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Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad (John H. Kim)
Re: thinkpad digest for Sun, 31 Mar 1996 (William Ng)
Re: 750s round the world (Christoph Eyrich)
Re: Charging 701C when powered off? (Randy Whittle)
Re: Charging 701C when powered off? (Randy Whittle)
(Dan Lam)
new member (Chris Hanson)
OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help! (Chris Hanson)
Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad (image@amanda.dorsai.org)
TP701 battery pack 'life expectancy'? (Christoph Eyrich)
Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad (John H. Kim)
Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup (John H. Kim)
Re: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help! (Robert Dewar)
Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad (Vince Wayland)
introduction (Gabriel Ash)
Re: introduction (Robert Dewar)
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Re: introduction (Gabriel Ash)
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Any Mwave drivers for NT? (Barry A Starrfield)
Full Screen DOS Applications (Alex Judd)
Re: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help! (fwd) (Christoph Eyrich)
Re: Full Screen DOS Applications (Robert Dewar)
Re: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help! (fwd) (Robert Dewar)
Re: Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup (Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus)
Re: Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup (John H. Kim)
Re: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help! (Paulo Magalhaes)
Re: Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup (Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus)
Optimize memory on 701 & QEMM? (Dennis Pantazis)
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In-Reply-To: <9603312216.AA05454@mod.civil.su.OZ.AU>
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 12:40:40 -0500
From: "John H. Kim" <jokim@tuna.mit.edu>
To: Murray Clarke <M.Clarke@civil.su.oz.au>
CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960401122353.12959A-100000@tuna.mit.edu>
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Murray Clarke wrote:
> I have a Thinkpad 755CE and wish to upgrade the hard disk drive from 540 MB
> to 1.2GB. The prices of these drives as quoted from IBM or a third party,
> which include the (proprietary) caddy that houses the drive, are quite
> expensive. It is my understanding, however, that the drive itself is a
> standard 2.5" drive. I would like to know if anyone has had experience in
> opening the plastic caddy that houses the drive and installing a 2.5" inch
> drive of higher capacity. What sort of drives are recommended?
Several people have done it. Most 2.5" drives are 19mm. You need a 12mm
or 17mm drive to fit inside the caddy. This limits your choice of hard
drives: I think only IBM makes the 17mm drives, and there are only a
couple companies making 12mm drives > 1GB. Most 2.5" drives are 19mm.
You may be able to get a 19mm drive to fit if you do without the caddy,
but that'll expose the hard drive electronics every time you swap the
battery.
Don Whiteside had a good description of the procedure on his old web
page (RIP). Lift up the corners of the ///////// label and undo the
two screws there. Take care to catch the nuts that fall out the other
side when you do this. Use a jewler's screwdriver to pry apart the side
of the caddy: Loosen all the snaps on the side, then gently pry it apart.
This step will cause you no end of frustration until you have it apart
and get a good look at how the whole thing works. Once it's open, make
note of exactly which pins the connector mates with on the hard drive
(there's an extra column of pins, sometimes covered by a jumpe
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Today's topics:
Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad (John H. Kim)
Re: thinkpad digest for Sun, 31 Mar 1996 (William Ng)
Re: 750s round the world (Christoph Eyrich)
Re: Charging 701C when powered off? (Randy Whittle)
Re: Charging 701C when powered off? (Randy Whittle)
(Dan Lam)
new member (Chris Hanson)
OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help! (Chris Hanson)
Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad (image@amanda.dorsai.org)
TP701 battery pack 'life expectancy'? (Christoph Eyrich)
Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad (John H. Kim)
Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup (John H. Kim)
Re: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help! (Robert Dewar)
Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad (Vince Wayland)
introduction (Gabriel Ash)
Re: introduction (Robert Dewar)
Unsubscribe (silbersp@access.digex.net)
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Re: introduction (Gabriel Ash)
Re: introduction (John H. Kim)
Any Mwave drivers for NT? (Barry A Starrfield)
Full Screen DOS Applications (Alex Judd)
Re: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help! (fwd) (Christoph Eyrich)
Re: Full Screen DOS Applications (Robert Dewar)
Re: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help! (fwd) (Robert Dewar)
Re: Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup (Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus)
Re: Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup (John H. Kim)
Re: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help! (Paulo Magalhaes)
Re: Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup (Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus)
Optimize memory on 701 & QEMM? (Dennis Pantazis)
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In-Reply-To: <9603312216.AA05454@mod.civil.su.OZ.AU>
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 12:40:40 -0500
From: "John H. Kim" <jokim@tuna.mit.edu>
To: Murray Clarke <M.Clarke@civil.su.oz.au>
CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960401122353.12959A-100000@tuna.mit.edu>
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Murray Clarke wrote:
> I have a Thinkpad 755CE and wish to upgrade the hard disk drive from 540 MB
> to 1.2GB. The prices of these drives as quoted from IBM or a third party,
> which include the (proprietary) caddy that houses the drive, are quite
> expensive. It is my understanding, however, that the drive itself is a
> standard 2.5" drive. I would like to know if anyone has had experience in
> opening the plastic caddy that houses the drive and installing a 2.5" inch
> drive of higher capacity. What sort of drives are recommended?
