc: "Chris Michalek" , "Steve Parker" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 16:07:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 and epson 800 printer Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:19:52 -0400 (EDT), rj wrote: > > >On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> of the newer printers need to talk back to the CPU, and thus >> need a good bi-directional protocol like EPP. Make sure you >> also have a decent, bi-directional printer cable. >> > >why wouldn't any cable be a bi-directional? No. >and, but just picking >up a cable whow would one be able to determine its directional >capabilities? > It should say something on the box, unless it's one of the imports which never has a box. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 19:25:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217294755; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:25:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07499; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:24:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07315; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07297; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (ip102.islip3.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.249.102]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28676; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33F23006.8A5FBF31@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:07:02 -0400 From: "Richard M. Poniarski" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: rj Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: PCMCIA Modems X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu rj wrote: > > I have been trying to find a 56k modem that will work with my 701 > hyperterminal/NT4.0 setup that will run reliablly. So far I've tired > the Hayes Accura 56k, and, currently the Simple Technology 56k > Communicator. Both have been sporatic staying connected and when they > do say connected the're sluggish; for they will download in fast > bursts > and then just sit ultimately the line drops. Has anyone had success > with > a setup similar to mine; what modem have you used and did you have to > do > anything special to get it to run well. > > BTW I'm posting this using the internal 14.4 modem that while slow, > has > always been very reliable; case in point I d/l'ed NT 4.0 service pack > 3, > all 40 MB using the internal modem. It burped on the first try after > 10 MB > but afer a restart it was fine, albiet slow - about 8 hrs. > > Thanks for any help! I tried the Practical Peripherals 56K on my 365XD and couldn't even get it installed properly, even after 1/2 hour on the phone with their tech support people. Just got a Hayes Accura 56K one and haven't had a problem with it. I easily get 33600 speeds, and often a bit more. Sometimes there seems to be a period where it isn't processing any data, but I think that has to do more with my ISP than anything else. -- Richard M. Poniarski rponiarski@earthlink.net '95 BMW 318ti Sport The 318ti Site: http://home.earthlink.net/~rponiarski/ "If you have to ask..." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 19:25:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217344758; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:25:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07505; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:24:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07335; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07308; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA17975 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:24:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970813182411.0069a670@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:24:11 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS In-Reply-To: <199708132255.BAA19671@hauki.clinet.fi> References: <01BCA7BE.FDF75180.rwking@ipa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:55 AM 8/14/97 +0300, you wrote: >I had chosen to use the existing caddy (which hosted a 360MB drive) and >this was the most difficult part in the process > ... >I think the price charged by the >specialists for a drive with caddy is much too high for what a caddy >really is. Of course, the price isn't just for the caddy, but for the convenience of saving you from having to find the right tools (Torx driver, precision drill, etc.), the time spent in using those tools, and the possibility that you'd screw something up and ruin everything. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 19:36:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA218545390; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:36:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08069; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:35:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07965; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07948; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA23810; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 02:35:31 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199708132335.CAA23810@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 02:35:07 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970813182411.0069a670@popmail.mcs.net> Cc: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.30a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 at 06:24 PM you, Ron Heiby , said: >Of course, the price isn't just for the caddy, but for the convenience of >saving you from having to find the right tools (Torx driver, precision >drill, etc.), the time spent in using those tools, and the possibility >that you'd screw something up and ruin everything. You're right: had I priced my spare time at $50 an hour, it would have been cheaper to buy the drive with caddy from PEP Sales :-). OTOH it was a fun and rewarding experience for me. Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 13 23:17:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA258848672; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:17:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15399; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:11:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14958; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14912; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool066-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool066-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.216]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA20551; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708140310.UAA20551@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Alvin Tan Hong Seong" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 20:08:02 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 and epson 800 printer Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:00:16 +0700, Alvin Tan Hong Seong wrote: >Speaking of printers, any recommendations for a small, robust portable >printer with good print quality, color would be nice and battery >operation (not a must, but a bonus). > >I was look at the HP deskjet 340 or 400. Any other brands models? > >Thanks! >Alvin Tan > Yeah, the Pentax PocketJet. Some disadvantages, but Laser Quality, HP LaserJet 2p compatible, works in any OS from OS/2 to Linux to Win95. BTW, it's 10" long and the size of a pencil box. No kidding. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 03:49:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA289964989; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 03:49:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24657; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 03:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 03:48:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24483; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 03:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24385; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 03:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA12328; Wed, 13 Aug 97 21:47:02 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA07313; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:47:13 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199708140747.VAA07313@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 701 and epson 800 printer To: Chris.Michalek@kmktech.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 21:47:13 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <33F22E65.49DE@kmktech.com>; from "Chris Michalek" at Aug 13, 97 5:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Chris M. wrote: > Stupid me.... > Win95 24MB Ram DX4-75 720HD (132MB free)by slow I mean 2-3 min to print > one B/W page using black ink color is even slower. Should print plenty fast with this setup. I don't believe bidirectionality would be a problem with this printer. However, you *might* check the virtual memory settings in the guts of the printer driver; it might be processing the image in chunks that are too small (I had this problem with printing on a Lexmark laser with a comparably configured 701). Slow color is unavoidable on these machines (we have an Epson 600 at work *just* for doing color slides; dismally slow but awesome results on the transparencies and glossy paper). - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 09:40:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA026806001; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:40:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17517; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:37:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17324; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17227; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drd (ppp-25.shadow.net [209.4.38.45]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13431 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708141337.JAA13431@anshar.shadow.net> From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: BTW Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:08:54 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Please excuse my ignorance, but I've seen these three letters, BTW, very often and I don't know what they mean. Please enlighten me. Thank you, Geovanny M. Ortiz From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 09:53:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028366826; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:53:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18469; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:52:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18375; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18364; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23618 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:52:43 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCA898.04CFBDB0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:54:12 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: Thinkpad mailing list , "Geovanny M. Ortiz" Subject: RE: BTW Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:48:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 21 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu IMHO, they mean By The Way Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com ---------- From: Geovanny M. Ortiz[SMTP:o-n-a@shadow.net] Sent: 1997 August 14 - Thursday 09:09 To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: BTW Please excuse my ignorance, but I've seen these three letters, BTW, very often and I don't know what they mean. Please enlighten me. Thank you, Geovanny M. Ortiz From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 10:14:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA031108089; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:14:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19925; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:13:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19746; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkigw1.fin.kemira.com ([137.33.1.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19691; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708141412.KAA19691@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from hkipivdo.fin.kemira.com by hkigw1.fin.kemira.com with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA20815; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:09:57 +0200 From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 17:05:18 +0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Notes command file for TP701 internal modem X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.30a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, Has anyone been able to get the TP701 internal modem to work under Lotus Notes? If you have a suitable *.MDM file, please let me know! There is a TP701-specific MDM file for cc:Mail (tp70114.mdm, from www2.support.lotus.com/ftp/pub/comm/ccmail/modems/mdm.zip), but it doesn't work with my modem version. Lotus says ROM BIOS must be A6.09 or later in order to support the file, otherwise lost data connections will be experienced (my modem is A6.08 and Windows did locked solid when I try to call). The generic 14.4K file (gen144.mdm) works OK with cc:Mail, but not with Notes. On a related subject, can the internal modem's ROM BIOS be software upgraded? Thanks, -- Dominique ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 10:18:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA031418303; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:18:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20157; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:17:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20083; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20072; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12950 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:17:50 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCA89B.83E08D20@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:19:14 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: Chris Michalek , Steve Parker Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: 701 and epson 800 printer Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:14:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 40 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You might also look in the 701 setup for the parallel ports: 1. ECP is faster than EPP which is faster than a plain parallel port. 2. Your OS & program should all be pointing to the right port 3. Also look for any IRQ conflicts Which OS? Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com ---------- From: Steve Parker[SMTP:sparker@torgo.punk.net] Sent: 1997 August 13 - Wednesday 17:49 To: Chris Michalek Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 and epson 800 printer On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Chris Michalek wrote: > Has anyone else had success printing from a 701 using an epson stylus > 800? It's an awesome printer but is horribly slow when using the 701C. > The printer is fine and works well with my desktop PC, Macs and 760 but > the 701 is slow. All machines have exactly the same software. This > problem has been chewing at my for a feew weeks. The Epson techs > couldn't figure it out either. How much RAM does it have? What OS? The lack of L2 cache will probably also affect it also. How slow is slow? Does your 701c have the DX2-50 or DX4-75? ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 10:28:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA032758909; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:28:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20782; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:27:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20695; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20684; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25394 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:11:31 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCA89C.EBE61420@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:29:18 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:22:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 31 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am thinking of upgrading too.. some questions: 1. Does the plastic wrap resemble Saran wrap? Would several layers of Saran wrap work as well? 2. Would the plastic wrap cause any overheating or reduced component life? TIA, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com ---------- From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@earthlink.net] Sent: 1997 August 13 - Wednesday 12:14 To: Dominique Pivard; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: Robert W. King Subject: Re: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS On Thu, 14 Aug 97 01:55:18 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 at 08:00 AM you, "Robert W. King" , >said: > >>I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard drive >>presuming I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is ,,, >Based on the advice of a fellow list member, I teared the plastic film off >the old drive and wrapped the new drive in it: besides protecting it, it >also made the drive very quiet (and quiet it is indeed!). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 10:40:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA034329638; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:40:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21410; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:38:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21262; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21252; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drd (ppp-84.shadow.net [209.4.38.104]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18309 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708141439.KAA18309@anshar.shadow.net> From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Re: BTW Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:05:00 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thank you all for your responses to my BTW question. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 11:08:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA038491330; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:08:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22846; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:07:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22735; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22703; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA29718; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:07:30 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199708141507.SAA29718@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 18:07:03 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Cc: Subject: RE: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.30a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 at 10:22 AM you, "TROTTIER, Tom" , said: >I am thinking of upgrading too.. some questions: >1. Does the plastic wrap resemble Saran wrap? Would several layers of >Saran wrap work as well? 2. Would the plastic wrap cause any overheating >or reduced component life? I have no idea what "Saran wrap" is, but you can easily see for yourself what the original plastic wrap looks like by taking the drive off your TP701, which is very easily and safely done (after all, the TP701 drives were designed to be removable). I suppose IBM wouldn't have wrapped the drives if it could have damaged them. It probably also protects the drive against dust and oxidation. At one time my TP701 acted as my home Internet server and was switched on 24 hours a day for more than 5 months. Neither the TP701 nor the drive itself appeared to have suffered from any kind of overheating. Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 11:50:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA046043832; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:50:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25248; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:49:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25128; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25118; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248]) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id IAA22422; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00014F0F; Thu, 14 Aug 97 08:50:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:49:49 -0700 Message-Id: <00014F0F.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" , "TROTTIER; Tom" Subject: Re[2]: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.128375178" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.128375178 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part well, if no one else is going to chime up... It's NOT Saran wrap. The jacket is made of the same stuff as the standard bag that most electronic components are shipped in. The purpose of the jacket is to protect the exposed components from contact from static electricity. Remember, that in most hard drives, some, if not all of the components are exposed. Normally, that's no big deal since hard drives aren't usually being handled by people once the drive is installed. But, removable drives, such as the 701, 360, 760, etc. can potentially be handled. Thus, the inner jacket. Bottom line: if you intend to actually remove your hard drive from your laptop, take anti-static precautions which include wearing a grounding leash on the wrist that is handling the component(s). If your hard drive case doesn't fully protect the drive, I'd make a jacket by cutting an anti-static bag to size. Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Author: "TROTTIER; Tom" at Internet Date: 8/14/97 10:22 AM I am thinking of upgrading too.. some questions: 1. Does the plastic wrap resemble Saran wrap? Would several layers of Saran wrap work as well? 2. Would the plastic wrap cause any overheating or reduced component life? TIA, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com ---------- From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@earthlink.net] Sent: 1997 August 13 - Wednesday 12:14 To: Dominique Pivard; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: Robert W. King Subject: Re: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS On Thu, 14 Aug 97 01:55:18 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 at 08:00 AM you, "Robert W. King" , >said: > >>I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard drive >>presuming I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is ,,, >Based on the advice of a fellow list member, I teared the plastic film off >the old drive and wrapped the new drive in it: besides protecting it, it >also made the drive very quiet (and quiet it is indeed!). --IMA.Boundary.128375178 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail-oak-1.pilot.net (198.232.147.16) by ima.jud.ca.gov with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00014EB0; Thu, 14 Aug 97 07:31:23 -0700 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mail-oak-1.pilot.net with ESMTP id HAA18165 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 07:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20788; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:27:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20695; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20684; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25394 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:11:31 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCA89C.EBE61420@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:29:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:22:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 31 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.128375178-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 12:26:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA052816015; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:26:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27176; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:25:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27090; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27070; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20428 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1997 16:25:44 -0000 Received: from enteract.com (206.54.252.1) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1997 16:25:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:25:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Gene Jablonowski To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS In-Reply-To: <199708132316.QAA21828@germany.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I thought that IBM did their own OEM drives? Is it really Toshiba that makes them? The IBM Travelstar specs seem better than any other slimline (12.7mm) drive out there, am I wrong? Would Toshiba make a better drive for IBM, that IBM would turn around and OEM out anyway? Just curious. As for drive prices, the latest catalog from Insight (www.insight.com) listed a 2.1GB/12.7mm Seagate drive for $299, eye opening for me, now all I need is a torx T6, a power drill, a rubber mallet (wouldn't want to scratch my 701) and I'm ready to upgrade. Why pay $525 for someone else to do it when you can DIY? Probably end up upgrading to 4 or 5 gig when those come around anyway, you know? :) Gene From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 13:05:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA059108299; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:04:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28852; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:02:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28688; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28676; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA13816; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:02:19 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199708141702.UAA13816@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 20:01:51 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Cc: Gene Jablonowski Subject: Re: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.30a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 at 11:25 AM you, Gene Jablonowski , said: >I thought that IBM did their own OEM drives? Is it really Toshiba that >makes them? The IBM Travelstar specs seem better than any other slimline >(12.7mm) drive out there, am I wrong? Would Toshiba make a better drive >for IBM, that IBM would turn around and OEM out anyway? Just curious. There is no visible sign on the Travelstar that Toshiba made it, just that it's "OEM", "Made for IBM" and "Made in Thailand". Maybe someone who has seen both could comment. My first impression is really good anyway. >As for drive prices, the latest catalog from Insight (www.insight.com) >listed a 2.1GB/12.7mm Seagate drive for $299, eye opening for me, now all >I need is a torx T6, a power drill, a rubber mallet (wouldn't want to What would you use the rubber mallet for? The drive+caddy combo is designed to be removable and you can do it easily with your naked hands. >scratch my 701) and I'm ready to upgrade. Why pay $525 for someone else >to do it when you can DIY? Probably end up upgrading to 4 or 5 gig when >those come around anyway, you know? :) The DIY way was the right choice for you and me, but as someone pointed out yesterday the service and extra hardware included in the more expensive bundle can be of value to those who want a no hassle / no risk / no pain solution. Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 15:07:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA079075669; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:07:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06553; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:03:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06298; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06281; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA30100 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:46:53 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCA8C3.63A5CA70@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:04:40 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "rwking@ipa.net" , richard Cc: " Subject: 3 Gb 1/2" HD for thinkpads, etc. Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:57:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 63 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Apparently, Procom now has a ?" (12.7mm) drive available to fit your favorite thinkpad.: 3.00GB EIDE 12.7MM 13MS 2.5 INT DRIVE W/ SFTWARE Check out http://www.uvision.com/idx/MASS_STORAGE_DEVICES/HARD_DISK_DRIVES___ACCESSORIES/IDE_1_8GB_TO_3_5GB/ under the Procom Technology Inc. heading. Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre 50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada +1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 ttrottier@shl.com ---------- From: richard[SMTP:rpritz@interport.net] Sent: 1997 August 13 - Wednesday 09:22 To: rwking@ipa.net Cc: To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Date: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 8:57 am Subject: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Hi Paul (or anybody else who wants to chime in)! I've more or less decided to upgrade my 701CS to a 2.1 gig hard drive presuming I can find one for a price I can afford. The problem is identifying vendors who sell the things. I would also be looking for some means of making use of the present 540 meg drive. I've flipped through the portable computing and laptop magazines and found them remarkably free of ads for laptop replacement drives. Any suggestions? Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver. SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, AR 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086; InterNet: rwking@ipa.net http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/i/n/Robert-W-King/index.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 15:32:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA083807164; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:32:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08271; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:26:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08153; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08143; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool045-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool045-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.195]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA16382; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708141926.MAA16382@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Chris Michalek" , "Steve Parker" , "TROTTIER, Tom" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 12:23:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: 701 and epson 800 printer Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:14:26 -0400, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: >You might also look in the 701 setup for the parallel ports: >1. ECP is faster than EPP which is faster than a plain parallel port. >2. Your OS & program should all be pointing to the right port >3. Also look for any IRQ conflicts > >Which OS? > >Ciao, Tom > What OS do you use, ie Windows whatever, OS/2 Warp, Linux, DOS, CP/M (just kidding), etc. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 15:35:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA084577300; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:35:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08768; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:34:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08677; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08664; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool045-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool045-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.195]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12102; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708141933.MAA12102@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bryan Daum" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 12:30:50 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 13 Aug 1997 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Daum wrote: >The micro printer you mentioned: How much $? What drawbacks/problems? = I >have been looking for a portable printer with an IR port but a micro pr= inter >may have to do. > >Bryan > It's the Pentax PocketJet, a 1.1lb printer that's 10" long, cost depends= on memory size, I got mine when it came out for $399, and have had it for over 1.5= years. It's a thermal printer, so you need thermal paper, but it's HP LaserJet = 2p compatible, and has parrallel, serial, Mac and HP Omnigo cables now. Comes with 512= K of RAM inside, and the new version has 2MB. Because it's thermal, there's = nothing else to worry about to print, besides the included battery (NiCd, which = lasts quite well), and the battery lasts for ~35 pages. I was thinking about the HP 340 po= rtable, but ink cartridge cost was too high. It's only $7.99 for 100 sheets of pape= r, thus costing 7.9=BD per page, and everything is included in the box when you = buy it to start printing immediately. I like it and recommend it (and no, I= don't work for them). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 16:36:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096490980; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:36:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11884; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:34:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11782; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11768; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cccpw.pw.co.contra-costa.ca.us (h206-80-46-20.ccnet.com [206.80.46.20] (may be forged)) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.6/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id NAA01034 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33F34F9B.3AA7BDC1@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:34:04 -0500 From: jeff kiyoi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: thinkpad lemon exchange? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all. I seem to remember quite a while back, someone mentioning that their 701 had become a virtual lemon, and that eventually IBM agreed to take it in exchange along with some cash for a 560. If anyone has any knowledge of this, could you please contact me privately, as I am finding myself in a similar situation. Regards, Jeff elvislives@mindspring.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 16:43:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA097541397; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:43:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12437; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:42:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12317; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.apc.net ([207.211.19.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12287; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp6226.la.inreach.net (ppp6226.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.226]) by mail.apc.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id pa137503 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:40:49 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.apc.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708141933.MAA12102@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:41:27 -0800 To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Bryan Daum" From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 13 Aug 1997 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:30 PM -0800 8/14/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Daum wrote: > >>The micro printer you mentioned: How much $? What drawbacks/problems? I >>have been looking for a portable printer with an IR port but a micro print= er >>may have to do. >> >>Bryan >> >It's the Pentax PocketJet, a 1.1lb printer that's 10" long, cost depends >on memory >size, I got mine when it came out for $399, and have had it for over 1.5 >years. > >It's a thermal printer, so you need thermal paper, but it's HP LaserJet 2p >compatible, >and has parrallel, serial, Mac and HP Omnigo cables now. Comes with 512K o= f >RAM inside, and the new version has 2MB. Because it's thermal, there's >nothing >else to worry about to print, besides the included battery (NiCd, which >lasts quite well), >and the battery lasts for ~35 pages. I was thinking about the HP 340 >portable, but >ink cartridge cost was too high. It's only $7.99 for 100 sheets of paper, >thus >costing 7.9=87 per page, and everything is included in the box when you buy >it to start printing immediately. I like it and recommend it (and no, I >don't work for them). > >Paul Just don't leave the printed paper in the sun, etc., which nixs the thermal for me. It isn't exactly portable, just small, but I have a little Star thermal transfer printer that works well. I think you really need to see what the output of a printer looks like before you buy into a new technology. BTW anybody need a nice low usage Printronix P300 for their portable? (I have one, but this is a joke for those who don't know a P300 is a line printer for a minicomputer. It does have wheels though, so technically its portable). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 18:58:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA121859497; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:58:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18465; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:56:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18324; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18314; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool064-max4.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool064-max4.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.64]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19999; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708142256.PAA19999@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bryan Daum" , "Mike Ford" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 15:54:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 13 Aug 1997 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:41:27 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: >At 12:30 PM -0800 8/14/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >>On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Daum wrote: >> >>>The micro printer you mentioned: How much $? What drawbacks/problems? I >>>have been looking for a portable printer with an IR port but a micro printer >>>may have to do. >>> >>>Bryan >>> >>It's the Pentax PocketJet, a 1.1lb printer that's 10" long, cost depends >>on memory >>size, I got mine when it came out for $399, and have had it for over 1.5 >>years. >> >>It's a thermal printer, so you need thermal paper, but it's HP LaserJet 2p >>compatible, >>and has parrallel, serial, Mac and HP Omnigo cables now. Comes with 512K of >>RAM inside, and the new version has 2MB. Because it's thermal, there's >>nothing >>else to worry about to print, besides the included battery (NiCd, which >>lasts quite well), >>and the battery lasts for ~35 pages. I was thinking about the HP 340 >>portable, but >>ink cartridge cost was too high. It's only $7.99 for 100 sheets of paper, >>thus >>costing 7.9 per page, and everything is included in the box when you buy >>it to start printing immediately. I like it and recommend it (and no, I >>don't work for them). >> >>Paul > >Just don't leave the printed paper in the sun, etc., which nixs the thermal >for me. It isn't exactly portable, just small, but I have a little Star >thermal transfer printer that works well. I think you really need to see >what the output of a printer looks like before you buy into a new >technology. > >BTW anybody need a nice low usage Printronix P300 for their portable? (I >have one, but this is a joke for those who don't know a P300 is a line >printer for a minicomputer. It does have wheels though, so technically its >portable). > You mean like a band printer used for mainframes? Is it fast? Also, I forgot to mention that I dropped my Pentax from about 3-5 feet, it chipped a tiny piece of plastic and the LED lens, which my dad actually found (this was at his shop!), and the printer worked perfectly! No kidding! It's cheap for me, but that's true about not leaving it in the sun. My dad owns 2 beauty salons, and at 1, he has tanning beds, and I printed out a bullitin for the tanning rooms, and they are so faded, you wonder what happened to them, but that's an extreme example. The paper is of decent quality, too, though I got a bad batch from Club PC as a multiple pack (and they screwed everything up, too.) Later, Paul Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 19:15:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA124360538; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:15:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19007; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:14:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18922; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18905; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool030-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool030-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.105]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26114; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708142314.QAA26114@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Gene Jablonowski" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 16:11:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 Aug 97 20:01:51 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 at 11:25 AM you, Gene Jablonowski , >said: > >>I thought that IBM did their own OEM drives? Is it really Toshiba that >>makes them? The IBM Travelstar specs seem better than any other slimline >>(12.7mm) drive out there, am I wrong? Would Toshiba make a better drive >>for IBM, that IBM would turn around and OEM out anyway? Just curious. > >There is no visible sign on the Travelstar that Toshiba made it, just that >it's "OEM", "Made for IBM" and "Made in Thailand". Maybe someone who has >seen both could comment. My first impression is really good anyway. > The technician I talked to said that he took off all the labels on a dead drive, but that might have been "Made for". I have one (DHAA-2405), 340MB from a 755CE that says "Made by IBM UK in UK", and it's a real nice drive. IBM also told me that a replacement of another is on its way, so I can put Linux on it. And it seems funny that on this list, we're talking about huge drives, and the other list I'm on, we're talking about getting our 5-40MB drives to work on our XT's. Times sure change (3.0GB on a 12.7mm form factor!) Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 19:24:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125151053; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:24:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19382; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:23:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19295; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rho.ben2.ucla.edu (rho.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19284; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibmtp701c ([128.97.149.28]) by rho.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA35018; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:23:00 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:25:55 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCA8CE.BD31AD10.eddy@ucla.edu> From: Eddy Lin Reply-To: "eddy@ucla.edu" To: "'Chris.Michalek@kmktech.com'" , ThinkPad List Subject: RE: 701 and Epson 800 printer Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:25:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Try changing the printer port to EPP or standard. I had a problem with slow printing to a HP LaserJet 4P when I have it set to ECP. Setting it back to EPP fixed it. Eddy Lin -----Original Message----- From: Chris Michalek [SMTP:chris.michalek@kmktech.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 2:43 PM To: ThinkPad List Subject: 701 and epson 800 printer Has anyone else had success printing from a 701 using an epson stylus 800? It's an awesome printer but is horribly slow when using the 701C. The printer is fine and works well with my desktop PC, Macs and 760 but the 701 is slow. All machines have exactly the same software. This problem has been chewing at my for a feew weeks. The Epson techs couldn't figure it out either. Thanks - Chris Michalek, Information Architect From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 19:33:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA127061633; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:33:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19876; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19662; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19624; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA55334; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:26:32 -0400 Received: by 17-0025.residence.usherb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA8E8.D1BC7840@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca>; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:36 -0500 Message-Id: <01BCA8E8.D1BC7840@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: ThinkPad List Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu UNSUBSCRIBE magicfab@bigfoot.com -- Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org - Le Code Postal Rebelle! http://magicfab.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 19:35:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA127341700; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:35:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20029; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19780; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19736; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA53050; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:26:59 -0400 Received: by 17-0025.residence.usherb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA8E8.E1743660@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca>; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:33:02 -0500 Message-Id: <01BCA8E8.E1743660@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: "'ThinkPad List'" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:33:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu UNSUBSCRIBE Fabian.Rodriguez@callisto.si.usherb.ca -- Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org - Le Code Postal Rebelle! http://magicfab.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 19:35:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA127401712; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:35:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20075; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:33:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19829; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19787; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA63054; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:27:17 -0400 Received: by 17-0025.residence.usherb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA8E8.EC0EC040@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca>; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:33:20 -0500 Message-Id: <01BCA8E8.EC0EC040@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: "'ThinkPad List'" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:33:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu UNSUBSCRIBE rodrf00@dmi.usherb.ca -- Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org - Le Code Postal Rebelle! http://magicfab.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 14 20:35:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA136005350; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:35:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19997; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19711; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19689; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 17-0025.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA55344; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:26:47 -0400 Received: by 17-0025.residence.usherb.ca with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA8E8.DAA42200@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca>; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:51 -0500 Message-Id: <01BCA8E8.DAA42200@17-0025.residence.usherb.ca> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: "'ThinkPad List'" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:32:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu UNSUBSCRIBE 94251116callisto.si.usherb.ca -- Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org - Le Code Postal Rebelle! http://magicfab.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 15 02:43:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189287435; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 02:43:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01841; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 02:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 15 Aug 1997 02:42:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01752; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 02:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01742; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 02:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-43.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-43.earthlink.net [206.149.201.68]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA08970; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708150641.XAA08970@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ELKS List" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 23:39:27 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Personal Web Site Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, sorry for the delay, but here is the permanent address: http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org So if you don't get on, then I'm probably not logged on. Regards, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 15 11:22:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248408547; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:22:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29386; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:20:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29214; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29204; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu (128.119.70.196) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:23:40 -0400 Received: by rheo-port.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BCA96D.303D89C0@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu>; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:20:08 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCA96D.303D89C0@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> From: axel hartmann To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Rubber Mallet, was RE: Sources for 2.1 gig Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:20:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi, >[...] >As for drive prices, the latest catalog from Insight (www.insight.com) >listed a 2.1GB/12.7mm Seagate drive for $299, eye opening for me, now all >I need is a torx T6, a power drill, a rubber mallet just curious, but, ummm, would you care to elaborate on that? I believe the times when a hammer/mallet was standard equipment with Seagate drives are over. (the heads used to stick to the magnetic surface, preventing the drive from spinning up - but that was in the 40MB-days... a whack with a hammer (or dropping the whole computer a few inches) usually did the job...) BTW, I managed to swap the drive without a Torx screwriver. I used a small Philips screwdriver held at a slant. I've done it 3 or four times now, and it still works and I believe a Torx would still fit - I'm not grinding the inside profile too much. >(wouldn't want to >scratch my 701) and I'm ready to upgrade. Why pay $525 for someone else >to do it when you can DIY? I believe the real bonus in getting the expensive caddy solution is having a second caddy. I would really appreciate having another one, especially since the laptop as of today is not my primary computer any more, and I could swap OS's that way. >Probably end up upgrading to 4 or 5 gig when >those come around anyway, you know? :) IBM's ~6GB 2.5" is a 19mm high drive, afaik... axel ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper Summer : 30 Kellogg Ave; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice only : +1 (413) 256 - 6264 . . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 1649 . . E-Mail : axelh@polysci.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 15 15:55:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294234931; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:55:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15790; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:49:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15088; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15073; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16341 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1997 19:49:16 -0000 Received: from baphomet-39.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.39) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1997 19:49:16 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Rubber Mallet, was RE: Sources for 2.1 gig Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:47:43 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <33f4b20e.195595@smtp.enteract.com> References: <01BCA96D.303D89C0@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> In-Reply-To: <01BCA96D.303D89C0@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:20:06 -0400, you wrote: >I believe the real bonus in getting the expensive caddy solution >is having a second caddy. I would really appreciate having another >one, especially since the laptop as of today is not my primary=20 >computer any more, and I could swap OS's that way. I remember Portables Enhancements you to sell an empty 701 caddy for about $90. Aren't they still available, and has anyone used one? epbrown |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown=20 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 17 01:26:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA209115573; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 01:26:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10533; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 01:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 17 Aug 1997 01:18:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10369; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 01:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10359; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 01:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max1-ot-ca-06.earthlink.net (max1-ot-ca-06.earthlink.net [206.149.196.56]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06151; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708170517.WAA06151@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Paul Anderson" , "Archie N. Lai" , "ThinkPad List" , "ELKS List" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 97 22:14:50 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If anyone needs to access my website, I am having trouble connecting with ml.org, so please use the simple http://max1-ot-ca-06.earthlink.net This should be valid for about 6-7.5 hours. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 17 19:26:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA018030383; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:26:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15556; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:23:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15379; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix.asb.com (unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15369; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls50.asb.com (sls50.asb.com [165.254.128.130]) by unix.asb.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA02002 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:27:09 -0400 (EDT) From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Re: BTW Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:20:05 GMT Message-Id: <33f762f2.1098620@unix.asb.com> References: <199708141337.JAA13431@anshar.shadow.net> In-Reply-To: <199708141337.JAA13431@anshar.shadow.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu IIRC it means "By The Way" On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:08:54 -0400, "Geovanny M. Ortiz" wrote about "BTW": >Please excuse my ignorance, but I've seen these three letters, BTW, very >often and I don't know what they mean. Please enlighten me. > >Thank you, > >Geovanny M. Ortiz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 17 21:35:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA030858150; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:35:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18677; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:34:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18550; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18521; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net [206.149.201.82]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00688 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708180134.SAA00688@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 14:29:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sources for 12.7mm drives for 701CS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone want to sell their old 12.7mm drive from their 701 because of an upgrade? I need a cheap extra drive for Linux, in addition to my plans of hopefully buying a new external monitor and upgradding to 40MB like everybody else. BTW, anyone want to buy a 4MB module when I upgrade? It'll be really cheap! Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 17 21:35:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA030898157; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:35:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18684; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:34:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18514; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18502; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-57.earthlink.net [206.149.201.82]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00610; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708180133.SAA00610@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "ttrottier@shl.com" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 14:26:56 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 Aug 97 18:07:03 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 at 10:22 AM you, "TROTTIER, Tom" , >said: > >>I am thinking of upgrading too.. some questions: >>1. Does the plastic wrap resemble Saran wrap? Would several layers of >>Saran wrap work as well? 2. Would the plastic wrap cause any overheating >>or reduced component life? > >I have no idea what "Saran wrap" is, but you can easily see for yourself >what the original plastic wrap looks like by taking the drive off your >TP701, which is very easily and safely done (after all, the TP701 drives >were designed to be removable). > Saran wrap is a plastic wrap for foods. >I suppose IBM wouldn't have wrapped the drives if it could have damaged >them. It probably also protects the drive against dust and oxidation. > Or electro-static, perhaps. >At one time my TP701 acted as my home Internet server and was switched on >24 hours a day for more than 5 months. Neither the TP701 nor the drive >itself appeared to have suffered from any kind of overheating. > Long time. I had my ThinkPad on for like 1.5 weeks straight, and my Linux server for about 2 weeks, all the time, w/ external SCSI peripherals. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 18 01:18:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA054891526; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:18:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24337; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:16:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24256; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24244; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([207.147.64.241]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA8025 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 05:15:39 +0000 Message-Id: <33F7DAB0.3402@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:16:32 -0400 From: Dave Fortman Reply-To: x3harley@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Doesn't Saran wrap use a static charge to cling to itself? If it does, then it may not be a good idea to use it on a HD or any other sensitive electronics! I would think that any plastic film used on a hard disk would be similar to the anti-static bags used to ship computer boards and chips (and hard disks). Dave Fortman TP750P 20meg ram 360 mb hd From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 18 01:54:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA058943671; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:54:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24999; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:49:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24817; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24806; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708180549.BAA24806@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 23702 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1997 05:49:26 -0000 Received: from blue.sa.enteract.com (HELO blue) (207.229.132.22) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1997 05:49:26 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Gene J" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:48:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Rubber Mallet, was RE: Sources for 2.1 gig Reply-To: blue@enteract.com Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <01BCA96D.303D89C0@rheo-port.pse.umass.edu> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >As for drive prices, the latest catalog from Insight (www.insight.com) > >listed a 2.1GB/12.7mm Seagate drive for $299, eye opening for me, now all > >I need is a torx T6, a power drill, a rubber mallet > > just curious, but, ummm, would you care to elaborate on that? > I believe the times when a hammer/mallet was standard equipment > with Seagate drives are over. (the heads used to stick to the > magnetic surface, preventing the drive from spinning up - but > that was in the 40MB-days... a whack with a hammer (or dropping > the whole computer a few inches) usually did the job...) I was kidding about the rubber mallet. :) -- Gene From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 18 03:54:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073720874; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 03:54:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00386; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 03:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 18 Aug 1997 03:50:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29904; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 03:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sisyphus.cs.kun.nl (sisyphus.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29861; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 03:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas by sisyphus.cs.kun.nl via atlas.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.42] with SMTP for id JAA25419 (8.8.4/4.0); Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:50:07 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: mauricek@cs.kun.nl Message-Id: <33F7FEAF.167EB0E7@cs.kun.nl> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:50:07 +0200 From: Maurice klein Gebbinck Organization: University of Nijmegen, Computing Science Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: BTW References: <199708141337.JAA13431@anshar.shadow.net> <33f762f2.1098620@unix.asb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Joseph Christie wrote: > > IIRC it means "By The Way" > > On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:08:54 -0400, "Geovanny M. Ortiz" > wrote about "BTW": > > >Please excuse my ignorance, but I've seen these three letters, BTW, very > >often and I don't know what they mean. Please enlighten me. As everybody probably knows already ;-), in the Netherlands BTW means "belasting toegevoegde waarde", i.e. VAT. Hope this helps, Maurice -- Maurice klein Gebbinck University of Nijmegen, Computing Science Institute Toernooiveld 1, 6525 ED Nijmegen, The Netherlands Phone +31 24 3652710, Fax +31 24 3553450 http://www.cs.kun.nl/~mauricek From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 18 04:36:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA077883415; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:36:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03291; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:33:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03108; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.apc.net (mail.rxh.com [207.113.177.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03097; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp6218.la.inreach.net (ppp6218.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.218]) by mail.apc.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ia216354 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:32:11 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.apc.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33F7DAB0.3402@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:32:15 -0800 To: x3harley@worldnet.att.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: RE: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 1:16 AM -0400 8/18/97, Dave Fortman wrote: >Doesn't Saran wrap use a static charge to cling to itself? If it does, >then it may not be a good idea to use it on a HD or any other sensitive >electronics! I would think that any plastic film used on a hard disk >would be similar to the anti-static bags used to ship computer boards >and chips (and hard disks). > Saran is a insulating thin, but generally totally impermiable membrane. People used to use to make electrostatic speakers, I use it to keep the scum off pudding in the fridge. My concern in using it is that ANY moisture that is inside will stay inside. This means it could condense in the wrong place once the device cooled down, or sat overnight. I don't think it is a source of static, just a good insulator that doesn't disspate the static charge. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 18 11:07:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118386840; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:07:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24499; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:00:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24140; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24127; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheology2.pse.umass.edu (128.119.70.192) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:03:42 -0400 Received: by rheology2.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BCABC5.E5111420@rheology2.pse.umass.edu>; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:00:09 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCABC5.E5111420@rheology2.pse.umass.edu> From: axel hartmann To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'blue@enteract.com'" Subject: RE: Rubber Mallet, was RE: Sources for 2.1 gig Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:00:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sonntag, 17. August 1997 20:48, Gene J wrote: >> >As for drive prices, the latest catalog from Insight (www.insight.com) >> >listed a 2.1GB/12.7mm Seagate drive for $299, eye opening for me, now all >> >I need is a torx T6, a power drill, a rubber mallet >> >> just curious, but, ummm, would you care to elaborate on that? >> I believe the times when a hammer/mallet was standard equipment >> with Seagate drives are over. (the heads used to stick to the >> magnetic surface, preventing the drive from spinning up - but >> that was in the 40MB-days... a whack with a hammer (or dropping >> the whole computer a few inches) usually did the job...) > >I was kidding about the rubber mallet. :) And I was just reading an article on "percussive maintenance"... axel From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 18 18:23:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184083002; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:23:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26564; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:22:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26468; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uluru.Stanford.EDU (uluru.Stanford.EDU [171.64.65.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26457; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from interran@localhost) by uluru.Stanford.EDU (8.7.6/8.7.1) id PAA20118; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:22:05 -0700 (PDT) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Sources for ThinkPad 760 2.1GB HDDs Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: John Interrante Date: 18 Aug 1997 15:22:02 -0700 Message-Id: <7nyb5zb08l.fsf@uluru.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 44 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I'm a grad student in the Computer System Laboratory at Stanford University. In February, I bought a ThinkPad 760EL from ReQuest Technology in Palo Alto. It came with Windows 95 on a 1.08GB hard disk drive. I thought about installing Linux, but kept using Windows 95 and now my existing HDD's too full to let me install a full Linux distribution (X, Emacs, TeX, etc.). I'm thinking about buying a bigger HDD, installing Windows on it, and putting Linux on my existing 1.08GB HDD since Linux isn't as space-hungry as Windows. I've been checking mail-order prices for 2.1GB drives on some websites and here's what I've found: 2.1GB HDD: IBM P/N 69H8414 $518 - Procom Technology (ATOM2000TP2U) $524 - Portable Enhancements (Toshiba slimline 2.1GB in 760 caddy) $580 - Road Warrior Int'l IBM ThinkPad 760 HDD kit (DKIB760-21R) $586 - CMS Enhancements 2.0GB Easy Plug-Easy Go (TP760E-2.0) $615 - Simple Technologies (STM-TP760HD/2100) $706 - Apricorn (21IBM76) $725 - Sigma Data (QED/TP760-2.1CD) $810 - IBM (69H8414) I don't want to risk buying a drive from one of these non-IBM companies without as much information as possible. I'd like to appeal to the ThinkPad mailing list for experiences with any of these companies. Procom Technology says on its website (www.procom.com) that they manufacture their own drives, so I have to wonder how reliable their drives are (I've heard that IBM and Toshiba make the BEST drives). Sigma Data says on their website (www.sigmadata.com) that they buy their drives from IBM and IBM will even perform warranty service on Sigma Data drives just like IBM drives. The carrying case shown on their website is a nice touch too for people who have to carry a second HDD around. Still, I'd like to ask people's opinions of these companies. Or if someone were to offer to sell me a used 2.1GB or 3.0GB HDD in a 760 caddy for the right price, I'd be very interested. :-) (I'd want to use a third-party intermediary called Trade-Direct, www.trade-direct.com, to protect myself if I bought a used HDD from somebody who I didn't know.) Sincerely yours, John Interrante Fax: 1-415-325-1747 Email: interran@uluru.stanford.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 18 20:51:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204971872; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:51:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02354; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:49:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02238; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02228; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA18778; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:47:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:47:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: John Interrante Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sources for ThinkPad 760 2.1GB HDDs In-Reply-To: <7nyb5zb08l.fsf@uluru.Stanford.EDU> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I would recommend the following: IBM DCRA-22160 2.1GB from Bason computers $329 - 800-238-4453 or IBM DLGA-23080 3.0GB from Bason computers $499 Caddy for thinkpad from PS Solutions: $ not sure but most probably under $75 - Their phone number is 972-548-8080 - They have caddies for 355, 360, 750, 755, 760, 365, and 701. Maybe for 560 as well but its not in the catalog. So if you got the 2.1GB plus the caddy that gives you a grand total of $404 plus shipping. And it's a genuine IBM hard drive. On 18 Aug 1997, John Interrante wrote: > Hello, I'm a grad student in the Computer System Laboratory at > Stanford University. In February, I bought a ThinkPad 760EL from > ReQuest Technology in Palo Alto. It came with Windows 95 on a 1.08GB > hard disk drive. I thought about installing Linux, but kept using > Windows 95 and now my existing HDD's too full to let me install a full > Linux distribution (X, Emacs, TeX, etc.). I'm thinking about buying a > bigger HDD, installing Windows on it, and putting Linux on my existing > 1.08GB HDD since Linux isn't as space-hungry as Windows. I've been > checking mail-order prices for 2.1GB drives on some websites and > here's what I've found: > > 2.1GB HDD: IBM P/N 69H8414 > $518 - Procom Technology (ATOM2000TP2U) > $524 - Portable Enhancements (Toshiba slimline 2.1GB in 760 caddy) > $580 - Road Warrior Int'l IBM ThinkPad 760 HDD kit (DKIB760-21R) > $586 - CMS Enhancements 2.0GB Easy Plug-Easy Go (TP760E-2.0) > $615 - Simple Technologies (STM-TP760HD/2100) > $706 - Apricorn (21IBM76) > $725 - Sigma Data (QED/TP760-2.1CD) > $810 - IBM (69H8414) > > I don't want to risk buying a drive from one of these non-IBM > companies without as much information as possible. I'd like to appeal > to the ThinkPad mailing list for experiences with any of these > companies. Procom Technology says on its website (www.procom.com) > that they manufacture their own drives, so I have to wonder how > reliable their drives are (I've heard that IBM and Toshiba make the > BEST drives). Sigma Data says on their website (www.sigmadata.com) > that they buy their drives from IBM and IBM will even perform warranty > service on Sigma Data drives just like IBM drives. The carrying case > shown on their website is a nice touch too for people who have to > carry a second HDD around. Still, I'd like to ask people's opinions > of these companies. Or if someone were to offer to sell me a used > 2.1GB or 3.0GB HDD in a 760 caddy for the right price, I'd be very > interested. :-) (I'd want to use a third-party intermediary called > Trade-Direct, www.trade-direct.com, to protect myself if I bought a > used HDD from somebody who I didn't know.) > > Sincerely yours, > > John Interrante > > Fax: 1-415-325-1747 > Email: interran@uluru.stanford.edu > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 18 20:52:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA205051948; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:52:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02486; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:51:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02397; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02380; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA08652; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:50:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: John Interrante Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sources for ThinkPad 760 2.1GB HDDs In-Reply-To: <7nyb5zb08l.fsf@uluru.Stanford.EDU> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 18 Aug 1997, John Interrante wrote: > Or if someone were to offer to sell me a used > 2.1GB or 3.0GB HDD in a 760 caddy for the right price, I'd be very > interested. :-) I don't think you'll find any used 3.0GB hard drives just yet. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 19 10:34:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA006661254; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:34:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16843; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:32:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16627; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16600; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA20809 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:31:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970819093044.006af0a8@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:30:44 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Sources for ThinkPad 760 2.1GB HDDs In-Reply-To: <7nyb5zb08l.fsf@uluru.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 755CE started out with a (way too small) 340Meg drive. It was almost immediately replaced by an 810 (also, eventually, too small) from Sigma, which worked flawlessly. A few weeks ago, I replaced the 810 with a 2.1 Gig from Simple. This drive also just plugged in and worked with no problem. (Naturally, I had to install OS & SW.) BTW, I bought the Sigma drive direct (using the ThinkPad mailing list discount) and bought the Simple drive from Computer Discount Warehouse (mail order place located practically in my back yard). -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 19 11:36:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA016045000; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:36:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21253; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:33:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20871; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20857; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max3-ot-ca-04.earthlink.net (max3-ot-ca-04.earthlink.net [206.149.196.154]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA04790; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708191532.IAA04790@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "blue@enteract.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 97 11:15:26 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:48:49 +0000, Gene J wrote: >> >As for drive prices, the latest catalog from Insight (www.insight.com) >> >listed a 2.1GB/12.7mm Seagate drive for $299, eye opening for me, now all >> >I need is a torx T6, a power drill, a rubber mallet >> >> just curious, but, ummm, would you care to elaborate on that? >> I believe the times when a hammer/mallet was standard equipment >> with Seagate drives are over. (the heads used to stick to the >> magnetic surface, preventing the drive from spinning up - but >> that was in the 40MB-days... a whack with a hammer (or dropping >> the whole computer a few inches) usually did the job...) > >I was kidding about the rubber mallet. :) >-- > Gene > Gene- I thought you were serious. I use and still do use a Stanley screwdriver with those fat plastic handles, because I have nearly 20 PCs, maybe 21, of which 8 are 386's, 2 486's, this ThinkPad (seperate catagory), a Pentium server, and the rest are palmtops and <= 286's, and about half of all have seagate MFM hard drives! :-> Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 19 11:36:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA016115004; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:36:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21256; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:33:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20910; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20882; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max3-ot-ca-04.earthlink.net (max3-ot-ca-04.earthlink.net [206.149.196.154]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA04853; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708191532.IAA04853@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "axel hartmann" , "blue@enteract.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 97 11:16:08 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Rubber Mallet, was RE: Sources for 2.1 gig Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:00:08 -0400, axel hartmann wrote: >On Sonntag, 17. August 1997 20:48, Gene J wrote: >>> >As for drive prices, the latest catalog from Insight (www.insight.com) >>> >listed a 2.1GB/12.7mm Seagate drive for $299, eye opening for me, now all >>> >I need is a torx T6, a power drill, a rubber mallet >>> >>> just curious, but, ummm, would you care to elaborate on that? >>> I believe the times when a hammer/mallet was standard equipment >>> with Seagate drives are over. (the heads used to stick to the >>> magnetic surface, preventing the drive from spinning up - but >>> that was in the 40MB-days... a whack with a hammer (or dropping >>> the whole computer a few inches) usually did the job...) >> >>I was kidding about the rubber mallet. :) > >And I was just reading an article on "percussive maintenance"... > >axel > > > Well it does work. PK From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 19 14:49:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA049596554; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:49:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02181; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:47:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02047; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02036; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17972 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:47:20 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCACAF.0217CDE0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:48:51 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'blue@enteract.com'" , axel hartmann Subject: RE: Rubber Mallet, was RE: Sources for 2.1 gig Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:42:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 31 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Reminds me of a cartoon - the salesman was saying, "And you'll like the easy maintenance" - The picture showed a computer with a target on it, saying "Kick here" ---------- From: axel hartmann[SMTP:axelh@polysci.umass.edu] Sent: 1997 August 18 - Monday 11:00 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 'blue@enteract.com' Subject: RE: Rubber Mallet, was RE: Sources for 2.1 gig On Sonntag, 17. August 1997 20:48, Gene J wrote: >> >As for drive prices, the latest catalog from Insight (www.insight.com) >> >listed a 2.1GB/12.7mm Seagate drive for $299, eye opening for me, now all >> >I need is a torx T6, a power drill, a rubber mallet >> >> just curious, but, ummm, would you care to elaborate on that? >> I believe the times when a hammer/mallet was standard equipment >> with Seagate drives are over. (the heads used to stick to the >> magnetic surface, preventing the drive from spinning up - but >> that was in the 40MB-days... a whack with a hammer (or dropping >> the whole computer a few inches) usually did the job...) > >I was kidding about the rubber mallet. :) And I was just reading an article on "percussive maintenance"... axel From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 19 15:33:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA057489216; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:33:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04762; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:32:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04668; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maple.grove.iup.edu (maple.grove.iup.edu [144.80.128.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04617; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V5.0-6 #2467) id <01IMMN60BGDS8WW0CZ@grove.iup.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:31:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:27:39 -0500 (EST) From: Mark J Strawcutter Subject: packet driver for CC Adapter II To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IMMNC7G9IU8WW0CZ@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania X-Envelope-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm looking for a native packet driver for an "Ethernet Credit Card Adapter II". Any/all pointers would be appriciated - I've poked around www.pc.ibm.com and haven't found anything. If necessary, I could run NDIS (native or with packet driver on top). The disk that came with the adapter is several years old - does anyone know if there are newer drivers available somewhere? Thanks /mjs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 19 18:42:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087250525; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:42:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14173; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:40:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14058; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14048; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cccpw.pw.co.contra-costa.ca.us (h206-80-46-49.ccnet.com [206.80.46.49]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id PAA06818 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33FA0486.C7C29F2A@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:39:35 -0500 From: jeff kiyoi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755cx OS upgrade (or I H8 EZ SERV) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all. Well, the EZ Serve techs and I are on a first name basis now. This is my third time in for service in the last month. By my counts, my machine has been looked at by between seven and twelve different technicians at EZ serv including two separate "quality" assurance teams. I have had the system board and the processor card replaced, and been told on at least six separate occasions that my mouse and crash problems are all due to bad software. Finally, on the third time its been in, after registering complaints twice, I was able to have the head tech on 755 models check out my machine and lo and behold- its a bad hard drive! So my troubles are over, right? No. It seems that IBM refuses to do anything but load my new drive with factory specs, meaning win 3.1 and os/2. While I'm sure those are great systems, I don'town a single piece of hardware or software that isn't Win95 specific. So now I need to upgrade to Win95 from 3.1. I have never done this before, but remember hearing horror stories about conflicts and such.Can anyone with experience with this (I seem to remember from a long time ago someone named "Hitchhiker") drop me a line with any suggestions that might make this a little smother. Regards, Jeff elvislives@mindspring.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 19 18:58:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA089711488; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:58:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14874; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:57:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14754; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VNET.IBM.COM (vnet.ibm.com [204.146.168.194]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14743; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BOULDER by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 3350; Tue, 19 Aug 97 18:57:17 EDT Received: by BOULDER (XAGENTA 4.0) id 9141; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:55:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by a1a.boulder.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21366; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:54:36 -0600 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:54:35 -0600 (MDT) From: "Tony Apuzzo" X-Sender: apuzzo@a1a.boulder.ibm.com To: Mark J Strawcutter Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: packet driver for CC Adapter II In-Reply-To: <01IMMNC7G9IU8WW0CZ@grove.iup.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Mark J Strawcutter wrote: > I'm looking for a native packet driver for an "Ethernet Credit Card > Adapter II". Any/all pointers would be appriciated - I've poked around > www.pc.ibm.com and haven't found anything. > > If necessary, I could run NDIS (native or with packet driver on top). The > disk that came with the adapter is several years old - does anyone know if > there are newer drivers available somewhere? > > Thanks > > /mjs I've been told (but not verified) that the ETCC II is a PCMCIA NE2000 clone... I would try and see if the NE2000 packet driver works. Under Win95 it is autodetected, and I've had good luck with it using the etcc95.exe patch program that is available from http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/cgi-bin/searchftp The latest driver disk is v2.06 (etcc.exe), available from the same site, but it does not include native Win95 drivers. -Tony Disclaimer: This information is my opinion only; I am not speaking for IBM. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tony Apuzzo Voice: 303-924-1483 VM: BOULDER(APUZZO) I/T Specialist FAX: 303-924-1898 Internet: apuzzo@vnet.ibm.com IBM Global Services, bldg 26N, 5600 N 63rd Ave, Boulder, Colorado 80314 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 01:47:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148076066; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:47:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28984; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:46:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28874; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28863; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max3-ot-ca-11.earthlink.net (max3-ot-ca-11.earthlink.net [206.149.196.161]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16662 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708200545.WAA16662@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 17:50:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 32MB SO-DIMM for 701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can anyone on the list tell me of any experiances/problems, and especially pricing on 32MB SO-DIMM upgrades? I want to bring my 701 up to 40MB RAM so Warp (and Linux, when I put it on) goes faster. Also, does anyone have, or know where I can purchase a 360MB drive for a 701 (preferably with caddy) for less than $100, under $80 possibly? Also, can those who use some version of OS/2 on their 701's who upgraded to 24MB or 40MB tell me about their experiance? Thanks all, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 02:00:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151746822; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:00:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29405; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:59:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29291; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29281; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max3-ot-ca-11.earthlink.net (max3-ot-ca-11.earthlink.net [206.149.196.161]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11102; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708200559.WAA11102@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jeff kiyoi" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 22:57:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 755cx OS upgrade (or I H8 EZ SERV) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:39:35 -0500, jeff kiyoi wrote: >Hi all. Well, the EZ Serve techs and I are on a first name basis now. >This is >my third time in for service in the last month. By my counts, my >machine has >been looked at by between seven and twelve different technicians at EZ >serv including two separate "quality" assurance teams. I have had the >system board and the processor card replaced, and been told on at least >six separate occasions that my mouse and crash problems are all due to >bad >software. Finally, on the third time its been in, after registering >complaints >twice, I was able to have the head tech on 755 models check out my >machine >and lo and behold- its a bad hard drive! So my troubles are over, >right? >No. It seems that IBM refuses to do anything but load my new drive with > >factory specs, meaning win 3.1 and os/2. While I'm sure those are great > >systems, I don'town a single piece of hardware or software that isn't >Win95 specific. So now I need to upgrade to Win95 from 3.1. I have >never done this before, but remember hearing horror stories about >conflicts and such.Can anyone with experience with this (I seem to >remember from a long time ago someone named "Hitchhiker") drop me >a line with any suggestions that might make this a little smother. > >Regards, Jeff >elvislives@mindspring.com > > > I'd rather keep OS/2, but just delete Windows 3.1, if you wish. BTW, you can even have PC-DOS 6.3/Win 3.1, OS/2 Warp, and Win95 on the same partition and still boot from each. I had that on my server before, but I only had 95 on for < 1 week because I preferred Linux and OS/2. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 02:06:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152307182; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:06:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29651; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:05:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29571; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melati.singnet.com.sg (melati.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29560; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guest.telkom.go.id (PMbdg-228.centrin.net.id [202.146.253.228]) by melati.singnet.com.sg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12494 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:05:20 +0800 (SST) Message-Id: <33FA8939.24267048@post1.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:05:45 +0700 From: Alvin Tan Hong Seong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Mwave Problem X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C2986D20FE370C673E3DAE69" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C2986D20FE370C673E3DAE69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I recently bought myself a Thinkpad 760XD (great machine BTW), and installed both Win95 and Warp 4.0 in separate primary partitions. The Mwave modem works just fine in Win95, but just won't work in Warp 4.0. Dialers I use say that there is no response from the modem. I checked the Thinkpad Features and the CONFIG.SYS files and could not see anything wrong. The DOIP dialer doesn't have an entry for the 28.8 Mwave modem, so I used Other Modem, and used the default settings. Also no go. Any clues here, fellow Mwave users? Thanks! Alvin Tan --------------C2986D20FE370C673E3DAE69 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Alvin Tan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Alvin Tan n: Tan;Alvin adr: 58 Hillcrest Road;;;Singapore;;288929;Singapore email;internet: alvintan@post1.com tel;work: (65) 9 6173154 tel;home: (65) 463-1660 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------C2986D20FE370C673E3DAE69-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 02:35:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA155298945; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:35:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00703; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:33:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00611; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithsun.epfl.ch (lithsun.epfl.ch [128.178.72.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00601; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from di.epfl.ch (ballim@lithsun14.epfl.ch [128.178.72.37]) by lithsun.epfl.ch (8.8.7/8.8.0/EPFL-2.1/SERVER) with ESMTP id IAA18909 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:33:21 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: ballim@di.epfl.ch Message-Id: <33FA8FB0.6598597F@di.epfl.ch> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:33:20 +0200 From: Afzal Ballim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755 CDV problems with WIN95 References: <33FA0486.C7C29F2A@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm having two problems with Win95 on my ThinkPad. The first is that no matter what I do, the damn thing insists on recognising the floppy drive as being there, even though I almost never use the floppy. I've looked through all my obvious .ini files to see if anything is referencing A:, but have found nothing. If anyone has clues, I'd be glad for the help. The second concerns the Xircom PCMCIA Ethernet card 10/100. When I boot with this card installed I am unable to get Mwave support under DOS, even though there are no conflicts. Again, any ideas on how to track down this problem would be appreciated. -Afzal -- Afzal Ballim | Internet: ballim@di.epfl.ch Document Engineering (LITH) | X400: S=ballim;OU=di;O=epfl; EPFL, Lausanne | PRMD=switch;ADMD=400net;C=ch CH-1015 (Switzerland) | http://lithwww.epfl.ch/~ballim Phone: (+41 21) 693 52 34 | fax: (+41 21) 693 52 78 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 05:17:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA170988676; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:17:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07001; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:15:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05655; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tfwfw1.cs.postnet.se (firewall-user@[194.198.186.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05628; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tfwfw1.cs.postnet.se; id KAA06079; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:40:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from unknown(192.168.8.108) by tfwfw1.cs.postnet.se via smap (V3.1.1) id xma006076; Wed, 20 Aug 97 10:40:26 +0200 Message-Id: <33FAB316.697A@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:04:22 +0200 From: Ziemowit Jankowski Reply-To: mister_zed@geocities.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755 CDV problems with WIN95 References: <33FA0486.C7C29F2A@mindspring.com> <33FA8FB0.6598597F@di.epfl.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Afzal Ballim wrote: > > Hi, > I'm having two problems with Win95 on my ThinkPad. The first is that no matter what I do, the > damn thing insists on recognising the floppy drive as being there, even though I almost never use > the floppy. I've looked through all my obvious .ini files to see if anything is referencing A:, but > have found nothing. If anyone has clues, I'd be glad for the help. > Afzal, Win 95 does use 2 different sets of data: the .ini files and the system registry (accessed through a program called REGEDIT). There might be several causes to the behaviour you described: 1. your A:-drive might be the first one in some PATH variable in the registry 2. you might have had an open folder on A-drive before shutting down the system the hard way Cheers Ziemowit Jankowski From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 06:24:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176592689; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:24:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11968; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:22:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11880; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx02.together.net (mx02.together.net [204.97.120.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11870; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sequoia.together.net (sequoia.together.net [204.97.120.25]) by mx02.together.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01616; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:22:02 -0400 Received: from slip166-72-201-120.vt.us.ibm.net (slip166-72-201-120.vt.us.ibm.net [166.72.201.120]) by sequoia.together.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA02340; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: byellin@together.net (Bob Yellin) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: jeff kiyoi Subject: Re: 755cx OS upgrade (or I H8 EZ SERV) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:21:40 GMT Organization: * Message-Id: <33fac1fe.653384@together.net> References: <33FA0486.C7C29F2A@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <33FA0486.C7C29F2A@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Jeff, [snip] >....Win95 specific. So now I need to upgrade to Win95 from 3.1. I = have >never done this before, but remember hearing horror stories about >conflicts and such.Can anyone with experience with this (I seem to >remember from a long time ago someone named "Hitchhiker") drop me >a line with any suggestions that might make this a little smother. > >Regards, Jeff >elvislives@mindspring.com I have owned a 755cx since they first came out and have run Win95 from day one. I formatted and partitioned the drive the day I received the machine. Then I re-installed all the IBM goodies (MWave etc.) and finally, Win95. I've since gone through all the different MWave incarnations and various re-installs of Windows and am currently running Win98 (I'm a beta test site) and have had no major problems to speak of. If you need specific help let me know. By the way - does anyone know of a reliable source for a 755cx memory upgrade? I've got 16MB now and would like to upgrade to the max (40MB, I believe). Bob Yellin byellin@together.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 08:03:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA185028582; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:03:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14446; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:01:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14325; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14315; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown [207.135.132.1] by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x19SE-0004on-00; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:01:38 -0600 From: ing@mailexcite.com (Ing) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: new IBM 3G drive for sale, for thinkpad 760 and above Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:58:21 GMT Reply-To: ing@mailexcite.com Message-Id: <33fa5207.4680577@mail.xmission.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a brand new one sent by IBM as a warranty replacement for my tpad 760 2G (how nice!) drive. Don't know a fair value so send me your 'reasonable' offer. email to ing@mailexcite.com Please check out the 3G drive spec in=20 http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/options/storetp.html and double check if this will fit your thinkpad! I don't want to waste $25 for shipping.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 10:24:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201037042; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:24:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21916; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:22:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21745; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21734; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22516 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:06:28 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCAD53.26747B30@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:23:49 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: Paul Khoury Cc: jeff kiyoi , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: same partition booting - was:RE: 755cx OS upgrade (or I H8 EZ SERV) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:34:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 48 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu How did you get them all in the same partition? Or do you mean all booting as "C:" ---------- From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@earthlink.net] Sent: 1997 August 19 - Tuesday 18:57 To: jeff kiyoi; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755cx OS upgrade (or I H8 EZ SERV) On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:39:35 -0500, jeff kiyoi wrote: >Hi all. Well, the EZ Serve techs and I are on a first name basis now. >This is >my third time in for service in the last month. By my counts, my >machine has >been looked at by between seven and twelve different technicians at EZ >serv including two separate "quality" assurance teams. I have had the >system board and the processor card replaced, and been told on at least >six separate occasions that my mouse and crash problems are all due to >bad >software. Finally, on the third time its been in, after registering >complaints >twice, I was able to have the head tech on 755 models check out my >machine >and lo and behold- its a bad hard drive! So my troubles are over, >right? >No. It seems that IBM refuses to do anything but load my new drive with > >factory specs, meaning win 3.1 and os/2. While I'm sure those are great > >systems, I don'town a single piece of hardware or software that isn't >Win95 specific. So now I need to upgrade to Win95 from 3.1. I have >never done this before, but remember hearing horror stories about >conflicts and such.Can anyone with experience with this (I seem to >remember from a long time ago someone named "Hitchhiker") drop me >a line with any suggestions that might make this a little smother. > >Regards, Jeff >elvislives@mindspring.com > > > I'd rather keep OS/2, but just delete Windows 3.1, if you wish. BTW, you can even have PC-DOS 6.3/Win 3.1, OS/2 Warp, and Win95 on the same partition and still boot from each. I had that on my server before, but I only had 95 on for < 1 week because I preferred Linux and OS/2. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 11:00:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA206859242; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:00:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24555; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:59:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24369; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from znet.com (sdts1-19.znet.com [207.167.64.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24339; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jmarnold@localhost) by znet.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA00591; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:57:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:57:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199708201457.HAA00591@znet.com> From: "Jeffrey M. Arnold" To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: 32MB SO-DIMM for 701 In-Reply-To: <199708200545.WAA16662@norway.it.earthlink.net> References: <199708200545.WAA16662@norway.it.earthlink.net> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Two weeks ago I bought a 32M DIMM from The Chip Merchant here in San Diego for $305 (I've heard there are better prices, but I needed it in a hurry, and with the UPS strike they were the most convenient). That brought my machine from 16MB to 40MB. I run Linux 2.0.30 on one 720MB disk, and just loaded NT 4.0 on another. Linux, of course, runs significantly better; I can edit-compile-debug Common Lisp code within emacs under X without paging, which is a big win. And I wouldn't even have considered running NT before. I don't run OS/2, so I can't help you there. -jeff "Paul Khoury" writes: > Can anyone on the list tell me of any experiances/problems, > and especially pricing on 32MB SO-DIMM upgrades? I want > to bring my 701 up to 40MB RAM so Warp (and Linux, when I > put it on) goes faster. Also, does anyone have, or know where > I can purchase a 360MB drive for a 701 (preferably with caddy) > for less than $100, under $80 possibly? > > Also, can those who use some version of OS/2 on their 701's > who upgraded to 24MB or 40MB tell me about their experiance? > > Thanks all, > > Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 12:05:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA216703153; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:05:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28989; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:01:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28802; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28789; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max3-ot-ca-20.earthlink.net (max3-ot-ca-20.earthlink.net [206.149.196.170]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11254; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708201601.JAA11254@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "TROTTIER, Tom" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 08:59:08 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: same partition booting Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:34:09 -0400, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: >How did you get them all in the same partition? Or do you mean all booting as "C:" > >---------- Okay, this is sort of complicated, so I recommend a whole day if anyone does this. And if it doesn't work, don't blame me (disclaimer!). First install PC-DOS 6.3, then Windows 3.11, then Windows 95, which will ask if you wish to preserve your DOS/Win3.11, and then OS/2 Warp (3.0 recomended), then Windows NT 4.0. Someday, I'll get all this done on a clone machine to make sure it all works okay. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 12:34:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221664855; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:34:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01115; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:30:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00638; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00567; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248]) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id JAA29899; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00015AB4; Wed, 20 Aug 97 09:31:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:31:28 -0700 Message-Id: <00015AB4.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) To: "ThinkPad List" , "Paul Khoury" Subject: Re[2]: 32MB SO-DIMM for 701 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.596490278" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.596490278 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Upgrading the 701's memory is no big deal. Just plug the so-dimm and go. a lot less paging to the hard drive. Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: 32MB SO-DIMM for 701 Author: "Paul Khoury" at Internet Date: 8/19/97 5:50 PM Can anyone on the list tell me of any experiances/problems, and especially pricing on 32MB SO-DIMM upgrades? I want to bring my 701 up to 40MB RAM so Warp (and Linux, when I put it on) goes faster. Also, does anyone have, or know where I can purchase a 360MB drive for a 701 (preferably with caddy) for less than $100, under $80 possibly? Also, can those who use some version of OS/2 on their 701's who upgraded to 24MB or 40MB tell me about their experiance? Thanks all, Paul --IMA.Boundary.596490278 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail-oak-3.pilot.net (198.232.147.18) by ima.jud.ca.gov with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 000159B2; Tue, 19 Aug 97 22:49:53 -0700 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mail-oak-3.pilot.net with ESMTP id WAA20324 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28994; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:46:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28874; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28863; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max3-ot-ca-11.earthlink.net (max3-ot-ca-11.earthlink.net [206.149.196.161]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16662 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708200545.WAA16662@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 17:50:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 32MB SO-DIMM for 701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.596490278-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 12:42:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA222655371; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:42:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01527; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:40:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01392; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de (uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.8.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01350; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from discworld.beuel.rhein.de (root@[193.174.6.194]) by uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de (8.8.5/8.8.5-ws3) with ESMTP id SAA07574 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:40:01 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de: Host root@[193.174.6.194] claimed to be discworld.beuel.rhein.de Received: by discworld.beuel.rhein.de id m0x1Dna-000Qi8C (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:39:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <19970820183956.56249@beuel.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:39:56 +0200 From: Hanno Wagner To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP755CD and the Video Capture... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=lVJffcvxoiEqYs2K X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 X-Disclaimer1: Eine weitere Verwendung oder die Veroeffentlichung X-Disclaimer2: dieser Mail oder dieser Mailadresse ist nur mit der X-Disclaimer3: Einwilligung des Autors gestattet. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --lVJffcvxoiEqYs2K Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello, I have a TP 755CD and I am trying to get the Video Input working. From IBM Software Site I got the Video Capturer V7320 Driver. Win95 tells me that this one is also installed. Next I got Cu-Seeme from the site to test it - (I have a Sony Handycam, the little digital one with S-VHS Output which I put into the Video Input) - but CU-Seeme told me about an error. Okay I thought, maybe another program... I took one from www.windows95.com - but this one also wasn't able to access the driver port correctly. Has anyone tried to use the video port and it was a success under Win95? Ciao, Hanno -- | Hanno Wagner | Member of the HTML Writers Guild | Rince@IRC | | pgp-fingerprint: 7D C1 01 72 75 22 01 4F 6F 08 06 49 1B 02 4A A6 | | 74 a3 53 cc 0b 19 - we did it! | Famous last word: "Let this Alien Queen come in. We'll roast her with our flamers...What do you mean 'no oxygen in the atmosphere' ?" --lVJffcvxoiEqYs2K Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i iQCVAwUBM/qtWokABLrCbuiRAQEinwP+Mkl6p5neOB7KfYU4MG0JBQlL8VxEb4sB aX4vv5G2U/d1JZqW2fznIO3MmAhFNsHVkVcQ6Wt+jL18c3L+hHj+2xnKPIAOsdIC hpRPaX+NjQr531lliBNWOvG9Ap1enGDAer/HwCUWJ0/FQrCx2QLVo9JNqS+NV6Js Kd5ChfdBuoI= =gE8H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lVJffcvxoiEqYs2K-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 13:23:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229467791; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:23:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03664; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:19:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03473; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edam.direct.ca (edam.direct.ca [199.60.229.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03462; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirion (van-as-08a12.direct.ca [204.174.249.156]) by edam.direct.ca (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA11639; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708201719.KAA11639@edam.direct.ca> From: "Dayle Riddoch" To: "Alvin Tan Hong Seong" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 10:14:15 -0800 Reply-To: "Dayle Riddoch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Mwave Problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Did you start the Mwave modem under OS/2? Under Win95 it is started automatically, but under OS/2 you must start it manually or put it into the startup folder. The icon is in the Mwave for OS/2 folder. I get that error message when I forget to start it. Dayle Riddoch On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:05:45 +0700, Alvin Tan Hong Seong wrote: >Hello, > >I recently bought myself a Thinkpad 760XD (great machine BTW), and >installed both Win95 and Warp 4.0 in separate primary partitions. > >The Mwave modem works just fine in Win95, but just won't work in Warp >4.0. Dialers I use say that there is no response from the modem. I >checked the Thinkpad Features and the CONFIG.SYS files and could not see >anything wrong. > >The DOIP dialer doesn't have an entry for the 28.8 Mwave modem, so I >used Other Modem, and used the default settings. Also no go. > >Any clues here, fellow Mwave users? > >Thanks! >Alvin Tan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dayle Riddoch driddoch@direct.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 14:36:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242092188; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:36:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08488; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:33:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08266; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08255; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA13733; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10978; Wed, 20 Aug 97 14:40:38 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA20700; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:40:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:40:37 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Re[2]: 32MB SO-DIMM for 701 In-Reply-To: <00015AB4.1225@jud.ca.gov> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Mitchell Yee wrote: > Upgrading the 701's memory is no big deal. Just > plug the so-dimm and go. a lot less paging > to the hard drive. Be careful with the cover. It latches on with two tabs that are very easy to break off while opening (or closing). I broke mine but fortunately my next EZServ involved replacing the entire outer casing. I don't know what IBM would charge for just the cover. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 15:45:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA254166323; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:45:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11745; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:44:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11654; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11644; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool007-max4.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool007-max4.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.7]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA23124; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708201944.MAA23124@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "ELKS List" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 11:34:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: temporarily unsubscribing Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am temporarily unsubscribing because Earthlink support has a problem I need to deal with, so I may log on with another provider. Thanks, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 16:54:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA266040477; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:54:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15723; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:49:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15580; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15570; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xena (ppp-207-214-211-34.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.211.34]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id NAA28186 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33FB5732.AE39F3A8@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:44:34 -0700 From: Richard Hamel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: IBM's tillamook offerings X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know any specific details about IBM's new laptop's being released in Sept. offering Intel's Tillamook chip? Thanks, Richard Hamel From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 18:32:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280546366; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:32:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21238; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:31:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21048; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20982; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc596617-a.avnl1.nj.home.com ([24.3.133.2]) by ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA26041 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:31:04 -0700 Message-Id: <33FB7069.302D11FB@home.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:32:09 -0400 From: Michael Bernstein Reply-To: mbernste@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-AtHome0401 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760ED TV Out Problem X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have a little problem with my TV out display on my 760ED. What happens is when I press Fn+F7 I see the display on the TV for about 2 seconds and then the screen goes black. I had the tech at IBM stumped. Anyone know what might be doing it? I am running Direct X drivers (the ones someone on here suggested that I use for the 760) and have had no problems until a couple of days ago. The only new software that I installed was Red Alert, but I did *not* install the Direct X drivers when it asked me, so no system (driver wise) changes were done. I also installed a Megahertz Ethernet PCMCIA card, but I don't see how that would cause my problem. Card is on IRQ 9 and video is on IRQ 11. Barring, a complete reinstall of the system, does anyone have any ideas what I could try? I am running Win 95 (A version). I tried removing the card as well as rebooting and had no luck. I have been able to output to this specific TV in the past and even played Direct X games on this TV (i.e. Battleship). While my $6,000 laptop is not for games, it is the only Pentium PC that I own, so I do use it for that (among other things). Thanks in advance for any help, Mike Bernstein (mbernste@home.com) http://members.home.net/mbernste From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 21:32:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004437136; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:32:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26534; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:31:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26441; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26427; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (ask611@leonard.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.15]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23259; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:30:53 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) id LAA25789; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:30:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:30:44 +1000 (EST) To: Michael Bernstein Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED TV Out Problem In-Reply-To: <33FB7069.302D11FB@home.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Michael Bernstein wrote: > Hi, > I have a little problem with my TV out display on my 760ED. What > happens is when I press Fn+F7 I see the display on the TV for about 2 > seconds and then the screen goes black. I had the tech at IBM stumped. > Anyone know what might be doing it? I am running Direct X drivers (the have you tried just holding the fn+f7 key down longer? i had a problem a couple of years ago in a lecture theater when i could not get the external monitor (in this case a rgb projector) to work. i found i needed to hold the keys down longer, or at least not to try to cycle through so fast when it did not come up immediately. doesn't sound quite the same as your problem, but ... who knows. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 649 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 20 22:39:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA013081167; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:39:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28271; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:38:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28188; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais2.cais.com (cais2.cais.com [199.0.216.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28178; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais2.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA24798; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:37:54 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Richard Hamel Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: IBM's tillamook offerings In-Reply-To: <33FB5732.AE39F3A8@pacbell.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ok, I'll byte: what is Intel's Tillamook chip. I searched Intel's web site and found zip. Thanks. On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Richard Hamel wrote: > Does anyone know any specific details about IBM's new laptop's being > released in Sept. offering Intel's Tillamook chip? > > > Thanks, > > > Richard Hamel > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 00:24:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028377473; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:24:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01725; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:23:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01637; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01581; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip170.dallas2.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.199.170]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA20050 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970821032036.242fb020@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: cyberwiz@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:20:36 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Shawn Christian Subject: Thinkpad 755Cs Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just bought a IBM Thinkpad 755Cs used. It only came with the Type I docking station, no manuals, no software, no power adapter. The only thing on the hard drive is the bare essentials to just boot up with. I also have the docking station which I need for power (battery will not hold charge). I am wondering where or if I could get a copy of all the thinkpad specific drivers/software/etc. I tried getting the missing software/manuals from IBM but they just gave me the usual run-around I always get with every other thing i need drivers or a disk for. The system configuration of the Thinkpad 755Cs is 486dx 33mhz, 4mb ram, 163 mb HD, 2.88 FDD. I went through the IBM web pages looking for some stuff for it but only came up with a hand full of files and none are what i need. If i could get a set of the original disks it would sure help. Being a student and seeing this laptop for $500 I jumped on the opportunity to get it. Unfortunatly the used computer store where i bought it had none of the missing items, and the computer service company where I work did not have anything that could help me out. I just want to be able to get it at a factory setup on the hard drive and then i will use my zip drive for more storage. If anyone could send me a copy of the disks compressed with pkzip for dos with the command line to the effect of... PKZIP -EX -R -P TP-DISK1.zip A:\*.* and what the label of each disk said so i can make a set. Thanks! -- Shawn Christian (Cyberwiz) E-Mail: cyberwiz@mindspring.com Web Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~cyberwiz/index.htm Pascal and C++ Programer/Internet and Computer Junkie :-) Quotes: ------- "Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstien "A feature is a bug with Seniority." - a programing nerd "Don't you just hate it when they fix your favorite feature?" - a programming nerd "In some alternate universe I am the norm, not the nerd." - a nerd "For programmers, Insomnia isn't a problem, it's a requirement." - a programmer "Real programmers don't document; if it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand" - a programmer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 01:18:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA035470685; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:18:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02807; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:17:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02727; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02717; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unkle.uplanet.com (host-166-202.uplanet.com [204.163.166.202]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA03587 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970820220902.00833100@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:09:02 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jesse Montrose Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755Cs In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970821032036.242fb020@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu These files are all available on ibm's web site, just be prepared to do a lot of searching to find them all, took me forever last time. At 11:20 PM 8/20/97 -0400, Shawn Christian wrote: >I just bought a IBM Thinkpad 755Cs used. It only came with the Type I >docking station, no manuals, no software, no power adapter. The only thing >on the hard drive is the bare essentials to just boot up with. I also have >the docking station which I need for power (battery will not hold charge). >I am wondering where or if I could get a copy of all the thinkpad specific >drivers/software/etc. > >I tried getting the missing software/manuals from IBM but they just gave me >the usual run-around I always get with every other thing i need drivers or a >disk for. > >The system configuration of the Thinkpad 755Cs is 486dx 33mhz, 4mb ram, 163 >mb HD, 2.88 FDD. I went through the IBM web pages looking for some stuff >for it but only came up with a hand full of files and none are what i need. >If i could get a set of the original disks it would sure help. Being a >student and seeing this laptop for $500 I jumped on the opportunity to get >it. Unfortunatly the used computer store where i bought it had none of the >missing items, and the computer service company where I work did not have >anything that could help me out. I just want to be able to get it at a >factory setup on the hard drive and then i will use my zip drive for more >storage. > >If anyone could send me a copy of the disks compressed with pkzip for dos >with the command line to the effect of... PKZIP -EX -R -P TP-DISK1.zip >A:\*.* and what the label of each disk said so i can make a set. > >Thanks! > >-- >Shawn Christian (Cyberwiz) >E-Mail: cyberwiz@mindspring.com >Web Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~cyberwiz/index.htm >Pascal and C++ Programer/Internet and Computer Junkie :-) > >Quotes: >------- > >"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstien > >"A feature is a bug with Seniority." - a programing nerd > >"Don't you just hate it when they fix your favorite feature?" - a >programming nerd > >"In some alternate universe I am the norm, not the nerd." - a nerd > >"For programmers, Insomnia isn't a problem, it's a requirement." - a programmer > >"Real programmers don't document; if it was hard to write, it should be hard >to understand" - a programmer > > ______________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose www.spine.com "stumbo gonna suck off your face, stumbo gonna step on the human race" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 02:25:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA045794754; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 02:25:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04278; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 02:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 02:24:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04200; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 02:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mawar.singnet.com.sg (mawar.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04184; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 02:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guest.telkom.go.id (PMbdg-241.centrin.net.id [202.146.253.241]) by mawar.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20315; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:24:06 +0800 (SST) Message-Id: <33FBDF23.BD829F1F@singnet.com.sg> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:24:35 +0700 From: Alvin Tan Hong Seong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: rj Cc: Richard Hamel , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: IBM's tillamook offerings X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ok, let me have a shot at this. Intel is set to offer these things "real soon now": 1. The first of the Mobile Module laptops 2. Pentium Pro or Pentium II designed for laptops 3. 200MHz and faster Pentium MMX chips Laptops designed with Mobile Modules allow user upgrades of the CPU and other system components. The CPU comes in a small easily insertable (and removeable) module. Example, Gateway Solo. I am willing to bet that the Tillamook chip is talking about Number 3 above. Current laptops boasting 200MHz Pentium MMX are using chips designed for desktops, so they run fast and hot and short!! Ciao! Alvin Tan rj wrote: > > Ok, I'll byte: what is Intel's Tillamook chip. I searched Intel's web > site and found zip. > > Thanks. > > On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Richard Hamel wrote: > > > Does anyone know any specific details about IBM's new laptop's being > > released in Sept. offering Intel's Tillamook chip? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Richard Hamel > > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 04:13:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA055231179; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:12:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09128; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:10:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09003; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uluru.Stanford.EDU (uluru.Stanford.EDU [171.64.65.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08992; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from interran@localhost) by uluru.Stanford.EDU (8.7.6/8.7.1) id BAA21850; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708210810.BAA21850@uluru.Stanford.EDU> From: John Interrante To: hosseino@ymail.yu.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: (message from Joshua Hosseinof on Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:47:53 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Sources for ThinkPad 760 2.1GB HDDs Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Joshua Hosseinof said: > I would recommend the following: IBM DCRA-22160 2.1GB from Bason > computers $329 - 800-238-4453 or IBM DLGA-23080 3.0GB from Bason > computers $499 > Caddy for thinkpad from PS Solutions: $ not sure but most probably > under $75 - Their phone number is 972-548-8080 - They have caddies > for 355, 360, 750, 755, 760, 365, and 701. Maybe for 560 as well > but its not in the catalog. > So if you got the 2.1GB plus the caddy that gives you a grand total > of $404 plus shipping. And it's a genuine IBM hard drive. I've been educating myself about the full range of HDDs available. There are three variables: the disk manufacturer (I'm considering only IBM and Toshiba), the ready-to-plug drive manufacturer (I've found out that all of the third-party companies that were on my list really buy the disks from IBM or Toshiba and put them in caddies with their label slapped on the caddy), and the reseller (you almost always have to buy the drive from a different company like Computer Discount Warehouse or CMPExpress, not the manufacturer itself). I could buy an IBM 2.1GB HDD for as little as $426 if I cut out the drive manufacturer (buy the bare disk and the caddy separately and assemble them myself), $740 from a good-quality drive manufacturer like Sigma Data that buys IBM disks, or as much as $1100 from IBM itself via the cheapest reseller. If I go with a Toshiba MK-2101MAN 2.1GB (HDD-2616) assembled by a company like Procom Technology and sold by CMPExpress (also assembled by Simple Technology and sold by Computer Discount Warehouse), it'd cost only $520 compared to Sigma Data's $740 and not much more than assembling a genuine IBM disk myself. Has anyone EVER bought a 760 caddy from PS Solutions ($50 + shipping), bought an IBM DRCA-22160 2.1GB HDD from Bason Computers ($329 + California tax + shipping), and assembled them together? I called PS Solutions and asked the owner, Jacqueline Green, some questions. Apparently the cable, insulating plastic liner, and screws are included, the screw holes are drilled in two patterns which will line up with all HDD brands (i.e., IBM and Toshiba), and the only tool required is a screwdriver. I've got to be missing something; what's the catch? Sincerely, John Interrante From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 04:34:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056812492; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:34:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10293; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:33:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10211; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tfwfw1.cs.postnet.se (firewall-user@[194.198.186.