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Today's topics:
Re: IdDA & TP701 Success (Chris Osborn)
Re: IdDA & TP701 Success (Dennis Pantazis)
Re: tp hdd-to-ide caddies-- GOTEM!! (Michael Verne/VENTANA)
Re: introduction (Randy Whittle)
Linux on thinkpads (Sam King)
Re: IdDA & TP701 Success (John H. Kim)
TP 760CD Opinions? (Dane Tyson)
Memory for sale (Bill Bryan)
subscribe (Elvin Tan)
Re: Thinkpad 701 advice (Randy Whittle)
Re: Thinkpad 701 advice (Robert Dewar)
Re: TP 760CD Opinions? (Alden S Klovdahl)
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 09:20:29 -0800
From: "Chris Osborn" <fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us>
To: "John D. Griffith" <griffith@kodak.com>
CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: IdDA & TP701 Success
Message-Id: <Mynah_0.8bx_m68k.316404dd_000038fa@nvcc.nvc.cc.ca.us>
On Apr. 04 96, 07:52 PST, "John D. Griffith" <griffith@kodak.com>
> Do these irDa devices require special drivers to operate or are
> they simply hardware devices that would work with any program
> (e.g. kermit) that talks politely with the serial port under NT??
The JetEye that I have just connects to the serial port and translates
serial data to/from IrDA. It only communicates at 115200, so unless
your software (and serial port) can do that, you won't be able to
use it.
But it doesn't require any special drivers to use the device. I
have mine connected to my Mac, and I've been able to communicate
between my ThinkPad and my Mac (not useful, but it was the only
desktop I had that could do 115200).
---
Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130
Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063
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In-Reply-To: <199604041547.AA24586@kodakr.kodak.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 11:31:12 -0600
From: Dennis Pantazis <pantazis@students.uiuc.edu>
To: "John D. Griffith" <griffith@kodak.com>
CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: IdDA & TP701 Success
Message-Id: <Pine.A32.3.91.960404112438.76672C-100000@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu>
On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, John D. Griffith wrote:
> I would like to buy one of these things for my desktop machine at
> work and use it to transfer files to my thinkpad 701. However, the
> problem is that I'm running Windows NT on my desktop machine
> machine and a lot of communication software doesn't work under NT.
> For example, Laplink doesn't work under NT (at least over a parallel
> cable).
If LapLink works with a serial link then I susspect that it would work
with the IrDA adaptor. I thought someone made a program like LapLink or
TranXit for NT.
>
> Do these irDa devices require special drivers to operate or are they
> simply hardware devices that would work with any program (e.g.
> kermit) that talks politely with the serial port under NT??
>
The adaptor does not need any drivers, it connects up to the serial port
and acts as an extension of it. 1 meter range using the power supplied
to serial port. It must be suported in the traqnsfer program like Laplink.
> Currently, to transfer files, I reboot from NT to DOS and run
> laplink. This is quite inconvenient as I often have lengthy
> optimization calculations running on the NT machine.
>
Why not just use a terminal or modem program and send z modem from one to
the other over a null modem cable?
> I contacted two vendors of these devices trying to get an answer to
> this question, but I was unable to penetrate the sales/marketing
> barrier. I'd appreciate any information that anybody has.
>
Extended System are at www.extendsys,com or at 1-800-235-7576
NOTE:I am in no way related or affiliated to this company, I only like their
product.
Dennis
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Dennis Pantazis My opinions are my own, and can not
<pantazis@uiuc.edu> be interpreted as extensions of the
Graduate Student in Civil Engineering University's official policies,
University of Illinois-Urbana until they decide my opinion's are
(the Extended Tour of Duty continues) worth money to the institution!!!
You can see us at http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~pantazis !!!!!
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Date: 04 Apr 1996 16:24:20 -0400
From: Michael Verne/VENTANA <Michael_Verne/VENTANA.ITP@lgate.vmedia.com>
To: tp750 <tp750@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: Re: tp hdd-to-ide caddies-- GOTEM!!
Message-Id: <9604050028.AA9972@lgate.vmedia.com>
$25 each. call erik kurtz at small systems inc. in rtp, nc. he'll charge
you
for shipping, but he can get as many as you need. 919/932-7884 x22. as soon
as the machine answers, hit 22. this is the internal ide caddy.
he also sells removable hdd bays. they're key operated caddies that you
could
put any ide hdd into, including the $25 tp caddy. they sell for $80 & he
also
has them for internal scsi drives (same price). they're built for raid
systems, but i've found them to be great for development and testing.
Michael J. Verne
michael_verne@vmedia.com
Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group
http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/
Saying Yahoo or Lycos is your favorite [web] site is like saying the Yellow
Pages is your favorite book.