Several people have done it. Most 2.5" drives are 19mm. You need a 12mm
or 17mm drive to fit inside the caddy. This limits your choice of hard
drives: I think only IBM makes the 17mm drives, and there are only a
couple companies making 12mm drives > 1GB. Most 2.5" drives are 19mm.
You may be able to get a 19mm drive to fit if you do without the caddy,
but that'll expose the hard drive electronics every time you swap the
battery.
Don Whiteside had a good description of the procedure on his old web
page (RIP). Lift up the corners of the ///////// label and undo the
two screws there. Take care to catch the nuts that fall out the other
side when you do this. Use a jewler's screwdriver to pry apart the side
of the caddy: Loosen all the snaps on the side, then gently pry it apart.
This step will cause you no end of frustration until you have it apart
and get a good look at how the whole thing works. Once it's open, make
note of exactly which pins the connector mates with on the hard drive
(there's an extra column of pins, sometimes covered by a jumper). Swap
drives, put everything back together.
If Don still has his instructions around, maybe he can post them.
Another trick is to buy one of those cheap 170MB drives with caddy
we've seen on closeout ($49 or so). Toss the 170 in the trash (or
mail it to me :) and use the caddy for your new 1.2GB drive.
--
John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like
jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April." -- Bob Dole
jokim@tuna.mit.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word 'taxes'
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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 09:45:22 -0800
From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng)
To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Sun, 31 Mar 1996
Message-Id: <9604011745.AA18893@berlioz.nsc.com>
> From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Mar 31 15:10:54 1996
> Return-Path: <owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
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> >Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 17:47:14 -0500
> >From: biosas@netcom.com (Randall Downer)
> >X-Sender: biosas@127.0.0.1
> >
> >David, give me your linux kernal version and the EXACT X problem and I
will
> >send you either source or a compiled version of tpdualscan that will solve
> >the problem.
> >
> >Randy...<biosas@netcom.com>
> >
>
> I'm running 1.2.13 (ELF) from the Slackware 3.0 distribution. The exact
> problem is I run startx and get garbage on my screen (it looks like two
> sets of shimmering horizontal lines, one at the top of the screen and the
> other about halfway down).
>
> Will tpdualscan fix this? Do I also need a patched XF86_SVGA?
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> David
>
I had to start Linux from DOS using LOADLIN if I want to use the 800x600
video mode. If I start Linux directly, "startx" fills 2/3 of my screen
with white lines. At that point, I had to hit "ctl-alt-Backspace" to exit
from X. I will be really interested if tpdualscan can fix the problem.
Configuration:
Linux 1.2.13 (Slackware 3.0)
TP755CX with 24MB
-William Ng
wmng@nsc.com
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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 20:03:24 +0100
From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich)
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: 750s round the world
Message-Id: <m0u3osv-000dQbC@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de>
>
> > Do I have to worry at all
> > about plugging my precious TP into those German lines with this setup?
> >
>
> I plugged mine in (with the plug adaptor) in both France and
> Switzerland with no problems...Have fun on the trip!
>
No problem in Germany - I used the original 755CX adapter without
any problems (well, with a different cord, the two prong model).
Christoph Eyrich
---
eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de
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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 11:58:10 -0800
From: whittle@usc.edu (Randy Whittle)
To: Vaidy Sunderam <sunderam@cs.utk.edu>, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Charging 701C when powered off?
Message-Id: <v01530500ad85dbad2016@[128.125.224.47]>
At 7:20 AM 4/1/96, Vaidy Sunderam wrote:
>When I plug my 701C to the ac adapter, it w#008#seems to charge
>the battery only when the computer is powered on. Has anyone
>encountered this or know how to fix it? Thanks
>
>Vaidy Sunderam
Its not a bug, its a feature! ;-)
Oddly enough, the 701C (and it says this in the manual) does *not*
charge the battery unless the machine is on. It can be in suspend (not
hibernate), but as long as the machine is *on*, it will charge--if the
machine is off in any way (including hibernate), the battery does not
charge.
Its just the way its made. I don't know why.
-----
Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle
USC Graduate School of Business
"Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?"
-Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner
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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 11:58:19 -0800
From: whittle@usc.edu (Randy Whittle)
To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar), jokim@tuna.mit.edu, sunderam@cs.utk.edu
CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Charging 701C when powered off?