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10200; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tfwfw1.cs.postnet.se; id JAA14286; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:59:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from unknown(192.168.8.108) by tfwfw1.cs.postnet.se via smap (V3.1.1) id xma014284; Thu, 21 Aug 97 09:59:14 +0200 Message-Id: <33FBFAF3.3815@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:23:15 +0200 From: Ziemowit Jankowski Reply-To: mister_zed@geocities.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: same partition booting References: <199708201601.JAA11254@italy.it.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:34:09 -0400, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: > > >How did you get them all in the same partition? Or do you mean all booting as "C:" > > > >---------- > Okay, this is sort of complicated, so I recommend a whole day if > anyone does this. And if it doesn't work, don't blame me (disclaimer!). > > First install PC-DOS 6.3, then Windows 3.11, then Windows 95, which will ask if you wish > to preserve your DOS/Win3.11, and then OS/2 Warp (3.0 recomended), then Windows NT 4.0. > > Someday, I'll get all this done on a clone machine to make sure it all works okay. > > Paul Paul! Well, except for the OS/2 Warp part everything works exactly the same way as you described on the clones that I've got. I believe though it is not possible to also boot Linux from the same partition (it will be the same disk, but you have to run fdisk when switching forth and back between DOS/Win16/Win32 and Linux environments). Ziemowit Jankowski From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 06:07:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA064688068; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:07:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16625; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:06:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16544; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16526; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (bp7@aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.41]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id MAA10037 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:05:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixterm1) id AA60129; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:06:17 +0200 Message-Id: <9708211006.AA60129@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> From: "Andreas Busch" To: "ThinkPad Discussion List" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 12:06:13 +0200 Reply-To: "Andreas Busch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: How do I connect my desktop and ThinkPad under OS/2 V. 4 ? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I need to copy lots of files and programs from my desktop machine to my ThinkPad 760 ED. Both machines are running under OS/2 Version 4. Since TranXit for OS/2 cannot handle long filenames, it is of no use to me (an= d I don=B4t get it running on the desktop anyway). Doing a backup on my ZIP drive and playing it back onto the ThinkPad is tedious - I would prefer to have a direct connection. Somebody once mentioned to me that I can set up a connection between bot= h machines using a LapLink cable and using Warp 4=B4s inbuilt network abilities. Since the desktop does have a netwotk card installed, I am afraid that any experimentation cuold damage the existing setup and I would no longer be able to access the net to call for help :-) Perhaps I= should mention that TCP/IP is installed on both machines. Therfore: is there anybody on this list who could give me a detailed step-by-step account of what I need to do to hook up my ThinkPad to the desktop? Will I be able to copy files with long filenames over that connection? What do I have to change in the MPTS notebook? Thanks in advance for any help! I really appreciate it. Andreas ____________________________________________________________ Dr. Andreas Busch bp7@ix.urz.uni-heidel= berg.de Universitaet Heidelberg, Institut fuer Politische Wissenschaft, Germany ____________________________________________________________ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 07:32:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070603148; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:32:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18331; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:31:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18231; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx02.together.net (mx02.together.net [204.97.120.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18212; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sequoia.together.net (sequoia.together.net [204.97.120.25]) by mx02.together.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08349 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:31:21 -0400 Received: from slip166-72-201-99.vt.us.ibm.net (slip166-72-201-99.vt.us.ibm.net [166.72.201.99]) by sequoia.together.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA15567 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:31:19 -0400 (EDT) From: byellin@together.net (Bob Yellin) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755CX Memory Upgrade Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:31:01 GMT Organization: * Message-Id: <33ff26f3.5348224@together.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Folks, I'd like to upgrade my 755CX from 16MB to the max allowable (40 Mb, I believe). I need some advice. 1. I guess I'll have to chuck (or sell) the 8 MB IC DRAM and add 32 Mb to the on-board 8MB...correct? 2. Can anyone comment on the advantages (disadvantages of the options (DIMM adapter plus two 16MB DIMMS) vs. credit card memory, etc. 3. Are there any other options? 4. Reliable sources and best prices? Any help will be much appreciated. Bob Yellin byellin@together.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 08:22:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA075176122; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:22:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20072; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:21:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19989; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19973; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11785 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1997 12:21:06 -0000 Received: from hezron-29.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.159) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1997 12:21:06 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM's tillamook offerings Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:18:38 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <33fce593.15788807@smtp.enteract.com> References: <33FBDF23.BD829F1F@singnet.com.sg> In-Reply-To: <33FBDF23.BD829F1F@singnet.com.sg> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:24:35 +0700, you wrote: >Ok, let me have a shot at this. > >Intel is set to offer these things "real soon now": >1. The first of the Mobile Module laptops >2. Pentium Pro or Pentium II designed for laptops >3. 200MHz and faster Pentium MMX chips > >Laptops designed with Mobile Modules allow user upgrades of the CPU and >other system components. The CPU comes in a small easily insertable >(and removeable) module. Example, Gateway Solo. This is a common mistake. The Mobile Module is *not* for user upgrades, it's so manufacturers can release a faster chip without a lot of retooling or a complete redesign of their models. Currently, when Intel releases a new chip, it's back to the drawing board for all of their customers. So far, every company releasing a notebook using this design has been non-commital about performing upgrades for customers, or making them available (Gateway's 9100 uses it, and they've said no upgrades). While I'm sure 3rd party developer's will come up with something, it remains to be seen if any of the laptop makers will encourage this, as it's definitely going to cut in to sales of future models. epbrown |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown=20 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 09:31:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA083410285; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:31:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22807; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:30:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22709; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22691; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu by vixen.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id JAA12265; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:30:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199708211330.JAA12265@vixen.cs.utk.edu> To: NASA LaRC Postmaster Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unsubscribe j.c.otto@larc.nasa.gov In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:43:34 -0400. Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:30:18 -0400 From: Judi Theg Talley Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Done! NASA LaRC Postmaster spoke thusly: > unsubscribe j.c.otto@larc.nasa.gov > end > > Please unsubscribe this e-mail address if this is a not a list > server system. > > Postmaser@LaRC (d.g.pifer@larc.nasa.gov) > __________________________________________________ > > LaRC E-Mail Post Office Postmaster > postmaster@larc.nasa.gov > NASA Langley Research Center > > __________________________________________________ > Judi --- Judi Theg Talley Parttime Postmaster and Maillist maintainer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 09:56:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA086151809; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:56:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24500; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:55:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24328; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com (dogmead.excelsior.com [198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24306; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA09191; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:54:58 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199708211354.JAA09191@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: Sources for ThinkPad 760 2.1GB HDDs To: interran@uluru.Stanford.EDU (John Interrante) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hosseino@ymail.yu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199708210810.BAA21850@uluru.Stanford.EDU> from "John Interrante" at Aug 21, 97 01:10:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > I would recommend the following: IBM DCRA-22160 2.1GB from Bason > > computers $329 - 800-238-4453 or IBM DLGA-23080 3.0GB from Bason > > computers $499 > > > Caddy for thinkpad from PS Solutions: $ not sure but most probably > > under $75 - Their phone number is 972-548-8080 - They have caddies > > for 355, 360, 750, 755, 760, 365, and 701. Maybe for 560 as well > > but its not in the catalog. > > > So if you got the 2.1GB plus the caddy that gives you a grand total > > of $404 plus shipping. And it's a genuine IBM hard drive. > > Has anyone EVER bought a 760 caddy from PS Solutions ($50 + shipping), > bought an IBM DRCA-22160 2.1GB HDD from Bason Computers ($329 + > California tax + shipping), and assembled them together? I called PS > Solutions and asked the owner, Jacqueline Green, some questions. > Apparently the cable, insulating plastic liner, and screws are > included, the screw holes are drilled in two patterns which will line > up with all HDD brands (i.e., IBM and Toshiba), and the only tool > required is a screwdriver. I've got to be missing something; what's > the catch? Yes, I've bought about 5 caddies from PS Solutions and put various IBM-made 2.5" 12mm drives in them, and used them in a 750P, 760C and a 760E. I found the PS Solutions folks to be really good to deal with. I've never dealt with Bason; also, the 2 gig drive I have is a DTNA-22160, rather than a DRCA-22160. Can't say as I see the difference after a quick scan of the specs pages at www.storage.ibm.com, though. There are some details to get straight with making sure the drive is properly jumpered, but that's about it. The original version of the caddy made by PS SOlutions didn't fit properly in the thin 760 models, but that problem was subsequently fixed. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 10:08:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087422496; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:08:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25126; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:07:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25053; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sisyphus.cs.kun.nl (sisyphus.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25042; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas by sisyphus.cs.kun.nl via atlas.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.42] with SMTP for id QAA04916 (8.8.4/4.0); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:07:33 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: mauricek@cs.kun.nl Message-Id: <33FC4BA5.446B9B3D@cs.kun.nl> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:07:33 +0200 From: Maurice klein Gebbinck Organization: University of Nijmegen, Computing Science Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: PS Solutions (was Re: Sources for ThinkPad 760 2.1GB HDDs) References: <199708211354.JAA09191@dogmead.excelsior.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Someone wrote: > > > Caddy for thinkpad from PS Solutions: $ not sure but most probably > > > under $75 - Their phone number is 972-548-8080 - They have caddies > > > for 355, 360, 750, 755, 760, 365, and 701. Maybe for 560 as well > > > but its not in the catalog. Do they have a WWW-page as well? I don't believe it's http://www.pssolutions.com/ -- Maurice klein Gebbinck University of Nijmegen, Computing Science Institute Toernooiveld 1, 6525 ED Nijmegen, The Netherlands Phone +31 24 3652710, Fax +31 24 3553450 http://www.cs.kun.nl/~mauricek From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 10:20:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088533248; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:20:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25714; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:19:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25591; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25580; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19858; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:19:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19854; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:19:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970821101846.009cf100@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:18:46 -0400 To: Shawn Christian From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755Cs Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970821032036.242fb020@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:20 PM 8/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >I am wondering where or if I could get a copy of all the thinkpad specific >drivers/software/etc. > http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support?page=profile and http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/support/tps/dskt3.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 10:34:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA090444044; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:34:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26562; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:32:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26399; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26366; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21031; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:32:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21020; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:32:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970821103137.009c96b0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:31:37 -0400 To: Richard Hamel From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: IBM's tillamook offerings Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" "" In-Reply-To: <33FBDF23.BD829F1F@singnet.com.sg> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Richard Hamel wrote: > > Does anyone know any specific details about IBM's new laptop's being > released in Sept. offering Intel's Tillamook chip? > Anyone that knows anything about any future releases from IBM is under NDA and can't talk about it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 10:36:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA091024206; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:36:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26813; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:35:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26711; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26689; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21445; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:35:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21437; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:35:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970821103514.00932c10@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:35:14 -0400 To: Richard Hamel From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: IBM's tillamook offerings Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Richard Hamel wrote: > > Does anyone know any specific details about IBM's new laptop's being > released in Sept. offering Intel's Tillamook chip? > Anyone that knows anything about any future releases from IBM is under NDA and can't talk about it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 12:03:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103789379; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:02:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00931; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:00:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00746; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAB00728; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-10.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-10.earthlink.net [206.149.201.35]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24618 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708211600.JAA24618@iceland.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 08:58:31 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 355 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone here have, or have dealt with the 355? I need some of the original preload stuff, such as the onle manual. Anyone leads or help is appreciated, as IBM's web site does NOT have it. Thanks, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 12:21:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA106290503; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:21:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02306; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:20:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02132; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02117; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20162 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22040; Thu, 21 Aug 97 12:27:16 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA29205 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:27:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: IBM's tillamook offerings In-Reply-To: <33FBDF23.BD829F1F@singnet.com.sg> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Alvin Tan Hong Seong wrote: > > Current laptops boasting 200MHz Pentium MMX are using chips > designed for desktops, so they run fast and hot and short!! The chip which runs twice as fast, lasts half as long? :) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 12:46:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110071973; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:46:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03822; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:45:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03742; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03730; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xena (ppp-206-170-24-84.sntc01.pacbell.net [206.170.24.84]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id JAA02709; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33FC6F56.80517120@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:39:50 -0700 From: Richard Hamel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Alvin Tan Hong Seong Cc: rj , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: IBM's tillamook offerings X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33FBDF23.BD829F1F@singnet.com.sg> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D1AE20000CDBBBAAF35E1971" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --------------D1AE20000CDBBBAAF35E1971 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually it's number 2. Intel's tillamook chipset is 200 and 233 low voltage pentium II chip. There is an article about that and IBM's newest 760 (14.1" screen, etc..) and other vendors on http:\\www.infoworld.com . (hopefully the newest 760 is a better offering than the X series). Wanted to find out if the 560 would be configured with this. Richard Alvin Tan Hong Seong wrote: > Ok, let me have a shot at this. > > Intel is set to offer these things "real soon now": > 1. The first of the Mobile Module laptops > 2. Pentium Pro or Pentium II designed for laptops > 3. 200MHz and faster Pentium MMX chips > > Laptops designed with Mobile Modules allow user upgrades of the CPU > and > other system components. The CPU comes in a small easily insertable > (and removeable) module. Example, Gateway Solo. > > I am willing to bet that the Tillamook chip is talking about Number 3 > above. Current laptops boasting 200MHz Pentium MMX are using chips > designed for desktops, so they run fast and hot and short!! > > Ciao! > Alvin Tan > > rj wrote: > > > > Ok, I'll byte: what is Intel's Tillamook chip. I searched Intel's > web > > site and found zip. > > > > Thanks. > > > > On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Richard Hamel wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know any specific details about IBM's new laptop's > being > > > released in Sept. offering Intel's Tillamook chip? > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Richard Hamel > > > > > > > > > --------------D1AE20000CDBBBAAF35E1971 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually it's number 2.  Intel's tillamook chipset is  200 and 233 low voltage pentium II chip.  There is an article about that and IBM's newest 760 (14.1" screen, etc..) and other vendors on http:\\www.infoworld.com .  (hopefully the newest 760 is a better offering than the X series).  Wanted to find out if the 560 would be configured with this.

Richard
 

Alvin Tan Hong Seong wrote:

Ok, let me have a shot at this.

Intel is set to offer these things "real soon now":
1. The first of the Mobile Module laptops
2. Pentium Pro or Pentium II designed for laptops
3. 200MHz and faster Pentium MMX chips

Laptops designed with Mobile Modules allow user upgrades of the CPU and
other system components.  The CPU comes in a small easily insertable
(and removeable) module.  Example, Gateway Solo.

I am willing to bet that the Tillamook chip is talking about Number 3
above.  Current laptops boasting 200MHz Pentium MMX are using chips
designed for desktops, so they run fast and hot and short!!

Ciao!
Alvin Tan

rj wrote:
>
> Ok, I'll byte: what is Intel's Tillamook chip. I searched Intel's web
> site and found zip.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Richard Hamel wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know any specific details about IBM's new laptop's being
> > released in Sept. offering Intel's Tillamook chip?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Richard Hamel
> >
> >
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   --------------D1AE20000CDBBBAAF35E1971-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 17:59:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA159700795; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:59:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19027; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:58:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18937; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gouda.direct.ca (root@gouda.direct.ca [199.60.229.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18927; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirion (van-as-12b14.direct.ca [204.174.245.174]) by gouda.direct.ca (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id OAA01278 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708212158.OAA01278@gouda.direct.ca> From: "Dayle Riddoch" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 14:30:42 -0800 Reply-To: "Dayle Riddoch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Troubles with 1.2.16 for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I use 1.2.16 and don't seem to have the same problems as you. For the first question, what was the entire message line? Was it: scp: dl/news.sou: No such file or directory If so, it is not a problem with the local directory. If you want to download multiple files, the usage is usage: scp [-p] f1 f2; or: scp [-pr] f1 ... fn directory and OS/2 cmd.exe doesn't expand wildcards so you can do something like this: scp host:dir/* . For the alias question, most unix's provide a method to bypass aliases. I tried '\' (backslash) and it worked for me. To do your delete try: ssh host \rm files I noticed the use of the cdd command. What OS/2 shell are you using? It may play a role. Dayle Riddoch On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:13:03 +0200, Anssi Saari wrote: >I recently moved to 1.2.16 from 1.2.13-02. It seems however that >1.2.16 has problems 1.2.13-02 does not. For example, I have this >simple script I use to grab mail from a Unix host: > >ssh kaarne pack_news >cdd g:\mail >scp kaarne:dl/news.sou . >ssh kaarne rm dl/news.sou > >The scp fails with ": No such file or directory". It seems a local >directory can't be given at all as a parameter! A local file works, >but what if I want to download more than one file? > >The latter ssh with the rm fails also, because I have aliased rm to rm >-i and ssh can't seem to take any input from the keyboard. > >I went back to 1.2.13-02. At least these things work there, except I >can't specify a drive letter for scp in the local directory. > >-- >Anssi Saari - as@tut.fi > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dayle Riddoch driddoch@direct.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 18:01:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA159950897; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:01:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19224; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:00:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19089; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edam.direct.ca (edam.direct.ca [199.60.229.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19079; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirion (van-as-12b14.direct.ca [204.174.245.174]) by edam.direct.ca (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA15127 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708212200.PAA15127@edam.direct.ca> From: "Dayle Riddoch" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 14:55:27 -0800 Reply-To: "Dayle Riddoch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Sorry about the ssh post, wrong alias. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dayle Riddoch driddoch@direct.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 18:02:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA160040924; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:02:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19299; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:01:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19139; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rho.ben2.ucla.edu (rho.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19117; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tau.ben2.ucla.edu (tau.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.32]) by rho.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA29354 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:00:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:00:53 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD FORREST URENDA Subject: linux on a thinkpad 750 (help with X) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello all, I have a thinkpad 750 with 8mb of ram and I am installing linux on it. I ran into a snag with the XF86Config file for xfree 3.3. If anyone else is using linux (i'm using debian) i would greatly appreciate any help (send me you XF86Config file please!). Also any snags that you have run into using linux on a thinkpag 750 (apm, floppy, etc.) Thanks in advance, Eddie Urenda From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 19:09:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA170344969; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:09:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21410; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:04:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21218; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21202; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05427; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:15:24 -0600 Message-Id: <33FCCA98.A4C0CE8@wwsi.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:09:12 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: EDWARD FORREST URENDA Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: linux on a thinkpad 750 (help with X) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You may want to check our web page with some of this information: http://www.wwsi.com/linux-tp.html While there isn't a 750 listed, you may get useful information from the resources that are there. -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 19:44:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA175807069; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:44:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22421; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:42:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22300; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gauss.ee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22290; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by gauss.ee.calpoly.edu (8.8.5/ELEE) with SMTP id QAA13670; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970821164130.00698180@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:41:30 -0700 To: EDWARD FORREST URENDA , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Re: linux on a thinkpad 750 (help with X) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html -Mike At 03:00 PM 8/21/97 -0700, EDWARD FORREST URENDA wrote: >Hello all, > >I have a thinkpad 750 with 8mb of ram and I am installing linux on it. >I ran into a snag with the XF86Config file for xfree 3.3. > >If anyone else is using linux (i'm using debian) i would greatly >appreciate any help (send me you XF86Config file please!). > >Also any snags that you have run into using linux on a thinkpag 750 >(apm, floppy, etc.) > >Thanks in advance, > >Eddie Urenda > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 20:38:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA182270310; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:38:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24095; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:36:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23957; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unexexch.unex.ucla.edu (exchange.unex.ucla.edu [128.97.115.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23917; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708220035.UAA23917@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by exchange.unex.ucla.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:31:39 -0700 From: "Swartz, Charles" To: ThinkPad Newsgroup Subject: IBM TV Tuner Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:33:00 -0700 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Onsale is offering the following TV Tuner that fits into the floppy diskette drive: "IBM Tuner for Thinkpad 750/755 (TFT Models) The TV Tuner module (P/N 66G3689) slips into the removable diskette drive bay. It allows the user to hook up and external video source, such as TV cable, VCR, Laserdisc, etc., and view it on the active matrix color LCD of the TP 750C/755C, as if on a TV screen. The TV Tuner is only available for the 750C/755C models because the active matrix screen is the only LCD technology fast enough to keep up with full-motion video. The monochrome and passive matrix screens would have unacceptable image quality, due to excessive "ghosting" of images. This module, coupled with the built-in speaker and audio chip (and the optional docking unit for CD-ROM and/or full-motion-video adapter), and large removable hard disk drives, makes the 750C the ideal traveling multimedia presentation system. For ultimate flexibility, there is an optional kit that allows the diskette drive to be connected externally at the same time the TV Tuner module is installed. The TV Tuner module may also be interchanged with the CDPD module. " Anyone know whether this will also work with the TP 560 Active Matrix TFT screen? Maybe this is an old IBM write-up? Thanks Charles Swartz Department of Entertainment Studies and Performing Arts UCLA Extension From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 20:58:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184801539; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:58:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24782; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:57:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24703; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melati.singnet.com.sg (melati.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24693; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guest.telkom.go.id ([202.134.0.5]) by melati.singnet.com.sg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29420; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:54:43 +0800 (SST) Message-Id: <33FCE34C.1B148702@singnet.com.sg> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:54:36 +0700 From: Alvin Tan Hong Seong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Cc: alvintan@post1.com, ThinkPad@cix.compulink.co.uk, List@cix.compulink.co.uk, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mwave Problem X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes, I did install the MWAVE DSP support. After reading all the help and useful advice, I will doing a complete reinstall this weekend. Complete meaning Warp AND MWAVE. It was a new installation anyway, so nothing lost. I've also downloaded all the latest versions from IBM Thinkpad Support site, and hopefully those would be better. Thanks again for all the help!! Alvin Tan Gerry Prosser wrote: > > In-Reply-To: <33FA8939.24267048@post1.com> > you have installed the MWave/DSP support, have you not ? And followed > the > installation instructions to the letter ? > > ========================================================================== > PostOne tip: Make new contacts, get to know other PostOne users. > Check it out at http://www.post1.com/cgi-bin/member/pshowplan > > ========================================================================== From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 21:03:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA185321805; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:03:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25114; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:01:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25029; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25001; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-b-40.usc.edu [128.125.222.40]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id SAA26200; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970821180145.0075a1c4@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:01:52 -0700 To: "Swartz, Charles" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: IBM TV Tuner Cc: ThinkPad Newsgroup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:33 PM 8/21/97 -0700, Swartz, Charles wrote: >Onsale is offering the following TV Tuner that fits into the floppy >diskette drive: > >"IBM Tuner for Thinkpad 750/755 (TFT Models) > > > The TV Tuner module (P/N 66G3689) slips into the removable diskette >drive bay. It allows the >Anyone know whether this will also work with the TP 560 Active Matrix >TFT screen? Maybe this is an old IBM write-up? Think about it for a moment: The description clearly says the TV module goes into the bay in place of the removable diskette drive. Where are you going to put it in a 560? The short answer is "No". There's no way in hell that thing will work with a 560. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 21 22:24:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA196716683; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:24:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27920; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:22:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27787; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27767; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28640 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1997 02:21:50 -0000 Received: from asahel-31.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.209) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1997 02:21:50 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM TV Tuner Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 02:19:18 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <33fcf6bc.6557542@smtp.enteract.com> References: <3.0.32.19970821180145.0075a1c4@rcf.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970821180145.0075a1c4@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:01:52 -0700, you wrote: >At 05:33 PM 8/21/97 -0700, Swartz, Charles wrote: >>Onsale is offering the following TV Tuner that fits into the floppy >>diskette drive: >> >>"IBM Tuner for Thinkpad 750/755 (TFT Models) >>Anyone know whether this will also work with the TP 560 Active Matrix >>TFT screen? Maybe this is an old IBM write-up? > > Think about it for a moment: The description clearly says the TV = module >goes into the bay in place of the removable diskette drive. Whittle's right, but I thought I'd mention that when IBM was selling the tuner, it was compatible with the 360 series as well as the 755s. There's an option. epbrown |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown=20 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 02:00:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237039656; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 02:00:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03386; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 01:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 01:58:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03287; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 01:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03276; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 01:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool044-max7.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool044-max7.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.16.119]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA13009; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708220558.WAA13009@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Swartz, Charles" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 22:55:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM TV Tuner Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:33:00 -0700, Swartz, Charles wrote: >Onsale is offering the following TV Tuner that fits into the floppy >diskette drive: > >"IBM Tuner for Thinkpad 750/755 (TFT Models) > > > The TV Tuner module (P/N 66G3689) slips into the removable diskette >drive bay. It allows the > user to hook up and external video source, such as TV cable, VCR, >Laserdisc, etc., and view it on > the active matrix color LCD of the TP 750C/755C, as if on a TV screen. >The TV Tuner is only > available for the 750C/755C models because the active matrix screen is >the only LCD technology > fast enough to keep up with full-motion video. The monochrome and >passive matrix screens would > have unacceptable image quality, due to excessive "ghosting" of images. >This module, coupled with > the built-in speaker and audio chip (and the optional docking unit for >CD-ROM and/or > full-motion-video adapter), and large removable hard disk drives, makes >the 750C the ideal > traveling multimedia presentation system. For ultimate flexibility, >there is an optional kit that allows > the diskette drive to be connected externally at the same time the TV >Tuner module is installed. > The TV Tuner module may also be interchanged with the CDPD module. " > >Anyone know whether this will also work with the TP 560 Active Matrix >TFT screen? Maybe this is an old IBM write-up? > Possibly. It was for the 355C (which I had, and wish it still worked!), 360C, and 755 TFT models. The floppy drive on those 3 were practically the same, which were high quality Teac drives. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 07:27:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272959276; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:27:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02343; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:22:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02095; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02082; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2) from localhost with smtp id ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:21:28 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:21:28 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT Requirements...? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a question which probably has been asked before... Does it make sense to run NT on a P100, 256K 2nd level cache, 32MB RAM or not? Linux is my primary OS but I also got to run W95 or NT. While I'd prefer NT I am not sure if there is a point in installing it on the above hardware. Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 08:38:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280413501; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:38:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06699; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:35:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06365; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tom.compulink.co.uk (tom.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06354; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.8.4/8.6.9) id NAA06089 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:34:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 13:33 BST-1 From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) Subject: Re: Mwave Problem To: tanalvin@singnet.com.sg Cc: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk, alvintan@post1.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <33FCE34C.1B148702@singnet.com.sg> Ok; seeing that you are outside the US, note that with the latest drivers (2.24) you do not need (and should not try to install) the World Trade DAA support diskette. Good luck. Gerry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 08:48:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA281704105; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:48:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07472; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:45:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07278; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mawar.singnet.com.sg (mawar.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07267; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guest.telkom.go.id (PMbdg-205.centrin.net.id [202.146.253.205]) by mawar.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA23108; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:44:58 +0800 (SST) Message-Id: <33FD89EA.AEF5DA94@singnet.com.sg> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:45:30 +0700 From: Alvin Tan Hong Seong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Cc: alvintan@post1.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mwave Problem X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Pardon me, but what is this World Trade DAA support diskette? I've never heard of it? What does it do? Thanks! Alvin Gerry Prosser wrote: > > In-Reply-To: <33FCE34C.1B148702@singnet.com.sg> > Ok; seeing that you are outside the US, note that with the latest > drivers > (2.24) you do not need (and should not try to install) the World Trade > DAA support diskette. Good luck. > > Gerry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 11:10:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA002392638; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:10:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18357; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:07:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18206; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18188; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08585; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:19:24 -0600 Message-Id: <33FDAC86.518E68C@wwsi.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:13:10 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Eyrich Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT Requirements...? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu NT runs fine in 32M on a P100. Maybe a little slower than Win95 OSR2, but it tends to be more stable than OSR1, at least (I haven't run OSR2 enough to tell you whether it is more stable or not). -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 15:05:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA039346712; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:05:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03038; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:59:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02720; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02710; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:56:35 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCAEF3.776C3F40@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:03:56 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCAEF3.776C3F40@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: ThinkPad Newsgroup Subject: RE: IBM TV Tuner Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:03:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just ordered one....(can't say no to toys ;-} ) Should be here in a week. ..peter ---------- From: Swartz, Charles[SMTP:CSwartz@unex.ucla.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 1997 5:33 PM To: ThinkPad Newsgroup Subject: IBM TV Tuner Onsale is offering the following TV Tuner that fits into the floppy diskette drive: "IBM Tuner for Thinkpad 750/755 (TFT Models) The TV Tuner module (P/N 66G3689) slips into the removable diskette drive bay. It allows the user to hook up and external video source, such as TV cable, VCR, Laserdisc, etc., and view it on the active matrix color LCD of the TP 750C/755C, as if on a TV screen. The TV Tuner is only available for the 750C/755C models because the active matrix screen is the only LCD technology fast enough to keep up with full-motion video. The monochrome and passive matrix screens would have unacceptable image quality, due to excessive "ghosting" of images. This module, coupled with the built-in speaker and audio chip (and the optional docking unit for CD-ROM and/or full-motion-video adapter), and large removable hard disk drives, makes the 750C the ideal traveling multimedia presentation system. For ultimate flexibility, there is an optional kit that allows the diskette drive to be connected externally at the same time the TV Tuner module is installed. The TV Tuner module may also be interchanged with the CDPD module. " Anyone know whether this will also work with the TP 560 Active Matrix TFT screen? Maybe this is an old IBM write-up? Thanks Charles Swartz Department of Entertainment Studies and Performing Arts UCLA Extension From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 17:51:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA065976707; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:51:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11079; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:49:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10961; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10951; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:46:32 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCAF0B.36462900@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:53:54 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCAF0B.36462900@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'jsmith@vines.littondsd.com'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: IBM TV Tuner Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:53:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Http://www.onsale.com usually for $49...but they just put the darn things on the front page so it might go higher Shipping was $11...depends on where you are. ..peter ---------- From: jsmith@vines.littondsd.com[SMTP:jsmith@vines.littondsd.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 1997 12:49 PM To: machule@triumf.ca Subject: RE: IBM TV Tuner Who and where is the vendor and what is the cost? jsmith@vines.littondsd.com 818-707-4344 (Voice), 818-707-4343 (FAX) ------------- Original Text From: tisol , on 8/22/97 12:03 PM: I just ordered one....(can't say no to toys ;-} ) Should be here in a week. ..peter ---------- From: Swartz, Charles[SMTP:CSwartz@unex.ucla.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 1997 5:33 PM To: ThinkPad Newsgroup Subject: IBM TV Tuner Onsale is offering the following TV Tuner that fits into the floppy diskette drive: "IBM Tuner for Thinkpad 750/755 (TFT Models) The TV Tuner module (P/N 66G3689) slips into the removable diskette drive bay. It allows the user to hook up and external video source, such as TV cable, VCR, Laserdisc, etc., and view it on the active matrix color LCD of the TP 750C/755C, as if on a TV screen. The TV Tuner is only available for the 750C/755C models because the active matrix screen is the only LCD technology fast enough to keep up with full-motion video. The monochrome and passive matrix screens would have unacceptable image quality, due to excessive "ghosting" of images. This module, coupled with the built-in speaker and audio chip (and the optional docking unit for CD-ROM and/or full-motion-video adapter), and large removable hard disk drives, makes the 750C the ideal traveling multimedia presentation system. For ultimate flexibility, there is an optional kit that allows the diskette drive to be connected externally at the same time the TV Tuner module is installed. The TV Tuner module may also be interchanged with the CDPD module. " Anyone know whether this will also work with the TP 560 Active Matrix TFT screen? Maybe this is an old IBM write-up? Thanks Charles Swartz Department of Entertainment Studies and Performing Arts UCLA Extension From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 18:03:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA068147417; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:03:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11627; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:02:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11537; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com (dogmead.excelsior.com [198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11524; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA00362; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:01:46 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199708222201.SAA00362@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: IBM TV Tuner To: machule@triumf.ca (tisol) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jsmith@vines.littondsd.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BCAF0B.36462900@sfupc.Triumf.CA> from "tisol" at Aug 22, 97 02:53:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In all the discussion about what this will work with, no-one has asked about the 760 machines. Any chance? I'm guessing not, or it would have been mentioned before, but I can't quite guess why not. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 18:20:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070708444; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:20:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12905; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:18:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12807; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12797; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:15:28 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCAF0F.41847020@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:22:51 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCAF0F.41847020@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Tim Tyhurst'" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: IBM TV Tuner Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:22:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Wait a week and we'll find out (grin) . I have both a 360Ce and a 760E . The 760E is NOT on the approved list....but IBM makes so many mistakes on their compatible lists that ............ ...peter ---------- From: Tim Tyhurst[SMTP:tim@excelsior.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 1997 11:01 AM To: tisol Cc: jsmith@vines.littondsd.com; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM TV Tuner In all the discussion about what this will work with, no-one has asked about the 760 machines. Any chance? I'm guessing not, or it would have been mentioned before, but I can't quite guess why not. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 18:42:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073729764; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:42:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13640; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:41:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13565; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13555; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tournesol (dialup-9-1.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.36.205]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id SAA04118 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970822184138.00ad44e0@jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:41:38 -0400 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Yann Nicolas Subject: Thinkpad 701C for sale. In-Reply-To: <01BCAF0B.36462900@sfupc.Triumf.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am selling my 701C. It has 24 megs of RAM and a 720 megs HD. 2 years left on the warranty. Very good condition. Offer me a price. I'll answer any question. -- Yann Nicolas Systems Administrator - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 19:18:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078531937; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:18:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14850; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:12:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14769; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14759; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tournesol (dialup-9-1.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.36.205]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id TAA04274 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970822191216.00ae1950@jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:12:16 -0400 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Yann Nicolas Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C for sale. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970822184138.00ad44e0@jrn.columbia.edu> References: <01BCAF0B.36462900@sfupc.Triumf.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I am selling my 701C. It has 24 megs of RAM and a 720 megs HD. 2 years left >on the warranty. Very good condition. > >Offer me a price. OK, I have some people asking me questions already. Here are the specs: IBM ThinkPad 701C: - 24 megs of RAM - 750 megs hard drive - 10.4" active matrix color screen - Built-in SoundBlaster compatible sound - Full-size "butterfly" keyboard - External floppy drive - Mini Docking station (VGA Out, serial, parallel and PS/2 ports) - 2 PCMCIA (PC Card) slots - Internal 14.4 Kb/s modem - Windows 95 OSR2 and Microsoft Office 97 pre-installed - Excellent condition (2 years left on the warranty) Extras: - 33.6 Kb/s Megahertz PC Card modem+cellular - Extra battery - Extra hard drive (350 megs) - Carrying case (Targus) I'll pay for shipping. Thanks. -- Yann Nicolas Systems Administrator - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 20:45:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087537120; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:45:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17687; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:42:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17595; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17584; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:39:54 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCAF23.6F5E52E0@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:47:18 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCAF23.6F5E52E0@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FOR SALE Thinkpad 170MB HD $59US Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:47:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a bunch of these. All used but OK. Will fit any 750 ,755, 360 machine. NOTE: don't fit in a 760 (well you can make them fit but....requires a lot of plastic trimming.) Caddy by itself $39 US 3rd party caddies are over $50 and ugly ;-} Disk by itself $39 US Shipping is extra but shouldn't be much over $4 Warrany ? Against DOA .... ..peter.. 604-222-7384 work and voice mail vancouver CANADA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 22 21:08:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA090378525; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:08:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18335; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:06:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18239; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netnevada.net (mail.netnevada.net [208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18222; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.218.122.20] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.0) id A73612E0126; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:04:54 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970822180302.006a5b64@mail.netnevada.net> X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:03:02 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: RE: FOR SALE Thinkpad 170MB HD $59US Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:47 PM 8/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >I have a bunch of these. >All used but OK. >Will fit any 750 ,755, 360 machine. >NOTE: don't fit in a 760 (well you can make them fit but....requires a lot of plastic trimming.) The obvious question is what size? 12mm or 19? ------------------------------------------ - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Systems Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted Messages Preffered - ------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 01:46:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA124475206; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:46:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28872; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:42:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28647; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28637; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool058-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool058-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.133]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00827 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708230542.WAA00827@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 22:40:29 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: FOR SALE Thinkpad 170MB HD $59US Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:03:02 -0700, Vernon Brooks wrote: >At 05:47 PM 8/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >>I have a bunch of these. >>All used but OK. >>Will fit any 750 ,755, 360 machine. >>NOTE: don't fit in a 760 (well you can make them fit but....requires a >lot of plastic trimming.) > >The obvious question is what size? 12mm or 19? And what model? I like reading the data sheets for fun (serious, no kidding), so I know these well. Of course, I have 2 17 (or whatever)mm drives running right now on a self-built 386DX33 running OS/2 setup, and that is the only reason I like buying these drives. But back on track, does anyone have or know where I can get some used 12.7mm drives, at least 170MB or higher, 250 prefered, and very cheap? I have some things I could trade. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 01:46:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA124515210; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:46:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28900; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:44:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28709; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28699; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool058-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool058-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.133]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16206 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708230544.WAA16206@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 22:42:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: For sale: IBM PCMCIA 16-bit Audio Adapter Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I will make offers for an IBM PCMCIA 16-bit audio adapter, or maybe trade for a hard drive and/or RAM for my 701. It has drivers for OS/2 (doesn't work too well), Windows 3.1 or >, including 95 (sorta), where it has wavetable capabilities. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 01:58:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125795888; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:58:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29856; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:53:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29785; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29761; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool058-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool058-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.133]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA23776; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708230553.WAA23776@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "mister_zed@geocities.com" Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 22:50:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: same partition booting Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:23:15 +0200, Ziemowit Jankowski wrote: >Paul Khoury wrote: >> >> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:34:09 -0400, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: >> >> >How did you get them all in the same partition? Or do you mean all booting as "C:" >> > >> >---------- >> Okay, this is sort of complicated, so I recommend a whole day if >> anyone does this. And if it doesn't work, don't blame me (disclaimer!). >> >> First install PC-DOS 6.3, then Windows 3.11, then Windows 95, which will ask if you wish >> to preserve your DOS/Win3.11, and then OS/2 Warp (3.0 recomended), then Windows NT 4.0. >> >> Someday, I'll get all this done on a clone machine to make sure it all works okay. >> >> Paul > > >Paul! > >Well, except for the OS/2 Warp part everything works exactly the same >way as you described on the clones that I've got. I believe though it >is not possible to also boot Linux from the same partition (it will be >the same disk, but you have to run fdisk when switching forth and back >between DOS/Win16/Win32 and Linux environments). > >Ziemowit Jankowski > I don't see how OS/2 won't work. And you can still use Linux with the UMSDOS fs, but it isn't supported. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 02:03:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128736238; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:03:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00304; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:03:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00232; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00219; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool058-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool058-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.133]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06756; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708230602.XAA06756@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Paul Hepworth" Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 23:00:48 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: umsdos/FAT filesystem? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:53:49 -0600, Paul Hepworth wrote: >Has anyone looked at the feasibility of using the umsdos filesystem? >Would it be as small (or smaller) than the minix filesystem? How much >worse would the performance be? > I thought of it myself, but would it be hard to port the drivers, since normally there is little support for UMSDOS fs anyways? PK From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 02:32:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA131487948; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:32:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01029; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:31:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00959; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00942; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool058-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net (pool058-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.133]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA28249 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708230631.XAA28249@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 23:28:58 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: umsdos/FAT filesystem? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry everyone, but I accidently put the wrong list from my address book, so please excuse the email with the following subject line. Regards, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 05:51:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA147809899; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 05:51:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12715; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 05:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 05:48:44 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12471; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 05:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id FAA02547; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 05:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18829; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cccpw.pw.co.contra-costa.ca.us (h206-80-46-49.ccnet.com [206.80.46.49]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id OAA07163 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33FC9D52.18BF8171@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:56:02 -0500 From: jeff kiyoi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755cx OS upgrade (or my life sucks) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33FA0486.C7C29F2A@mindspring.com> <33fac1fe.653384@together.net> <33FB07E4.3F3E4BC7@mindspring.com> <33fb24fb.25998039@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You're going to love this. I get my Thinkpad back from EZ SERV and am ready for my OS Upgrade since they gave me a new hard drive with factory specs on it. I decided to go with 3.1 to 95 upgrade disks just to be safe. So to make a long story short, the upgrade won't take and now it won't boot saying files are missng and turns itself off. So I boot using F5 to access the c drive. Keyboard freezes up. So I boot from an emergency disk. Keyboard freezes up. So now that my 755 has been in to repair 3 times with the system board replaced TWICE, the processor card replaced TWICE and and the hard drive replaced once (loosing all my software in the process) The IBM software tech assures me this is bad hardware AGAIN and NOT software. ( that's funny, I've had FOUR different EZ SERV techs assure me this is software not hardware:) So I need to contact a customer service board that takes 5 business days to get a respose from (iv'e not had the thing working for more than a month now). I no longer trust the EZ SERV department for 755 models as I had who I was told was the head tech Scott Tarbell working on my machine who (aside from not returning my messages) not even he could get it right . Someone (David?) responded to me a while ago that IBM may replace a unit afetr 4 repairs so thats what I'll be shooting for. Anyways, I'd apreciate the comments of anyone who has had experience in this area, or give me any of their experiences that I can use for ammo when I get in touch with this customer relations board. Thanks, Jeff elvislives@mindspring.com and blitzin@pacbell.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 07:28:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA156405725; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:28:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17955; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:26:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17883; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17855; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (ip217.islip.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.10.225.217]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA15833; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33FEC8DB.D2D68353@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:26:19 -0400 From: "Richard M. Poniarski" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jeff kiyoi Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755cx OS upgrade (or my life sucks) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33FA0486.C7C29F2A@mindspring.com> <33fac1fe.653384@together.net> <33FB07E4.3F3E4BC7@mindspring.com> <33fb24fb.25998039@together.net> <33FC9D52.18BF8171@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu jeff kiyoi wrote: > > You're going to love this. I get my Thinkpad back from EZ SERV and am > ready for my OS Upgrade since they gave me a new hard drive with > factory > specs on it. > I decided to go with 3.1 to 95 upgrade disks just to be safe. So to > make a long story short, the upgrade won't take and now it won't boot > saying files are missng and turns itself off. So I boot using F5 to > access the c drive. Keyboard freezes up. So I boot from an emergency > disk. Keyboard freezes up. So now that my 755 has been in to repair > 3 > times with the system board replaced TWICE, the processor card > replaced > TWICE and and the hard drive replaced once (loosing all my software in > the process) > The IBM software tech assures me this is bad hardware AGAIN and NOT > software. ( that's funny, I've had FOUR different EZ SERV techs > assure > me this is software not hardware:) So I need to contact a customer > service board that takes 5 business days to get a respose from (iv'e > not > had the thing working for more than a month now). I no longer trust > the > EZ SERV department for 755 models as I had who I was told was the head > tech Scott Tarbell > working on my machine who (aside from not returning my messages) not > even he could get it right . > Someone (David?) responded to me a while ago that IBM may replace a > unit > afetr 4 repairs so thats what I'll be shooting for. Anyways, I'd > apreciate the comments of anyone who has had experience in this area, > or > give me any of their experiences that I can use for ammo when I get in > touch with this customer relations board. > > Thanks, Jeff > elvislives@mindspring.com > and > blitzin@pacbell.net Try contacting Lyle Caldwell (caldwell@bellsouth.net). He hangs out a lot in the laptop newsgroup and has helped a lot of people resolve problems with their Thinkpad's. -- Richard M. Poniarski rponiarski@earthlink.net '95 BMW 318ti Sport The 318ti Site: http://home.earthlink.net/~rponiarski/ "If you have to ask..." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 07:50:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA158357032; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:50:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18753; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:47:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18649; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18636; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-126.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.126]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA48720; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:47:30 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970823074651.00963340@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:46:51 -0400 To: jeff kiyoi From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 755cx OS upgrade (or my life sucks) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <33FC9D52.18BF8171@mindspring.com> References: <33FA0486.C7C29F2A@mindspring.com> <33fac1fe.653384@together.net> <33FB07E4.3F3E4BC7@mindspring.com> <33fb24fb.25998039@together.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 02:56 PM 8/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >Anyways, I'd apreciate the comments of anyone who has had experience in this area, or >give me any of their experiences that I can use for ammo when I get in touch with this >customer relations board. > Have you been in touch with a guy named Lyle Caldwell? From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 23 10:11:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA170305495; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:11:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19148; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:54:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18996; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18980; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-126.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.126]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA82974; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:54:14 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970823075336.00960e50@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:53:36 -0400 To: "Richard M. Poniarski" , jeff kiyoi From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 755cx OS upgrade (or my life sucks) Cc: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <33FEC8DB.D2D68353@earthlink.net> References: <33FA0486.C7C29F2A@mindspring.com> <33fac1fe.653384@together.net> <33FB07E4.3F3E4BC7@mindspring.com> <33fb24fb.25998039@together.net> <33FC9D52.18BF8171@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:26 AM 8/23/97 -0400, you wrote: > Try contacting Lyle Caldwell (caldwell@bellsouth.net). He hangs out a >lot in the laptop newsgroup and has helped a lot of people resolve >problems with their Thinkpad's. > Oh good - I couldn't remember his e-mail address to send to Jeff! I've seen notes from a number of people who said he got their continual problems solved. I don't know what his position at EZ-Serve is, but he seems to be able to make things happen. From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 23 10:12:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA170405538; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:12:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21636; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:52:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21456; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21429; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28036 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1997 12:52:28 -0000 Received: from hezron-10.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.140) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1997 12:52:28 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: FOR SALE Thinkpad 170MB HD $59US Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:49:40 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <33ffdb97.9066373@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199708230542.WAA00827@norway.it.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <199708230542.WAA00827@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 22 Aug 97 22:40:29 , you wrote: >But back on track, does anyone have or know where I can get some used >12.7mm drives, at least 170MB or higher, 250 prefered, and very cheap? >I have some things I could trade. I'm upgrading a Thinkpad 500 for a friend, and bought a 250MB Toshiba drive (1724MAV) for $60 from a company called American Starlex (www.amstar.com). They're "new pulls," removed from new computers he's upgrading, and mine was in excellent shape. He's also selling 540MB drives for about $120, iirc. epbrown |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown=20 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 11:41:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA177680907; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:41:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25973; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:39:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25902; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultranet.com (kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com [205.246.12.253]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25892; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by ultranet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA02356 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:39:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:39:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kendall Don Chenoweth X-Sender: kendall@kendall.chenoweth.net To: IBM Thinkpad Listserv Subject: please help with thinkpad 750 and sound card Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think I have the return address configured correctly. Apologizes if this is an untrue statement. ---- Hello!! I have a thinkpad 750 and am able to use the soundcard emulation sucessfully with the games Spacedude and Wolfenstin 3D. I don't believe that I can get sound to work properly with Doom II. I am trying to get sound to work properly with Ultima VII and ultima VIII. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!!!! Kendall - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com http://www.ultranet.com/~kendall 20 Eames Street, Apt #19, Framingham, MA 01702, (508) 626-2686, 628-9283 Fidelity Investments V: (508) 787-7744, P: (800) 759-8888 (PIN #2128450) ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 14:03:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA190959380; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:03:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00197; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:00:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29952; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29939; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marie-kiyoi (ppp-206-170-28-79.wnck11.pacbell.net [206.170.28.79]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id LAA17190 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33FF24EB.6961@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:59:07 -0700 From: blitzin Reply-To: blitzin@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Lyle Caldwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu According to Scott Tarbell, Lyle Caldwell is his equal, who covers the "day shift" while Scott takes the "night" shift. I think that Lyle may have even been working on my machine. I don't know if he would be that much help, but I may send a summary of my experiences to him and see what he says. Jeff Kiyoi blitzin@pacbell.net elvislives@mindspring.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 16:18:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA205717518; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:18:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00522; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:13:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00321; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08750; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aludra.usc.edu (aludra.usc.edu [128.125.19.184]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with ESMTP id NAA21343 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sterni@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id NAA19733 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:58:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aludra.usc.edu: sterni owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "John W. Sterni" Cc: ThinkPad Newsgroup Subject: RE: IBM TV Tuner In-Reply-To: <01BCAEF3.776C3F40@sfupc.Triumf.CA> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I also hadthe urge to order one ! Hopefully i can find a way to get it to work on a 750 mono. -=john=- ----------------------------------- Signature file for John Sterni Mariah Carey fan Always and Forever http://www-scf.usc.edu/~sterni ----------------------------------- On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, tisol wrote: > I just ordered one....(can't say no to toys ;-} ) > Should be here in a week. > ..peter > > ---------- > From: Swartz, Charles[SMTP:CSwartz@unex.ucla.edu] > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 1997 5:33 PM > To: ThinkPad Newsgroup > Subject: IBM TV Tuner > > Onsale is offering the following TV Tuner that fits into the floppy > diskette drive: > > "IBM Tuner for Thinkpad 750/755 (TFT Models) > > > The TV Tuner module (P/N 66G3689) slips into the removable diskette > drive bay. It allows the > user to hook up and external video source, such as TV cable, VCR, > Laserdisc, etc., and view it on > the active matrix color LCD of the TP 750C/755C, as if on a TV screen. > The TV Tuner is only > available for the 750C/755C models because the active matrix screen is > the only LCD technology > fast enough to keep up with full-motion video. The monochrome and > passive matrix screens would > have unacceptable image quality, due to excessive "ghosting" of images. > This module, coupled with > the built-in speaker and audio chip (and the optional docking unit for > CD-ROM and/or > full-motion-video adapter), and large removable hard disk drives, makes > the 750C the ideal > traveling multimedia presentation system. For ultimate flexibility, > there is an optional kit that allows > the diskette drive to be connected externally at the same time the TV > Tuner module is installed. > The TV Tuner module may also be interchanged with the CDPD module. " > > Anyone know whether this will also work with the TP 560 Active Matrix > TFT screen? Maybe this is an old IBM write-up? > > Thanks > > Charles Swartz > Department of Entertainment Studies and Performing Arts > UCLA Extension > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 16:36:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA208058583; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:36:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01033; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:32:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00901; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix.asb.com (unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00891; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1-66.skylands.net (1-66.skylands.net [206.103.0.66]) by unix.asb.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA15196 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:39:33 -0400 (EDT) From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Queston abt 760 and floppy/cd setup Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:29:49 GMT Message-Id: <34073475.9353588@unix.asb.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm looking into a new thinkpad and the 760 sure looks good (undecided between X and E lines). I saw the floppy/cd on the 380 an am wondering about the setup on the 760. I teach and am constantly blowing away and reinstalling different OS's on my computers. Is it possible with the 760 to use the cd and sloppy at the same time and would I have to buy anything extra to do this if it is in fact possible? The retailers are quite clueless on laptop features. Thanks in advance for any help with this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 17:40:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA214672408; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:40:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02353; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:30:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02215; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02202; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-139.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.139]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA121232; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:30:32 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970823172949.0096d4e0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:29:49 -0400 To: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Queston abt 760 and floppy/cd setup Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34073475.9353588@unix.asb.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:29 PM 8/23/97 GMT, you wrote: >Is it possible with the 760 to use the cd and sloppy at >the same time and would I have to buy anything extra to do this if it is in >fact possible? > There are two possibilities: P/N 66G3696 FDD External Attachment Kit is a housing (with cable) for the floppy that comes with the TP760. Attaches to the connector above the docking connector on the back of the TP. or P/N 10H4056 701 FDD + P/N 25H4879 Dock II Adapter Kit FDD Cable. This is the floppy drive from the TP701 with a cable that fits the TP760. Attaches to the same connector as the first option. I have both and like the 701 FDD combo better. It's smaller and lighter, but IBM will not support this combo. (That doesn't really matter since it works just fine.) Either of these options will be around $125+. You can get either of them from the Boulder Parts Center at 800.388.7080 or http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/parts/ BTW, the parts from Boulder may be new or may be a refurb. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 18:57:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223107056; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:57:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04195; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:53:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04080; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04070; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ericgile (port11.netpathway.com [208.137.139.26]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01263; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:53:39 -0500 Message-Id: <33FF6A16.9BE0788D@netpathway.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:54:14 -0500 From: Eric Giles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Queston abt 760 and floppy/cd setup X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.32.19970823172949.0096d4e0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jane Loyless wrote: > > At 08:29 PM 8/23/97 GMT, you wrote: > > >Is it possible with the 760 to use the cd and sloppy at > >the same time and would I have to buy anything extra to do this if it is in > >fact possible? > > > > There are two possibilities: > > P/N 66G3696 FDD External Attachment Kit is a housing (with cable) for the > floppy that comes with the TP760. Attaches to the connector above the > docking connector on the back of the TP. > > or > > P/N 10H4056 701 FDD + P/N 25H4879 Dock II Adapter Kit FDD Cable. This is > the floppy drive from the TP701 with a cable that fits the TP760. Attaches > to the same connector as the first option. > > I have both and like the 701 FDD combo better. It's smaller and lighter, > but IBM will not support this combo. (That doesn't really matter since it > works just fine.) Either of these options will be around $125+. > > You can get either of them from the Boulder Parts Center at 800.388.7080 or > http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/parts/ > > BTW, the parts from Boulder may be new or may be a refurb. Jane, thank you so much for mentioning the Dock II FDD cable. I have been looking for months just knowing that there was a cable that would let me use my 701c FDD with my 760ED, but I was never able to find it and I guess too lazy to post a question to the list. I called IBM parts as soon as I read your post and ordered one. The price for the cable is $15.25. Thanks- Eric Giles From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 23 19:23:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA226498621; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:23:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04842; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:22:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04763; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04753; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-77.