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> I've found myself in the need for C++ and my little 170 drive doesn't quite > have the 125Meg spare it needs. I hope you're not referring to Borland C++. I'm not sure about Visual C++, but when Borland says that you need 125Megs, they mean on your hard disk. Many of those files are the compiler, linker, loader, libraries, include files, ... Borland takes a long time to compile with *all* the files on the hard drive, let alone if you're trying to run off a CD-ROM drive. If I remember correctly, the minimum installation (BC++ 4.52) requires 35 Megs. BTW, Borland C++ has an outstanding development environment. It also is the only PC compiler which is using the Engineering Design Solutions (EDS) compiler front-end. EDS is the only front end available which properly handles C++ templates. Robert