Message-Id: <v01530501ad85dc3f4247@[128.125.224.47]>
At 9:19 AM 4/1/96, Robert Dewar wrote:
>"This is normal. The battery will only charge with the computer on
>or in suspend. Dunno about hibernate but I doubt it'll charge."
>
>Really?? that's certainly not true on a 700, 720, 755 or 760. Sounds
>like a real disadvantage of the 701.
It is unique to the 701--and I'll admit its quite odd. But what's
the "disadvantage" really? If you're not going to use the computer anyway
(clearly you wouldn't with it "off"), then what do you care whether its
turned on or not?
The easiest way to do it (if you don't want it actively "on") is to
put the machine in suspend--its a little weird, but its not a big deal.
As for the gentleman who said his 701 charges the battery with it
off--check again. Run your battery down to zilch, physically turn your
machine OFF, then plug in your charger. If you have a charged battery the
next day, you've surprised me, other 701 owners, and the IBM'ers who wrote
the manual.
-----
Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle
USC Graduate School of Business
"Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?"
-Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner
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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 12:14:51 -0800
From: Dan Lam <dfl@alumni.caltech.edu>
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960401121416.18125C-100000@alumnae>
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In-Reply-To: <199604010702.HAA20303@skeeve.msc.cornell.edu>
(jjl9@msc.cornell.edu)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 15:23:00 -0500
From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson)
To: jjl9@msc.cornell.edu
CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, jjl9@lynx.msc.cornell.edu
Subject: new member
Message-Id: <m0u3q8r-00002zC@omerie.ai.mit.edu>
From: John Joowon Lee <jjl9@msc.cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 02:02:00 -0500 (EST)
I'm primarily a user of flavors of UNIX and I've been quite happy with
Linux. I've noticed that about every 50 hours of uptime, however,
that Linux continuously accesses the hard-drive for several minutes;
except for olvwm and xterm, there is no correlation with running
applications. I haven't yet figured out what processes are involved.
I am naive with UNIX system administration; if someone should have an
idea about what Linux is doing, I would like to be educated.
It's probably doing a `find' that is part of the daily cron scripts or
something. It's been a while since I used Slackware, but my Debian
distribution has a standard script that runs once a day and scans the
entire file system for setuid scripts. On my system, this script runs
at about 6:45 every morning.
Look in "/var/spool/cron/crontabs/root" to see if there is anything
like that on your system.
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In-Reply-To: <9604010444.AA05505@biobase.dk> (pamaga@biobase.dk)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 15:31:00 -0500
From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson)
To: pamaga@biobase.dk
CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help!
Message-Id: <m0u3qFn-00002zC@omerie.ai.mit.edu>
From: Paulo Magalhaes <pamaga@biobase.dk>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 06:44:42 +0200 (MET DST)
Ok, after too long a delay I finally found the time to install OS/2 Warp
Connect on my little TP750Cs. I set the weekend aside, told friends and
relatives that I was going away for the weekend, backed up all the data,
read the manual, and sat down full of optimism... Never made it past the
first diskette! My trustworthy Panasonic KXL-D720 CD-ROM (at least it is
so under DOS/Windows) remained invisible... I tried all the tricks in my
book: from re-reading the manual to minor modifications in the config.sys;
from cursing to sweet-talking the machine into just taking a brief, brief
look at the nice little CD-ROM player sitting next to it. Nothing would
remove the cloak of invisibility from the poor Panasonic... Help! How do
I install an OS that comes in a CD-ROM when the #&@$(&? thing wont even
see the CD-ROM player? (Yes, it is plugged in, and ON!!!) Thank you, and
forgive the warped (oh, that word again!!!) sense of humour: it is the
frustration of many hours sitting in front of this machine...
You're out of luck.
We purchased one of these units last summer, when USA Flex mistakenly
advertised it as having OS/2 drivers. After a short run-around, we
got a not-very-convincing statement from Panasonic that they would
have OS/2 drivers in "August or September", so we returned the drive
to USA Flex and bought something else.
The drivers were never released (probably not even written), and to
the best of my knowledge there is no way to use that drive with OS/2.
This is not an unusual story for this otherwise fairly nice operating
system.
What's ironic about the story is that the drive was purchased for my
boss, who is the Matsushita Professor of Electrical Engineering here
at MIT.
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In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960401122353.12959A-100000@tuna.mit.edu>
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 15:42:42 -0500
From: <image@amanda.dorsai.org>
To: "John H. Kim" <jokim@tuna.mit.edu>
CC: Murray Clarke <M.Clarke@civil.su.oz.au>, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad
Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960401154216.1975A-100000@amanda>
do you know if it's possible to fit a 19mm into a 701 even without a
caddy? how bad is it to not have a caddy?
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 22:02:47 +0100
From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich)
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: TP701 battery pack 'life expectancy'?