--John Dvorak, PC Computing: March '96
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 17:22:57 -0800
From: whittle@usc.edu (Randy Whittle)
To: skat@pacific.net.sg (Sam King ), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-Id: <v01530503ad8a2619cf7b@[128.125.222.141]>
At 7:49 PM 4/4/96, Sam King wrote:
>I was wondering, however, if any of you have this problem:
>
>It seems that my screen experiences color distortions. Some colors in a
>pallette tend to go 'bad' sometimes, rather intermittently. My friend who
>has the same machine but with an older version of the BIOS never had this
>problem, but after he flashed to 3O, he did. Flashing to 3O, needless to
>say, did not correct the problem for me, either.
Doesn't happen on mine. But then again, I'm still using version
"n" of the BIOS.
-----
Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle
USC Graduate School of Business
Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?"
The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle
interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male
psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'.
- Dave Barry, October 2, 1994
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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 10:27:31 +0800
From: skat@pacific.net.sg (Sam King )
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Linux on thinkpads
Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960405022731.0069e964@pacific.net.sg>
>i'm going to put linux on a spare hdd to test it on my 755cd. i'm sure it's
>tricky & i don't want to bog this list down with every snag i run into.
does
>anyone know of a source of all or most of the instructions for doing this?
>something like the 'thinkpad win95 page,' which worked wonders for me,
would be
>perfect.
>
>i'll be doing the nt workstation next, so if you've got that too, i'd
>appreciate it.
>
as it so happens, there is a URL called Linux on the IBM thinkpads, at this
address:
http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html
it's probably available elsewhere, too.
hope that helps
sam
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In-Reply-To: <Pine.A32.3.91.960404112438.76672C-100000@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 21:49:34 -0500
From: "John H. Kim" <jokim@tuna.mit.edu>
To: Dennis Pantazis <pantazis@students.uiuc.edu>
CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: IdDA & TP701 Success
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960404214455.20887A-100000@tuna.mit.edu>
On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, Dennis Pantazis wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, John D. Griffith wrote:
> > Do these irDa devices require special drivers to operate or are they
>
> The adaptor does not need any drivers, it connects up to the serial port
> and acts as an extension of it. 1 meter range using the power supplied
> to serial port. It must be suported in the traqnsfer program like Laplink.
>
> > Currently, to transfer files, I reboot from NT to DOS and run
> > laplink. This is quite inconvenient as I often have lengthy
> > optimization calculations running on the NT machine.
>
> Why not just use a terminal or modem program and send z modem from one to
> the other over a null modem cable?
The IRDA looks just like a null modem cable. You can use a terminal
program with it. You're not limited to Laplink and its ilk. In fact,
you're better off testing if it works with a terminal program. That
way even if all your settings aren't right, you'll probably still see
something to indicate it's working.
I tried my JetEye on my TP750 with the IR on my 701 and it didn't
work. It works fine with desktop systems, so I suspect the 750's
serial port doesn't put out enough power to operate it.
Does anyone have the external power supply for the JetEye? The
power connector looks like it takes a DC current, but is nonstandard.
Anyone know how many volts/amps it takes?
--
John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like
jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April." -- Bob Dole
jokim@tuna.mit.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word 'taxes'
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 22:35:00 -0600
From: Dane Tyson <runngdog@mcs.com>
To: thinkpad <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: TP 760CD Opinions?
Message-Id: <m0u53FD-000BV8C@mailbox.mcs.com>
Now that the 760CD has been in the market for several months, I would be
very interested in opinions on this machine from some experienced users.
I had an order in with my dealer for a 120 MHz 760CD, but I had also
expressed an interest in the Toshiba Tecra 700 CT, especially after I had
heard about thedifficulities early 760 users were having running Windows '95
(which I use) on their machines. TheTecra became available first, and I
have been "testing" it over the past 3 weeks under my dealer's 30-day money
back (with no restocking charge) guarantee policy. The Tecra performs well,
has a gorgeous screen, and overall a very solid feel. In short, I'm quite
satisfied with the computer and have no complaints at all.. Furthermore,
although this will be a company-owned machine, it's hard for me to just
ignore what has become (since Toshiba's recently announced price cuts) a
significant price difference between the two machines (PCs Compleat sells
the 120 MHz Tecra with 16 Mb RAM, an optional 4x CD-ROM drive, PCMCIA
data/fax modem, and a 1.2 Gb HD for $5,600 vs. over $7000 for a similarly
equipped 760.
I have until Monday to decide whether to keep the Tecra or return it to the
dealer and join the queue waiting for the 760. In the meantime, I would
welcome reviews, opinions, comments on the 760 from experienced users,
especially from anyone who might have used both the 760 and the Tecra and
can do a more direct comparison.
Thanks in advance for your comments.
Regards,
Dane Tyson
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 23:59:06 -0500
From: Bill Bryan <billb@rust.net>
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Memory for sale
Message-Id: <199604050459.XAA13577@Fe3.rust.net>
Well my Visiontek memory buy back program turned out to be a joke.
An 8 meg sim for a IBM 701C, made by Visiontek, which I had paid almost, if
not, $400 back in mid november, Visiontek wants to offer me $40. Boy that's
what I call a buy back program, and it was only driven on the weekends.
