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Hi - ISDN is flate rate here in California (after 5pm and Weekends). $23.95 During the day it's priced at standard message unit rates for voice. Pacific Bell is rumored to announce IP/ISDN over sync PPP in Jan. Price is TBD. You can check out the offerings at http://www.pacbell.com Don't forget that the other end, ie the service provider, is the killer here. Most IP/Internet providers want ~$150/mo, luckily there are a few lower cost ones around. Gentle flame: Too bad the Wave Runner is just an ISDN Terminal Adapter (T/A) though, the thought of all that nice synchronous bandwidth accessible only as an async terminal connection is a drag.The thought of doing Hayes AT-DT async modem command sets over a digital link, sigh... Where are the NDIS3 PPP drivers so that one can use the thing as an IP or IPX forwarder, over Sync PPP, which most others (Ascend/Combinet/Digiboard etc) support ? Are they shipping, today ? Using ISDN *only* for T/A's is silly, it hides all the nice things about ISDN and turns it into a slightly faster analog phone line equivalent for Procomm. I want my machine to be *ON* the remote network, exchanging network layer traffic, not dialed in to some weird ISDN modem gateway doober somewhere. Gentle Flame off. I've tried an Ascend Pipeline-50, it's a router and MAC bridge (brouter) in one. Discounted price with internal NT-1 $ 1000. One box services an entire local net. Works great for remote offices, telecommuters etc. Can bond both B channels for 112 Kb service, as Pac Bell only offers 56Kb/B channel intra-LATA. With an external NT-1 and the Ascend, one can have an ISDN phone on one B Channel too. I don't work for Ascend. Credit where credit is due though, IBM did do a nice job in cramming the DSP for an analog modem and the ISDN stuff on to one. now if they put Ascend type functionality in that PCMCIA card... Wow. geoff