Message-Id: <m0u3qkS-000dQkC@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de>
How many cycles of charging/discharging does the battery pack
of the 701?
I remember having read that older packs did something like 300 to
400 cycles. If this was still an accurate number, running on battery
power while having a socket next to the TP would be an expensive
option.
How about the new LithiumIon pack of the 755CX?
Thanks
Christoph Eyrich
---
eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de
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In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960401154216.1975A-100000@amanda>
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 16:49:01 -0500
From: "John H. Kim" <jokim@tuna.mit.edu>
To: image@amanda.dorsai.org
CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960401164719.13748A-100000@tuna.mit.edu>
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996 image@amanda.dorsai.org wrote:
> do you know if it's possible to fit a 19mm into a 701 even without a
> caddy? how bad is it to not have a caddy?
The 701 takes a 12mm drive. I haven't taken the 701 caddy apart so
I don't know how essential it is. Given the 701's drive slides in
instead of popping down like the 75X, I'd think the caddy is required.
--
John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like
jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April." -- Bob Dole
jokim@tuna.mit.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word 'taxes'
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 16:55:00 -0500
From: "John H. Kim" <jokim@tuna.mit.edu>
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960401164915.13748B-100000@tuna.mit.edu>
After my co-Linux/DOS/Win95 on a 701C install troubles a few weeks,
ago, I managed to tame Win95 and get it to act less hostile towards
other OSes on the hard drive. Here's what happened after Win95 wiped
out [sic] all my data:
A sector went bad on the Linux swap partition, foiling an attempt to
reinstall Linux. I completely repartitioned to put the bad sector in
a (little-used) DOS partition. While doing this and installing OS/2's
boot manager, the hard drive completely died, locked up. The machine
refused to even boot if the hard drive was installed.
Called up EZServ. Sent it in. Got a call next day saying some of the
parts were out of stock and it'd be a while. Got the machine back a
week later. They also fixed a lose keyboard and replaced the cracked
case caused by me forgetting to unplug the AC adapter and walking off
with the machine. They replaced the system board to try to fix the
static on the headphone jack problem, but it only fixed it for the
right speaker. There's still static on the left speaker. I also
found a crack on the side of the top lid. I can't determine if it was
there before the EZServ. This is the first time an EZServ repair has
taken >48 hours for me, but considering they fixed something I broke
(the case), I'm happy.
Anyways, back to my install story. The machine came with a new hard
drive with all the original software. I'd since made Linux boot
floppies with ncftp on them so I was able to back everything up this
time. Whoopee.
First I tried to install all three OSes, using LILO to switch between
them. I discovered that you can have more than one primary partition
visible to DOS/Win, and they're assigned drive letters according to
the order they're on the disk. Since Win95 insists on its own C:
partition, it would interfere with DOS, so LILO wouldn't do what I
wanted.
OS/2's boot manager only allows one active primary partition. It
will switch the unused primary partitions to type 13(?), unknown,
which effectively hides it from DOS/Win. This means DOS and Win95
can each have separate C: drives without knowing about the other's
existence.
After I'd gotten boot manager installed things went smoothly except
for one hitch: Adding a logical drive to the front of the extended
partition can reassign disk labels. My linux boot partition got moved
from /dev/hda6 to /dev/hda7. I was able to boot off floppies (LILO:
linux hd=699,32,63 root=/dev/hda7), reconfigure LILO and reinstall it.
I've been led to believe that Linux is independent of drive labels so
hopefully this won't cause any problems. In retrospect, this is
probably what happened the first time when I thought Win95 had wiped
out my partition table.
So here's how I got everything to work:
1. Partition everything using OS/2's fdisk (run OS/2 fdisk and it'll
install boot manager, then reboot):
primary partitions:
boot manager /dev/hda1
DOS boot (C:) /dev/hda2 FAT
Win95 boot (C:) /dev/hda3 FAT
extended partitions: /dev/hda4
Win95 (D:) /dev/hda5 FAT
DOS data (E:) /dev/hda6 FAT
Linux /dev/hda7 ext2
Linux swapfile /dev/hda8 swap
Make sure you put DOS, Win95, and Linux in boot manager's menu.
Use Linux fdisk to set the type on the Linux partitions
2. Boot, get OS/2 boot manager, select to boot DOS. It'll come up
as "system files not found" since there's nothing there, but it'll
set the DOS C: partition to active, and the Win95 C: partition to
inactive. That's all you want.
3. Install DOS. Since the DOS C: partition is active, it'll install
there. It'll also insist on formatting the D: and E: partitions
but you want to do that anyway. Install DOS.
4. DOS has deactivated boot manager and set itself to bootable, so
run DOS fdisk. Set the boot manager partition as the startup
partition. Reboot.
