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If you been partially released from the NDA, can you discuss how good it runs compared to WIN31? Of course that is not always valid to compare betas as some betas are faster than the released code. You cannot always trust a feature in the beta to be in the release and it seem that there has been some added features recently unveiled. In light of past experience I get a chuckle over heavy discussions about how great WIN95 is. It may be but I rather wait until it is released. My personal opinion is to keep it on the list and put an WIN95: in front. I would think that there would be an Win95 mailing list already. 73 Eric eac@world.std.com soon to be eac@shore.net