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> >Mac came along), while their early Vectra PC-compatibles were painfully > >proprietary. > > If you think they're proprietary, look at Compaq. At least Compaq can run MSDOS out of the box. As I recall the Vectras, they ran CPM-86 OK, but spoke a very strange dialect of DOS (even wierder than the one the Sanyos ran). BTW, a friend had an HP of about the same vintage; the keyboard had two little perpendicular wheels for fast and precise cursor control - worked great, but seems to have totally disappeared as a concept until the recent introduction of a single wheel on the new MS mice. - David