5. Boot manager comes up again. This time pick Win95. It'll give
the error about system files again since we haven't yet touched
the Win95 C: partition, but the DOS C: partition is now inactive
while the Win95 C: partition is active.
6. Install Win95. It'll disable boot manager as well. You'll have
to boot off floppy and run fdisk to set boot manager to startable
again.
7. Install Linux normally. Put LILO on the Linux partition (i.e.
/dev/hda7 in my case). When boot manager tries to boot Linux,
it'll find LILO there and run it, which will start up Linux.
(I did this step first, which caused some of the problems I've
described above. In generally, install the easiest things first
and the hardest things last. That way if you have to start over,
you don't have to do as much work. :)
So I now have a system which brings up OS/2's boot manager at startup.
I can pick DOS, Win95, or Linux and they all run without interfering
with each other (except the DOS/Win95 C: drives are not visible to each
other, no big deal).
I'll withdraw my statements about Win95 trashing my hard disk. Its
hostility towards other OSes certainly made it easier for me to lose
my data while repartitioning, but upon reflection I don't think it was
directly responsible.
Win95 has a slick interface, I'll give it that. The UI also seems
faster than OS/2's at certain critical points (disk management,
sounds, etc.). I still manage to crash it or put it in an unusable
state once every couple days, much more frequently than OS/2 or Linux,
but I consider it a vast improvement over Win3.1. Its "multitasking"
still stinks compared to OS/2 and Linux, but I got it so I could use
long-filenamed HTML documents with a 64k color web browser, and it
does that well. Given the vast amount of real estate it takes on my
hard disk and the improvments over Win3.1, I'm not sure I'll put
Win3.1 on my E: drive.
BTW, I was able to install Smartsuite CD from a friend's desktop via
a parallel laplink cable and Win95's networking. DOS's Interlink(?)
should also do the job.
Hardware is a TP701C DX4/75, 8MB RAM (going to 24 after I get my tax
refunds ;), 720MB hard disk. Does anyone know about putting a larger
hard drive in this baby?
Incidently, the crack in the lid has IMHO compromised the stiffness
of the lid, putting the LCD at risk if I put an uneven stress on it
(i.e. toss it in my backpack with a thick boot next to it). It's
going back for EZServ soon.
--
John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like
jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April." -- Bob Dole
jokim@tuna.mit.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word 'taxes'
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 17:02:23 -0500
From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar)
To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu, pamaga@biobase.dk
CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help!
Message-Id: <9604012202.AA00199@nile.gnat.com>
You can always install from a CD ROM as follows.
Make a DOS partition with enough space
COpy the disk images to this partition from DOS from the OS/2 CD ROM
Make a modified version of the installation diskettes pointing to
the diskette images (I forget exactly how this is done but it is
trivial, and the procedure is in the 760CD manual if someone has
one handy).
Then install in the normal way, the system will be installed from the
diskette images on your DOS partition.
This is how I installed on a 760CD, works like a charm, and it is handy
to have the diskette images around, since you can always reinstall if
you need to easily.
------------------------------
In-Reply-To: "John H. Kim" <jokim@tuna.mit.edu>
"Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad" (Apr 1, 4:49pm)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 19:25:17 -0500
From: "Vince Wayland" <wayland@baobab.nesc.epa.gov>
To: "John H. Kim" <jokim@tuna.mit.edu>, image@amanda.dorsai.org
CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad
Message-Id: <9604011925.ZM6337@baobab.nesc.epa.gov>
On Apr 1, 4:49pm, John H. Kim wrote:
> Subject: Re: Hard disk drives in Thinkpad
> On Mon, 1 Apr 1996 image@amanda.dorsai.org wrote:
>
> > do you know if it's possible to fit a 19mm into a 701 even without a
> > caddy? how bad is it to not have a caddy?
>
> The 701 takes a 12mm drive. I haven't taken the 701 caddy apart so
> I don't know how essential it is. Given the 701's drive slides in
> instead of popping down like the 75X, I'd think the caddy is required.
> --
> John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like
> jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April." -- Bob Dole
> jokim@tuna.mit.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word 'taxes'
>
>-- End of excerpt from John H. Kim
I don't think the connectors match up, do they? That was one of the points
about last years discussion in trying to find the adaptor from the drive
connector to the tp75x internal connector.
Vince
--
Vince Wayland Onsite at The National Environmental Supercomputer Center
(517)894-7671 for Cray Research, Inc.
veg@nesc.epa.gov NESC, 135 Washington Ave., Bay City, MI 48708
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 19:26:29 -0500
From: Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu (Gabriel Ash)
Reply-To: Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu (Gabriel Ash)
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: introduction
Message-Id: <199604020026.TAA08567@judgmentday.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Greeting to all,
I just bought a 701c, 720 HD, with 24Mb RAM. I reinstalled OS/2 Warp
blue as a single os on an HPFS partition.