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.77]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA111308; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:22:32 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970823192151.00974100@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:21:51 -0400 To: Eric Giles From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Queston abt 760 and floppy/cd setup Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <33FF6A16.9BE0788D@netpathway.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970823172949.0096d4e0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:54 PM 8/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >Jane, thank you so much for mentioning the Dock II FDD cable. I have >been looking for months just knowing that there was a cable that would >let me use my 701c FDD with my 760ED, but I was never able to find it >and I guess too lazy to post a question to the list. I called IBM parts >as soon as I read your post and ordered one. The price for the cable is >$15.25. > You're welcome - I follow the ThinkPad forum on CompuServe, and the question of how to use both the floppy and CD-ROM at the same time is a frequent one. I don't remember exactly how much the 701 FDD is, but I know that the total is around $125-130 plus shipping and is within a few dollars of the cost of the just the housing for the 760 FDD. I leave the bigger housed FDD attached to my docking station and carry the 701 FDD with me. I really don't understand why IBM didn't include one or the other with the 760 since you'll almost certainly end up needing it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 24 00:46:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA264708010; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 00:46:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11034; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 00:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 00:43:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10959; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 00:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melati.singnet.com.sg (melati.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10949; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 00:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guest.telkom.go.id (PMbdg-175.centrin.net.id [202.146.253.175]) by melati.singnet.com.sg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04219; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:42:55 +0800 (SST) Message-Id: <33FFBBE8.C18D5EF@singnet.com.sg> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:43:20 +0700 From: Alvin Tan Hong Seong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Joseph Christie Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Queston abt 760 and floppy/cd setup X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <34073475.9353588@unix.asb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I just bought a 760XD, and it is a great machine. As for using the floppy and the CD drive together, you'll have to get the FDD EXternal housing, which plugs into the FDD port at the back of the Thinkpad. In fact, the External FDD came as standard when I bought my Thinkpad, so I had everything I needed at the start. I'm not sure if this practice is the same in the US (I'm in Singapore) Ciao! Alvin Tan Joseph Christie wrote: > > I'm looking into a new thinkpad and the 760 sure looks good (undecided > between > X and E lines). I saw the floppy/cd on the 380 an am wondering about > the setup > on the 760. I teach and am constantly blowing away and reinstalling > different > OS's on my computers. Is it possible with the 760 to use the cd and > sloppy at > the same time and would I have to buy anything extra to do this if it > is in > fact possible? > > The retailers are quite clueless on laptop features. Thanks in advance > for any > help with this. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE > http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who > it > is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I > am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 24 01:43:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271721399; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:43:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12285; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:42:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12216; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12206; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.147.133.248] by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA6662; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 05:41:43 +0000 X-Sender: john-callahan@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:44:47 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John Callahan Subject: FS: Brand new IBM 810MB Drive for 760 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a brand new IBM 810MB hard drive for an IBM ThinkPad 760 (IBM FRU P/N 29H9366) that I want to sell. I received this drive as a warranty replacement for an 810MB drive in my 760E that had a defective bearing. (I think.) IBM was most gracious in replacing the drive that had an intermittent but quite ominous noise problem. In the meantime, the drive did not fail -- thank God -- and I upgraded to a 2.1GB drive. (This was an adventure, which I will tell this group about later this week.) The drive is brand new. It has not even been formatted. I will send the buyer a copy of the shipping document I received from the IBM Maintenance Parts and Warranty Center. Price: $200 plus FedEx COD shipping. E-mail or telephone if interested. Regards, John Callahan John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research Enetrprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue, Suite 240 Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA (206) 282-7050 Fax: (206) 727-6940 World Wide Web: http://www.itr.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 24 01:55:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA273292128; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:55:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12583; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:53:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12498; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12488; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-08.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-08.earthlink.net [206.149.201.33]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA14148 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708240553.WAA14148@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 97 22:47:57 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problems with 250MB Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am having really BAD problems with my DHAA-2270 drive, which maybe someone can lend some expertise. I copied stuff from a 340MBdrive from a 755 onto it (formatted w/HPFS), and the 340 is, or at least was, FAT. I just wanted to convert to HPFS. Now, the old drive is converted, but the temp. drive won't let me access it, and besides using Linux, I don't know how I can access it. Maybe there are other advanced OS/2 users on this list who can assist me. BTW, IBM just sent this as a replacement (and a suggestion from Kathy Hyde of the Systems Storage division) last week. Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 24 02:29:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA279204146; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:29:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13388; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:28:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13319; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13309; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max3-ot-ca-06.earthlink.net (max3-ot-ca-06.earthlink.net [206.149.196.156]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24466 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708240627.XAA24466@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 97 23:25:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Online docs in .INF format Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Could anyone who has online documentation for their ThinkPad(s) send me as an attachment the online user's guide? .HLP or .INF format is okay, so I can post them on my web site, someday on a commercial server. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 24 12:09:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA034248951; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:09:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28336; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:06:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28198; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28188; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tournesol (dialup-8-9.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.36.197]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id MAA12849 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970824120603.00ace9f0@jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:06:03 -0400 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Yann Nicolas Subject: 701C sold... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My ThinkPad 701C was sold this morning. Congrats to its lucky new owner, Dan... :-) Thanks to everyone. -- Yann Nicolas Systems Administrator - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 24 14:15:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA049146543; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:15:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02260; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:12:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02045; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-a.bcc.ac.uk (mail-a.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02035; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (actually host comserv-i-56.usc.edu) by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:12:12 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970824111045.0075311c@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk> X-Sender: ucklw08@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:10:45 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: TP760 floppy/cd setup -- Adaptec SlimSCSI Alternative Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:29:49 +0000 >From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) >Subject: Queston abt 760 and floppy/cd setup > >I'm looking into a new thinkpad and the 760 sure looks good (undecided between >X and E lines). I saw the floppy/cd on the 380 an am wondering about the setup >on the 760. I teach and am constantly blowing away and reinstalling different >OS's on my computers. Is it possible with the 760 to use the cd and sloppy at >the same time and would I have to buy anything extra to do this if it is in >fact possible? Another more flexible approach is to acquire a new/used Adaptec SlimSCSI PCMCIA card, an external dual height powered SCSI box, install a SCSI CDROM in the box, and maybe put a CD-R recorder in the second bay of the dual height box. If you really need a portable CD-ROM then the IBM CD-ROM and external floppy cable & drive arrangement work well enough. But, if you really want to frequently load up alternative operating systems, work with some educational CD-ROMs at home/office, or author/review new CD-ROMs for your own personal/business use then the external CD-ROM box is a good investment. Moreover, when authoring multiple CD-ROM projects, it is often helpful to be able to insert a hard drive in both drive bays of the Thinkpad 760 (one for software/op sys and one for scratch to acquire video/audio, generate compressed MPEGs, assemble files for your CD-R, build virtual CD-R images, and burn multiple CD-Rs from virtual images). The external CD-ROM and CD-R drive SCSI box is also useful when you need to build new operating systems on other PCMCIA systems -- just plug your PCMCIA card into the new system, hook the SCSI dual CD-ROM/CD-R box to the chain, insert your active terminator at the end of the chain, and install whatever software you need on the new system. Acquiring an Adaptec SlimSCSI also facilitates backup of your Thinkpad 760 system, scratch disks, and CD-ROM projects to any company or privately owned 4mm DAT, 8mm Exabyte, or alternative inexpensive high capacity backup media. I personally own a used HP SureStore 6000e tape drive which is just perfect for backing up current generation 1-3 gigabyte hard drives. It also makes great media for sending tracks to CD-ROM master and duplication houses. The CD-R and 4mm DAT is also wonderful data interchange media for sending reasonable volumes of data (3D MRI/PET images etc) to remote colleagues. CD-R is particularly attractive for small volumes of data (up to 650 MB) because it can be shipped through the mail with no concern for damage from magnetic fields in industrial/biomedical imaging facilities or in x-ray systems. Rough costs -- used SCSI CD-ROM drive $100 (Toshiba XM-3401B), new/grey market SCSI CD-R drive $300 (Phillips CDD2000 which is accompanied by Corel CD Creator Version 2 software [excellent]), used Adaptec SlimSCSI $100 (including Adaptec EZ SCSI 3 and/or 4 drivers and backup software), used HP6000e $300, new CD-R media $3 per 650-700 MB platter, and used 90M DAT tapes (used once) $2. Also, new Panasonic DVD-ROM drives just hit the retail INTERNET marketplace at $300 each. Thinkpad 760's with MPEG-2 capability are said to be easily upgraded to SCSI DVD-ROM playback using one of the Panasonic SCSI DVD-ROM drives in an external box. I would be interested in whether anyone else has used this combination on a Thinkpad 760 (particularly on a Thinkpad 760CD). Alexander J. Annala, PhD, MSc, MIS Senior Postdoctoral Research Fellow Imaging Sciences Division Crump Institute for Biological Imaging University of California--Los Angeles From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 24 18:54:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA081373288; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:54:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15648; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:50:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15419; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15402; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-48.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-48.earthlink.net [206.149.201.73]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06086; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708242250.PAA06086@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Alexander J. Annala" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 15:48:24 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP760 floppy/cd setup -- Adaptec SlimSCSI Alternative Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:10:45 +0100, Alexander J. Annala wrote: >>Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:29:49 +0000 >>From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) >>Subject: Queston abt 760 and floppy/cd setup >> >>I'm looking into a new thinkpad and the 760 sure looks good (undecided >between >>X and E lines). I saw the floppy/cd on the 380 an am wondering about the >setup >>on the 760. I teach and am constantly blowing away and reinstalling different >>OS's on my computers. Is it possible with the 760 to use the cd and sloppy at >>the same time and would I have to buy anything extra to do this if it is in >>fact possible? > >Another more flexible approach is to acquire a new/used Adaptec >SlimSCSI PCMCIA card, an external dual height powered SCSI box, >install a SCSI CDROM in the box, and maybe put a CD-R recorder >in the second bay of the dual height box. If you really need a >portable CD-ROM then the IBM CD-ROM and external floppy cable & >drive arrangement work well enough. But, if you really want to >frequently load up alternative operating systems, work with some >educational CD-ROMs at home/office, or author/review new CD-ROMs >for your own personal/business use then the external CD-ROM box >is a good investment. Moreover, when authoring multiple CD-ROM >projects, it is often helpful to be able to insert a hard drive >in both drive bays of the Thinkpad 760 (one for software/op sys >and one for scratch to acquire video/audio, generate compressed >MPEGs, assemble files for your CD-R, build virtual CD-R images, >and burn multiple CD-Rs from virtual images). > >The external CD-ROM and CD-R drive SCSI box is also useful when >you need to build new operating systems on other PCMCIA systems >-- just plug your PCMCIA card into the new system, hook the SCSI >dual CD-ROM/CD-R box to the chain, insert your active terminator >at the end of the chain, and install whatever software you need >on the new system. > >Acquiring an Adaptec SlimSCSI also facilitates backup of your >Thinkpad 760 system, scratch disks, and CD-ROM projects to any >company or privately owned 4mm DAT, 8mm Exabyte, or alternative >inexpensive high capacity backup media. I personally own a used >HP SureStore 6000e tape drive which is just perfect for backing >up current generation 1-3 gigabyte hard drives. It also makes >great media for sending tracks to CD-ROM master and duplication >houses. The CD-R and 4mm DAT is also wonderful data interchange >media for sending reasonable volumes of data (3D MRI/PET images >etc) to remote colleagues. CD-R is particularly attractive for >small volumes of data (up to 650 MB) because it can be shipped >through the mail with no concern for damage from magnetic fields >in industrial/biomedical imaging facilities or in x-ray systems. > >Rough costs -- used SCSI CD-ROM drive $100 (Toshiba XM-3401B), >new/grey market SCSI CD-R drive $300 (Phillips CDD2000 which is >accompanied by Corel CD Creator Version 2 software [excellent]), >used Adaptec SlimSCSI $100 (including Adaptec EZ SCSI 3 and/or 4 >drivers and backup software), used HP6000e $300, new CD-R media >$3 per 650-700 MB platter, and used 90M DAT tapes (used once) $2. > Isn't a Toshiba 3401 just a 2x SCSI-2 CD-ROM? I have 2 3301's, which are 1x's and work great with my equipment, though I have yet to get a PCMCIA SCSI-2 controller. If anyone knows where I can get one for less than $60 then tell me. Also, where does one aquire 90M DAT tapes? I have a DAT drive, but never had the time to mess with it, and tapes here seem to be around $10. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 24 19:02:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA082643769; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:02:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16043; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:00:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15937; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15913; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25112; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:59:54 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:59:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List , "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Re: TP760 floppy/cd setup -- Adaptec SlimSCSI Alternative In-Reply-To: <199708242250.PAA06086@norway.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 24 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Isn't a Toshiba 3401 just a 2x SCSI-2 CD-ROM? Yes. I used to own two. > I have 2 3301's, which > are 1x's and work great with my equipment, though I have yet to get a > PCMCIA SCSI-2 controller. If anyone knows where I can get one for less > than $60 then tell me. Me too.. =) > Also, where does one aquire 90M DAT tapes? I have > a DAT drive, but never had the time to mess with it, and tapes here seem to > be around $10. I bought a bunch of DAT tapes for about $6 each, but they are usually somewhere around $10 each. Not bad for 2GB worth of storage with my DDS-1 format DAT drive. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 24 19:26:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA085265179; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:26:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16741; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:24:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16555; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16545; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-48.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-48.earthlink.net [206.149.201.73]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18540; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708242323.QAA18540@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "John W. Sterni" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 16:21:29 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: IBM TV Tuner Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John W. Sterni wrote: >I also hadthe urge to order one ! > >Hopefully i can find a way to get it to work on a 750 mono. > Getting it to work is one thing, but getting the images to be clear is another. And that will probably be near impossible on a mono laptop. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 24 21:35:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102262914; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:35:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19979; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:32:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19861; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19851; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-25.usc.edu [128.125.224.25]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id SAA06204; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970824175738.0076b9f8@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:32:51 -0700 To: "Alexander J. Annala" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP760 floppy/cd setup -- Adaptec SlimSCSI Alternative Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:10 AM 8/24/97 +0100, Alexander J. Annala wrote: >$3 per 650-700 MB platter, and used 90M DAT tapes (used once) $2. Where do you get used 90M DAT tapes? I'd buy a couple dozen at that price. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 25 03:17:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144543470; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:17:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29258; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:14:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29105; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29095; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aludra.usc.edu (aludra.usc.edu [128.125.19.184]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with ESMTP id AAA12829; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sterni@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id AAA25890; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:14:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aludra.usc.edu: sterni owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:14:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "John W. Sterni" To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: IBM TV Tuner In-Reply-To: <199708242323.QAA18540@norway.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was hoping that I could use my Color Monitor to watch television or see if there is someway to upgrade my screen to color. -john=- ----------------------------------- Signature file for John Sterni Mariah Carey fan Always and Forever http://www-scf.usc.edu/~sterni ----------------------------------- On Sun, 24 Aug 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John W. Sterni wrote: > > >I also hadthe urge to order one ! > > > >Hopefully i can find a way to get it to work on a 750 mono. > > > > Getting it to work is one thing, but getting the images to be clear > is another. And that will probably be near impossible on a mono > laptop. > > Paul > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 25 12:59:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA219938341; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:59:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00937; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:52:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00627; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.152.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00613; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcneelybn_1 (bnm.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.150.16]) by cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA26435; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970825125038.00fb3c78@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov> X-Sender: bnm@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:50:38 -0400 To: "Paul Khoury" From: bnm@ornl.gov (Brooks McNeely) Subject: Re: Problems with 250MB Cc: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <199708240553.WAA14148@germany.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:47 PM 8/23/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >I am having really BAD problems with my DHAA-2270 drive, >which maybe someone can lend some expertise. I copied stuff >from a 340MBdrive from a 755 onto it (formatted w/HPFS), and the >340 is, or at least was, FAT. I just wanted to convert to HPFS. Now, >the old drive is converted, but the temp. drive won't let me access it, >and besides using Linux, I don't know how I can access it. Maybe >there are other advanced OS/2 users on this list who can assist me. > Not sure if I fully understand. You have either a 250MB or 340 MB hard drive, recently formatted HPFS, that is now inaccessible when you boot to OS/2. You didn't use Partition Magic or other utility to do conversion. Usually these problems go away when the inaccessible drive is chkdsk'd. You can't use chkdsk on it if the system thinks something is allocated on the drive - maybe something in config.sys references a file on the drive. Usually, if one can't run chkdsk from a normal boot, one must boot from floppies. Warp now includes a utility to create (system/boot) diskettes in the system setup folder. (I think it uses 4 diskettes). Kenneth Kahn (sic) wrote a utility to create Warp boot diskettes that's available as IBM EWS (employee written software). I think it only uses two diskettes. Lastly you can boot from the install disks and escape out to a diskette prompt. Then the next diskette in the install set has chkdsk and the uhpfs.dll on it (if memory serves). Then run chkdsk x: /f:2 or /f:3 where x: is the inaccessible partition. You answer so many OS/2 questions, I'm afraid that I may have misunderstood your problem, since my answer is fairly simple. Brooks Brooks McNeely Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Inc. E-mail: bnm@ornl.gov (work) brooks_mcneely@ibm.net (non-work) Phone: 423-574-4612 (voice) 423-576-6608 (fax) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 25 13:08:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221458913; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:08:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01650; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:04:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01514; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2b.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01492; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c4rv.demon.co.uk ([158.152.168.2]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1526839; 25 Aug 97 17:37 BST Message-Id: <6SDUfBAfPaA0EwuB@c4rv.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:25:19 +0100 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List From: Rajesh Varia Subject: Re: I put some more updates In-Reply-To: <199708131950.MAA19298@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.12 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In message <199708131950.MAA19298@denmark.it.earthlink.net>, Paul Khoury writes >pool070-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net > >Also, does anyone have the latest drivers for whatever >for Windows 95/NT, OS/2, Linux, etc. relating to ThinkPads, >that I could put up? If so, send me an email attachment. Thanks. > >Paul > I thought that all the latest IBM ThinkPad drivers could be found at ftp.pc.ibm.com /pub/pccbbs/mobiles Which covers drivers for DOS, Windows 3.x Win 95, Win NT and OS/2 and also BIOS updates etc. -- Rajesh Varia From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 25 13:48:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA227231310; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:48:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04413; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:40:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04177; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04166; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-64.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-64.earthlink.net [206.149.201.89]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10662 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708251740.KAA10662@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 23:27:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problems with 250MB Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 23 Aug 97 22:47:57, Paul Khoury wrote: >I am having really BAD problems with my DHAA-2270 drive, >which maybe someone can lend some expertise. I copied stuff >from a 340MBdrive from a 755 onto it (formatted w/HPFS), and the >340 is, or at least was, FAT. I just wanted to convert to HPFS. Now, >the old drive is converted, but the temp. drive won't let me access it, >and besides using Linux, I don't know how I can access it. Maybe >there are other advanced OS/2 users on this list who can assist me. > >BTW, IBM just sent this as a replacement (and a suggestion from >Kathy Hyde of the Systems Storage division) last week. > >Later, > >Paul > > Just so everyone knows, I think either the drive's bad, or it's a software issue, because I was actually able to safely recover the files from DOS using a utility that allows read-only access to HPFS. I also have a similar utility, but for NTFS. If anyone wants a copy, send me an email. The program seems real handy since I miss using Faxworks for Win3.x's telephony features since I upgraded to Warp 4.0. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 25 13:55:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA228171702; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:55:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05199; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:52:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04962; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04947; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-64.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-64.earthlink.net [206.149.201.89]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14637; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708251752.KAA14637@sweden.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Brooks McNeely" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 10:49:49 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problems with 250MB Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:50:38 -0400, Brooks McNeely wrote: >At 10:47 PM 8/23/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >>I am having really BAD problems with my DHAA-2270 drive, >>which maybe someone can lend some expertise. I copied stuff >>from a 340MBdrive from a 755 onto it (formatted w/HPFS), and the >>340 is, or at least was, FAT. I just wanted to convert to HPFS. Now, >>the old drive is converted, but the temp. drive won't let me access it, >>and besides using Linux, I don't know how I can access it. Maybe >>there are other advanced OS/2 users on this list who can assist me. >> >Not sure if I fully understand. You have either a 250MB or 340 MB hard >drive, recently formatted HPFS, that is now inaccessible when you boot to >OS/2. You didn't use Partition Magic or other utility to do conversion. > >Usually these problems go away when the inaccessible drive is chkdsk'd. You >can't use chkdsk on it if the system thinks something is allocated on the >drive - maybe something in config.sys references a file on the drive. > >Usually, if one can't run chkdsk from a normal boot, one must boot from >floppies. Warp now includes a utility to create (system/boot) diskettes in >the system setup folder. (I think it uses 4 diskettes). Kenneth Kahn (sic) >wrote a utility to create Warp boot diskettes that's available as IBM EWS >(employee written software). I think it only uses two diskettes. Lastly you >can boot from the install disks and escape out to a diskette prompt. Then >the next diskette in the install set has chkdsk and the uhpfs.dll on it (if >memory serves). > >Then run chkdsk x: /f:2 or /f:3 where x: is the inaccessible partition. > >You answer so many OS/2 questions, I'm afraid that I may have misunderstood >your problem, since my answer is fairly simple. > >Brooks > Brooks- Apparently, the file system has errors, so I will low level format the drive later today. I got the files off with a utility that allows one to mount HPFS drives under DOS. If you would like I could send the utility later today. So the new drive was HPFS, but the stupid Michaelangelo.stoned virus attacked it because my OS/2 boot disks were infected, so I reformatted it to FAT, and now will be careful about changing file systems without adequete backups. I don't know what exactly happened to the 250MB though, so I don't know whether it was a virus or not. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 25 13:56:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA228471795; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:56:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05357; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:53:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05142; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05132; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-64.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-64.earthlink.net [206.149.201.89]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10868; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708251753.KAA10868@denmark.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John W. Sterni" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 10:51:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: IBM TV Tuner Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:14:03 -0700 (PDT), John W. Sterni wrote: > >I was hoping that I could use my Color Monitor to watch television >or see if there is someway to upgrade my screen to color. > >-john=- A color CRT should work, but it's just that the refresh rate on DSTN and STN (mono) screens that creates ghosting and bluriness of images. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 25 14:00:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA228912054; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:00:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05680; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:57:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05494; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05454; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max4-ot-ca-64.earthlink.net (max4-ot-ca-64.earthlink.net [206.149.201.89]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00725; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708251757.KAA00725@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Rajesh Varia" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 10:55:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I put some more updates Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:25:19 +0100, Rajesh Varia wrote: >In message <199708131950.MAA19298@denmark.it.earthlink.net>, Paul Khoury > writes >>pool070-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net >> >>Also, does anyone have the latest drivers for whatever >>for Windows 95/NT, OS/2, Linux, etc. relating to ThinkPads, >>that I could put up? If so, send me an email attachment. Thanks. >> >>Paul >> >I thought that all the latest IBM ThinkPad drivers could be found at > >ftp.pc.ibm.com /pub/pccbbs/mobiles > >Which covers drivers for DOS, Windows 3.x Win 95, Win NT and OS/2 and >also BIOS updates etc. > >-- >Rajesh Varia > Thanks, I forgot. I've had a lot on my mind lately. PK From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 25 15:08:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA239976083; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:08:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09056; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:04:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08852; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08824; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:01:37 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCB14F.BC98E240@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:09:28 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCB14F.BC98E240@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: IBM TV Tuner Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:09:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hold on...;-} As far as I understand the TV tuner bypasses the onboard Video chip and talks direct to the display ......Via the Ramdac???? . Therefore no external display :-{ All this is conjecture ....wait till I get the damn thing (grin). ..peter.. ---------- From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 25, 1997 3:51 AM To: John W. Sterni Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: IBM TV Tuner On Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:14:03 -0700 (PDT), John W. Sterni wrote: > >I was hoping that I could use my Color Monitor to watch television >or see if there is someway to upgrade my screen to color. > >-john=- A color CRT should work, but it's just that the refresh rate on DSTN and STN (mono) screens that creates ghosting and bluriness of images. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 25 16:45:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA257711938; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:45:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15351; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:40:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14781; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14763; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max1-ot-ca-30.earthlink.net (max1-ot-ca-30.earthlink.net [206.149.196.80]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA23679 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708252040.NAA23679@norway.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 13:38:50 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hard drive specs Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You can get hard drive specs for IBM drives at http:/www.storage.ibm.com/storage/techsup/hddtech/table.htm Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 26 12:05:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA117901537; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:05:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03248; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:00:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03061; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03042; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max3-ot-ca-45.earthlink.net (max3-ot-ca-45.earthlink.net [206.149.196.195]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20469; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708261600.JAA20469@germany.it.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Mark J Strawcutter" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 23:23:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: packet driver for CC Adapter II Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:27:39 -0500 (EST), Mark J Strawcutter wrote: >I'm looking for a native packet driver for an "Ethernet Credit Card >Adapter II". Any/all pointers would be appriciated - I've poked around >www.pc.ibm.com and haven't found anything. > >If necessary, I could run NDIS (native or with packet driver on top). The >disk that came with the adapter is several years old - does anyone know if >there are newer drivers available somewhere? > >Thanks > >/mjs > Try Yahoo. BTW, what OS do you need it for? Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 26 16:52:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA167748743; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:52:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24274; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:47:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23700; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23682; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id QLC05130; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:46:53 EDT To: linux-8086@vger.rutgers.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New address Message-Id: <19970826.134359.3655.4.pkhoury@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11 From: pkhoury@juno.com (Paul A Khoury) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:46:53 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just to let everyone know, write to me now at pkhoury@juno.com. Earthlink is in the process of fixing some problems that affect my account, so I had to setup a network session to get Juno. Also, I can't accept mail over 60K, or attachments, unless under 60K and in UUEncoding format, because of restrictions by Juno. Thanks. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 26 21:41:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA214416082; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:41:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06246; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:38:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06153; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gouda.direct.ca (root@gouda.direct.ca [199.60.229.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06135; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirion (van-52-0442.direct.ca [204.174.240.186]) by gouda.direct.ca (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id SAA06316 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708270137.SAA06316@gouda.direct.ca> From: "Dayle Riddoch" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 26 Aug 97 18:39:30 -0800 Reply-To: "Dayle Riddoch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Setting up X on a 760ED Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 760ED 800x600 tft and I am trying to set up XFree86 for OS/2. I have checked www.wwsi.com and got very useful information on getting the tft to work. My next question is: Does anybody use their thinkpad with XFree86 with a monitor? I want to run it at 1280x1024 and can't figure out the monitor timings. If anyone has tried this, can you please let me know what to do or where to get more info. System Config: ThinkPad 760ED 9546-U3A 800x600 tft 2048 KB video ram Trident Cyber9385 chipset ViewSonic 17PS monitor Thanks Dayle Riddoch ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dayle Riddoch driddoch@direct.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 26 23:17:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229851844; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:17:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09432; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:16:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09333; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09323; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:15:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from uucp6.UU.NET by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: uucp6.UU.NET [192.48.96.37]) id QQdeiv06134; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw.UUCP by uucp6.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:15:56 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by mailgw.wellspringres.com id AA872610195 Tue, 26 Aug 97 08:43:15 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 97 08:43:15 Message-Id: <9707268726.AA872610195@mailgw.wellspringres.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Tillamook Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Information Week says IBM, et al will announce Tillamook base notebooks 9/8. First off the blocks will be 200MHz and 233Mhz, and by years end 266MHz. The same article mentioned that Digital will be offering a portable with a 14.1" screen!!! Be prepared to dig deep. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 27 02:38:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA257963937; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:38:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14350; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:36:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14267; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14257; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tom-s-laptop (slip129-37-223-115.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.223.115]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA66236; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 06:35:54 GMT Message-Id: <199708270635.GAA66236@out2.ibm.net> Reply-To: From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Jane Loyless" Cc: Subject: Re: Queston abt 760 and floppy/cd setup Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:38:05 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have found someone selling a bare TP701 drive without cable and want to know if that is adequate. If I go with the second possibility, does the adapter cable replace the normal cable on the TP701 floppy? Or, is the new cable an adapter -- meaning two cables would be necessary to hook the TP701 floppy to my TP760? ---------- > There are two possibilities: > > P/N 66G3696 FDD External Attachment Kit is a housing (with cable) for the > floppy that comes with the TP760. Attaches to the connector above the > docking connector on the back of the TP. > > or > > P/N 10H4056 701 FDD + P/N 25H4879 Dock II Adapter Kit FDD Cable. This is > the floppy drive from the TP701 with a cable that fits the TP760. Attaches > to the same connector as the first option. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 27 02:49:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259014546; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:49:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14797; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:47:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14700; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Seoul-PSD.korea.army.mil (SEOUL-PSD.KOREA.ARMY.MIL [144.59.51.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14689; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SEOUL-PSD.KOREA.ARMY.MIL with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:48:49 +0900 Message-Id: From: "Bronson, Scott E. CPT" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: LED Burned Out Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:48:48 +0900 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Fellow Owners: The HD LED on my Thinkpad 701C has burned out. I haven't really looked at it yet, but how easy is it to replace it?? Anyone do this before? Thanks, Scott From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 27 08:20:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA291164413; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:20:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29839; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:18:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29750; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29740; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-155.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.155]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA32478; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:18:19 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970827081726.009c6bb0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:17:26 -0400 To: From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Queston abt 760 and floppy/cd setup Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199708270635.GAA66236@out2.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:38 PM 8/26/97 -0600, you wrote: >I have found someone selling a bare TP701 drive without cable and want to >know if that is adequate. > >If I go with the second possibility, does the adapter cable replace the >normal cable on the TP701 floppy? Or, is the new cable an adapter -- >meaning two cables would be necessary to hook the TP701 floppy to my TP760? > If by bare drive you mean it doesn't have a cable, then the answer is yes, the new cable replaces the original cable used with the TP701. If by bare drive you mean the floppy innards are not in their housing, I don't know what you'd do since the one I have doesn't appear to be designed to open up. Hope this helps! Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 27 14:56:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235268193; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:56:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22082; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:51:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21771; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.isomedia.com (mail3.isomedia.com [204.157.237.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21755; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from billprat (pm5-017.isomedia.com [206.129.160.209]) by mail3.isomedia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07707; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708271851.LAA07707@mail3.isomedia.com> From: "Bill Pratt" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Help!! Question 701C ThinkPad and modems Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:33:05 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Please let me know which is the best PCMCIA modem for this unit. I am trying to go 56kFlex and have tried the Actiontec 56kFlex modem. It is flaky in that I cannot get reliable connections except up to 24-26K and cannot connect at flex rates. Also, when I undock from the Multiport connector and run it undocked, I loose my modem setup. The modem will only seem to work at com3, and only when docked. Can you please share your experience on getting the 701 to work with PC card modems, and if I am doing something wrong. I run Win95, ver 950a. I am about to return the Actiontec modem and order the new Motorola MobileSURFER...it just got announced but is not in the stores yet. I don't really want to run any x2 modems since my provider just installed flex and probably will not have any x2 capability. Thanks for any ideas. Regards, Bill Pratt, Bellevue, WA "No matter where you go...there you are"! billp117@isomedia.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 27 18:22:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA003880570; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:22:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04926; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:04:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04295; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04263; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA04620; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:03:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970827170256.006b9588@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:02:56 -0500 To: "Bill Pratt" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Help!! Question 701C ThinkPad and modems Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199708271851.LAA07707@mail3.isomedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 11:33 AM 8/27/97 -0700, you wrote: >Please let me know which is the best PCMCIA modem for this unit. Caveats: I'm using a 755CE. I don't care about 56K in its current form. I wanted to look to the future (which happened about a month after I bought) and get a dual modem and Ethernet PCMCIA card. I have always been impressed with the Megahertz products. The XJ1144 I started with, whatever it was I replaced it with, and my current XJEM3336 have all worked with a lot less trouble than most of the other computer equipment I own. When I have had trouble, their support people have been quite helpful, once you actually get ahold of one. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNASkD2asl5Jijs7SEQLGggCgumS5qjx6USSAJcT2kjnWEUsBc6IAoJ66 UyIQJBPq43uKecIYgD4jaz6J =wr4Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 27 19:41:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA015155267; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:41:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08322; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:35:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08070; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Seoul-PSD.korea.army.mil (SEOUL-PSD.KOREA.ARMY.MIL [144.59.51.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08050; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SEOUL-PSD.KOREA.ARMY.MIL with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:37:17 +0900 Message-Id: From: "Bronson, Scott E. CPT" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FW: LED Burned Out Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:37:15 +0900 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If this is the kind of help/attitude we take on this listserv, please don't email me w/ your "help"!!! (Follow the msgs below) Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 CPT, SC Fax: 724-7680 Communications Systems Engineer Project Support Directorate 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > -----Original Message----- > From: Bronson, Scott E. CPT > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 11:27 PM > To: 'Fredmmill@aol.com' > Subject: RE: LED Burned Out > > Nice language!!!!!! Thanks for the help....... > > Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 > CPT, SC Fax: 724-7680 > Communications Systems Engineer > Project Support Directorate > 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" > Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fredmmill@aol.com [SMTP:Fredmmill@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 3:55 PM > To: SBRONSON@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > Subject: Re: LED Burned Out > > Well, I am so sorry that I did not realize you are overseas. In that > case, I > guess you are shit out of luck... Now, aren't you? > > > > Can't believe you're suggesting sending it back to IBM for a burned > out LED. Look at my email address, I'd be shipping it from Korea > > Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 > CPT, SC Fax: 724-7680 > Communications Systems Engineer > Project Support Directorate > 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" > Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fredmmill@aol.com [SMTP:Fredmmill@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 7:22 AM > To: SBRONSON@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > Subject: Re: LED Burned Out > > Why not just tsend it back to IBm and have them fix it.. It has been > my > experience, using its "easyserve," taht you will get the unit back in > less > than 72 hours. > > WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 27 19:54:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA016696059; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:54:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08800; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:51:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08696; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08686; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA09565; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:49:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970827184948.0069f3dc@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:49:48 -0500 To: "Bronson, Scott E. CPT" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: FW: LED Burned Out Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:37 AM 8/28/97 +0900, you wrote: >> Can't believe you're suggesting sending it back to IBM for a burned >> out LED. Look at my email address, I'd be shipping it from Korea I was under the impression that IBM had oversees service available. Are you still under warranty? If not, do you actually care about whether you break the machine trying to fix it yourself? If so, then you probably shouldn't open the case. Is the LED not working a really big deal to you? These are all considerations you need to keep in mind in deciding what to do. If the LED is really important and you care about your machine and you aren't willing to send it somewhere to be serviced, only *then* would you be S.O.L. Otherwise, there are options. Good luck. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 04:01:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087705303; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 04:01:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27042; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 04:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 03:55:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26755; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 03:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.worldnow.com (smtp1yellow.worldnow.com [208.142.208.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26745; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 03:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.14.224.11] by smtp1.worldnow.com (SMTPD32-4.0) id A021379C011A; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 02:00:33 -0600 Received: from [205.218.33.36] by mail.sisna.com (SMTPD32-4.0) id AEF5D3100C4; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:55:33 -0600 Message-Id: <34052F9B.D99F5239@propilot.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:58:20 -0600 From: Don Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Bronson, Scott E. CPT" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: FW: LED Burned Out X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bronson, Scott E. CPT wrote: > If this is the kind of help/attitude we take on this listserv, please > don't email me w/ your "help"!!! (Follow the msgs below) > > Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 > CPT, SC Fax: 724-7680 > Communications Systems Engineer > Project Support Directorate > 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" > Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bronson, Scott E. CPT > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 11:27 PM > > To: 'Fredmmill@aol.com' > > Subject: RE: LED Burned Out > > > > Nice language!!!!!! Thanks for the help....... > > > > Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 > > CPT, SC Fax: > 724-7680 > > Communications Systems Engineer > > Project Support Directorate > > 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" > > Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fredmmill@aol.com [SMTP:Fredmmill@aol.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 3:55 PM > > To: SBRONSON@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > Subject: Re: LED Burned Out > > > > Well, I am so sorry that I did not realize you are overseas. In > that > > case, I > > guess you are shit out of luck... Now, aren't you? > > > > > > > > Can't believe you're suggesting sending it back to IBM for a burned > > out LED. Look at my email address, I'd be shipping it from Korea > > > > Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 > > CPT, SC Fax: > 724-7680 > > Communications Systems Engineer > > Project Support Directorate > > 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" > > Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fredmmill@aol.com [SMTP:Fredmmill@aol.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 7:22 AM > > To: SBRONSON@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > Subject: Re: LED Burned Out > > > > Why not just tsend it back to IBm and have them fix it.. It has been > > > my > > experience, using its "easyserve," taht you will get the unit back > in > > less > > than 72 hours. > > > > WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? > >It seems to me you are out of line CAPTAIN, he sent you a reasonable > answer. We cannot be expected to know of your shipping problems from > Korea, not to mention IBMs overseas warranty setup. The "language" you > refer to would likely not have happened had you not taken an > "ATTITUDE" when he tried to give you a reasonable suggestion. Don > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 10:26:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA130318362; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:26:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19199; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:13:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18877; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (dns01.ops.usa.net [204.68.24.137]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18867; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24340 invoked by alias); 28 Aug 1997 14:13:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 24311 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1997 14:13:05 -0000 Received: from 152.usr2.2xtreme.net (HELO hysterium) (208.147.33.152) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 1997 14:13:05 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970828070830.0329f584@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: geige@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:08:30 -0700 To: "Bill Pratt" , From: Dale Chao Subject: Re: Help!! Question 701C ThinkPad and modems Cc: In-Reply-To: <199708271851.LAA07707@mail3.isomedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bill, At 11:33 AM 8/27/97 -0700, Bill Pratt wrote: >Also, when I undock from the Multiport connector and run it undocked, I >loose my modem setup. The modem will only seem to work at com3, and only >when docked. > Have you looked in the System applet in the Control Panel? In there, you should check the device sheet, then modems, then the modem that's giving you problems. See if it's enabled under both docked and undocked hardware profiles. I think that might take care of your problem. As for the modem being on COM3, on my TP701, the internal modem is on COM1, the serial port on the Multiport is on COM2, leaving COM3 for the next modem. Dale ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California Primary Email: geige@usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 11:40:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA143012859; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:40:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25014; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:31:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24814; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout27.mail.aol.com (emout27.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24790; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:30:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from root@localhost) by emout27.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA00254 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu('thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <970828113002_1648267540@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu ('thinkpad@cs.utk.edu') Subject: Re: FW: LED Burned Out Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In a message dated 97-08-28 06:42:28 EDT, you write: << If this is the kind of help/attitude we take on this listserv, please don't email me w/ your "help"!!! (Follow the msgs below) Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 CPT, SC Fax: 724-7680 Communications Systems Engineer Project Support Directorate 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > -----Original Message----- > From: Bronson, Scott E. CPT > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 11:27 PM > To: 'Fredmmill@aol.com' > Subject: RE: LED Burned Out > > Nice language!!!!!! Thanks for the help....... > > Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 > CPT, SC Fax: 724-7680 > Communications Systems Engineer > Project Support Directorate > 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" > Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fredmmill@aol.com [SMTP:Fredmmill@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 3:55 PM > To: SBRONSON@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > Subject: Re: LED Burned Out > > Well, I am so sorry that I did not realize you are overseas. In that > case, I > guess you are shit out of luck... Now, aren't you? > > > > Can't believe you're suggesting sending it back to IBM for a burned > out LED. Look at my email address, I'd be shipping it from Korea > > Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 > CPT, SC Fax: 724-7680 > Communications Systems Engineer > Project Support Directorate > 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" > Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fredmmill@aol.com [SMTP:Fredmmill@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 7:22 AM > To: SBRONSON@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > Subject: Re: LED Burned Out > > Why not just tsend it back to IBm and have them fix it.. It has been > my > experience, using its "easyserve," taht you will get the unit back in > less > than 72 hours. >> Dear Sir/Madam: Did you ever take the time to think that maybe it is your attitude that is out of line? I was at least nice enough to take the time to send you, what I thought at the time, to be a helpful suggestion. Granted, I did not realize at that time that you are geographically disadvantaged with respect to IBM's service centers. But instead of then just recognizing the obvious - no, you have to reply with "look at my address, I can't believe you. . ." With all due respect sir/madam - I niether did nor do care that much to carefully inspect your address. I have enough to do without worrying about your life too. So if you wish to get your nose out of joint - that is your problem... But do me a favor and everyone else: don't cut their arm off because they did not first take the time to carefully inspect YOUR address before attempting to help you. Instead say nothing, say thank you - just be polite... I am confident that your mom and dad taught you manners - didn't they? Getting your reply to my first message was rather rude and insulting. So what do you expect sir/madam? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 12:36:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA153916179; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:36:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28603; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:32:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28455; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom18.netcom.com (phr@netcom18.netcom.com [192.100.81.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28266; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) id JAA22195 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:30:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199708281630.JAA22195@netcom18.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: wtb 760 ac adapter Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 755cx and need a new ac adapter for it. Some people have suggested that I get a 760 adapter, which is more compact and nicer than the adapter that came with the cx. Anyone have one for sale or can recommend a dealer who is likely to have them in stock? I called a few dealers earlier in the month and they were hard to find. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 14:32:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA170283152; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:32:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05107; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:28:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04834; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04704; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-229.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.229]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA153914; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:26:19 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970828142519.009d32c0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:25:19 -0400 To: Paul Rubin From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: wtb 760 ac adapter Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199708281630.JAA22195@netcom18.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:30 AM 8/28/97 -0700, you wrote: >I have a 755cx and need a new ac adapter for it. Some people have >suggested that I get a 760 adapter, which is more compact and nicer >than the adapter that came with the cx. Anyone have one for sale >or can recommend a dealer who is likely to have them in stock? > Boulder Parts Center 800.388.7080 or http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/parts/ AC Adapter - P/N 85G6704 (FRU P/N 85G6705) Power Cord for 75x/760 - P/N 13H5264 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 17:41:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA200114499; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:41:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17104; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:32:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16936; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16925; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09295; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:30:09 -0600 Message-Id: <3405EC51.9B970A03@wwsi.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:23:29 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless Cc: Paul Rubin , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: wtb 760 ac adapter X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.32.19970828142519.009d32c0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu BTW, my recommendation is the 755CX one. It has a universal (IEC) connector for the brick. If you do any international traveling, you'll find that invaluable. I miss it on my 765... -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 18:47:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA210878474; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:47:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20391; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:43:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20180; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20170; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-140.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.140]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA160602; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:43:24 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970828184221.0098e100@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:42:21 -0400 To: Steve Hultquist From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: wtb 760 ac adapter Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3405EC51.9B970A03@wwsi.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970828142519.009d32c0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:23 PM 8/28/97 -0600, you wrote: >BTW, my recommendation is the 755CX one. It has a universal (IEC) >connector for the brick. If you do any international traveling, you'll >find that invaluable. I miss it on my 765... > My travel has always been within the US, so it hasn't been a concern. Size and weight has been a concern, and I grabbed one of the little 760 adapters as soon as they came out. I do have one of the old bricks though and one of the 755CX ones as well. This was the one with the thin cord that wrapped around and velcroed into place, right? They're still available. Will they not work with the 765 for some reason? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 19:20:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215660432; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:20:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21650; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:17:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21487; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21454; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssh (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09809; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:29:30 -0600 Message-Id: <3406084B.AE17BB59@wwsi.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:22:51 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: wtb 760 ac adapter X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.32.19970828142519.009d32c0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> <3.0.1.32.19970828184221.0098e100@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jane Loyless wrote: > I do have one of the old bricks though and one of the 755CX ones as well. > This was the one with the thin cord that wrapped around and velcroed into > place, right? They're still available. Will they not work with the 765 > for some reason? I think they don't have enough current for the 76x series. -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 21:34:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235848481; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:34:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26213; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:31:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25994; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lms03.us1.ibm.com (lms03.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25978; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d03lms01.boulder.ibm.com by lms03.us1.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11686; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:23:34 GMT Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D03AU019 id 5030100007220655; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:31:49 -0400 From: "Y.C Tseng" To: Cc: Chung-Chia Ho , "Y.C Tseng" Subject: Help! Hard drive BIOS test error ;-( Message-Id: <5030100007220655000002L052*@MHS> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:31:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I just got a new Hitach 2.1 GB hard drive for my ThinkPad 760ELD. After putting it into my ThinkPad, I tried to test this drive in the BIOS setup menu, then got a red error cross mark with the following lines: DEV 017 ERR 16 FRU 6010 Could someone kindly point me out what meanings do they respect to? Thanks a lots! Best regards, Yen-chiun Tseng From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 21:44:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237399093; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:44:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26622; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:42:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26483; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26473; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VyI02020; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:41:49 EDT To: geige@usa.net Cc: billp117@isomedia.com, tdf@ibm.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help!! Question 701C ThinkPad and modems Message-Id: <19970828.183808.3687.8.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19970828070830.0329f584@pop.netaddress.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-28 From: pkhoury@juno.com (Paul A Khoury) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:41:49 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:08:30 -0700 Dale Chao writes: >Bill, > >At 11:33 AM 8/27/97 -0700, Bill Pratt wrote: >>Also, when I undock from the Multiport connector and run it undocked, >I >>loose my modem setup. The modem will only seem to work at com3, and >only >>when docked. >> >Have you looked in the System applet in the Control Panel? In there, >you >should check the device sheet, then modems, then the modem that's >giving >you problems. See if it's enabled under both docked and undocked >hardware >profiles. I think that might take care of your problem. > >As for the modem being on COM3, on my TP701, the internal modem is on >COM1, >the serial port on the Multiport is on COM2, leaving COM3 for the next >modem. > > Dale > What OS are you running? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 21:53:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA238829616; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:53:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27048; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:51:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26940; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26903; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id V{X02020; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:50:02 EDT To: ssh@wwsi.com Cc: jloyless@netbox.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: wtb 760 ac adapter Message-Id: <19970828.184651.3687.13.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970828142519.009d32c0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> <3.0.1.32.19970828184221.0098e100@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> <3406084B.AE17BB59@wwsi.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-27 From: pkhoury@juno.com (Paul A Khoury) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:50:02 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:22:51 -0600 Steve Hultquist writes: >Jane Loyless wrote: >> I do have one of the old bricks though and one of the 755CX ones as >well. >> This was the one with the thin cord that wrapped around and velcroed >into >> place, right? They're still available. Will they not work with the >765 >> for some reason? > >I think they don't have enough current for the 76x series. >-- According to mine (with the barrel type plug), which is the brick with velcro type used for a 701, here are the specs: INPUT 100-240~1.10-0.55A 50-60Hz OUTPUT 16-10V -_-_- 2.2-3.2A P/N 85G6695 FRU P/N 85G6698 Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 22:43:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA245912607; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:43:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28437; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:40:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28211; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28186; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-228.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.228]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA106994; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 02:40:15 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970828223912.00999d50@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:39:12 -0400 To: pkhoury@juno.com (Paul A Khoury) From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: wtb 760 ac adapter Cc: ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19970828.184651.3687.13.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970828142519.009d32c0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> <3.0.1.32.19970828184221.0098e100@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> <3406084B.AE17BB59@wwsi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:50 PM 8/28/97 EDT, you wrote: >>I think they don't have enough current for the 76x series. >>-- >According to mine (with the barrel type plug), which is the >brick with velcro type used for a 701, here are the specs: > >INPUT 100-240~1.10-0.55A > 50-60Hz >OUTPUT 16-10V -_-_- > 2.2-3.2A > >P/N 85G6695 >FRU P/N 85G6698 > OK - mine's a different part number (P/N 85G6693 FRU P/N 85G6701), but the specs are the same. And here's the specs on the one from my TP760EL (P/N 85G6704 FRU P/N 85G6705): INPUT 100-240V~1.0A-0.55A 50-60Hz OUTPUT 16V-_-_-2.2A I know zip about electrical stuff. Can someone tell me the difference? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 23:04:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA249623866; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:04:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29025; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:00:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28873; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28857; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pkhoury@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XWX02020; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:00:11 EDT To: tsengyc@tw.ibm.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, ccho@tw.ibm.com, tsengyc@tw.ibm.com Subject: Re: Help! Hard drive BIOS test error ;-( Message-Id: <19970828.195718.3687.18.pkhoury@juno.com> References: <5030100007220655000002L052*@mhs> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-32,34-37,39,41-48 From: pkhoury@juno.com (Paul A Khoury) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:00:11 EDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:31:49 -0400 "Y.C Tseng" writes: >Hello, > > I just got a new Hitach 2.1 GB hard drive for my ThinkPad 760ELD. >After >putting it into my ThinkPad, >I tried to test this drive in the BIOS setup menu, then got a red >error cross >mark with the following lines: > > DEV 017 > ERR 16 > FRU 6010 > >Could someone kindly point me out what meanings do they respect to? >Thanks a >lots! > >Best regards, >Yen-chiun Tseng > Okay, first of all, is this a new drive, with no information? If so, follow the steps below: 1. Boot up the machine into Easy Setup holding Fn-F1 until you get there. 2. Go to test machine, and press CONTROL-A, you should see some new icons. 3. Then press CONTROL-F, and you should see a hard drive icon. This low-level formats the hard drive and DESTROYS everything on it, so only use it if you know what you're doing. 4. Click on it with the mouse. Press enter until you see a box that says Cylinder x or something like that. I don't want to do this, so I don't remember what it says. 5. Email me and the list, and tell me how it went. Good luck. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 23:11:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA250754310; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:11:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29414; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:09:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29280; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melati.singnet.com.sg (melati.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29265; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guest.telkom.go.id ([202.158.1.98]) by melati.singnet.com.sg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04156; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:09:09 +0800 (SST) Message-Id: <3406D81C.59FBEF59@singnet.com.sg> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:09:32 -0400 From: Alvin Tan Hong Seong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Bronson, Scott E. CPT" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: FW: LED Burned Out X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I fully empathise with your position. The Internet is still a very US-centric place, with too many offers and services available only to US users and parties. I would really like to see a more international Internet.... Alvin From Singapore. Bronson, Scott E. CPT wrote: > > If this is the kind of help/attitude we take on this listserv, please > don't email me w/ your "help"!!! (Follow the msgs below) > > Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 > CPT, SC Fax: 724-7680 > Communications Systems Engineer > Project Support Directorate > 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" > Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bronson, Scott E. CPT > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 11:27 PM > > To: 'Fredmmill@aol.com' > > Subject: RE: LED Burned Out > > > > Nice language!!!!!! Thanks for the help....... > > > > Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 > > CPT, SC Fax: > 724-7680 > > Communications Systems Engineer > > Project Support Directorate > > 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" > > Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fredmmill@aol.com [SMTP:Fredmmill@aol.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 3:55 PM > > To: SBRONSON@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > Subject: Re: LED Burned Out > > > > Well, I am so sorry that I did not realize you are overseas. In > that > > case, I > > guess you are shit out of luck... Now, aren't you? > > > > > > > > Can't believe you're suggesting sending it back to IBM for a burned > > out LED. Look at my email address, I'd be shipping it from Korea > > > > Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 > > CPT, SC Fax: > 724-7680 > > Communications Systems Engineer > > Project Support Directorate > > 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" > > Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fredmmill@aol.com [SMTP:Fredmmill@aol.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 7:22 AM > > To: SBRONSON@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > Subject: Re: LED Burned Out > > > > Why not just tsend it back to IBm and have them fix it.. It has been > > my > > experience, using its "easyserve," taht you will get the unit back > in > > less > > than 72 hours. > > > > WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 23:21:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA252044877; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:21:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29863; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:18:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29746; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melati.singnet.com.sg (melati.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29660; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guest.telkom.go.id ([202.158.1.98]) by melati.singnet.com.sg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06986; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:17:01 +0800 (SST) Message-Id: <3406D9F5.F58EB20@singnet.com.sg> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:17:25 -0400 From: Alvin Tan Hong Seong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Hultquist Cc: Jane Loyless , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: wtb 760 ac adapter X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.32.19970828142519.009d32c0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> <3.0.1.32.19970828184221.0098e100@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> <3406084B.AE17BB59@wwsi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 765 power supply requires a 56W while the others from 760XD downwards use the 35W power supply. This is in part due to the higher drain from the 13.3 LCD panel I think. Anyway, I really hate the proprietary power cable socket for the brick. And since I do a bit of international travelling, I had to buy a universal power adaptor plug. Just as well, it is small light :) Alvin Steve Hultquist wrote: > > Jane Loyless wrote: > > I do have one of the old bricks though and one of the 755CX ones as > well. > > This was the one with the thin cord that wrapped around and velcroed > into > > place, right? They're still available. Will they not work with the > 765 > > for some reason? > > I think they don't have enough current for the 76x series. > -- > Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. > Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado > mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Aug 28 23:50:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA255866622; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:50:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01158; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:47:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00998; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lms03.us1.ibm.com (lms03.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00988; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d03lms02.boulder.ibm.com by lms03.us1.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21062; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 02:39:33 GMT Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D03AU008 id 5030200013685956; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:49:39 -0400 From: "Y.C Tseng" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Help! Hard drive BIOS test error ;-( Message-Id: <5030200013685956000002L062*@MHS> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:49:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul, First of all, I'd like to thank you for the prompt reply. After trying your directions several times, I still can't see any additional hard drive icon to appear. So, I can not reach the last step to do low-level formatting for my hard drive. On the other hand, I should point out is, this hard drive has been formatted already, and been installed windows 95 on it. Until now, it seems work fine. Any further idea? Have a good day, Yen-chiun Tseng pkhoury@juno.com 97/08/29 12:03 PM Please respond to pkhoury@juno.com @ internet To: Y.C Tseng/Taiwan/IBM@IBMTW cc: Y.C Tseng/Taiwan/IBM@IBMTW, Chung-Chia Ho/Taiwan/Contr/IBM@IBMTW, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu @ internet Subject: Re: Help! Hard drive BIOS test error ;-( On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:31:49 -0400 "Y.C Tseng" writes: >Hello, > > I just got a new Hitach 2.1 GB hard drive for my ThinkPad 760ELD. >After >putting it into my ThinkPad, >I tried to test this drive in the BIOS setup menu, then got a red >error cross >mark with the following lines: > > DEV 017 > ERR 16 > FRU 6010 > >Could someone kindly point me out what meanings do they respect to? >Thanks a >lots! > >Best regards, >Yen-chiun Tseng > Okay, first of all, is this a new drive, with no information? If so, follow the steps below: 1. Boot up the machine into Easy Setup holding Fn-F1 until you get there. 2. Go to test machine, and press CONTROL-A, you should see some new icons. 3. Then press CONTROL-F, and you should see a hard drive icon. This low-level formats the hard drive and DESTROYS everything on it, so only use it if you know what you're doing. 4. Click on it with the mouse. Press enter until you see a box that says Cylinder x or something like that. I don't want to do this, so I don't remember what it says. 5. Email me and the list, and tell me how it went. Good luck. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 00:16:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259838190; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:16:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02471; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:14:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02329; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02311; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl ([207.146.55.215]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA3853; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 04:13:31 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970829000835.0098f660@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:08:35 -0400 To: Alvin Tan Hong Seong From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: wtb 760 ac adapter Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, ssh@wwsi.com, pkhoury@juno.com In-Reply-To: <3406D9F5.F58EB20@singnet.com.sg> References: <3.0.1.32.19970828142519.009d32c0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> <3.0.1.32.19970828184221.0098e100@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> <3406084B.AE17BB59@wwsi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:17 AM 8/29/97 -0400, you wrote: >The 765 power supply requires a 56W while the others from 760XD >downwards use the 35W power supply. This is in part due to the higher >drain from the 13.3 LCD panel I think. > OK - I see now - it's completely different from the 760 series. I was confused and thought it used the same adapter. The only 765 I've seen was at COMDEX in June, and it was in a docking station. I was so dazzled by the screen that it never occurred to me to ask any meaningful questions beyond how heavy was it and how many more $$$ did they want for it! Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 08:32:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020977941; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:32:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21953; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:26:36 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21776; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id IAA06070; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.apc.net ([207.211.19.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06279; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 02:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp10186.la.inreach.net (ppp10186.la.inreach.net [206.18.112.186]) by mail.apc.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id fa334573 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:16:07 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.apc.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:56:26 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: a couple deals Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I get a email weekly special list from SurplusDirect, http://www.surplusdirect.com/email.sd and a couple items looked like they might interest list members. Here is a segment from the mailer, prices on the web page are higher, so make sure you tell them it is from the email flyer (and better have signed up for it too!). A few other items on the web page looked good too. New! Famous Maker 3.2GB IDE Hard Drive - $199.88* New! Teac Combo 700 Internal Cartridge Tape Drive - $59.88* New! Magic Xpress 33.6 Internal Data/Fax Modem - $49.88* New! Tamarack Documan 1200C Color Sheetfed Scanner - $119.88* New! Genoa Phantom 4mb 3D video card W/ - $30 rebate - $49.88* ****($79.88 Value Price - $30.00 Manufacturer's Rebate = $49.88 Final Cost)**** New! Novell Ethernet Combo Card - $19.88* Microhelp Powerdesk - $7.88* New! IBM Thinkpad Docking Station - $39.88* _________________________________________________________ *Prices good through 5:00pm PST, Tuesday, September 2, 1997 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 10:47:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA042096059; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:47:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28181; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:44:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27994; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27982; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egiles (port11.netpathway.com [208.137.139.26]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26236 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:44:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199708291444.JAA26236@sammy.netpathway.com> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: a couple deals Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:37:03 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am on their mailing list also, and was going to post a few of these items here also. I thought that the $39 for the docking station was a decent deal, so I picked one up for my 760ED even though I will probably never use it. I am really not sure what model it is, since they did not give an IBM part number. Anyone have an idea? Also, could it be possible for a 701c to work with this unit? It was not listed as one of the compatible systems, but I remember hearing of a docking adaptor that would allow the 701 to be used with some of the docking stations. Thanks- Eric Giles ---------- > From: Mike Ford > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: a couple deals > Date: Friday, August 29, 1997 1:56 AM > > I get a email weekly special list from SurplusDirect, > http://www.surplusdirect.com/email.sd > and a couple items looked like they might interest list members. > > Here is a segment from the mailer, prices on the web page are higher, so > make sure you tell them it is from the email flyer (and better have signed > up for it too!). A few other items on the web page looked good too. > > New! Famous Maker 3.2GB IDE Hard Drive - $199.88* > New! Teac Combo 700 Internal Cartridge Tape Drive - $59.88* > New! Magic Xpress 33.6 Internal Data/Fax Modem - $49.88* > New! Tamarack Documan 1200C Color Sheetfed Scanner - $119.88* > New! Genoa Phantom 4mb 3D video card W/ - $30 rebate - $49.88* > ****($79.88 Value Price - $30.00 Manufacturer's Rebate = $49.88 Final > Cost)**** > New! Novell Ethernet Combo Card - $19.88* > Microhelp Powerdesk - $7.88* > New! IBM Thinkpad Docking Station - $39.88* > _________________________________________________________ > > *Prices good through 5:00pm PST, Tuesday, September 2, 1997 > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 10:58:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA043806734; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:58:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28927; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:56:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28793; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28783; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-142.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.142]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03950; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:56:24 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970829105521.00988430@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:55:21 -0400 To: "Eric Giles" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: a couple deals Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199708291444.JAA26236@sammy.netpathway.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:37 AM 8/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >I am really not sure what model it is, since they did not give an IBM part >number. Anyone have an idea? Also, could it be possible for a 701c to work >with this unit? It was not listed as one of the compatible systems, but I >remember hearing of a docking adaptor that would allow the 701 to be used >with some of the docking stations. > It's the Dock I, and I don't think the 701 adapter will work in it. I'm not certain about that, though. Does anyone else know? http://www.onsale.com is currently auctioning off Dock II's (new and refurbs) as well as the adapter for the 701 and the display shelf, but the price for the Dock II is running $300-400. I didn't pay any attention to the price for the adapter, but the display shelf was running around $20. This series of auctions ends around 12:30PM PDT today. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 11:54:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA052350061; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:54:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03323; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:50:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02935; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02920; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.147.133.164] ([207.147.132.215]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA44 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:50:15 +0000 X-Sender: john-callahan@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708291444.JAA26236@sammy.netpathway.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:53:26 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John Callahan Subject: Re: a couple deals Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I am on their mailing list also, and was going to post a few of these items >here also. I thought that the $39 for the docking station was a decent >deal, so I picked one up for my 760ED even though I will probably never use >it. > I have one of these for my 760E -- it's a Dock I -- that I bought from Surplus direct for $49.99 a while back. I was not happy with my dealings with Surplus Directs customer service department. Even though I get their catalog and am on their mailing list I hesitate to buy from Surplus Direct again. I'm quite happy with the dock. I really use it as a port replicator with speakers. I have a 17" monitor set to 1024 x 768 resolution, external keyboard and mouse, color ink jet printer and a parallel port CD-ROM drive that I use primarily for installing software. It's nice to be able to connect all of these at the same time through the docking port. The only disadvantage is that the Dock I does not support hot or warm docking. The ThinkPad must be shut down before docking or undocking. I do not find this onerous. On advantage of Dock I over a port replicator, besides the available slots and bays, if you need these, is that the Dock I contains contains charging circuitry. I often work on my ThinkPad for a couple of hours away from my desk. I then put the system in the docking station, which automatically recharges the battery while I do work at my desk. In fact, I'm so happy with the docking station that I bought a second Dock I from OnSale for $29.99 a couple of weeks ago. I would probably like the hot docking capability of the Dock II, which OnSale is also selling, but I'm not willing to pay an additional $200 to $300 to get this capability. John Callahan John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research Enetrprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue, Suite 240 Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA (206) 282-7050 Fax: (206) 727-6940 World Wide Web: http://www.itr.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 14:15:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA074168531; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:15:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15446; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:10:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15121; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kensey.clearstation.com (kensey.clearstation.com [207.21.98.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15109; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kensey@localhost) by kensey.clearstation.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10198; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Fairclough To: Mike Ford Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: a couple deals In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I get a email weekly special list from SurplusDirect, > http://www.surplusdirect.com/email.sd > and a couple items looked like they might interest list members. > > Here is a segment from the mailer, prices on the web page are higher, so > make sure you tell them it is from the email flyer (and better have signed > up for it too!). A few other items on the web page looked good too. > > New! Genoa Phantom 4mb 3D video card W/ - $30 rebate - $49.88* > ****($79.88 Value Price - $30.00 Manufacturer's Rebate = $49.88 Final > Cost)**** can anyone speak for Genoa Phantom ?? havent heard of them but i could sure use a 4MB card ! thanks. doug From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 14:20:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA074778801; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:20:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15878; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:17:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15641; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15611; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18986 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:17:03 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCB486.7E1712F0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:18:59 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: ThinkPad List , "mister_zed@geocities.com" , Paul Khoury Subject: RE: same partition booting Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:55:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 53 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think it's a little simpler using OS/2's boot manager. You set up several C: partitions & choose between them. Keep your data & apps on a D: partition. I've done it with OS/2 & MSDOS. Tom ---------- From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@earthlink.net] Sent: 1997 August 22 - Friday 18:51 To: ThinkPad List; mister_zed@geocities.com Subject: Re: same partition booting On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:23:15 +0200, Ziemowit Jankowski wrote: >Paul Khoury wrote: >> >> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:34:09 -0400, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: >> >> >How did you get them all in the same partition? Or do you mean all booting as "C:" >> > >> >---------- >> Okay, this is sort of complicated, so I recommend a whole day if >> anyone does this. And if it doesn't work, don't blame me (disclaimer!). >> >> First install PC-DOS 6.3, then Windows 3.11, then Windows 95, which will ask if you wish >> to preserve your DOS/Win3.11, and then OS/2 Warp (3.0 recomended), then Windows NT 4.0. >> >> Someday, I'll get all this done on a clone machine to make sure it all works okay. >> >> Paul > > >Paul! > >Well, except for the OS/2 Warp part everything works exactly the same >way as you described on the clones that I've got. I believe though it >is not possible to also boot Linux from the same partition (it will be >the same disk, but you have to run fdisk when switching forth and back >between DOS/Win16/Win32 and Linux environments). > >Ziemowit Jankowski > I don't see how OS/2 won't work. And you can still use Linux with the UMSDOS fs, but it isn't supported. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 15:17:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA085842235; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:17:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20365; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:12:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20086; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clark.net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20051; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shin_hw.clark.net (shin-hw.clark.net [168.143.13.19]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA24298 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970829151015.00821180@clark.net> X-Sender: shin_hw@clark.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:10:18 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Henry Shin Subject: Can the Cd player on Dock I play audio CD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I just purchased a used Thinkpad Dock I with internal CD player. The CD works fine with the data CD's, but it will not play any audio CD's. The drive physically spins but not a peep. I am using this on TP760E with Windows95. Any suggestions? Thanks! Best, Henry BTW, I am selling a brand new SelectADock II with all the cables, docs, and software sealed for $350. Any takers? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 17:10:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA104489034; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:10:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28665; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:07:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28553; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netnevada.net (mail.netnevada.net [208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28543; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.218.122.20] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.0) id A9EC55300EE; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:06:52 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970829140442.032f7ac8@mail.netnevada.net> X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:04:42 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: re: dock 1 for $25.99 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >One disadvantage of the Dock 1 vs. port replicator: the dock has Quick Q, did we establish if this thing will work with a 701? ------------------------------------------ - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Systems Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted Messages Preffered - ------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 17:31:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA108300280; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:31:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29505; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:28:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29394; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vader.dhs.com (root@vader.dhs.com [198.69.202.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29378; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jim ([198.69.202.22]) by vader.dhs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA18621; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:27:26 -0500 Message-Id: <34073EFD.4999@cyberramp.net> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:28:29 -0500 From: Jim McGhee Reply-To: jmcghee@cyberramp.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Vernon Brooks Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dock 1 for $25.99 References: <3.0.3.32.19970829140442.032f7ac8@mail.netnevada.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The Dock I will NOT work on a TP701. A Dock II WILL work, but ONLY with an adapter which I usually see for about $100. Jim Vernon Brooks wrote: > > >One disadvantage of the Dock 1 vs. port replicator: the dock has > > Quick Q, did we establish if this thing will work with a 701? > > ------------------------------------------ > - Vernon Brooks - > - Net Nevada Systems Administrator - > - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - > - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - > - Encrypted Messages Preffered - > ------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 17:43:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA109880984; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:43:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00117; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:40:32 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29874; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id RAA08259; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28232; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-e-59.usc.edu [128.125.222.203]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id NAA16765; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970829135840.00715dac@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:58:50 -0700 To: Doug Fairclough From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: a couple deals Cc: Mike Ford , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:57 AM 8/29/97 -0700, Doug Fairclough wrote: > >> I get a email weekly special list from SurplusDirect, >> http://www.surplusdirect.com/email.sd >> and a couple items looked like they might interest list members. >> >> Here is a segment from the mailer, prices on the web page are higher, so >> make sure you tell them it is from the email flyer (and better have signed >> up for it too!). A few other items on the web page looked good too. >> >> New! Genoa Phantom 4mb 3D video card W/ - $30 rebate - $49.88* >> ****($79.88 Value Price - $30.00 Manufacturer's Rebate = $49.88 Final >> Cost)**** > >can anyone speak for Genoa Phantom ?? havent heard of them but i could >sure use a 4MB card ! I can't say I would really "trust" a $50 video card that purports to have 4 MB on it. I know it costs more, but I'd be much more favorable to recommending Matrox's latest Millenium II for about $200 (same 4 MB). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 17:46:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110401185; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:46:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27238; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:41:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26976; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (phr@netcom10.netcom.com [192.100.81.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26873; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA06151; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:39:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:39:24 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199708292039.NAA06151@netcom10.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: dock 1 for $25.99 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ouch... incredible... I paid something like $300 for mine less than a year or so and found it useless for what I intended it for (convenient way to use a scsi cd-rom with my 755cx)... I've seen them in the $100 range after that but now it's gotten ridiculous. One disadvantage of the Dock 1 vs. port replicator: the dock has a fan, so it makes noise whenever you use it. I really like quiet when I'm working and am even trying to figure out how to configure my software so I can spin my disk down most of the time (storing files on a pcmcia flash card, etc.). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 18:20:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA115553234; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:20:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01847; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:17:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01692; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01670; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA05749; Fri, 29 Aug 97 12:17:33 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA24511; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:17:51 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199708292217.MAA24511@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: a couple deals To: rwhittle@usa.net (Randal Whittle) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 12:17:32 HST Cc: kensey@clearstation.com, michaelford@usa.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970829135840.00715dac@rcf.usc.edu>; from "Randal Whittle" at Aug 29, 97 1:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Responding to: > >can anyone speak for Genoa Phantom ?? havent heard of them but i could > >sure use a 4MB card ! Randal Whittle said: > > I can't say I would really "trust" a $50 video card that purports to have > 4 MB on it. Genoa cards have a reputation for using innovative tricks to get surprisingly good performance despite price-reducing shortcuts. In particular, they used to have some tricks for getting near-VRAM performance from cheap DRAM chips (or is it the other way around? I get these ?RAMs confused!). I haven't looked at this card, but I'll bet it is surprisingly good for the money (though likely not as good as more expensive, better-known brands). As a caveat, I had a genoa card about 9 years ago that was pretty bad (though to give them credit, Genoa did a good job of supporting the thing, and the utilities that came with the card were pretty extensive). I think SurplusDirect is being bought by Egghead, for what that's worth. - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 18:44:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA119564644; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:44:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02561; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:41:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02431; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsrv1.pcy.mci.net (mailsrv1.pcy.mci.net [204.71.0.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02298; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ripston (usr9-dialup19.mix1.WillowSprings.mci.net) by MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-9 #10044) with ESMTP id <01IN0SQTAPJ89FMZKF@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:37:11 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:36:26 -0400 From: Neil Ripston Subject: ThinkPad 760 ED and Memphis Beta 2 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IN0SQU2T2E9FMZKF@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anybody tried this yet. I'm going to give it a shot tonight I think. If anybody has any insight, please let me know. Thanks, Neil Ripston From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Aug 29 21:20:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA142224028; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:20:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06733; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:15:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06537; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1c.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.136]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06527; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dach.demon.co.uk ([194.222.61.229]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027276; 30 Aug 97 1:51 BST Received: by chris with Microsoft Mail id <01BCB4E7.93ED9FC0@chris>; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 01:53:57 +0100 Message-Id: <01BCB4E7.93ED9FC0@chris> From: Chris Alba To: "'sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil'" , "'Fredmmill@aol.com'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Cc: "'Don Rich'" Subject: Maillist Burned Out Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:41:14 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu C'mon guys. Scott only asked for a little advice (anyone remember the = charter for this maillist?). The "Attitude" started with Fredmmill's = shouting "WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?" followed by "you are shit out of luck - = now aren't you?". Now we get "your mom and dad taught you manners - = didn't they?". Well really, enough said. ( Btw - it's good to see a little livelyness here though :] ) Chris chris@dach.demon.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Fredmmill@aol.com [SMTP:Fredmmill@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 1997 4:30 PM To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' Subject: Re: FW: LED Burned Out In a message dated 97-08-28 06:42:28 EDT, you write: <<=20 If this is the kind of help/attitude we take on this listserv, please don't email me w/ your "help"!!! (Follow the msgs below) =20 Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 CPT, SC Fax: 724-7680 Communications Systems Engineer Project Support Directorate =09 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bronson, Scott E. CPT=20 > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 11:27 PM > To: 'Fredmmill@aol.com' > Subject: RE: LED Burned Out >=20 > Nice language!!!!!! Thanks for the help....... >=20 > Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 > CPT, SC Fax: 724-7680 > Communications Systems Engineer > Project Support Directorate =09 > 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" > Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Fredmmill@aol.com [SMTP:Fredmmill@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 3:55 PM > To: SBRONSON@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > Subject: Re: LED Burned Out >=20 > Well, I am so sorry that I did not realize you are overseas. In that > case, I > guess you are shit out of luck... Now, aren't you? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Can't believe you're suggesting sending it back to IBM for a burned > out LED. Look at my email address, I'd be shipping it from Korea =20 >=20 > Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 > CPT, SC Fax: 724-7680 > Communications Systems Engineer > Project Support Directorate =09 > 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" > Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Fredmmill@aol.com [SMTP:Fredmmill@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 7:22 AM > To: SBRONSON@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > Subject: Re: LED Burned Out >=20 > Why not just tsend it back to IBm and have them fix it.. It has been > my > experience, using its "easyserve," taht you will get the unit back in > less > than 72 hours. >> Dear Sir/Madam:=20 Did you ever take the time to think that maybe it is your attitude that = is out of line? =20 I was at least nice enough to take the time to send you, what I thought = at the time, to be a helpful suggestion. Granted, I did not realize at = that time that you are geographically disadvantaged with respect to IBM's = service centers. But instead of then just recognizing the obvious - no, you = have to reply with "look at my address, I can't believe you. . ." With all due respect sir/madam - I niether did nor do care that much to carefully = inspect your address. I have enough to do without worrying about your life too. = So if you wish to get your nose out of joint - that is your problem... But = do me a favor and everyone else: don't cut their arm off because they did not = first take the time to carefully inspect YOUR address before attempting to = help you.=20 Instead say nothing, say thank you - just be polite... I am confident = that your mom and dad taught you manners - didn't they? Getting your reply to my first message was rather rude and insulting. = So what do you expect sir/madam? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 30 00:05:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA161063959; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:05:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10892; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:02:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10787; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns3.interserf.net (ns3.interserf.net [205.244.8.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10777; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from serfer56.interserf.net (serfer56.interserf.net [205.244.8.245]) by ns3.interserf.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA06711 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:02:10 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970830000713.0071d0d0@mail.interserf.net> X-Sender: vicgonzlez@mail.interserf.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:07:13 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vic Gonzalez Subject: Dock II = SelectaDock II? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all- Does anyone know if the Thinkpad Dock II (mentioned as compatible with 701C) is the same as the Selectadock II? -Vic From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 30 00:12:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA161444335; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:12:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11139; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:10:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11039; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitvma.mit.edu (SMTP2@MITVMA.MIT.EDU [18.92.0.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11028; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708300409.AAA11028@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7970; Sat, 30 Aug 97 00:08:57 EDT Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin ALASKA@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2b/1.8b) with BSMTP id 0489; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:07:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 23:37:57 EDT From: Russ Carpenito Subject: Re: a couple deals To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:37:03 -0500 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:37:03 -0500 you said: >I am on their mailing list also, and was going to post a few of these items >here also. I thought that the $39 for the docking station was a decent >deal, so I picked one up for my 760ED even though I will probably never use >it. > >I am really not sure what model it is, since they did not give an IBM part >number. Anyone have an idea? Also, could it be possible for a 701c to work Just looked at the web page. The unit in question is the Dock I (3545) which should be compatible with any 750/755/760 and some 3xx series. It is -not- compatible with a 701. The adaptor 701 kit is for the Dock II, (3546) which be somewhat larger, mate. I can't say too much about the dock I as I don't have one, but I do have a fully decked out dock II I share with my wife (her 701cs, my 760el) So I can answer questions about that. (that and the 701 adapter info explicitly excludes the dock I) The Dock I has some nice things though, besides cheap, it is portable. (built in handle?) Also check Onsale, as they have had -both- dock versions within the last month or so. (price for the -I about the same or somewhat higher, the -II has been going for around $300 last I checked.) Any questions feel free to email me at alaska@mitvma.mit.edu russ carpenito p.s. note there are also 2 selectadocks which are newer tech, I have very little clue about those. I do know the upper end one has something like 3 PCI slots.....I think only compatible with 760, maybe 755. The IBM website would have more info. >with this unit? It was not listed as one of the compatible systems, but I >remember hearing of a docking adaptor that would allow the 701 to be used >with some of the docking stations. > >Thanks- > >Eric Giles > >---------- >> text deleted >> From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 30 00:44:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA165106244; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:44:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13954; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:41:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13212; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13150; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-110.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.110]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA148316; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 04:41:40 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970830004030.00975100@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:40:30 -0400 To: Vic Gonzalez From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Dock II = SelectaDock II? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970830000713.0071d0d0@mail.interserf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:07 AM 8/30/97 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know if the Thinkpad Dock II (mentioned as compatible with >701C) is the same as the Selectadock II? > No, they're not the same, and I don't believe the 701 adapter will work in the SelectaDock. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 30 11:21:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229774502; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:21:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00206; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:18:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29989; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ginger.teleport.com (ginger.teleport.com [192.108.254.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29979; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip-pdx03-14.teleport.com (ip-pdx03-14.teleport.com [206.163.123.79]) by ginger.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA29530 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708301518.IAA29530@ginger.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: New Thinkpad Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Someone last week mentioned the upcoming (next week I think) announcment of a TP with a new processor using the code name Tillamook, I believe, what is this new chip a Pentium II/derivitive? I have heard the names Tillamook and Merced bantered about but am unclear as to what suppose to be what. Are we to expect innovation and the upgradability that was talked about I wonder? Bryan 701C From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 30 14:11:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248094719; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:11:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04929; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:09:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04816; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mongkok.hk.super.net (root@mongkok.hk.super.net [202.14.67.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04806; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peak (port044-86.accessv.com [209.50.86.44]) by mongkok.hk.super.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA19464; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 02:08:46 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <34086116.C398D3A8@hk.super.net> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:06:14 -0400 From: Byron Lee Reply-To: byron@HK.Super.NET X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless Cc: Vic Gonzalez , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Dock II = SelectaDock II? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.32.19970830004030.00975100@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jane Loyless wrote: > > At 12:07 AM 8/30/97 -0400, you wrote: > > >Does anyone know if the Thinkpad Dock II (mentioned as compatible with > >701C) is the same as the Selectadock II? > > > > No, they're not the same, and I don't believe the 701 adapter will work in > the SelectaDock. I am using the Selectadock II now. It only supports the PCI-based ThinkPads which is the 760E (or later) series. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Aug 30 17:08:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA270095302; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:08:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09017; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:04:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08801; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08791; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13086 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1997 21:04:48 -0000 Received: from hezron-35.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.165) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 1997 21:04:48 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Thinkpad Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:04:45 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <34088988.1066887@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199708301518.IAA29530@ginger.teleport.com> In-Reply-To: <199708301518.IAA29530@ginger.teleport.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:18:32 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Someone last week mentioned the upcoming (next week I think) announcment= of >a TP with a new processor using the code name Tillamook, I believe, what= is >this new chip a Pentium II/derivitive? I have heard the names Tillamook= and >Merced bantered about but am unclear as to what suppose to be what. =20 > >Are we to expect innovation and the upgradability that was talked about = I >wonder? The below is from a post to comp.sys.laptops yesterday: =20 "From a PCWeek Online article titled "Intel's notebook CPU Power Play" dated 8/29/97..... IBM Personal Computer Co., of Somers, N.Y., will announce several models of the ThinkPad 770, including a high-end model that features a 14.1-inch screen and a Digital Video Disk drive, sources said." Now, the Tillamook is the mobile version of the Pentium II, but the upgradeable model uses what's called an MMO board - a small daughterboard for the chip so that it can be changed. The intent behind this was *not* to make laptops upgradeable, and few mfgs are touting it as such; it's purpose is to enable the mfgs to release a faster system when the chips come out without having to redesign and retool. Odds are that the MMO will be as inaccessible as possible, and that upgrading will void your warranty. It's also a sure bet that someone will release a 3rd part upgrade for users, either as a service or a DIY kit. epbrown |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown=20 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||= ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 31 18:33:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA127556795; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:33:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17165; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:26:21 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16901; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id SAA18716; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitvma.mit.edu (SMTP2@MITVMA.MIT.EDU [18.92.0.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12185; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708300428.AAA12185@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 8100; Sat, 30 Aug 97 00:27:37 EDT Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin ALASKA@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2b/1.8b) with BSMTP id 1802; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:27:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 97 00:24:26 EDT From: Russ Carpenito Subject: Re: Dock II = SelectaDock II? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:07:13 -0400 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:07:13 -0400 you said: >Hi all- >Does anyone know if the Thinkpad Dock II (mentioned as compatible with >701C) is the same as the Selectadock II? >-Vic Nope; different beast. I am fairly sure the 701 adapter kit only works with the dock II, not the Dock I or selectadocks (both versions.) The docs (sorry) for the adapter kit came out before the selectadocks did. Of course someone can always call IBM to verify..... :-) russ c. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 31 21:32:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144617534; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:32:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20125; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:28:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20027; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melati.singnet.com.sg (melati.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20016; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guest.telkom.go.id ([202.134.0.5]) by melati.singnet.com.sg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06568 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:28:00 +0800 (SST) Message-Id: <340AB4C0.268138E0@singnet.com.sg> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:27:44 -0400 From: Alvin Tan Hong Seong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Wrist Rest for laptops X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I'm looking for a wrist rest of suitable size and length for laptop computers, and I found a profusion of them in the net. Can anyone recommend one? I like those gel-filled ones and I have one at home (its a Fellowes wrist rest). Are there any gel-filled wrist rests for laptops? Does anyone know where I can get it via mail order? Thanks! Alvin Tan 760XD From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Aug 31 23:06:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA153333211; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:06:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21515; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:02:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21423; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21408; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unkle.uplanet.com (host-166-182.uplanet.com [204.163.166.182]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA26496; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 20:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970831195702.0087a3e0@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 19:57:02 -0700 To: Alvin Tan Hong Seong , ThinkPad List From: Jesse Montrose Subject: Re: Wrist Rest for laptops In-Reply-To: <340AB4C0.268138E0@singnet.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:27 AM 9/1/97 -0400, Alvin Tan Hong Seong wrote: >I'm looking for a wrist rest of suitable size and length for laptop >computers, and I found a profusion of them in the net. > >Can anyone recommend one? I like those gel-filled ones and I have one >at home (its a Fellowes wrist rest). Are there any gel-filled wrist >rests for laptops? > >Does anyone know where I can get it via mail order? I use one from Silicon Sports, it's a light, hard, thin, foam-coated platform that the laptop sits on, with a wrist-rest attached to one side. I got it at Good Guys, a local consumer electronics chain, for ~$20. I imagine you might be able to find a mail order house that carries them. My wife uses one from Kensington Sports that costs the same, it has a hard plastic frame around the wrist-rest (the part your hands touch is padded) and is shaped a bit differently. I don't like this one, but she likes it fine. I got it at www.isn.com, and I believe they'll accept a return if you don't like it. Neither of these are gel-filled. The thing I like about these "platform" types is that you can use them fine on your lap, in fact, I still use it, turned upside down (wrist-rest in back) even though I switched to a 560. They make the heat much easier to bear (I used to set my laptop on a book to prevent groin-scorch). ______________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose www.spine.com "stumbo gonna suck off your face, stumbo gonna step on the human race"