So lets bottom line this, I have one 8 meg sim for a 701 for sale.
Operators are on duty now to read your requests...
B/B
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb
Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions
three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 20:25:56 -0800
From: "Elvin Tan" <elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg>
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To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: subscribe
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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 07:09:26 -0800
From: whittle@usc.edu (Randy Whittle)
To: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701 advice
Message-Id: <v01530501ad8ae68d5b1f@[128.125.222.141]>
At 9:48 AM 4/4/96, Christoph Eyrich wrote:
>The size of the 701 is a very convincing factor!
No kidding! I have the little leather "portfolio" cover for mine
and the colleague that sits next to me always thought it was a daily
planner until I opened it up.
>But: don't take the DualScan model. I haven't seen the TFT one yet but
>compared to the TFT of the 755CX and even to the mono of the old 720
>it's pretty disappointing (the old mono with its 16 gray shades is
>much sharper...).
Can't comment on the Dual Scan, but my TFT has a very nice, sharp
screen. Quite a bit better than the 750C I had.
-----
Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle
USC Graduate School of Business
Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?"
The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle
interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male
psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'.
- Dave Barry, October 2, 1994
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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 10:19:25 -0500
From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar)
To: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, whittle@usc.edu
Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701 advice
Message-Id: <9604051519.AA23439@nile.gnat.com>
" Can't comment on the Dual Scan, but my TFT has a very nice, sharp
screen. Quite a bit better than the 750C I had."
That's interesting, can others comment? The 701 screen looked dimmer to
me than the 750C screen ...
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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 02:31:27 +1000
From: Alden S Klovdahl <Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au>
To: Dane Tyson <runngdog@mcs.com>
CC: thinkpad <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: Re: TP 760CD Opinions?
Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960406021554.16262A-100000@leonard.anu.edu.au>
personally, i don't think it is a good time to buy.
1. toshiba seems to have moved back to the front (where it pretty much
was before being displaced by thinkpads). the toshiba i had before my
tp755ce as generally a good machine, and when i did have problems the
international warrenty service was very good.
only thing i would be concerned about in buying another toshiba is
compatibility - they seemed to use proprietary stuff more than others,
which could create problems - if that is still the case - if you wanted
to install linux, for example.
2. as for a tp760, i had one on order (760cd) but ibm could not supply
one before a planned period overseas (i am in washington d.c. at the
moment), so i dropped the order. i really wasn't that keen on the 760cd,
but at the time though i had to spend some funds before the end of
february or risk losing them. when it turned out that wasnt the case, i
was not sad to have missed getting a 760cd.
as it turned out, when i got to the states in early feb and caught up on
my reading of the trade papers, all indicators seemed to point to the
desireability of postponing purchase. ibm should have some new products
shortly, which maybe why they are not in a rush to provide 760's (and end
up with lots of disgrunglted customers). specifically, ibm is way behind
in putting out a machine with a PCI bus, relative to toshiba et al, and
in theory a pci bus should give one the cabability of using a graphics
accelorator card (eg matrox with its glint chip) in a docking station,
for the beginning of *real* graphics at the notebook level. thus, a
notebook that is finally the equivalent of a desktop machine.
also, they and others are due out with a low/small form factor model(s)
shortly.
frankly, i am going to try to put off purchase until november, though i
would think by july if not sooner you should be able to get a much better
machine from ibm (and, if not, from toshiba).
regards, al
Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25
Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia
0200
On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, Dane Tyson wrote:
> Now that the 760CD has been in the market for several months, I would be
> very interested in opinions on this machine from some experienced users.
>
> I had an order in with my dealer for a 120 MHz 760CD, but I had also
> expressed an interest in the Toshiba Tecra 700 CT, especially after I had
> heard about thedifficulities early 760 users were having running Windows
'95
> (which I use) on their machines. TheTecra became available first, and I
> have been "testing" it over the past 3 weeks under my dealer's 30-day money
> back (with no restocking charge) guarantee policy. The Tecra performs
well,
> has a gorgeous screen, and overall a very solid feel. In short, I'm quite
> satisfied with the computer and have no complaints at all.. Furthermore,
> although this will be a company-owned machine, it's hard for me to just
> ignore what has become (since Toshiba's recently announced price cuts) a
> significant price difference between the two machines (PCs Compleat sells
> the 120 MHz Tecra with 16 Mb RAM, an optional 4x CD-ROM drive, PCMCIA
> data/fax modem, and a 1.2 Gb HD for $5,600 vs. over $7000 for a similarly
> equipped 760.
>
> I have until Monday to decide whether to keep the Tecra or return it to the
> dealer and join the queue waiting for the 760. In the meantime, I would
> welcome reviews, opinions, comments on the 760 from experienced users,
> especially from anyone who might have used both the 760 and the Tecra and
> can do a more direct comparison.
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>
> Regards,
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