I am very pleased with it. I would like to take the opportunity to
ask about some minor questions.
1) i have DOS applications that run in a text window. Is there a way
to force the window to open in a maximized way? I even used REXX to
set a MAXIMIZED proprety to the PM object, with no avail.
2 )does the SIO comm driver recognize correctly the hot changed
setting between [standAlone] and [MultiPort]?
Thanks to all readers
-------------
Gabriel Ash
Notre-Dame
-------------
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 19:32:21 -0500
From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar)
To: Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-Id: <9604020032.AA01202@nile.gnat.com>
" 1) i have DOS applications that run in a text window. Is there a way
to force the window to open in a maximized way? I even used REXX to
set a MAXIMIZED proprety to the PM object, with no avail."
Sure, just open up the progam object for the program, and go to the
seesion tab, and select DOS full screen
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 18:01:09 -0800
From: <silbersp@access.digex.net>
To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Unsubscribe
Message-Id: <199604020201.AA27832@relay.interserv.com>
Thanks,
I had fun. Pls take me off the list
Kathryn
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 18:01:39 -0800
From: <silbersp@access.digex.net>
To: tp750@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Unsubscribe
Message-Id: <199604020201.AA27856@relay.interserv.com>
Thanks,
I had fun. Pls take me off the list
Kathryn
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 23:24:36 -0500
From: Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu (Gabriel Ash)
Reply-To: Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu (Gabriel Ash)
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-Id: <199604020424.XAA14859@twins.rs.itd.umich.edu>
On Mon, 1 Apr 96 19:32:21 EST you wrote:
>" 1) i have DOS applications that run in a text window. Is there a
way
>to force the window to open in a maximized way? I even used REXX to
>set a MAXIMIZED proprety to the PM object, with no avail."
>
>Sure, just open up the progam object for the program, and go to the
>seesion tab, and select DOS full screen
>
>
I am sorry, I wasn't clear, I don't want a full screen session, I want
the application to open in a maximized window state (without scroll
bars windows.
-------------
Gabriel Ash
Notre-Dame
-------------
------------------------------
In-Reply-To: <199604020424.XAA14859@twins.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 23:40:54 -0500
From: "John H. Kim" <jokim@tuna.mit.edu>
To: Gabriel Ash <Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu>
CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960401233939.14778C-100000@tuna.mit.edu>
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Gabriel Ash wrote:
> I am sorry, I wasn't clear, I don't want a full screen session, I want
> the application to open in a maximized window state (without scroll
> bars windows. [in OS/2]
Hold down shift, resize the window until the scroll bars disappear.
Next time you start it, it'll remember this size.
--
John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like
jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April." -- Bob Dole
jokim@tuna.mit.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word 'taxes'
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 00:10:26 -0500
From: Barry A Starrfield <netanya@acpub.duke.edu>
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Any Mwave drivers for NT?
Message-Id: <3160B6C2.6314@acpub.duke.edu>
Hello,
Does anyone know when IBM will release Mwave drivers for Windows NT?
Fast!
Barry Starrfield
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 10:58:56 +0100
From: Alex Judd <ajudd@quantime.co.uk>
To: Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu (Gabriel Ash)
CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Full Screen DOS Applications
Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960402105641.2fbf3f42@tiree.quantime.co.uk>
> 1) i have DOS applications that run in a text window. Is there a way
>to force the window to open in a maximized way? I even used REXX to
>set a MAXIMIZED proprety to the PM object, with no avail.
We also have as yet been unable to find any way to alter the parameters of a
DOS session to automatically open full screen (without any previous user
intervention). We've tried everything from REXX to PIF parameters to MODE!
Alex
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 12:39:37 +0200
From: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich)
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help! (fwd)
Message-Id: <m0u43Uw-000dReC@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de>
How exactly did you modify the installation diskettes?
Thanks
Christoph Eyrich
---
eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de
>
> You can always install from a CD ROM as follows.
>
> Make a DOS partition with enough space
>
> COpy the disk images to this partition from DOS from the OS/2 CD ROM
>
> Make a modified version of the installation diskettes pointing to
> the diskette images (I forget exactly how this is done but it is
> trivial, and the procedure is in the 760CD manual if someone has
> one handy).
>
> Then install in the normal way, the system will be installed from the
> diskette images on your DOS partition.
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 06:36:16 -0500
From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar)
To: Gabriel.Ash.1@nd.edu, ajudd@quantime.co.uk
CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Full Screen DOS Applications
Message-Id: <9604021136.AA22623@nile.gnat.com>
Alex says
"We also have as yet been unable to find any way to alter the parameters of a
DOS session to automatically open full screen (without any previous user
intervention). We've tried everything from REXX to PIF parameters to MODE!"
Do you mean ful screen, or maximized. Both are easy, but the methods ar
quite different. For full screen, just set the appropriate box in the
session section of settings. For maximized, just make sure you use the
shift key, as described in a previous messsage.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 06:39:04 -0500
From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar)
To: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help! (fwd)
Message-Id: <9604021139.AA22648@nile.gnat.com>
"How exactly did you modify the installation diskettes?"
Sorry, I can't rmember, the procedure is in the 760CD manual, but I can't
find mine anywhere.
------------------------------
Date: 02 Apr 1996 08:02:16 -0500
From: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus <Bill_Abt/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
To: "John H. Kim" <jokim@tuna.mit.edu>
CC: thinkpad <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: Re: Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup
Message-Id: <9604021459.AA21096@internet1.lotus.com>
jokim @ tuna.mit.edu ("John H. Kim")
04-01-96 03:55 PM wrote:
>>Win95 has a slick interface, I'll give it that. The UI also seems
>>faster than OS/2's at certain critical points (disk management,
>>sounds, etc.). I still manage to crash it or put it in an unusable
>>state once every couple days, much more frequently than OS/2 or Linux,
>>but I consider it a vast improvement over Win3.1. Its "multitasking"
>>still stinks compared to OS/2 and Linux, but I got it so I could use
>>long-filenamed HTML documents with a 64k color web browser, and it
>>does that well. Given the vast amount of real estate it takes on my
>>hard disk and the improvments over Win3.1, I'm not sure I'll put
>>Win3.1 on my E: drive.
You said you got it (Wind95) so that you could use "long-filenamed HTML
documents with a 64k color web browser". OS/2's WebExplorer certainly
supports long filenamed HTML documents and you can get drivers for
the 701C that support 64k colors. Since you obviously prefer OS/2 over
Wind95 why not go back to it and get back the crash protection and
smooth multitasking. The next version (code-named Merlin) will have an
interface that is much slicker than Wind95 and has the underlying infra-
structure to support the interface properly.
-Bill
------------------------------
In-Reply-To: <9604021459.AA21092@internet1.lotus.com>
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 10:51:38 -0500
From: "John H. Kim" <jokim@tuna.mit.edu>
To: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus <Bill_Abt/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
CC: thinkpad <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: Re: Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960402101716.15886B-100000@tuna.mit.edu>
On 2 Apr 1996, Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> You said you got it (Wind95) so that you could use "long-filenamed HTML
> documents with a 64k color web browser". OS/2's WebExplorer certainly
> supports long filenamed HTML documents and you can get drivers for
> the 701C that support 64k colors. Since you obviously prefer OS/2 over
> Wind95 why not go back to it and get back the crash protection and
> smooth multitasking.
I thought I'd read somewhere that WebExplorer won't work in 16-bit color?
Also, I don't have an ethernet-capable version of OS/2 (The version I was
using before switching to Linux was a one-year DevCon license).
I do most of my work under Linux so Win95's poor multitasking isn't that
big a deal. To be honest, I've almost conceded that Microsoft is going to
keep their stranglehold on the PC market, and the only hope now is that
networked apps will make the operating system irrelevent, pulling the rug
out from underneath Microsoft's base. Did you see PC Week's recent review
of presentation apps for Win95? Only Microsoft's Win95 app was faster
than its Win3.1 predecessor. Everybody else's was slower. I wonder when
the Feds are going to wake up and see that a major app company controling
the OS is not a good thing. Ach, I'm rambling into politics...
Since you're at Lotus, I'll add that the group editing features in WordPro
are REALLY slick! Great job. When is Merlin coming out? I'm more than
willing to take a look at it to run Smartsuite.
--
John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like
jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April." -- Bob Dole
jokim@tuna.mit.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word 'taxes'
------------------------------
In-Reply-To: <9604021139.AA22648@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Apr 2,
96 06:39:04 am
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 18:17:59 +0200
From: Paulo Magalhaes <pamaga@biobase.dk>
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Panasonic CDROM: Help!
Message-Id: <9604021617.AA10601@biobase.dk>
If some kind soul with a 760 manual handy could post the instructions for
modifying the installation disks, I'm sure at least a couple of us would be
very grateful. Thanks.
--
Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA
voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu
------------------------------
Date: 02 Apr 1996 12:04:52 -0500
From: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus <Bill_Abt/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
To: "John H. Kim" <jokim@tuna.mit.edu>
CC: thinkpad <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: Re: Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup
Message-Id: <9604021611.AA23785@internet1.lotus.com>
Merlin is due out sometime mid-year .... The beta is due sometime this month
... WordPro beta for OS/2 is just about ready to go. Freelance isn't far
behind.
As far as WebExplorer and 16-bit color, 1.03 is the version I run and it runs
fine. Also on the WebExplorer Home Page is a version that has Java support
as
well ( http://www.raleigh.ibm.com/WebExplorer/webhome.htm )
-Bill
jokim @ tuna.mit.edu ("John H. Kim")
04-02-96 09:51 AM
To: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus
cc: thinkpad @ cs.utk.edu @ INTERNET
Subject: Re: Linux/DOS/Win95 coexisting on 701C followup
On 2 Apr 1996, Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus wrote:
> You said you got it (Wind95) so that you could use "long-filenamed HTML
> documents with a 64k color web browser". OS/2's WebExplorer certainly
> supports long filenamed HTML documents and you can get drivers for
> the 701C that support 64k colors. Since you obviously prefer OS/2 over
> Wind95 why not go back to it and get back the crash protection and
> smooth multitasking.
I thought I'd read somewhere that WebExplorer won't work in 16-bit color?
Also, I don't have an ethernet-capable version of OS/2 (The version I was
using before switching to Linux was a one-year DevCon license).
I do most of my work under Linux so Win95's poor multitasking isn't that
big a deal. To be honest, I've almost conceded that Microsoft is going to
keep their stranglehold on the PC market, and the only hope now is that
networked apps will make the operating system irrelevent, pulling the rug
out from underneath Microsoft's base. Did you see PC Week's recent review
of presentation apps for Win95? Only Microsoft's Win95 app was faster
than its Win3.1 predecessor. Everybody else's was slower. I wonder when
the Feds are going to wake up and see that a major app company controling
the OS is not a good thing. Ach, I'm rambling into politics...
Since you're at Lotus, I'll add that the group editing features in WordPro
are REALLY slick! Great job. When is Merlin coming out? I'm more than
willing to take a look at it to run Smartsuite.
--
John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like
jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April." -- Bob Dole
jokim@tuna.mit.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word 'taxes'
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 10:24:14 -0600
From: Dennis Pantazis <pantazis@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu>
To: thinkpad <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: Optimize memory on 701 & QEMM?
Message-Id: <Pine.A32.3.91.960402100800.219218D-100000@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu>
I finally got all the garbage off of my TP701, upgraded the BIOS, and got
the Dos/WFW stuff the way I wanted it, and I also changed some of the port
assignments around: Modem on COM2 (IRQ3), IrDA on COM1(4), Floppy on
Pll- 1(7), Audio (10), got my desktop cnfigured to work with a modem and
the JetEye IrDA, everything worked, played around with the modem, IrDA,
transfered some files, cool!
Then I tried to install QEMM to optimize my memory, it went through pretty
good, except that it started out with like 7x10E18 combinations, and I
waited for it to drop to about 7x10E15 (15 minutes)and selected the
already maximized configuration, No I do not exagerate the magnatude of
the numbers,
After QEMM finished, I got back up to 629 K under 640, everyhting seemed
prety good. WRONG! After reboot, none of the ports worked right, no
floppy, no Ir, no nothing, programs seem to work ok, but all periferals
seem out of kilter.
How should one optimize the memory on a 701? What have people done to
otimizr the first 640k?
TIA
Dennis
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dennis Pantazis My opinions are my own, and can not
<pantazis@uiuc.edu> be interpreted as extensions of the
Graduate Student in Civil Engineering University's official policies.
University of Illinois-Urbana
(the Extended Tour of Duty continues)
You can see us at http://students.uiuc.edu/~pantazis !!!!!
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Date: 02 Apr 1996 12:03:34 -0400
From: Michael Verne/VENTANA <Michael_Verne/VENTANA.ITP@lgate.vmedia.com>
To: tp750 <tp750@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: Re: Optimize memory on 701 & QEMM?
Message-Id: <9604022000.AA6223@lgate.vmedia.com>
"...I tried to install QEMM to optimize my memory, it went through pretty
good, except that it started out with like 7x10E18 combinations, and I
waited for it to drop to about 7x10E15 (15 minutes)and selected the
already maximized configuration, No I do not exagerate the magnatude of
the numbers,...
...How should one optimize the memory on a 701? What have people done to
otimizr the first 640k?..."
~~~~~
i like ramdoubler. it's by connectix & it takes all of 20 seconds to install
in windows. it's for windows only, so it won't do your dos apps any good.
also, it doesn't use the 'stealthing' of umb's that qemm uses, but the end
result is that i'll run out of applications to open before i run out of
memory
to open them in. also, it only costs about $50.
when i ran qemm, i looked at the combinations it was working on & calculated
that, if i let it run it's course, it would take 37 days to complete.
Michael J. Verne
michael_verne@vmedia.com
Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group
http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/
Saying Yahoo or Lycos is your favorite [web] site is like saying the Yellow
Pages is your favorite book.
--John Dvorak, PC Computing: March '96
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