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> this is true, but it is the *only* i can athink of to get a true > directory without "ls" and there isn't much there so you'll end up with > very little.. you will only get files in teh current dictory and you'll > get errors on the directories (thus you'll know their names!) Actually, the "ls" command at your ftp client will work. It's the "dir" command that won't work. (on the other end, "ls" is often implemented directly by the ftp server, but "dir" runs "/bin/ls -l". Since the anonymous ftp session has its root directory set to the top of the ftp tree, there has to be a copy of ls in ~ftp/bin/ls for the "dir" command to work.) Keith