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On Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:31:12 -1000, you wrote: >Not necessarily (though as epbrown knows, I've been accused on Usenet of >being an agent of IBM:); my only objection to the HP is the keyboard (I've >never had my hands on the Toshiba). I shared a flat during a conference 2 >years ago with an HP600 owner, and got to play with his machine for a bit; I >was pleasantly surprised at the *feel* of his keyboard, but not the size - I >like full-sized. BTW, I found the pop-up mouse quite usable, though of >course I *am* right-handed. I had no problem with the HP 800 keyboard I tried out, but at the time I was still regularly using the keyboard on my Thinkpad 510, and it seemed larger than that. I've got fairly large hands (they match my big ol' feet, size 15!), but didn't have too much trouble adjusting. But that mouse! The problem is the first computer I ever ran Windows on was a Thinkpad and I can't get used to removing my hands from the keyboard to move my cursor. At work I'm known for my terrible mousing skills because it seems so ridiculous. You stop what you're doing and move your hand waaaay over there just to move your cursor? Yeck! So people who're used to that love the HP 800, while I see it as the only notebook to drag along one of the worst features of desktop computing. epbrown PS As an aside to DR, I just exchanged email with the guy who accused us of being undercover IBM reps on CSL- he needed help setting up low-cost video-conferencing on his IBM 385, and I had some tips since I just bought a $24 QuickCam to use with NetMeeting (free) and my 56k modem (already had). PPS You were partially right about Sony, you may have heard. You said months ago they jump in and out of the PC business, and they're taking a foot out - they've decided to focus on laptops and drop the desktop division, where everyone plays too rough and they weren't as well received. Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown