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"...it's usually the first time someone has used a microphone." i didn't mean that in a condescending way. what i meant is that it's usually the first time a microphone has been added that audio device. sorry about that :-) Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. --Popular Mechanics, 1949